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Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg451329#msg451329
« on: January 22, 2012, 02:08:58 am »
NAME:
Eldritch Horror
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
5 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
All enemy creatures gain
 -1 | -1 for each creature of a different element on their field.
NAME:
Avatar of Prejudice
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
All enemy creatures gain
 -1 | -1 for each creature of a different element on their field.

ART:
vrt for Foil Chimera art. Edited by Zblader
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed.
- Buddha


And yet they fear. They fear my existence, scheming for the end. The fear my knowledge of them and their weaknesses. They fear everything about me, for I am different.
So what if I created a beast out of their same fears of difference?
Of war, created by different views?
Of death, coming at different times?
Of lies, the creation of different false stories?
This, foolish Elemental, is the result of that same fear inside you.

- The Usurper, before landing the finishing blow with his Avatars of Prejudice


A spinoff idea based off of Cholera | Miasma. Unlike it's death counterpart, it weakens creatures through their fears of being different and not 'fitting in' with the group.

If the creatures are in like minded 'groups' (Elements), their resolve is much stronger and they don't lose morale. As a result, the two cards work on opposite themes : Cholera breaks down similar (mono/duo) groups through physical disease, while the Avatar breaks down different groups (trios/quartets/rainbows) through mental insecurity.

Also partially inspired by the Usurper's Dark Chimera.

Effect stacks, but cannot put stats below one.

Want to find out more about the Forum NPC known as the Usurper? You can find his appearances here:
The Usurper By Essence - Debut Appearance, along with Mythic Blade and Dark Chimera(Part of the inspiration for this card). He had a sidekick called Seraph that Akebono ran over with an Armedigillo and is relatively silent for most of the game, letting Seraph do most of the talking.
Fanatics and Heretics 2 - Establishes himself as the sworn enemy of the mysterious High Priestess Rozinanza. He claims souls taste like chicken.
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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg451363#msg451363
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2012, 04:00:22 am »
Love it. Love the theme, love the mechanic, put it in the game
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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg451630#msg451630
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2012, 09:49:32 pm »
Love it. Love the theme, love the mechanic, put it in the game!!!!!!!
+rep to you Z, for such a great idea.
Also love the art. I feel this would be a great help in the arena, with SO MANY RAINBOWS. Interesting to see how much it would change pvp.
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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg451641#msg451641
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2012, 10:21:20 pm »
Another weapon to add to Devtal's arsenal; Higu rejoices.

As long as it fails to put stats below 1 I don't think I would ever really see this being broken.
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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg451645#msg451645
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2012, 10:30:31 pm »
Love the idea and the theme.  It has the potential to obliterate speedbows.  Might or might not be slightly OP in that regard.  Part of me wants to make the unupped version affect both players and the upped version remain the same, but maybe that's just me.  Either way, love the card.
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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg451651#msg451651
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2012, 10:52:12 pm »
MONOS GOGOGOGO!

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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg451662#msg451662
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2012, 11:28:50 pm »
My one main qualm with this card is its name. At this point in time, Elements the Game's card base doesn't seem large enough to be introducing names that are elegant, descriptive and convoluted. Thus far, the game seems to support concise names that never exceed more than 1 or 2 words. It's one of the main reasons that skills with long names disturb me a little, aside from the fact that they would just be chopped in the actual game screen.

Yu-Gi-Oh! has such a large card base that they have really descriptive names and are given the potential for really descriptive abilities. I don't see the need to get too descriptive at least until we're in Elements the Game 2.0 or something.

A short, sweet and simple name such as Prejudice would fit quite well and follow the current unwritten law.

Aside, I knew this card reminded me of something from the past, and looking through the card ideas I found Asmodeus (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,30031.0.html), a card idea which has definite similarities to this one. I was also surprised to see that Asmodeus almost was of the :darkness Darkness element too if it weren't for the poll. I'm not sure how much new potential both being in the game would bring, and I'm sure there are perfect arguments for their distinct differences, but at least in my opinion they seemed almost too alike .
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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg451678#msg451678
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 12:04:49 am »
I like this one a lot :)  I'd definitely use this card if it were implemented.  I also like the Eldritch Horror name, since I think HPL kicks ass :D

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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg452323#msg452323
« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2012, 05:36:36 pm »
My one main qualm with this card is its name. At this point in time, Elements the Game's card base doesn't seem large enough to be introducing names that are elegant, descriptive and convoluted. Thus far, the game seems to support concise names that never exceed more than 1 or 2 words. It's one of the main reasons that skills with long names disturb me a little, aside from the fact that they would just be chopped in the actual game screen.

Yu-Gi-Oh! has such a large card base that they have really descriptive names and are given the potential for really descriptive abilities. I don't see the need to get too descriptive at least until we're in Elements the Game 2.0 or something.

A short, sweet and simple name such as Prejudice would fit quite well and follow the current unwritten law.
I intended to do the same thing when I first made the card, but then I thought that "Prejudice" seems to imply a weapon or a permanent, rather than a creature given the context of ETG. (weapons have 1-word names and prejudice is more likely to be an emotion invoked by a spell given that we can prevent elementals from speaking (Silence) and induce artificial states of mind (Adrenaline) )
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Aside, I knew this card reminded me of something from the past, and looking through the card ideas I found Asmodeus (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,30031.0.html), a card idea which has definite similarities to this one. I was also surprised to see that Asmodeus almost was of the :darkness Darkness element too if it weren't for the poll. I'm not sure how much new potential both being in the game would bring, and I'm sure there are perfect arguments for their distinct differences, but at least in my opinion they seemed almost too alike .
I've made several "mass weakening" cards (sort of like a mini-series) - Cholera itself is based off of Oppression (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,23902.0.html), which follows a similar "weakening" theme. The intended uses are also different due to the target "groups" they affect:

Oppression
Overall the most beneficial and the most straightfoward - your enemy creatures lose -1 | -1.
Pros : Simple and has no drawback.
Cons : Weapon - requires another card to stack.

Asmodeus
Widest 'field' of effect - all creatures not of your mark gain -1 | -1.
Pros : Accessible to all elements.
Cons : Mark requirement forces you to balance element usage on the mono-rainbow scale of your deck. Easily killed.

Cholera
Affects creatures of the same species - enemy creatures gain -1 | -1 for each creature of the same type on their field.
Pros : Counters Swarm/Fractal/Mitosis, more effective against monos and duos that are consistent with creatures.
Cons : Increasing variety of creatures weakens card - less effective against multiple elements.

Eldritch Horror
Punishes enemies for being diverse : All enemy creatures gain -1 | -1 for each creature of a different element on their field.
Pros : More effective if opponent wields more elements, most damaging to rainbows.
Cons : Basically an inverse and less effective Eclipse if your opponent runs a mono. Easily killed.
So it is true the above 4 cards have similarities since they all revolve around the same core concept, but they also have their thematic differences as well.  I haven't seen any potential balance issues with this card, so I'm going to be submitting it to the Crucible.

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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg486909#msg486909
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 02:16:08 am »
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Re: Eldritch Horror | Avatar of Prejudice https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35877.msg486931#msg486931
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2012, 02:53:07 am »
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