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Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501663#msg501663
« on: May 21, 2012, 03:01:43 am »
NAME:
Mother Bear
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
7 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
5 | 5
TEXT:
Anger: Every time your opponent kills one of your creatures, Mother Bear attacks one more time
NAME:
Mother Bear
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
7 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
6 | 6
TEXT:
Anger: Every time your opponent kills one of your creatures, Mother Bear attacks one more time

ART:

IDEA:
OTL
NOTES:
Just a bit of anti-CC (since it seems to have problems there) for Life

Mother Bear will attack one more time per death for that turn only. Also, the extra attacks the bear makes does not come under adrenaline, so a bear with 6 extra attacks would hit for 753777777 instead of an OTKO. Hope this clarifies any balance doubts
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« Last Edit: May 22, 2012, 03:41:54 pm by OTL »

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501664#msg501664
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2012, 03:02:40 am »
If the deaths stack, this is OP.

However, if it stored deaths from the last turn...  Hm...

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501720#msg501720
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2012, 04:55:35 am »
Couldn't this make for a possibly OP combo w/ ball lightnings?

18 Life towers
6 Ball Lightnings
6 of these
Life mark

Wouldn't make for too bad a deck.
« Last Edit: May 21, 2012, 05:03:04 am by NonexistentFlower »
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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501768#msg501768
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2012, 09:22:55 am »
If the deaths stack, this is OP.

However, if it stored deaths from the last turn...  Hm...

Not sure what you mean here, what happens is:

Turn X: You play mother bear + 4 frogs
Opponent's Turn X: He plays rain of fire, kills all 4 frogs
Turn X+1: You play another frog, mother bear attacks 5 times
Opponent's turn X+1: Opponent does not kill frog
Turn X+2: Mother Bear attacks once

Couldn't this make for a possibly OP combo w/ ball lightnings?

18 Life towers
6 Ball Lightnings
6 of these
Life mark

Wouldn't make for too bad a deck.

There are faster rush decks out there, even mono (USEM seems like it would outspeed this)

But upon second glance, this looks OP now. I'm thinking of dropping the stats to 4/5|5/6, since right now I'm valuing the ability at 1, which definitely seems too little. Thoughts?

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501774#msg501774
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2012, 10:17:28 am »
"...one more time per death on its next attack"

Wouldn't ATK buffers make this quite a big creature?
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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501776#msg501776
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2012, 10:22:54 am »
What's wrong with limiting the extra attacks per turn?
Decreasing its attack won't harm its OP combos (*cough*fractalBL*cough) as much as it harms its normal interaction with cards

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501779#msg501779
« Reply #6 on: May 21, 2012, 10:38:07 am »
What's wrong with limiting the extra attacks per turn?

I dunno, I feel that as it is right now, this card also serves as anti-mass CC, which life could also use (since stuff like empathetic bonds really need you to mass out creatures).

I could change it such that the boost is only received if the opponent kills the creature, although I'm not sure how hard it is to code


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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501782#msg501782
« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2012, 10:47:23 am »
...I'm not sure how hard it is to code

Depends on the way elements is coded. I believe this'd only require checking for which turn it is.

What about indirect killing (e.g. poison)?
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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501974#msg501974
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2012, 08:18:13 pm »
...I'm not sure how hard it is to code

Depends on the way elements is coded. I believe this'd only require checking for which turn it is.

What about indirect killing (e.g. poison)?
Since the wording says "dies" I would assume poison related deaths would be included as a fate accompli... I know it might be hard to fit the wording in, but maybe using "If a creature on your side is killed" rather than "If a creature on your side dies" to avoid being OP with fractal spark
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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg501995#msg501995
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2012, 09:01:26 pm »
seems OP unless you say dies "from an oppenents spell or ability". otherwise its just this, ball lightning, and fractal FTW.

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502081#msg502081
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2012, 12:13:12 am »
Updated

  • Played around with the wording slightly, to prevent BL combos. As it is though, it leaves out a few other balanced combos, so still need to find better wording :(
  • Stats nerfed slightly, just to be on the safe side

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Re: Mother Bear | Mother Bear https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40504.msg502083#msg502083
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2012, 12:14:42 am »
I suggest making it only be for when the opponent kills your creature.
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