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Elven Enclave | Álfheim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20795.msg264510#msg264510
« on: February 05, 2011, 03:26:59 am »
NAME:
Elven Enclave
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3 :life
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All enemy creatures get -1|-1 until next turn if you played an Emerald Tower or Pillar this turn.
NAME:
Álfheim
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All enemy creatures get -2|-1 until next turn if you played an Emerald Tower or Pillar this turn.
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NOTES:
Pretty straightforward, I think, but after some thinking, I've decided to go with this: The card itself (Enclave or Alfheim) would stack the effect, but multiple pillars played in one turn would not (with the exception being you've played an Emerald Pillar and an Emerald Tower this turn, in which case the effect would activate twice). The effect would wear off at either the beginning of your next turn or the end of your opponent's. Costs are low as I can see this card becoming useless in later stages of a match.
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Re: Elven Enclave | Álfheim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20795.msg264517#msg264517
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 04:03:38 am »
Does it stack? Either for Towns or if you play more than one pillar per turn? It seems fine if it doesn't...

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Re: Elven Enclave | Álfheim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20795.msg264566#msg264566
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 06:02:03 am »
Yes, it would stack.
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Re: Elven Enclave | Álfheim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20795.msg264568#msg264568
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 06:08:06 am »
Would these -1s be able to kill a creature or drive its attack into negatives? Also, does it stack with multiples of the card, multiple pillars played, or both?

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Re: Elven Enclave | Álfheim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20795.msg264576#msg264576
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 06:18:39 am »
Would these -1s be able to kill a creature or drive its attack into negatives? Also, does it stack with multiples of the card, multiple pillars played, or both?
Not as straightforward as I'd thought, I guess. Good questions, tho.

    This card can kill creatures. If my opponent has a bunch of Malignant Cells in play, and I toss this out
before I play my Emerald Pillar, all those Cells go phhbblt.Attack could, I suppose, be brought into Antimatter realm. Hm. I'll say no until shown a good reason otherwise."Homes" would function as Eclipses. The permanent wouldn't stack, but its effect would.[/list]
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Re: Elven Enclave | Álfheim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20795.msg264778#msg264778
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2011, 04:45:05 pm »
This is a really interesting idea, there hasn't been a card that activates by playing a Pillar/Tower.
It's just my opinion, but maybe you should increase the cost because it acts as a form of CC and it's a permanent.

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Re: Elven Enclave | Álfheim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20795.msg265458#msg265458
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2011, 02:15:05 pm »
Y'know after taking a fresh view at this card, I may have to rethink the stacking...I'd like to see what others think, as well.

My thoughts are that this would probably do better if it (a) stacked inversely to how it is now (as in, if you play a Pillar/Tower with two Enclaves out, the -1|-1 applies twice, but the effect doesn't reapply if a second Pillar or Tower is played); and (b) if it could drive attacks into the negative (this only makes sense to me if the former change is implemented). This would allow for a softer treatment of CC as well as keeping the casting cost on the low end of the scale.

Of course, there's always the option of having it not stack at all. I guess it could work as a backwards sort of Eclipse in that regard.

I'm a bit uncertain with this one. This is my first time working within the confines of "stack mechanics".
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Re: Elven Enclave | Álfheim https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20795.msg270787#msg270787
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 05:37:07 pm »
I know I know, double posting. I apologize but I've done some thinking about this card and I'd like to see if the community thinks this is viable or no. Please see the updated NOTES section of the table for more information. Any input in regards to stacking effects is appreciated.
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