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Trimming a Semi-upped Ivalmian's Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg194030#msg194030
« on: November 05, 2010, 09:34:04 am »
Hello hello, new poster here. The deck I am playing with is a, as the title states, semi-upped Ivalmian's Rainbow, with modifications that I may wrongly believe attempt to make up for it not being completely upgraded. The deck is as follows:

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But back to the main topic, my False God deck's tendency to lose electrum very very slowly, I cannot work toward upgrades, which is obviously less than optimal. I'd like some help trimming it or modifying it to push it over that barrier that will allow me to have a net gain of electrum.

My current False God victories are primarily against Neptune (almost all), Fire Queen (usually), Elidnis (usually), Ferox (almost all), Miracle (almost all), Decay (usually) and Paradox (this is borderline). I've managed to beat Gemini, Chaos Lord, Destiny, Incarnate, Morte, Scorpio on one or more occasions. These tend to be tough fights, some are tougher than others. I don't recall winning against Dream Catcher, but I probably did at some point. I don't recall winning against Obliterator, but I probably haven't. I've won precisely once against Hermes (Weird game where he was unable to play anything for a long time), Graviton (Early steal against his shield), Rainbow (I don't really know how this one happened. I was somehow able to get the proper combo going), Octane (Everything moved fast enough that I was able to start healing the damage from his Unstable Gas), Divine Glory (Really tense game, came down to the last turn when he finally broke my Bone Shield with about 7 weapons on the field and one in the weapon slot. I killed him that turn) and Osiris (Early Quinted Oty before he got more than 5 Scarabs AND early steal against his early Eternity). I've never won against Dark Matter, Eternal Phoenix or Seism, for reasons I assume are obvious.

Available in my card pool is all weapons, most of which have copies but none of which are upgraded other than the Morning Glory I got from my Divine Glory win. Other rare cards that I have seen included in this deck form that I have: 3 copies of Arctic Octopus and a Permafrost Shield because Neptune is one of the easiest FGs for this deck. Multiple Miracles, none of which are upgraded. 2 Animate weapons. 1 Explosion. A third Feral Bond. A third Graveyard. A second Firefly Queen. A Grey Nymph, which I thought I'd mention here just to tell you I had it. Thanks for your time.

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Re: Trimming a Semi-upped Ivalmian's Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg194132#msg194132
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2010, 02:01:53 pm »
i would take out one of the graveyards  and switch the other one for a boneyard, you don't really need it upped since there really just mutation fodder.
i would switch the dimensional shield for a permafrost.
maybe add in another hourglass and sundial?
i would also remove three pillars the dissapation field supernova, and possibly the shard. do all of those really help. i mean by the time you play the dissipation shield you should have more then enough quanta, don't really need those few extra towers.
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Re: Trimming a Semi-upped Ivalmian's Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg194141#msg194141
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 02:38:48 pm »
I'd exchange that supernova for anything else, specially if you can get another SoG.

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Re: Trimming a Semi-upped Ivalmian's Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg194225#msg194225
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 06:19:45 pm »
I made the following changes:
-1 Dimensional Shield
-2 Graveyard
+1 Boneyard
+1 Permafrost Shield
-1 Dissipation Shield
-1 Quantum Pillar

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Then I played a game against Gemini, which I won due to early Rain of Fire + Easily playable Boneyard, which means that the modification helped directly. However, I really felt the lack of a second boneyard. I was constantly running out of devouring material for my double Otyugh to maintain the bone wall (Since I only have 3 Quintessences, I use FFQ/Double Oty instead of my normal FFQ/Oty/Druid vs Gemini for fear of his Twin Universe spam which he saves up for). When Gemini did his final Twin Universe attack, I didn't have enough creatures on the field to get an EM. What is the philosophy behind removing the second Graveyard instead of replacing it with a Boneyard?

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Re: Trimming a Semi-upped Ivalmian's Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg194306#msg194306
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 08:13:59 pm »
because you don't need to use the second oty to devour things, its there only to help get it more early on.
you could also try a second rain of fire.
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Re: Trimming a Semi-upped Ivalmian's Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg195293#msg195293
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 09:50:17 pm »
The issue I was having without the second boneyard was the inability to fill my field to power Feral Bonds. Double generating is useful to get my life total back up after it gets dangerously low since Miracle seems to cost too much for me.

After a bit more fighting against False Gods and fidgeting around with the deck, I made the following changes:
+1 Shard of Gratitude
+1 Sundial
+1 Steal
+1 Boneyard
Switched in a Quantum Tower for a Pillar

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Re: Trimming a Semi-upped Ivalmian's Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg195424#msg195424
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2010, 12:50:49 am »
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Re: Trimming a Semi-upped Ivalmian's Rainbow https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15199.msg196617#msg196617
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2010, 03:10:09 pm »
Upping some of those pillars will help you a little with bad draws, so that the size of your deck won't matter that much.

 

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