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Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg431640#msg431640
« on: November 28, 2011, 12:28:21 am »
NAME:
Cardinal
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
2
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 2
TEXT:
4 :Cardinality: Put a copy of target card on top of a random deck.
NAME:
Cardinal
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
1
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 2
TEXT:
4 :Cardinality: Put a copy of target card on top of a random deck.
ART:
EmeraldTiger
IDEA:
EmeraldTiger, Zblader, OldTrees
NOTES:
SERIES:
NAME:
Cardinal
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
2
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 2
TEXT:
4 :Cardinality: Put a copy of target card on top of a random deck.
Cardinal Affinity.
NAME:
Cardinal
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
1
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 2
TEXT:
4 :Cardinality: Put a copy of target card on top of a random deck.
Cardinal Affinity.
ART:
EmeraldTiger
IDEA:
EmeraldTiger, Zblader, OldTrees
NOTES:
Cardinal Affinity: If Mark is :aether Cardinal gains Immaterial. If Mark is :gravity Cardinal gains Momentum. If Mark is :time a card is drawn when Cardinal is played. If Mark is :entropy Choas Seed or Chaos Power is cast on Cardinal.
SERIES:
NAME:
Cardinal
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
2
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 2
TEXT:
4 :Cardinality: Target in hand card's cost is reduced by number of cards in your hand.
Cardinal Affinity.
NAME:
Cardinal
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
1
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 2
TEXT:
4 :Cardinality: Target in hand card's cost is reduced by number of cards in your hand.
Cardinal Affinity.
ART:
EmeraldTiger
IDEA:
EmeraldTiger, Zblader
NOTES:
Cardinal Affinity: If Mark is :aether Cardinal gains Immaterial. If Mark is :gravity Cardinal gains Momentum. If Mark is :time a card is drawn. when Cardinal is played, If Mark is :entropy Choas Seed or Chaos Power is cast on Cardinal.
SERIES:
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg431642#msg431642
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 12:34:41 am »
So the cardinal can essentially die if the mark is entropy?

Other than that I like the creature and skill name. Cool card :)
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg431643#msg431643
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2011, 12:35:14 am »
I like how it turned out.
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg431649#msg431649
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2011, 12:38:20 am »
So the cardinal can essentially die if the mark is entropy?

Other than that I like the creature and skill name. Cool card :)
That is the risk of :entropy.
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg432164#msg432164
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2011, 03:42:34 am »
Thoughts on Cardinal | Cardinal (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,34224.0.html)
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Other Comments:
Cardinality is ... potent.
We were looking to this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinality) when we came up with Cardinality.
any thoughts on a better mechanic?
I do not know why the Cardinal elements were named Cardinal rather than another name. I sent a PM to Bloodshadow asking for clarification.
It might have been referring to a more abstract nature in those elements.
Bloodshadow: "It means "of fundamental importance". Space, time, order, chaos, those aspects are about as "fundamental" as one can get."

Something dealing with fundamental aspects of the game might make sense.
Based what is said here where should we go with this?
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg432169#msg432169
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2011, 04:05:23 am »
I like it, it's a pretty solid card.

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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg432175#msg432175
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2011, 04:21:59 am »
What are fundamental aspects of the game?
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg432182#msg432182
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2011, 04:42:49 am »
i really dont follow the rationale of this card
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg432186#msg432186
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2011, 04:49:35 am »
I tied the creature Cardinal to the Cardinal elements, I am sure there is a better way to do it, but I too tired to think atm.
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg432812#msg432812
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2011, 02:36:16 pm »
new version up
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg432816#msg432816
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2011, 02:52:38 pm »
Not sure or someone likes to have this card in it's deck
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Re: Cardinal | Cardinal https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34224.msg432851#msg432851
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2011, 04:27:07 pm »
The new effect copies a target card (this implies targeting the card in the hand) and puts it randomly on top of your or your opponent's deck.

Imagine a generic Fractal Deck. Fractal, Pillars of Element X, Cardinals, Fractal Fodder from Element X and an Aether Mark.
The Aether mark will make your Cardinals Immaterial. This is important since they play a major role in the new deck strategy.
Most of your opponents would not have a use for multiples of any single type of card from your deck.
Each use of Cardinality will have a 50% chance of determining your next draw OR depriving your opponent of their next draw.
With enough quanta and enough Cardinals you can ensure your opponent never draws another useful card unless they are the same Duo as you or have a CC shield.

How expensive does Cardinal/Cardinality need to be to balance this effect?

Imagine a deck that would greatly appreciate a 7th copy of a permanent (Dimensional Shield, Sundial) or spell (Fire Bolt, Miracle, Supernova).
Each use of Cardinality has a 50% chance of giving you that 7th+ copy at the cost of losing your draw.

How expensive does Cardinal/Cardinality need to be to balance this effect?
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