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The gabor,cremation based deck(TTW=6,02) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25677.msg327422#msg327422
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Re: The gabor,cremation based deck(TTW=6,02) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25677.msg332690#msg332690
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 07:05:58 am »
A few questions.

Firstly, why the Improved Heal?
Right now it looks like your deck could take 2 different directions:  Either a straight-up Destruction Cremation Rush or an EM Cremation Rush; there's really no reason to take a middle road.  If you want to go the first route, then I suggest you drop that Improved Heal for a Giant Frog; the Dagger is fine because its damage/cost ratio is fantastic and possibly your best option here.  If you want to go the EM route then you'll probably need at least 2 more Improved Heals; ~15% EM rate is usually obtained by any Destroyer Rush using a Vampire Dagger alone, so you'll want to aim for a number higher than 30%.  Which brings me to my second point.

Do you need so many Nova/Cremation?
I've developed a Cremation Rush which used Nova as a quanta generator myself and I usually found that 4-5 Nova gave me the best results; are you sure that 6 is your best option here?
The Cremations seem like they're a bit too many.  Have you tried 5 Cremations and 6 Lava Destroyers?  That's the setup the current fastest Cremationbow uses and it works very well.  Bottomline is that without Unupped Phoenixes I don't think 6 Cremations for 5 :fire creatures is going to produce the best results.

If you conclude that you might need to trade out a few cards, there are a few options:
1- Chaos Power:  It's a great buff and it helps keep your Destroyers/Shriekers alive past that first turn when they're most variable.  The AI is much smarter now so this might be a worthy addition.
2- Minor Phoenix:  The things just won't die and they're great for when you have multiple Cremations with nothing to Cremate (or maybe nothing you want to Cremate in this case).
3- A 6th Graboid:  How's your :earth quanta?  If you find you have a ridiculous amount then you may want to try another Graboid to help make that less of a problem.  If not, then this probably won't help.

Anyways, if you're not interested in these suggestions then I would very much like to hear your exact reasoning for the card choices I'm worried about; this does appear to be a very good deck by the way; just in case I came across as too objective.
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Re: The gabor,cremation based deck(TTW=6,02) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25677.msg332693#msg332693
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 07:29:17 am »
A few questions.

Firstly, why the Improved Heal?
Right now it looks like your deck could take 2 different directions:  Either a straight-up Destruction Cremation Rush or an EM Cremation Rush; there's really no reason to take a middle road.  If you want to go the first route, then I suggest you drop that Improved Heal for a Giant Frog; the Dagger is fine because its damage/cost ratio is fantastic and possibly your best option here.  If you want to go the EM route then you'll probably need at least 2 more Improved Heals; ~15% EM rate is usually obtained by any Destroyer Rush using a Vampire Dagger alone, so you'll want to aim for a number higher than 30%.  Which brings me to my second point.

Do you need so many Nova/Cremation?
I've developed a Cremation Rush which used Nova as a quanta generator myself and I usually found that 4-5 Nova gave me the best results; are you sure that 6 is your best option here?
The Cremations seem like they're a bit too many.  Have you tried 5 Cremations and 6 Lava Destroyers?  That's the setup the current fastest Cremationbow uses and it works very well.  Bottomline is that without Unupped Phoenixes I don't think 6 Cremations for 5 :fire creatures is going to produce the best results.

If you conclude that you might need to trade out a few cards, there are a few options:
1- Chaos Power:  It's a great buff and it helps keep your Destroyers/Shriekers alive past that first turn when they're most variable.  The AI is much smarter now so this might be a worthy addition.
2- Minor Phoenix:  The things just won't die and they're great for when you have multiple Cremations with nothing to Cremate (or maybe nothing you want to Cremate in this case).
3- A 6th Graboid:  How's your :earth quanta?  If you find you have a ridiculous amount then you may want to try another Graboid to help make that less of a problem.  If not, then this probably won't help.

Anyways, if you're not interested in these suggestions then I would very much like to hear your exact reasoning for the card choices I'm worried about; this does appear to be a very good deck by the way; just in case I came across as too objective.
A 6th Graboid may be the best suggestion,The damage will be much faster.
6 novas are just what i need.6 novas=6 time quanta=6 graboids evolved.
If i change the gnomes for phoenixes my earth quanta will go far down so the gnomes still remain.
A chaos power might work a lot but i can't replace anything to get it in.
I will replace a Cremation for an Lava Destroyer,it might work.

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Re: The gabor,cremation based deck(TTW=6,02) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25677.msg332694#msg332694
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 07:34:11 am »
A 6th Graboid may be the best suggestion,The damage will be much faster.
6 novas are just what i need.6 novas=6 time quanta=6 graboids evolved.
If i change the gnomes for phoenixes my earth quanta will go far down so the gnomes still remain.
A chaos power might work a lot but i can't replace anything to get it in.
I will replace a Cremation for an Lava Destroyer,it might work.
Don't forget that Cremation also gives you :time quanta.  In this case you'll be getting 11 :time.
I didn't suggest to change the Gnomes for anything, so yes, those need to stay.
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Re: The gabor,cremation based deck(TTW=6,02) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25677.msg337408#msg337408
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 01:10:17 pm »
Don't forget that Cremation also gives you :time quanta.  In this case you'll be getting 11 :time.
I didn't suggest to change the Gnomes for anything, so yes, those need to stay.
So 2 novas for 2 Chaos power might work?
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Re: The gabor,cremation based deck(TTW=6,02) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25677.msg337433#msg337433
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2011, 02:10:40 pm »
Don't forget that Cremation also gives you :time quanta.  In this case you'll be getting 11 :time.
I didn't suggest to change the Gnomes for anything, so yes, those need to stay.
So 2 novas for 2 Chaos power might work?
Yes that should work.
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