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EM-phatic Flying Healbots - unupped https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31248.msg395961#msg395961
« on: September 20, 2011, 03:51:30 am »
I tried my due diligence and could not find this deck posted. I have to credit Odii Odsen for showing me this trick in a BL match - it was cool enough, I wanted to see if I could build something out of it. In searching after I had built my deck and played around with it a bit, I found this deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,27060.0.html)  which is similar, but looks to rely more on the Mitosis mechanics and leans on the upped Animate Weapon. I saw some mentions of it on the Wiki (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/cards-life/druidic-staff-jade-staff/) and a Rainbow version (http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/decks/rainbow-decks/adrenaline-healing-deck/) of it on there as well, but since I didn't find an example of this specific approach, I thought I'd post my version here to share.

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This has been a really fun deck. I've been coming in with around a 50% EM rate in AI3 and about an 80% win ratio. It has done OK over the last day or 2 in Bronze; got me my first (and only, so far) win in Silver; failed at Gold, Plat and AI4. I have not formally tabulated those numbers; I'm planning on doing my first full deck analysis with this one shortly.

I originally had it set up with FFQ, but it was requiring too much :air and I was starving for  :life too often.

Weaknesses:
  • Shields can be a major impediment. Gravity shield can be a deal-breaker - Owl's Eye helps, since you can drop the HP of your own creatures, though.
  • Reverse Time will make this deck cry. A lot.
  • CC in general is a pain, as you have limited Adrenalines/Flying Weapons, which you don't get back.
  • A really fast rush can beat it (see below, however).
Strengths:
  • It can snatch victory from the jaws of defeat quite often. If you can get the combo out by turn 4 or 5, even a fast rush won't necessarily finish you off. You get 20 healing/turn with 1 flying, juiced staff - enough to give you time to get the others out to play. Seeing yourself get down to 20, 30 life is not a death sentence, as all the healing can overpower the damage and get you back into the game. I've gone from 10 HP left to an EM a few times now.
  • EM's a-plenty. Because it's healing as it's doing damage, if you're at 80HP or above on the final go around, you've got a solid chance of an EM. With all the healing - I'll regularly get 3 combos out there, for 60 healing/turn - you'll almost always be in position for an EM, if you can win.
  • Because the flying Staff gets 7 HP, direct damage on it will not wipe it out easily. The dragons are a nice decoy for the AI, since it will leave the staff(s) alone as soon as you drop a dragon out there.

EDIT:
Just wrapped up testing. I overestimated a bit, it seems. 62% win rate; 36% EM rate for AI3. Not too bad - just not as good as I thought! :)

Here be the stats:
Wins: 31
Losses: 19
EMs: 18
Avg. TTW: 14.65

TTW breakdown:
ttw 9:     3
ttw 10:   1
ttw 11:   3
ttw 12:   4
ttw 13:   6
ttw 14:   1
ttw 15:   1
ttw 16:   1
ttw 17:   4
ttw 18:   1
ttw 19:   1
ttw 20:   0
ttw 21:   2
ttw 22:   3

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Re: EM-phatic Flying Healbots - unupped https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31248.msg396408#msg396408
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2011, 11:25:21 pm »
Why are Thunderstorms there? They're arguably the worst cards in the game, and 2 mass CC damage total isn't enough to significantly slow most decks.

It would be stupid to adrenaline the dragons, since the attack boost isn't much, so I assume it's for the staffs and OE only. In that case, you should probably put in one more Flying Weapon. As it is, with 4 Adrenalines and 3 Flying Weapons, one of those Adrenalines is essentially a dead card (unless you're using it to kill the opponent's creatures faster against the Thorn Carapace, which is kinda wasteful). Green Nymph is good if you have it.

You'll probably not have enough quanta to use Owl's Eye (5 to play, 2 to use, so you'll get some use of it by the eighth turn at the earliest, not counting a one-copy-in-thirty-cards pendulum) and it conflicts with the staffs anyways. If you want to drop your staffs' HP against Gravity Shield, use Shockwaves.

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Re: EM-phatic Flying Healbots - unupped https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31248.msg396413#msg396413
« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2011, 11:32:00 pm »
Very nice take on this deck.  Just a few minor suggestions.  As mwaetht said, no need for the T'Storms.  You could swap those for 1-2 more FW and another life pend.  I would also switch 1-2 pillars into pends to give a little more air quanta for the OE.  Otherwise, the deck looks good to me.
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Re: EM-phatic Flying Healbots - unupped https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31248.msg396495#msg396495
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2011, 02:10:07 am »
I tossed the thunderstorms in because I kept running into low-powered rushes, and they seemed like a good fix. Now, it seems like a bit of an overreaction to a short-term anomaly in the AI decks that came up. I'm about halfway through a full test and you're right - they're pretty much useless.

I want to finish the test with this setup, just for accuracy, then I will play around with it a bit. I'm thinking of dropping the T'storms and possibly the shockwaves, adding in 1-2 FW, 1 Dragon, and adjusting the pillars/pendulum balance. I end up with enough  :life that the extra dragon could be useful for upping the total damage.

Tossing an adrenaline on a dragon actually does help - it's an extra 4 damage, which can get you a win a turn or 2 quicker.

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Re: EM-phatic Flying Healbots - unupped https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31248.msg396528#msg396528
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2011, 03:20:15 am »
Updated original post with testing stats now. Now time for tweaking it for improvement.

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Re: EM-phatic Flying Healbots - unupped https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31248.msg398584#msg398584
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 05:44:32 pm »
I've refined the deck a bit now. Much improved win rate; minimal impact on the EM rate.

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Stats:
Wins: 41 - 82%
Losses: 9
EMs: 16 - 32%
Avg. TTW: 12.34

TTW breakdown:
ttw 9:     4
ttw 10:   5
ttw 11:   7
ttw 12:   11
ttw 13:   5
ttw 14:   2
ttw 15:   3
ttw 16:   0
ttw 17:   1
ttw 18:   1
ttw 19:   2

 

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