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Raise Ancestor | Raise Ancestor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg246385#msg246385
« on: January 13, 2011, 03:38:12 am »
NAME:
Raise Ancestor
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
3 :death
TYPE:
Spell
TEXT:
Reduce your current Health by 50%.
Gain +30 max Health.
NAME:
Raise Ancestor
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
2 :death
TYPE:
Spell
TEXT:
Reduce your current Health by 50%.
Gain +30 max Health.
ART:
http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1172374
IDEA:
Kakerlake
NOTES:
50% Are round up. So if you use this Spell with 1 HP, you lose.
+30 max Health will also heal yourself for that ammount.

This spell is best used with low health, since if you use it when you have 100 health, you actually have less health after the spell.

update:
Cost now 3/2 istead of 5/4
Upgraded also gives 30 instead of 40 hp
Name changed to "Raise Ancestor" ("Last Stand" before)

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Re: Last Stand | Last Stand https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg246390#msg246390
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 03:51:09 am »
I think the picture and name are pretty random, but the mechanic is nice.  Life/Death duo

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Re: Last Stand | Last Stand https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg246522#msg246522
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2011, 09:09:47 am »
Thats actually more correct than you might imagine^^

The Effect was there in my Idea but I had no clue how to name it. Last stand seemed somewhat compatible with the effect, since it's better used with low health.
While searching for a picture, I stumbled upon this one while browsing through sxc.hu
Seemed somewhat fitting as well.

But if anyone has a better name / pic for it, suggestions are very welcome!

Re: Last Stand | Last Stand https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg247008#msg247008
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 01:17:46 am »
The first time reading this card I was confused as to why you would use this end game, since you'd be dead before you regained the health to make the most of the max health. While I suppose it should have been obvious considering the fact that it is named 'Last Stand', and all the other Max HP spells also raise your HP, it confused me for a while so I suppose it could confuse a newer player who sees it in the bazaar.
Personally I like the image, I think it's pretty cool that the last stand is grabbing out towards the sun (even though it's a death card). Slightly ironic, but I think it works. I'm not sure everyone would agree, but I wouldn't mind some death/light friendship.
However, I'm not 100% sure about the name. Death is invietable, and I'm not sure it would be a death card that would try to cheat it. However if we changed either the name or the element I wouldn't get to rant on about how great the image is, (It's awesome) so keeping it seems the best solution.
I'm thinking this could work very well in a life/death with aflatoxin and bonds, since you'd lose health early game, then be able to regain it and have more Max HP for after you've saved yourself. (Makes full use of both parts of it, interesting card works in interesting deck)
In terms of balance, I would probably change the upgraded version back to 30 health, 40 seems like a lot to me. It would also make this cheaper, and if you really are about to die you don't want to worry about quanta.
Nice Card. Nice Image :)

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Re: Last Stand | Last Stand https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg247068#msg247068
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 02:32:06 am »
Thanks for the feedback, I'll add the information about maxhealth to the opening post.

Concerning the name, I'm open for any suggestion. As I said before, the name is more a random coincidence and may be changed for a better one anytime... I still haven't had the genuine idea of a name though.

40 health is really quite a lot, I'll change that back to 30. Also prices will be lowered to 3/2 to match the life spell Heal.

I wouldn't want to change the element of the card. but for the tematics to fit, maybe something like this could work:
Raising an ancestor who fights for the same cause. reviving (zombifying if you like) costs your lifeforce but will give you more meatshield. Doesn't matter if you die as long as your ancestor can continue.
it's too late to strain my brain more. i'll try to figure that one out tomorrow. changes will be updated then as well.

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Re: Raise Ancestor | Raise Ancestor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg249945#msg249945
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2011, 09:52:55 am »
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-Fix the discrepancies in the TEXT section of your table (It should say, "Reduce your current Health by 50%.", rather than "Reduce your current HP by 50%." to match the card image)



Personally, Last Stand makes more sense for this card in terms of aesthetics, but the Death thematic is decent I suppose. ^^; I wonder if something akin to 'Withering Heart' would make more sense... bah, just ignore that suggestion. :)

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Re: Raise Ancestor | Raise Ancestor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg249975#msg249975
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2011, 10:54:15 am »
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-Fix the discrepancies in the TEXT section of your table (It should say, "Reduce your current Health by 50%.", rather than "Reduce your current HP by 50%." to match the card image)
How could I possibly have missed that o.O
anyway, fixed.

Personally, Last Stand makes more sense for this card in terms of aesthetics, but the Death thematic is decent I suppose. ^^; I wonder if something akin to 'Withering Heart' would make more sense... bah, just ignore that suggestion. :)
I already broke my head a couple of times over the name. I'll just start a poll to see what others think would be best.
As for Withering Heart, that sounds rather like the opposite. Reduce max health and miracle yourself. Probably adding some poison counters as well.

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Re: Raise Ancestor | Raise Ancestor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg250076#msg250076
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2011, 01:58:46 pm »
Pact with the Death

You make a pact so that death takes your current lifeforce but makes you potentially stronger.

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Re: Raise Ancestor | Raise Ancestor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg250113#msg250113
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2011, 02:44:48 pm »
Pact with the Death

You make a pact so that death takes your current lifeforce but makes you potentially stronger.
Sounds interesting.
"Pact with the Death" is a bit long so "Death's Pact" would be better.
I'll add it to the poll ^^

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Re: Raise Ancestor | Raise Ancestor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg250115#msg250115
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2011, 02:48:19 pm »
Thanks :) and yeah, Death's Pact sounds cooler :)

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Re: Raise Ancestor | Raise Ancestor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg252583#msg252583
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2011, 03:22:30 pm »
Oh geez... seems that you forgot to add something. :(

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-Your card image is missing the 'Spell' icon in the bottom half right-side of the picture (the lightning symbol)

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Re: Raise Ancestor | Raise Ancestor https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19403.msg252601#msg252601
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2011, 03:44:02 pm »
Oh geez... seems that you forgot to add something. :(

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