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NAME:
Flaming Column
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Alternates between generating :fire :fire :fire and draining :fire :fire each turn.
NAME:
Flaming Spire
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Alternates between generating :fire :fire :fire :fire and draining :fire :fire each turn.
ART:
Provided by zanzarino (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10073.0.html)
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
Simple idea that generates more quantum than the average pillar but drains it back the next turn to compensate, requiring you to make the most of the quantum you get during the turn.

There is 1 Column | Spire for each element that generates and drains quantum of its element type. A Quantum Column would theoretically generate 9 | 12 random quanta and drain 6 random quanta back the next turn.

Like pillars, you may have an unlimited amount of Columns/Spires in your deck. They stack and are affected by Earthquake.

Columns and Spires do not destroy themselves if there is no quanta left to drain.
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NAME:
Flaming Column
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Alternates between generating :fire :fire and draining :fire :fire each turn.
NAME:
Flaming Spire
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Alternates between generating :fire :fire :fire and draining :fire :fire each turn.
ART:
Provided by zanzarino (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10073.0.html)
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
Simple idea that generates more quantum than the average pillar but drains it back the next turn to compensate, requiring you to make the most of the quantum you get during the turn.

There is 1 Column | Spire for each element that generates and drains quantum of its element type. A Quantum Column would theoretically generate 6 | 9 random quanta and drain 6 random quanta back the next turn.

Like pillars, you may have an unlimited amount of Columns/Spires in your deck. They stack and are affected by Earthquake.
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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472803#msg472803
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2012, 12:18:32 am »
cool! the perfect quanta generator for those decks that either rely on first turn quanta bursts, or decks that rely on specific amounts of quanta on the next turn

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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472808#msg472808
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2012, 12:25:13 am »
Cool card! Does it stack?
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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472810#msg472810
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2012, 12:28:14 am »
Cool card! Does it stack?
that and can you have more than 6 copies of this in your deck?

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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472815#msg472815
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2012, 12:38:17 am »
Cool card! Does it stack?
Cool card! Does it stack?
that and can you have more than 6 copies of this in your deck?
I was unsure about this at first, but considering Column | Spire output is worse in the long run in comparison to a Pillar | Tower, it seems fair to let them be treated similarly. (In other words they have no limit in a deck and stack, but are vulnerable to Earthquake.)

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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472826#msg472826
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2012, 12:50:00 am »
Cool idea. Seems more like a water card, though (tides or something) and Fire already has an alternate quanta engine.

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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472832#msg472832
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2012, 01:14:23 am »
Cool idea. Seems more like a water card, though (tides or something) and Fire already has an alternate quanta engine.
I think there's supposed to be one for each element + possibly a Quantum one, and the Fire one is just an example.

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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472844#msg472844
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2012, 02:00:00 am »
Don't know what to say, other than "Brilliant idea !"

But what if you replace all regular pillars with this ? You can simply play a lot of cards in one single turn, while currently with pillars, you can only play the same amount of cards over two turns.

Will this make it a bit OP if those cards are constant damage output (aka creatures/weapons) ? Early damage source --> faster win

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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472858#msg472858
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2012, 02:52:28 am »
Don't know what to say, other than "Brilliant idea !"

But what if you replace all regular pillars with this ? You can simply play a lot of cards in one single turn, while currently with pillars, you can only play the same amount of cards over two turns.

Will this make it a bit OP if those cards are constant damage output (aka creatures/weapons) ? Early damage source --> faster win
It would be stronger in certain situations than pillars but not OP - pillars are more steady and flexible and would still see a lot of use in decks.

Columns have a net 0 benefit (+2,-2) vs. Pillars which have a net 1 benefit (+1,+1).
As a result, more consistent production of pillars makes it easier to operate more steady decks - quantum is always available when needed.
Columns on the other hand are more "burst" like in production and force a player to use quantum immediately on a specific turn or risk losing it when they end their turn. Columns have a greater instant benefit but it comes with limited flexibility and can potentially slow a rush if it is the sole quantum producer of the deck (seeing as how your pool only is viable every other turn and doesn't increase except for your mark)

Spires get a net 1 benefit (+3,-2), making them more flexible in a pillar fashion but it it likely that any unused quanta will be drained at the end of the turn and you must wait for the end of your next turn to 'restock' your quantum pool. They also lack the initial speed benefit of Towers (which give a deck the potential to play cards on turn 1).

Spire limitations should compensate for their "burst"-like production - Pillars and Towers steady production is still going to be valued in many decks (such as Life Rush), while this card could buff less viable strategies (Likely ones that require certain quantum in certain stages of the game, or duos/trios/quartets where one of the elements plays a minor role, is only present in a few select cards, or will all be consumed in 1 turn through cards like Wyrm or Lycan), provides indirect quanta protection (drain protects from BH, Discord, and Pest lockdown at the cost of limiting production),  and introduce new deck types such as a "medium-speed"/"speed control" mono stall that uses its slow playstyle to work with slow quantum generation , or a "shotgun rush" deck that relies on the greater initial advantage (after turn 1-2) to unleash bursts of creatures to deal damage (such decks may have trouble handling permanents or excessive damage from the opponent though given that they cannot convieniently use PC or heal when they want.)

And thanks for liking the idea. :)

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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472864#msg472864
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Interaction with Sanctuary?
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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472867#msg472867
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2012, 03:20:15 am »
Interaction with Sanctuary?
Sanctuary does not prevent quantum drain during your turn. (Similar to how Fractal drains all quanta even if you have Sanctuary out.)

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Re: Elemental Column | Elemental Spire https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37636.msg472885#msg472885
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2012, 04:44:37 am »
Does it become destroyed if the quanta cannot be drained?

I think +3/-2 for the unupped and +4/-2 would be balanced for an average of +.5 and +1 quanta.

 

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