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The Gricean Maxims of Online Chat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38409.msg478678#msg478678
« on: April 10, 2012, 04:52:37 am »
Gricean Maxims, perhaps better known as the Cooperative Principle is an almost inherently logical principle in linguistics used as a guide for socially acceptable conversation.

While the points themselves appear to be almost logical, at times it is useful to remind ourselves of what the behaviours of a cooperative member in a conversation are. If I ask what time it is, it may not be as useful for me if you tell me that it is time for your appointment, assuming that I do not know the time of your appointment.

Cooperative behaviours such as the one that was absent in the previous example are almost subconscious parts of our day to day conversation and yet it is in being reminded of what they are that we obtain a deeper and richer understanding of the behaviours we unconsciously display.

While normally these points are held in the context of spoken conversation, they hold quite well in the online environment as well.


Grice's Maxims

Maxim of Quality
Do not say what you believe to be false.
Do not say that for which you lack adequate evidence.

Maxim of Quantity
Don't tell a huge story of your life if asked how your dog is.
Make your contribution as informative as is required (for the current purposes of the exchange).
Do not make your contribution more informative than is required.

Maxim of Relevance
Be relevant.
With respect to this maxim, Grice writes, "Though the maxim itself is terse, its formulation conceals a number of problems that exercise me a good deal: questions about what different kinds and focuses of relevance there may be, how these shift in the course of a talk exchange, how to allow for the fact that subjects of conversations are legitimately changed, and so on. I find the treatment of such questions exceedingly difficult, and I hope to revert to them in later work." (Grice 1989:27)

Maxim of Manner
Be Clear
Avoid obscurity of expression.
Avoid ambiguity.
Be brief (avoid unnecessary prolixity).
Be orderly.


Though the deviance of some of the Gricean Maxims may be seen as humourous in some contexts, in the case of online chats there are cases where it may simply be seen as grounds for the dreaded ban. While humour can be great in certain contexts, it is simply sometimes best to avoid the risk of a negative consequence.

Through the adherence of the Gricean Maxims on Online Chat we can be one big, communicative, happy family. Everyone has great things to say, make sure you know how to say them!
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Re: The Gricean Maxims of Online Chat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38409.msg478680#msg478680
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 04:59:21 am »
Concise and accurate. Unfortunately, the people that would most benefit from this, wouldn't understand or absorb it.  Heh.
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Re: The Gricean Maxims of Online Chat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38409.msg481633#msg481633
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2012, 07:21:17 pm »
My main problem with this is the following : by following those rules, you lose a lot. Sarcasm, irony, healthy trolling are lost. Also, the random burst of insanity that make the chat such a lively and fun place to be at times simply would die. The only case where it would have use would be to stop unhealthy amount of those. Sadly, people who would apply those rules rarely if ever are the ones concerned by this case.

Also, you seem to have forgotten warnings. People who do not know the limit between fun and unhealthy amounts are rarely banned, more warned. This way, they learn about this boundary, and mature.
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Re: The Gricean Maxims of Online Chat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38409.msg481634#msg481634
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2012, 07:33:56 pm »
My main problem with this is the following : by following those rules, you lose a lot. Sarcasm, irony, healthy trolling are lost. Also, the random burst of insanity that make the chat such a lively and fun place to be at times simply would die.
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Re: The Gricean Maxims of Online Chat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38409.msg481655#msg481655
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2012, 08:11:20 pm »
Concise and accurate. Unfortunately, the people that would most benefit from this, wouldn't understand or absorb it.  Heh.

My main problem with this is the following : by following those rules, you lose a lot. Sarcasm, irony, healthy trolling are lost. Also, the random burst of insanity that make the chat such a lively and fun place to be at times simply would die.
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Re: The Gricean Maxims of Online Chat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=38409.msg481891#msg481891
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2012, 02:28:41 am »
Keep in mind this thread was not necessarily meant for those who are capable of humourous trolling and who can utilize sarcasm considering the feelings of the other party.

If you are redirected to this thread it's not because you're witty or sarcastic, it's because there's an evident deficiency in your communicative abilities in chat; you haven't figured something out yet.

EDIT: While also true that warnings and bans are helpful to the chat room, you're not necessarily helping the people that need it. Banning is a way to keep the rest of the chat community content and keeping the flow of conversation healthy, however it's sometimes beneficial to think of those that can't work well in a chat room as those that need help. This thread focuses on that perspective, it does not simply ignore the problem.
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