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Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg303502#msg303502
« on: April 01, 2011, 10:41:33 pm »
NAME:
Chandrasekhar's Limit
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
:gravity :gravity : Collapse (Sacrifice)
Opponent gains a Nova.
This card bursts out in a
Black Hole.
NAME:
Chandrasekhar's Limit
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
-
TEXT:
:gravity : Collapse (Sacrifice)
Opponent gains a Supernova.
This card bursts out in a
Black Hole.
ART:
HST, NASA (Hubble); Reference: The High-Z Supernova Research Team (http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/supernova//highz/figures/pictures.html)
IDEA:
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NOTES:
If you may wonder what Chandrasekhar Limit is, look it up in :Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chandrasekhar_limit):

Permanent.

Mechanics based on Unstable Gas, with the one turn delay in ability use.


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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg303588#msg303588
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2011, 12:57:45 am »
Easy healing!

I was thinking about this, but as a creature (Star) that grows to a certain hp and gives nova to yourself and bh to opp. This is a much simpler idea.

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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg303730#msg303730
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2011, 08:28:28 am »
What do you mean by " This card bursts out in a Black Hole " ?


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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg303751#msg303751
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2011, 09:02:38 am »
It means: Right after the opponent gaining the Nova/Snova the card acts as the Black Hole spell and gets destroyed (no reuse).

It is meant as a healing permanent, something like the mix of a "twisted Sanctuary" and Unstable Gas. Unupgraded it heals the minimum of 12HP, and drains/heals +2 qunta/per element; while upgraded the minimum of 24HP, but drains less of the opponent's original quanta in exchange of a lower triggering cost. So if you want to use it more of a 'quanta-control', you're better off with the unupgraded, but have to pay for it more. Your opponent will never benefit from the Novas gained. Also Sanctuary completely neutralizes the effect.

Off: No, Nik, I'm from Hungary, but Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar was a nobel-prized Indian-born astrophysicist.
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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg303773#msg303773
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2011, 09:57:09 am »
"You gain X HP, your opponent loses Z quantum of each element."

Seems like that would be much better text, particularly for balance, but the intrinsic thematic properties of your card are pretty sweet.

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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg303845#msg303845
« Reply #5 on: April 02, 2011, 01:33:11 pm »
I do not see why anyone would use this card. Unupgradedly, this costs 6 quanta while black hole only costs 4. This requires an duo element, while black hole is mono. This has a turn delay before it's ability can be used, while black hole is cast instantly. This refunds 12 quanta to the opponent, while black hole doesn't give refunds at all. Both cards require gravity.

Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg303855#msg303855
« Reply #6 on: April 02, 2011, 01:47:51 pm »
The thing is that you gain a guaranteed 12[24 upped] hp, plus a bh.

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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg304030#msg304030
« Reply #7 on: April 02, 2011, 06:51:35 pm »
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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg304054#msg304054
« Reply #8 on: April 02, 2011, 07:11:48 pm »
I do not see why anyone would use this card. Unupgradedly, this costs 6 quanta while black hole only costs 4. This requires an duo element, while black hole is mono. This has a turn delay before it's ability can be used, while black hole is cast instantly. This refunds 12 quanta to the opponent, while black hole doesn't give refunds at all. Both cards require gravity.
Ninjamaster has already answered your question, Vara (thanks ninja). The card's main function is one-time healing. The effect of Black Hole only plays a role *if* your opponent has quanta in two or more elements, though it is still limited. First, he will gain a nova/supernova, you're right, but it will not benefit him/her in any way, as it will be drained the very moment it is cast; that is where the healing effect comes from. As I said before in the spoilered note section, it can be used as a form of quanta control, but there are more efficient ways for that - the unupgraded version can drain up to  the maximum of 2 from each of the opponent's original quanta, while the upgraded just a single point from each. The relatively high cost of the card is based on these two combined effects, and Entropy's possibilities in mono settings. You'd need a highly specialized/dedicated deck to bring it's quanta-denial to a full effect.

Does it needs rewording? I'd think it's pretty self-explanationary, but I can try, if it's not clear enough.
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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg304077#msg304077
« Reply #9 on: April 02, 2011, 07:32:41 pm »
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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg304412#msg304412
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2011, 02:21:54 am »
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Re: Chandrasekhar's Limit | Chandrasekhar's Limit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=23799.msg304471#msg304471
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2011, 04:11:17 am »
Hey, just noticed that the description of the unupped card and the card itself don't match. The card says Nova and the description says Supernova.

 

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