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Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg131431#msg131431
« on: August 04, 2010, 11:26:03 pm »
NAME:
Fusion
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
3 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
ABILITY:
Combine all copies of target creature into one creature with the combined attack and HP of the fused creatures.
NAME:
Fusion
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
2 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
ABILITY:
Combine all copies of target creature into one creature with the combined attack and HP of the fused creatures.
ART:
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NOTES:
This can be used both offensively and defensively, though it only affects one side of the field.  Offensively, you can combine all your creatures into one mega creature.  Defensively, you can do the same, and then take it down with a Reverse Time, Paradox, or have it negated by a shield (Gravity Shield shines here)
SERIES:
Fusion Series (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10675.0.html)

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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg131478#msg131478
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2010, 12:46:27 am »
Seems very OP. 2 :gravity and 1 :time to get rid of a field full of dragons?

Of course it's not that easy when your opponent uses a number of different creatures and can be countered with immortality (like most CC), but still it's far too cheap (and anyway such an effect should not exist). Most decks depend on a single creature type for main damage so you'd be able to counter most decks with 3 quanta and 2 card combo?

Freeze + Shockwave combo kills only a single creature for 2 cards and 2 quanta.
May the force of the D4HK side be with U ^_^
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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg131480#msg131480
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2010, 12:53:45 am »
Seems very OP. 2 :gravity and 1 :time to get rid of a field full of dragons?

Of course it's not that easy when your opponent uses a number of different creatures and can be countered with immortality (like most CC), but still it's far too cheap (and anyway such an effect should not exist). Most decks depend on a single creature type for main damage so you'd be able to counter most decks with 3 quanta and 2 card combo?

Freeze + Shockwave combo kills only a single creature for 2 cards and 2 quanta.
TU also makes it OP

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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg131610#msg131610
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2010, 04:49:49 am »
So what balancing factors are you suggesting?  Increased cost?  Since it's an anti-fractal in a way, should it drain all :gravity quanta?

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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg131647#msg131647
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2010, 06:53:36 am »
This is very similar to $$$mans aetheric portal...sorry but i guess its different enough that  it doesnt matter.

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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg131704#msg131704
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2010, 11:01:42 am »
Make a limit on targets stats, eg.
- can only be cast on creatures with HP < 5 (of the popular fractal decks only fractal charger is saved... and pests if an eclipse is in play :| ) though still some dragons are vulnerable...
- can only be cast on creatures with cost < 6 (takes care of all popular fractal decks and all dragons (except Leaf Dragon :P ) are safe
- can only be cast on creatures with ATK + HP < something

something along these lines, I guess the cost limit works best.
Still, the Fusion's cost might need an increase, as it is still a better CC than eg. Rain of Fire or Plague. Maybe 5 :gravity / 4 :gravity?



As for the TU, I don't think it's that much of a problem. None of the :aether creatures are good targets for Fusion+TU and to make a good :gravity + :aether deck you'd need a complex combo like (Graviton Guard or Sapphire Charger) + Fractal + Fusion + PU
eventually you'd need a number of similar creatures played + Fusion + PU, so basically an end game combo that only works if you are already in good position.
May the force of the D4HK side be with U ^_^
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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg132447#msg132447
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2010, 03:59:51 pm »
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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg132501#msg132501
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2010, 05:42:39 pm »
Make a limit on targets stats, eg.
- can only be cast on creatures with HP < 5 (of the popular fractal decks only fractal charger is saved... and pests if an eclipse is in play :| ) though still some dragons are vulnerable...
- can only be cast on creatures with cost < 6 (takes care of all popular fractal decks and all dragons (except Leaf Dragon :P ) are safe
- can only be cast on creatures with ATK + HP < something

something along these lines, I guess the cost limit works best.
Still, the Fusion's cost might need an increase, as it is still a better CC than eg. Rain of Fire or Plague. Maybe 5 :gravity / 4 :gravity?



As for the TU, I don't think it's that much of a problem. None of the :aether creatures are good targets for Fusion+TU and to make a good :gravity + :aether deck you'd need a complex combo like (Graviton Guard or Sapphire Charger) + Fractal + Fusion + PU
eventually you'd need a number of similar creatures played + Fusion + PU, so basically an end game combo that only works if you are already in good position.
Good point.

this card would be useful against some denial decks (go from stealing 7+ quanta to stealing 1)

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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg135984#msg135984
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2010, 06:19:24 pm »
Is it just me or is this idea very similar to Chimera? *Waits for the next card in Reliquary* Unless it was created after Chimera. The cost is pretty low right now, I would consider raising it to 6 / 5

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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg135991#msg135991
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2010, 06:29:29 pm »
From what I'm told, this is hardly a new idea, so I highly doubt Chimera was directly inspired by this.

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Re: Fusion / Fusion (Upgraded) [Gravity Trials] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10669.msg136214#msg136214
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2010, 09:49:42 pm »
No, zanz said he thought of Chimera by his own

 

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