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Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg322989#msg322989
« on: April 29, 2011, 10:06:47 pm »
These are theoretical starting decks that use some of the newer cards.
They will all have 1 dragon, 3 quantum pillars, a dagger, 4 pillars off element, and 3 off element cards
All decks are subject to change at any time
CYCLE BASED
 :aether :darkness :death :air :water :life :light :time :gravity :earth :fire :entropy is the cycle
AETHER
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5um 5um 5up 606 606 606 606 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61p 61q 61q 61r 61s 61s 61s 61t 61t 61v 620 620 621 622 622 624 624 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a 63a
DARKNESS
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 52k 52u 52u 542 542 542 542 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5um 5um 5un 5un 5uo 5uo 5us 5us 5ut 5uu 5uv 5v0 5v0 5v1 5v2 5v2 606 606 606 606 606 606

OPPOSITE BASED
EARTH
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 58q 58q 58r 58u 58u 58u 590 590 591 593 593 594 595 595 596 596 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5ok 5ok 5on
AIR
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 58o 58o 58o 58o 58q 58u 590 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5od 5od 5od 5oe 5oe 5oe 5of 5oh 5oh 5oj 5ok 5ok 5om 5om 5on 5on 5op
FIRE
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f1 5f1 5f1 5f2 5f3 5f3 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f8 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fb 5fc 5fc 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i6 5ia 5if
WATER
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f1 5f3 5f9 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i4 5i5 5i6 5i6 5i7 5i7 5i8 5i8 5ia 5id 5ie 5ie 5ie 5if 5ig 5ih 5ih 5ii
LIGHT
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l9 5l9 5la 5lb 5lb 5lb 5lc 5lc 5le 5lf 5lf 5lj 5lk 5ll 5lm 5lm 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5un 5uu 5uu
DARKNESS
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 5l8 5l8 5l8 5l8 5le 5lf 5lf 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5ul 5um 5um 5un 5un 5up 5up 5uq 5us 5ut 5ut 5ut 5uv 5v0 5v0 5v2
ENTROPY
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4ve 4vf 4vi 4vi 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vk 4vk 4vm 4vm 4vn 4vp 4vp 4vq 4vq 55k 55k 55k 55k 55v 561
GRAVITY
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4t3 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vi 4vn 4vo 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55l 55l 55l 55m 55n 55o 55q 55q 55r 55r 55t 55u 55v 55v 560 561 562 562
CARD POOLS
These stress some synergies and come with 3 cards per off element and a main element pack with cards that give synergies. Total amount of cards is 60 for both packs(+10 pillars)

DARKNESS
Starter Pack
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5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5uk 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5uo 5uo 5uo 5uq 5uq 5uq 5ut 5ut 5ut 5ut 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uu 5uv 5uv 5uv 5v0 5v0 5v0 606Synergy pack
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4vh 4vh 4vh 52u 52u 52u 55l 55l 55l 593 593 593 5c7 5c7 5c7 5fb 5fb 5fb 5i7 5i7 5i7 5lf 5lf 5lf 5oh 5oh 5oh 5ru 5ru 5ru 622 622 622
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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323016#msg323016
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2011, 10:40:15 pm »
The   :entropy :death :gravity :earth :life :fire :water :light :air :time :darkness :aether :entropy cycle was designed so the players could choose from 12 different combinations rather than your 6 proposed combinations.

I would suggest you design some starter decks around a cycle because we need new starter decks but the cycle is better than 6 pairs.
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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323192#msg323192
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2011, 02:46:42 am »
This is an alternate kind of option for start up deck. Thanks for posting your idea.
BTW, How to arrange time, aether, gravity and entropy? Will that be
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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323594#msg323594
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2011, 06:54:41 pm »
i like the idea and would love to see more also make another one based on the cycle to that would be neat
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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323603#msg323603
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2011, 06:59:56 pm »
I've been thinking about this also. But I wasn't sure about the basic concept.... How should we built starter decks? Is there a format or something which should be kept?

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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323606#msg323606
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2011, 07:02:09 pm »
Putting some new cards in the starter decks is a good idea.

But, I don't know why having 6 pairings instead of 12 is a big deal, as there's no synergy in the said pairings (except for the current Air-Light, or here Fire-Water). Often, players will get rid of the off-element cards until they can build some new ones.

Having off-element cards is a good idea, as it helps to discover synergies between elements, but why choose these 12 specific pairings among the 132 possible ones ? We can imagine that the player chooses his/her primary element and receives a random off-element, or chooses both, etc.

If I remember correctly, the starter decks were already like this since before the free Metamorphosis. Now we can even think of starter deck with a different mark than the element chosen. The starter decks just have to be... poor, while helping the new player discovering the different play styles of the elements.
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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323612#msg323612
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2011, 07:06:10 pm »
Putting some new cards in the starter decks is a good idea.

But, I don't know why having 6 pairings instead of 12 is a big deal, as there's no synergy in the said pairings (except for the current Air-Light, or here Fire-Water). Often, players will get rid of the off-element cards until they can build some new ones.

Having off-element cards is a good idea, as it helps to discover synergies between elements, but why choose these 12 specific pairings among the 132 possible ones ? We can imagine that the player chooses his/her primary element and receives a random off-element, or chooses both, etc.

If I remember correctly, the starter decks were already like this since before the free Metamorphosis. Now we can even think of starter deck with a different mark than the element chosen. The starter decks just have to be... poor, while helping the new player discovering the different play styles of the elements.
I really like the idea of choosing your off element, i might have to make 12 off element options and 12 main element options
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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323689#msg323689
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2011, 08:30:16 pm »
The fire deck costs ~1300 :electrum while others cost ~900 :electrum. IMO the balance of deck cost also needs to be taken into account.
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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323690#msg323690
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2011, 08:32:09 pm »
Question: Why starter decks?
If I had the ability to change the starter cardpool, I'd give them at least 60 cards, if not 100.

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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323706#msg323706
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2011, 08:57:39 pm »
Question: Why starter decks?
If I had the ability to change the starter cardpool, I'd give them at least 60 cards, if not 100.
Hmmm thats a good idea.
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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323715#msg323715
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2011, 09:04:57 pm »
Question: Why starter decks?
If I had the ability to change the starter cardpool, I'd give them at least 60 cards, if not 100.
Because it lengthens average play duration. (same reason as why Rares and Grinding exist)
Also 60 cards would lead to newbs using 60 card decks.
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Re: Mangoes Alternate Updated Starter Decks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25383.msg323716#msg323716
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2011, 09:07:20 pm »
You broke the poll numbers. We can't change votes anymore.

 

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