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« on: August 07, 2010, 12:54:32 am »

Bargain with Darkness
NAME: Bargain with Darkness
ELEMENT: Darkness
COST: 4 :darkness
TYPE: Spell
ATK|HP:
CARD TEXT: Draw 4 Cards. Lose half your
current HP rounded down. If
you have a Mark of Darkness
lose only a third.
NAME: Bargain with Darkness
ELEMENT: Darkness
COST: 3 :darkness
TYPE: Spell
ATK|HP:
CARD TEXT: Draw 4 Cards. Lose half your
current HP rounded down. If
you have a Mark of Darkness
lose only a third.
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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg132733#msg132733
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2010, 12:56:20 am »
OK, but drawing is really most important early on, and its late game you would use this, idk.... i would most likely not use it in my darkness deck.

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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148496#msg148496
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2010, 04:13:28 pm »
No comments on the tweak?
Reduced the cost slightly,fixed the text to relate with the Mark more intuitively.

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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148544#msg148544
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2010, 06:12:29 pm »
The life cost seems a bit too high to warrant paying it.  What about "Draw cards until you fill your hand, paying 5 life for each card."? 

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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148545#msg148545
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2010, 06:13:43 pm »
"Draw cards until you fill your hand, paying 5 life for each card."?
^  This.

Ignore the reducing of Life cost with the Mark of Darkness as well, since that only makes the card more complicated.
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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148557#msg148557
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2010, 06:23:52 pm »
The life cost seems a bit too high to warrant paying it.  What about "Draw cards until you fill your hand, paying 5 life for each card."?
I didn't want to use a method like this because you can break the count when ahead, Ie dump your hand, then fill again. It also allows you to get away cheap while you are already ahead but its useless to you when you're in a pinch. My version can never kill you through damage and has a % cost to weight that means you pay more while you are better off.


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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148559#msg148559
« Reply #6 on: August 29, 2010, 06:29:37 pm »
Filling your hand completely would take 40 life though.  That's nothing to sneeze at.  The main problem I have with it now, is that as a player, I would be very hesitant to play any cards that drain your own life when you're behind.  Especially for only four cards.  If you want to work with percentages, swap out the 5 life per card I mentioned with 5% instead, or something similar.  That's 40% of your health for a full hand.  Perhaps consider making this a permanent?

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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148735#msg148735
« Reply #7 on: August 29, 2010, 11:24:13 pm »
i like the concept of paying for card draws with life, but i agree with the others that the health cost needs to be reduced. 
some alternate mechanics im just throwing it out there-
*sacrificing a creature to get the draw
*reduce player maximum health by # (5, 10, 15?)
*add poison counter to yourself (1, 2, or one for each card drawn?)
*reduce the % to 10% or flat 10 health
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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148739#msg148739
« Reply #8 on: August 29, 2010, 11:30:18 pm »
i like it. and i CAN be used late game. imagine this.
you need to dish out a lot more damage, or you have a high chance of losing.
you need to bank your deck since you have crap right now.
you draw 4 cards out of....lets say 12.
you have a 1/3 of a chance to get the cards you want. increasing your chance of not dying
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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148759#msg148759
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2010, 12:09:47 am »
making it rather situational and not likely to be put into peoples decks.  *i hope i will be in a really bad situation late in the game so i can use this card*
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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148761#msg148761
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2010, 12:10:59 am »
i never said it CANT be used early game. all i did was give a reason that it will be usefull late in the game.
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Re: Bargain with Darkness | Bargain with Darkness https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10792.msg148797#msg148797
« Reply #11 on: August 30, 2010, 01:00:13 am »
well the reason to *not* use it (as is) early in the game is pretty self evident, only leaving your example as a useful situation for this card
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