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Kudzu Seed | Kudzu Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg405761#msg405761
« on: October 07, 2011, 07:05:38 am »
NAME:
Kudzu Seed
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target permanent gains passive ability Sprout: spawns a new Kudzu Plant at the end of each turn.
NAME:
Kudzu Seed
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target permanent gains passive ability Sprout: spawns a new Kudzu Plant at the end of each turn.
NAME:
Kudzu Plant
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Immaterial. At the end of each turn, drains 1 HP from its field.
NAME:
Kudzu Plant
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
0
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Immaterial. At the end of each turn, drains 1 HP from its field.
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NOTES:
A more subtle way of PC -- instead of destroying the targeted permanent, it instead gives it a second ability to spawn immaterial "dead" permanents. If used correctly and not stopped in time, it will eventually fill all 16 permanent slots. Can be countered by destroying the targeted permanent yourself, stopping the spawning of useless permanents. Sort of like an Afla of permanents, but without killing the original targeted creature.

Made because Life is the only element without direct CC or PC, so this fills the PC option. Not that it needs any -- IMO it's still one of the top elements out there -- but it certainly wouldn't hurt.

Inspired by an article on the trigger plant, which can actually stun insects by shooting its pollen like bullets. Amazingly, it's not the fastest shooting plant out there (the bunchberry dogwood tree can shoot with a force of 2400 times the force of gravity). Here's the article (http://www.cracked.com/article_19456_8-things-you-wont-believe-plants-do-when-no-ones-looking.html) for reference (warning, lots of vulgarity and swearing. If for some reason you haven't encountered that on the internet yet, best not start now. Page 2, #2 btw.)

Also, credit to ZBlader for suggesting the name "Kudzu" for the invasive plant.
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Re: Parasite Seed | Eden Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg405989#msg405989
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2011, 09:06:18 pm »
An obnoxious new version of PC, love it. And yeah, not a fan of the immateriality thing... Still good PC without it, and maybe it needs some kind of a nerf, you could make it cost close to the same amount as Aflatoxin, since that basically shuts down the opponents creature-field. But besides that, it's a very original and new idea of PC. Good job :)
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Re: Parasite Seed | Eden Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg405993#msg405993
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 09:08:32 pm »
request name change to some kind of invasive vegetation, e.g. weed or lily

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Re: Parasite Seed | Eden Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg405996#msg405996
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 09:11:29 pm »
request name change to some kind of invasive vegetation, e.g. weed or lily
Reminds me of this for some reason :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kudzu

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Re: Parasite Seed | Eden Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg406021#msg406021
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 10:01:50 pm »
Remove immateriality. Taking it to creatures side, it would be like having an immaterial malignant cell generator xD

Permanent locking like this is freaking awsome and i love it, but immateriality would make it OP.
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Re: Kudzu Seed | Kudzu Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg408469#msg408469
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2011, 06:21:09 am »
I changed it to "Kudzu Seed" on ZBlader's and patch's suggestions. Thanks!

I kept the Immaterial status for now. My justification:

1) The immaterial is only on the spawned perms, not the original permanent. You can stop further effects by just destroying the permanent (or, if future cards allow this, remove the second ability).

2) Now that shards can stack, permanent slots will be filled even less quickly. The immaterial status of the "dead" Tree cards would really only hurt rainbow stalls, since they usually rely on a lot of permanents. For other decks, they usually are too fast to be affected by the (once-per-turn) spawning of dead perms, or only rely on a few key permanents (pillars, HGs, and Shards come to mind).

If enough people suggest against it though, I'll change it.

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Re: Kudzu Seed | Kudzu Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg408619#msg408619
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2011, 05:45:40 pm »
If you select a shard or pilar stack... do they still work?
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Re: Kudzu Seed | Kudzu Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg408709#msg408709
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2011, 08:46:25 pm »
I changed it to "Kudzu Seed" on ZBlader's and patch's suggestions. Thanks!

I kept the Immaterial status for now. My justification:

1) The immaterial is only on the spawned perms, not the original permanent. You can stop further effects by just destroying the permanent (or, if future cards allow this, remove the second ability).

2) Now that shards can stack, permanent slots will be filled even less quickly. The immaterial status of the "dead" Tree cards would really only hurt rainbow stalls, since they usually rely on a lot of permanents. For other decks, they usually are too fast to be affected by the (once-per-turn) spawning of dead perms, or only rely on a few key permanents (pillars, HGs, and Shards come to mind).

If enough people suggest against it though, I'll change it.
This only proves that Kudzu Seed is pretty useless (in the current meta-game). The only permanents i can expect this kind of mechanic to affect are Sundials, Catapults (if you don't draw the few you have before your field is filled), and maybe Soul Catchers.
Therefore, I think that Tree should have a secondary mechanic such as "Owner loses 1 Max HP per turn" or "Opponent gains 1 HP per turn"

If you select a shard or pilar stack... do they still work?
You can have more than one passive at a time, using this card does not overwrite any previous passive abilities.

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Re: Kudzu Seed | Kudzu Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg408716#msg408716
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2011, 09:09:10 pm »
Thematically, you con say that the tree consumes 1 HP to "stay alive" (i don't have sooo good english, there must be a verb related to plants). So if you put 1 seed on an oponent's permanent, it will be like placing 1 poison counter per turn untill filling all his perm. space. If you use 2, it would be like putting 2 perms each turn, etc. Sexy idea, Patch.
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Re: Kudzu Seed | Kudzu Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg408724#msg408724
« Reply #9 on: October 12, 2011, 09:36:11 pm »
Good idea, patch. Good point on Kudzu Seed being UP/useless the way it is right now. I'll make the changes in a bit -- how does this sound? Each Tree sucks HP from the field and gives it to the other player (you gain HP, they lose)? That way, the longer they wait to destroy the Kudzu'd perm, the more "poison" they have.

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Re: Kudzu Seed | Kudzu Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg408742#msg408742
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2011, 09:55:35 pm »
Good idea, patch. Good point on Kudzu Seed being UP/useless the way it is right now. I'll make the changes in a bit -- how does this sound? Each Tree sucks HP from the field and gives it to the other player (you gain HP, they lose)? That way, the longer they wait to destroy the Kudzu'd perm, the more "poison" they have.
"Drain" sounds better than "Suck"
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Re: Kudzu Seed | Kudzu Seed https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=32101.msg410133#msg410133
« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2011, 05:04:58 am »
Okay, one thing: weed would probably be a better name. Then they could also potentially be not immaterial, and each Weed could infest like a Malignant Cell.

Regardless, I love the concept of it. Quite an ingenious form of PC.
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