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Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240268#msg240268
« on: January 04, 2011, 12:50:38 pm »
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not recommended but I have beaten fgs with this, once in 7 turns, quite a few in 8 turns, and a bit more in 9 turns, naturally the fgs either couldnt deal enough damage or they drew crap, but ya, best destroyer rush out there
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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240297#msg240297
« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 02:11:45 pm »
Fair warnning, calling something the best is a little cocky, and you will get lots of doubtful people.
Tell me did you keep any stats with this deck?

Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240317#msg240317
« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 02:52:56 pm »
so? a lot of lava destroyer rushes out there can beat FGs
kevkev60614 once made one that beat every FG...

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240330#msg240330
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 03:05:05 pm »
ttw = 5.82 for the 50 games i tested
vamp daggers help prevent death from other rushes
precogs speed up everything overall, being pillarless/towerless, you rely on having both a ball lightning and cremation in your opening hand, but if you dont have that, but you have a precog, on your second turn you are drawing 2 cards increasing your chances of getting what you need.  so not only can it be really fast, with the capability of 4 turn wins, but it can recover quickly from bad starting hands.

idiot, this deck can beat them all too, it would all depend on getting the perfect starting hand, and the fg not getting any cc at all, plus not doing more than 100 dmg before you get the 200 in, i guess your name speaks true

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uh no, majority, including this one, of all rush decks will lose 19/20 times due to no defense, because rushes are made to rush, not to stall, thanks, dont come again : )

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240332#msg240332
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2011, 03:05:52 pm »
Fair warnning, calling something the best is a little cocky, and you will get lots of doubtful people.
Tell me did you keep any stats with this deck?
this. also, not a big fan of decks so prone to bad draws.
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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240334#msg240334
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2011, 03:09:23 pm »
I said they can, which means, despite bad win rate, they can...

vNG is an example...
kevkev's deck I already mentioned is another
and so on and so on, I just don't like you blatantly calling this the "best", since you are so good at lava rush, then why aren't you the master of fire?

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240353#msg240353
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 03:57:59 pm »
Nofor this deck. It is not best, not at all. It is so simple and no strategy included...whats the point of this deck? I mean, vNG, V2, DEMA, even my rush...they all can beat FGs.
Also, totally agreed with TheIdiotocIdiot.

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240424#msg240424
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2011, 06:12:00 pm »
the fact that is can beat ai3's and t50's in 4-6 turns regularly should be enough.  i never claimed this to be an fg farming deck, i merely stated that i have beaten fgs with it and i dont recommend using it for fgs.  why the focus on fgs is beyond me.  i take it all you fools use ccyb.

@lukce
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It is so simple and no strategy included...whats the point of this deck?
WOW!!
You answered your own question.
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whats the point of this deck?
because
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It is so simple and no strategy included
idiot jr ^^

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since you are so good at lava rush, then why aren't you the master of fire?
see my post count?
if not, look harder, and you figure out why i am not even in the trials

if youre not going to bother reading (and understanding) what is written, please do not respond

I claim this to be the best, because many, many times have I faced another lava rush deck and I have won, even after getting a bad hand.  Why did I win?  Because of the precogs and vamp daggers.  This deck is just slightly faster because of the precogs, and it does all of 1 damage less a turn compared to the ones using gavels.  Very rarely do I leave the opponent at 1 hp with this deck, so gavels are not needed, the vamp daggers will actually help beat other rush decks.

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this. also, not a big fan of decks so prone to bad draws.
dont use it then??  i dont understand why you posted just to say that : /

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240427#msg240427
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2011, 06:16:11 pm »
Nofor this deck. It is not best, not at all. It is so simple and no strategy included...whats the point of this deck? I mean, vNG, V2, DEMA, even my rush...they all can beat FGs.
Also, totally agreed with TheIdiotocIdiot.
Since when do Cremation rushes require a strategy to be the "best"?

Now for the rest of these comments, guys calm down.  I understand disbelieving that something is really the best at anything, but now that bucky has provided hard evidence to support his claim now we must take that information and compare it with the facts.  V2, the fastest straight up Cremation Rush, at this point in time has a TTW of 5.887 for 200 games.  So the 5.82 received here at least suggests that this deck has the potential to be the best, but only 200 games can truly confirm that.
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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240429#msg240429
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2011, 06:17:55 pm »
Oh hey look, a shitstorm.

Well, Mr. Deckmaker, what proof do you have that this is the fastest Lava Destroyer Rush?

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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240432#msg240432
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 06:21:11 pm »
fastest? maybe, but i would gladly lose a bit of speed for much preferred permanent control.  ;)
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Re: Best Lava Destroyer Rush https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18846.msg240433#msg240433
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2011, 06:24:17 pm »
Guys bucky1andonly is a long time player and experienced deck builder.  Please show him and his deck just a bit of respect.

Now to the deck.  My only concern here is that the deck needs 58 :fire quanta and only 54 is supplied from cremeation.  Otherwise, it looks like a fun deck.

 

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