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Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373665#msg373665
« on: July 30, 2011, 04:17:04 pm »
NAME:
Frozen Hourglass
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
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ATK|HP:
TEXT:
You do not draw cards at the start of your turn.
:time :time :time : Precognition
NAME:
Frozen Hourglass
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
4 :water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
You do not draw cards at the start of your turn.
:time :time : Precognition
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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373666#msg373666
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2011, 04:21:18 pm »
This might be better as a permanent. Why should a frozen hourglass attack? Nice idea, btw, I like it. It might also be better in :water, as time already has eternity to avoid deckout.
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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373672#msg373672
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2011, 04:50:23 pm »
Changing it to a permanent was a good idea (I don't even know why I made it as a creature, at first). Anyway I'll keep the :time element, since I think it fits better with the concept of the card.

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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373732#msg373732
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2011, 07:10:40 pm »
EDIT:  Ah, overlooked the word 'you'.
New question:  If you use Hasten / Precognition when this is active, do you draw a card?
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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373735#msg373735
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2011, 07:17:46 pm »
Changing it to a permanent was a good idea (I don't even know why I made it as a creature, at first). Anyway I'll keep the :time element, since I think it fits better with the concept of the card.
I don't wish to interrupt, but I also think that it should be water, or at least not time. Like The Mormegil said, Time has already got a method to prevent decking out.

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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373744#msg373744
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2011, 07:34:23 pm »
If you play two Time towers and a Frozen Hourglass on your first turn when you and your opponent have no cards in your hand that you can play, is the game then over?  (I know that this is unlikely, but it is possible.)
Uh, no. The card effect affects only you, and it clearly states that. So it's more like you block yourself from doing anything unless your opponent destroys this card, so it wouldn't be very smart if you did it.

Changing it to a permanent was a good idea (I don't even know why I made it as a creature, at first). Anyway I'll keep the :time element, since I think it fits better with the concept of the card.
I don't wish to interrupt, but I also think that it should be water, or at least not time. Like The Mormegil said, Time has already got a method to prevent decking out.
Well, I'll think about that. But I'll have to change the art and name of the card, also (maybe I change it back to a creature, then).

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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373751#msg373751
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2011, 07:43:19 pm »
If you play two Time towers and a Frozen Hourglass on your first turn when you and your opponent have no cards in your hand that you can play, is the game then over?  (I know that this is unlikely, but it is possible.)
Uh, no. The card effect affects only you, and it clearly states that. So it's more like you block yourself from doing anything unless your opponent destroys this card, so it wouldn't be very smart if you did it.

Changing it to a permanent was a good idea (I don't even know why I made it as a creature, at first). Anyway I'll keep the :time element, since I think it fits better with the concept of the card.
I don't wish to interrupt, but I also think that it should be water, or at least not time. Like The Mormegil said, Time has already got a method to prevent decking out.
Well, I'll think about that. But I'll have to change the art and name of the card, also (maybe I change it back to a creature, then).
No, I think that wouldn't be necessary. The term 'frozen' suits at least as well to Water as 'hourglass' does to Time.

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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373787#msg373787
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2011, 09:08:41 pm »
If you're worried the theme doesn't really fit, you may actually convert this into a water permanent with a time active ability. For instance:

"You do not draw cards at the start of your turn.
:time :time :time: Precognition
Draw a card and see the opponent's hand."

This might require an increase in cost, possibly to 4 :water quanta, and upped might have an ability cost reduction.
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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373862#msg373862
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2011, 02:35:50 am »
Like others said, I think with the given name this card should be in water.  Also, as has been said, Time already has Eternity to do this sort of thing.  I like the idea of adding another minor ability to the card beyond preventing deckout, because as is it would probably be rarely used except in very niche decks.  Mormegil's idea of having it cast precognition is alright; that also fits the hourglass theme, and it's costed fairly.  Thematically, Freeze/Congeal would also make sense as an effect for a frozen object to cast. 

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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg373899#msg373899
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2011, 07:17:50 am »
Like others said, I think with the given name this card should be in water.  Also, as has been said, Time already has Eternity to do this sort of thing.  I like the idea of adding another minor ability to the card beyond preventing deckout, because as is it would probably be rarely used except in very niche decks.  Mormegil's idea of having it cast precognition is alright; that also fits the hourglass theme, and it's costed fairly.  Thematically, Freeze/Congeal would also make sense as an effect for a frozen object to cast.
I'm afraid Freeze / Congeal on a permanent seems rather strong. Also, I'd prefer this to have a :time activated ability, but that's just me.
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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg374079#msg374079
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2011, 09:51:38 pm »
OK. Now this is a Water card with precognition.

Guess I'll have to think a lot before accepting any other suggestions.

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Re: Frozen Hourglass | Frozen Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=29302.msg375817#msg375817
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So you basically prevent yourself from drawing new cards as long as is up? I wonder how this could be exploited in a rainbow deck (like CCYB) to avoid deck-out situations... >.>

 

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