Emerald Tiger | Elite Emerald Tiger

[EmeraldTiger]

NAME: Emerald Tiger ELEMENT: Life COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 2|3 TEXT: Hunt: Select target 25% chance to Devour target next round.  Add 5% per kill.	NAME: Elite Emerald Tiger ELEMENT: Life COST: 5 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 3|3 TEXT: Hunt: Select target 35% chance to Devour target next round.  Add 5% per kill.

ART: EmeraldTiger IDEA: EmeraldTiger NOTES: This uses Devour Rule. it can't be 100% successful to start with because creatures learn how to hunt.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I'd say it's severely UP.
Otyugh has more hp, lower cost, lower ability cost, more favorably type of ability cost, faster and more reliable devour.

In every way Otyugh is better, maybe reduce playing cost to 4(unupped), 3(upped), increase devour % to 100% (so it's just devour), decrease ability cost to 1?

[Uppercut]

I'm fine with it. I don't think life should be able to devour as efficiently as gravity. Why darkness though?

[EmeraldTiger]

stealth it is needed when hunting.

[OldTrees]

Emerald Tiger
2 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +2 [Devour] * .5 [Chance Sucess] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity]
=2

Elite Emerald Tiger
3 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +2 [Devour] * .65 [Chance Sucess] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity] -2 [Max upgraded bonus]
=1.3 round to 2

The above is my estimation. I would increase the attack and chance sucess to match cost

[AnonymousRevival]

Sounds ironic how darkness and life can be together. Anyways, make it 5 .

[EmeraldTiger]

Emerald Tiger
2 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +2 [Devour] * .5 [Chance Sucess] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity]
=2

Elite Emerald Tiger
3 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +2 [Devour] * .65 [Chance Sucess] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity] -2 [Max upgraded bonus]
=1.3 round to 2

The above is my estimation. I would increase the attack and chance sucess to match cost

OT I always have trouble understanding these algorithms. Please make it simpler.

[OldTrees]

The cost of a creature as determined by PhantomFox's research is equal to the Attack + HP Value + Skill Value + Other Modifiers + Elemental Bonus

HP Value
0 [-1]
1-5 [ 0]
6-7 [+1]
8-9 [+2]
10+ [+3]

The skills are valued at
+1: Gravity Pull, Infection, Vampire, Stone Form, Lobotomize, Lycanthropy, Evolve, and Phoenix’s rebirth
+2: Devour, Paradox, Mutate, Poison, Dive, Heal, Immortality and the status effect, Devourer’s quanta drain passive effect, and Freeze
+3: Hatch adds three quanta to the cost, and growth abilities are also worth three
+4: Spawning
"Lastly, an ability that generates quanta adds one quanta of cost for each quanta generated.  Firefly has one extra quanta of cost, but Rustler adds two."

Other Modifiers
If the skill requires another type of quanta from the creature [-1]
If the skill requires sacrifice of the creature [-1]

Elemental Bonus (all these bonuses are free)
Fire creatures gain +1Atk
Life, Light, Air creatures gain -1Cost
Gravity creatures gain +1HP

I made a mistake in the calculations above I forgot the +3 cost of Devour's growth side effect
The equations should be
Emerald Tiger
2 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +5 [Devour and Both Stats Grow] * .5 [Chance Sucess] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity]
=3.5 round to 4

Elite Emerald Tiger
3 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +5 [Devour and Both Stats Grow] * .65 [Chance Sucess] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity] -2 [Max upgraded bonus]
=3.25   round to 4

[EmeraldTiger]

what would happen if i added the .05 per kill to the chance of success.
as card idea standards go make unupped a little UP and make the upped on target. in this case 5 |4 , am i correct

I will check response later

[OldTrees]

what would happen if i added the .05 per kill to the chance of success.

If you added that then the majority of the Devour attempts would be at 100% for an rough average of .8|.9 or so

Emerald Tiger
2 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +5 [Devour and Both Stats Grow] * .8 [Average Chance Sucess] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity]
=5

Elite Emerald Tiger
3 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +5 [Devour and Both Stats Grow] * .9 [Average Chance Sucess] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity] -2 [Max upgraded bonus]
=4.5    round to 5

[EmeraldTiger]

I lowered the cost of the unupped by 1, I reduced ability cost by 1 i lowered the starting % from 50 to 25 for unupped and 65 to 35 for the upped. added the +5% per kill. it now will take 15 kills to get to 100% for the unupped and 13 kills for the upped. is all that balanced enough?

[OldTrees]

Average Chance Success
Average Chance Success = Sum (Chance Success that turn * Probability to have that Chance) / Turns
Turns starts counting at first use of the ability and assume one use per turn thereafter.

Emerald Tiger

Turns	Average Chance Success
1	0.25
2	0.26
3	0.26
4	0.27
5	0.28
6	0.28
7	0.29
8	0.30
9	0.31
10	0.31
11	0.32
12	0.33
13	0.34
14	0.35
15	0.36
16	0.37
17	0.38

Elite Emerald Tiger

Turns	Average Chance Success
1	0.35
2	0.38
3	0.40
4	0.42
5	0.44
6	0.47
7	0.49
8	0.50
9	0.52
10	0.54
11	0.56
12	0.58
13	0.60
14	0.62
15	0.64
16	0.66
17	0.68

Average Chance Success by Turn and Starting Chance

Turns	25%	30%	35%	40%	45%	50%
1	.25	.30	.35	.40	.45	.50
2	.26	.32	.38	.44	.51	.58
3	.26	.33	.40	.48	.56	.64
4	.27	.34	.42	.51	.60	.70
5	.28	.36	.44	.54	.65	.76
6	.28	.37	.47	.57	.69	.81
7	.29	.38	.49	.60	.72	.86
8	.30	.40	.50	.63	.76	.90
9	.31	.41	.52	.65	.80	.95
10	.31	.42	.54	.68	.83	1
11	.32	.43	.56	.71	.87	1
12	.33	.45	.58	.73	.90	1
13	.34	.46	.60	.76	.93	1
14	.35	.48	.62	.78	.96	1
15	.36	.49	.64	.81	.98	1
16	.37	.51	.66	.83	1	1
17	.38	.52	.68	.85	1	1

I will use the Turn 8 Average Chance Success. (This was mostly an arbitrary choice someone who plays more often would pick a better turn for estimation)

Emerald Tiger
2 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +5 [Devour and Both Stats Grow] * .3 [Average Chance Success] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity]
Balanced Cost=2.5 round to 3

Elite Emerald Tiger
3 [Atk] -1 [Life Bonus] +5 [Devour and Both Stats Grow] * .5 [Average Chance Sucess] -1 [Duo cost] +1 [Devour outside of Gravity] -2 [Max upgraded bonus]
Balanced Cost=4.5 round to 5

The upgraded would be balanced but I think the unupped should cost less.