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VooTUFlew[FG][OTK][Partially-Unupped] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg429941#msg429941
« on: November 24, 2011, 03:28:03 am »
Formerly Flying Titans

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(unupped sundials because of mulligan and everything else unupped doesn't need to be upped, except maybe RT and freeze (to freeze the opponent's weapon longer, see Pros for explanation))

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The combo is + 3x + + 2x .
Then once you catapult all three dolls, 67 + 67+ 67 = 201  ;D

Spoiler for How to use:
Step 1: Draw you deck until you have used 6 supernovae and have the combo ready (this also means 3 usable trebuchets!)

Step 2: Play a voodoo doll, freeze it, use basilisk blood on it three times, and then TU it twice

In this image, I had the reverse time left, so I RTed his Chimera  :P
Step 3: Catapult all three voodoo dolls

In this image, I bottom decked a trebuchet, so I had to RT. Since my hand was full before and I was forced to play all my dials, this meant I had to take one final beating from the FG, which is why I only had 5 HP left.

The rest of this deck is from the base build of Instosis.

This is better than the Titan version (below) because it requires at most 12 quanta of 1 element other than :time, (which are :aether and :gravity). This means the whole combo and necessary cards can be covered with SNs. The rewind is in case that a trebuchet is the last card. The voodoo doll can be rewinded to able to use the trebuchet's ability.

If the FG has quite a bit of permanent control, there is a chance that the trebuchets are destroyed.

The strategy is quite similar to Instosis. If anyone could test this deck and come up with some stats, that would be appreciated.
Compared to Instosis:
Pros:
    This deck doesn't need to use time quanta for any other purpose except hastening and stalling, which means its less reliant on time towers.Sundials can be played on the combo turn, but this is kinda useless anyway except for preventing stupid mistakesSince freezing a voodoo doll also freezes the opponent's weapon, if the opponent has no CC, then you can stop its weapon damage by freezing your voodoo doll. (Remember to use the combo before it's unfrozen though)It doesn't have any rare cards
Cons:
    It's bigger, therefore slower.It's reliant on 3 permanents that need to be played before the combo turn; this is definitely the biggest drawbackIt uses 12 :gravity and 12 :aether quanta, which means any kind of quanta shuffling/denial is probably going to result in a loss
Overall, it will probably have a lower win rate.
Unfortunately, still no one has tested this T_T.

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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name) [FG] [OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg429948#msg429948
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2011, 03:49:17 am »
I dont believe a 200 HP catatitan has been made yet. and it looks like a promising idea. I do have a few suggestions though.

-To fix the animate weapon issue use the unupped flying weapon. you're a ninja
- As much as I am a fan of the Instosis backbone, I think there might be a better base build since there is not a major use of rainbow quanta. only 1-2 of various quanta types. Maybe a better version would have pends aether mark and Dim shields.
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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg429951#msg429951
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2011, 03:55:51 am »
I see why that's probably better than the one I have there. But why 3 novas? Isn't just 2 enough? (1 :air for flying weapon and 1 :water for congeal and 2 :earth for BB)

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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg429953#msg429953
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2011, 04:01:10 am »
I see why that's probably better than the one I have there. But why 3 novas? Isn't just 2 enough? (1 :air for flying weapon and 1 :water for congeal and 2 :earth for BB)
I had 2 then realized the animate problem would then afect them, then after i realized you could use the unupgraded flying weapon. and forgot to change it. and then noticed you caught that before i posted
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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg429955#msg429955
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2011, 04:22:49 am »
After playing with your version -1 nova, animate weapon, +1 flying weapon for a while, I notice some things.

Your version has more quanta stability, which makes the overall deck better.

However, I now have to give up on decks with momentum since phase shields don't stop momentum.
It also takes much longer to draw my deck, which allows poison decks to get the better of me as well. This also means that games are longer.

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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg430006#msg430006
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2011, 07:26:25 am »
That's a very unique idea. Never seen catapulting OTK titans for FGs.

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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg430041#msg430041
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2011, 12:35:21 pm »
Very interesting.
Similar to Instosis , but with less rare cards (no SoR). That´s why this deck could soon be popular.
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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg430145#msg430145
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2011, 07:32:27 pm »
I admit I'm not too good with quanta balance, but since Instosis needs to support a Silurian Dragon with its :time quanta on top of everything else, couldn't you use pendulums (pendula?) or fewer :time towers?

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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg430163#msg430163
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2011, 07:59:51 pm »
Might just be better to use  unupped dials since you've got plenty of time quantum to fuel HG's and you need to draw those time towers quick.

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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg430177#msg430177
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2011, 08:26:15 pm »
I admit I'm not too good with quanta balance, but since Instosis needs to support a Silurian Dragon with its :time quanta on top of everything else, couldn't you use pendulums (pendula?) or fewer :time towers?
You're right. But I'm not good with quanta balance either...

Might just be better to use  unupped dials since you've got plenty of time quantum to fuel HG's and you need to draw those time towers quick.
It's cheaper, but not better though.

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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg430181#msg430181
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2011, 08:31:14 pm »
^depends on how much mulligan actually happens :P

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Re: Throwing Titans (may need a better name)[FG][OTK] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34071.msg430188#msg430188
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2011, 09:00:29 pm »
^depends on how much mulligan actually happens :P
I'm sorry, what's mulligan?

 

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