Lava Golem subbing for kevkev60614 (Fire General) 2-0 nilsieboy (Water General)

[lava golem]

Our rematch:

We used the same decks:

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Bad luck for nilsieboy for round 1, only drew 1 pendulum and didn't get a permafrost 

Second round he got a permafrost down, which slowed me down a lot. I fractalled at the end for the win.

Sorry for your bad luck in this round's matchup nilsie.

Good games.

[nilsieboy]

yea i'm pretty sad about losing this one.
when i tested it it won about 65% against almost exact the same build...
neptune doesn't like me today

[guy_fawkes]

a non-General member using upped cards?
yeah right...

[home_wreckaz]

Guy_fawkes, please read the other thread concerning the duel between kev and nilsie, mainly the one that's 6 pages long, this is posted by SG on page 5.

Interesting situation. I have decided to step in and fix this.

Reading at the comments from objective veteran players, especially the testimony by jmdt, it's clear that kevkev was present when their match was supposed to happen but nilsieboy wasn't. For me, this is a big thing. It's not always easy to organize matches during those 3 days, and if one person doesn't show up during that one time that both agreed to be there, all future "flip-a-coin" decisions will be made against the person who didn't show up. There has to be a "penalty" for not showing up and wasting the time of others.

What makes it interesting is that not only nilsieboy didn't apologize for not showing up, but he is even denying the whole thing happening and telling a totally different story of how he somehow was "in the other room". The problem is that it contradicts what others are saying. In other words, it's a lie.

The fact that nielsieboy used upped cards while replacement couldn't, is pretty ridiculous. Had both used unupped cards, I might have been happy with the result, but the fact that team was basically penalized for nielsieboy not showing up when agreed, is something I feel I need to fix if I want to look at myself in the mirror in the morning.

ddevans is not to blame here because this situation was unique, and there isn't really any guidelines for Warmasters on how to deal with this. I should probably write some detailed guidelines so that we can avoid this kind of thing happening again.

About this screenshot: http://d.imagehost.org/0792/water_match.jpg . I don't know how much after the desync it was taken, but looking at the screenshot, it's highly likely that team would have won. So it is possible that team might have been robbed of a victory they deserved, but since we can never know for certain, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that nilsieboy didn't show up when agreed, and later "modified the truth" about that. That's all the proof I need really.

Part of me would like to give team the win, but since there is always some doubt on what really happened and what would have happened, I will give both teams a chance.


Here's what's going to happen:

- The duel will be fought again using the same exact decks
- both players can use 6 upped cards
- any member of team can substitute AND use those 6 upped cards (because kevkev already showed up once)
- team uses default substitution rules
- winner cannot salvage any cards (because round 5 opponents have been posted already)

You need to finish this match before round 5 deckbuilding ends, preferably at least 24 hours before it does, to give the losing team time to discard.

Needless to say that if mysterious desyncs happen, I advice both parties to take screenshots. We will use those screenshots to pick a winner if we have to.

This matter has now been resolved. Further discussion, while allowed, will not make any difference. It's up to Elemental Gods now to decide who gets a better hand and wins. Good luck to both.

Edited to emphasis the important portion of the post.

[lava golem]

a non-General member using upped cards?
yeah right...

SG said this was a unique event, not everyone is sure what really happened, so we just rematch.

[Hyroen]

Wow and we won even though...

your deck worked probably way better without upgrades.

Good job Lava golem, justice was done. Thank you ScaredGirl.

I wonder what Guolin would've done.