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Phase Spider + Sparktral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29309.msg373731#msg373731
« on: July 30, 2011, 07:10:36 pm »
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I had this idea for the tournament today, but my internet failed epicly right before the brackets, so I felt this shouldn't go to waste and modified it a bit and I wanted to ask for some opinions.

General strategy is to fractal Spiders or Sparks for massive swarming here + small support from Parallel Universe for more "cloning". Sparks can be played immediately after Fractal, but Phase Spiders have to wait 1-3 turns to be played (due to fractal draining all  :aether), but stay on the field. Silence supports and stalls for a turn, which helps my spiders last longer before they fall to a single Rain of Fire.

I was practicing against AI2 and I used Fractal on Spark. Little did I know that the opponent had played boneyard and after I swarmed with sparks, my opp swarmed with skeletons, which was funny. An idea I had was to include Death in this combo by adding boneyards, Death Pendulums and maybe some cheap Death critters for Fractal.

So, opinions are always welcome. My plan is to make it viable for at least AI 3, but it has been failing due to CC (not only rain of fire, but Pandemonium also screws my spiders).

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Re: Phase Spider + Sparktral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29309.msg373778#msg373778
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2011, 08:43:35 pm »
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28870.msg394408#msg394408

A deck i made a little while back, just in case you were curious about the feedback i got with a death/spark deck :P

Looks nice to me, are the silences for playing before a fractal to help ease the pressure from waiting for spiders?
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Re: Phase Spider + Sparktral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29309.msg373783#msg373783
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2011, 09:05:09 pm »
Ah, nice, I haven't thought of those options before  :)

Your topic really made me want to use it as inspiration, a condor plus spark seems to give nasty results.
I'll try replacing some cards (Spiders at first) and see what happens.

Seriously, thanks for letting me know of this one deck  ;D

About your question, I see Silence as a card that I can use early to delay the opponent's pillars for a second, but it's more useful to prevent nasty creatures and CC on my spiders.

Anyway, gonna do some editting and testing for a while now  :)

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Re: Phase Spider + Sparktral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29309.msg373793#msg373793
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2011, 09:13:54 pm »
http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?deck=4t5zD61oz561pz3620z46228pu
Used this deck on the tournament, I switched it around a lot until I found the better combination (I subbed the dagger for an extra spider).
My plan was mostly to put the spiders down as soon as I could and use fractal sparks to accelerate the damage. As soon as the sparks and spiders are upgraded it's a piece of cake.

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Re: Phase Spider + Sparktral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29309.msg373817#msg373817
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2011, 10:56:05 pm »
This one is interesting too /hmm Though I would rather use the Lobotomizer than a hammer.

The death combo made the deck too complicated for me to handle, so I went back to aether only.

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Re: Phase Spider + Sparktral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29309.msg373893#msg373893
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2011, 06:01:14 am »
I tried an upped version of this with 6 BL, 5 Phase Recluse, 4 Fractal. I think the reduced strength might make it slower as youd need to fractal spiders couple times first.

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Re: Phase Spider + Sparktral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29309.msg374406#msg374406
« Reply #6 on: August 01, 2011, 08:34:37 pm »
There are a couple things to consider with Fractal Spider/Spark decks. They need tons of quanta to be any fast, and steady damage is very helpful. In other words, if you truly want to make it just more effective, I'd skip the current support cards and get a weapon (preferably Lobotomizer, otherwise Short Sword). PU isn't very useful on the current Elders since many of their creatures rely on swarming -and- abilities you can't pay for. They're nice against the Water/Fire Elder since it grows Steamies, and decent against the Light/Time since it buffs Deja Vu's and Dune Scorps (that are are actually very nice to use against it), but are never actually needed.

Silences only have two effective uses against Elders: stopping AI from playing game-changing cards for a turn. These are mainly, in the case of this deck, Wings, Dim Shields and Rain of Fire. You will only see one Wings, since the Air/Light Elder only has one, and holding off RoF for one or two turns if lucky won't really help. Stopping a Dim chain is nice though, but isn't as effective as focusing the deck.

You might find with the additional bonus of a smaller deck, you will pump out Spiders at a much more satisfactory pace, like so:
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The slight problem with using Sparks is that you will often prefer to play a Spark before you Fractal a Spider just to get another Spider. Because fact is, with that many Spiders on the way out, Sparks are just for fun. That's no small but, though, and with more quanta around you'll get to Sparktal more often. :>
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Re: Phase Spider + Sparktral https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29309.msg374500#msg374500
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2011, 11:18:16 pm »
I see...The fact that sparks don't have any staying power makes them not accelerate the damage so much, and it's true, I found myself a couple times on a dilemma, if I should fractal Spiders or Sparks, but I will playtest it with the focus on the spiders as suggested, thanks  :)

I had forgotten about the weapon, good thing I got an elect :p

 

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