Post by: Jackanory on August 27, 2017, 10:16:15 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on August 27, 2017, 10:18:57 pm
This card was a pet given during a certain April Fools.
Also, related: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/confirmed-bugs/received-ash-as-an-award-from-winning-an-arena-game/
Instead of Holy Cow, Ash was shown(and won).
Post by: Jackanory on August 27, 2017, 10:23:44 pm
Post by: CactusKing on August 28, 2017, 07:04:08 am
It's amazing there's anyone still around who's got one, because the last (and i'm fairly certain, only) distribution event for holy cow was over 7 years ago. Even seeing one of them these days is incredibly rare, but if there's players in both bronze and silver who placed it in their arena decks this could be a chance to obtain a cow of your own!
Do you remember the name of the player you were battling when you saw the cow?
Post by: Jackanory on August 28, 2017, 09:17:11 am
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on August 28, 2017, 10:21:45 am
Post by: dragonsdemesne on August 28, 2017, 11:55:41 pm
Post by: Higurashi on August 29, 2017, 03:05:11 pm
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on August 30, 2017, 03:52:00 am
If anyone can find the username(s), I can look 'em up in the arena mod tool to see if they've done any shady stuff.
The 1-hp Silver Arena deck known as Vindi_NL6 has a Holy Cow in it.
Post by: CactusKing on August 30, 2017, 06:29:23 am
Considering Vindi_NL4 also had the cow in bronze, it would appear to be one person with several accounts who's either been playing with 6 alts for the last 7 years since the cow was released, or a hacker. My electrum's on them being a hacker.If anyone can find the username(s), I can look 'em up in the arena mod tool to see if they've done any shady stuff.
The 1-hp Silver Arena deck known as Vindi_NL6 has a Holy Cow in it.
Post by: phoenix1211 on August 30, 2017, 06:31:26 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on August 30, 2017, 06:31:58 am
or his original account has it and he just played himself in pvp a bunch of times
Post by: dragonsdemesne on August 30, 2017, 07:00:37 am
Considering Vindi_NL4 also had the cow in bronze, it would appear to be one person with several accounts who's either been playing with 6 alts for the last 7 years since the cow was released, or a hacker. My electrum's on them being a hacker.If anyone can find the username(s), I can look 'em up in the arena mod tool to see if they've done any shady stuff.
The 1-hp Silver Arena deck known as Vindi_NL6 has a Holy Cow in it.
I saw one on account #6, but sadly I didn't win it :(
Post by: Higurashi on August 30, 2017, 10:21:28 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on August 30, 2017, 10:28:12 am
Post by: moehrpi on August 30, 2017, 12:05:22 pm
or his original account has it and he just played himself in pvp a bunch of times
I'd assume you can't PvP with it. Same as Ash.
Post by: CactusKing on August 31, 2017, 11:00:07 am
well then just around another 500k games (tbf each lasting 10 seconds only) to go and you're likely to get itThat's nearly two solid months of continuous grinding. GL Higs!
Post by: dragonsdemesne on August 31, 2017, 11:35:18 pm
Post by: Manuel on September 08, 2017, 04:50:20 am
i am pretty sure if we find the cow, he will release the 1.4
Post by: CactusKing on September 08, 2017, 05:53:04 am
trying to find this cow is a test by zanz for testing our faith in him and see if we want farm something newProbably easier to find the guy who has the cow and bring them here.
i am pretty sure if we find the cow, he will release the 1.4
Post by: Vindilos on September 09, 2017, 07:27:28 am
I made 11 alts, 9 of which are in silver and 2 in bronze. All of them are named Vindi_NL.
On my main account, which is a year old, I got 6 hoy cows through pvp from another player.
I made some accounts to fill silver because of the mass NaN issue. I thought it would be fun if some people can still win some special cards.
All of the alts have shard of divinity in them to keep them alive and usually a nymph or a cow.
The cows I could farm from my main account. Want me to remove the cows from my alts decks?
Vindilos
Post by: Herden5 on September 09, 2017, 07:35:21 am
Post by: moehrpi on September 09, 2017, 08:11:13 am
Hi.
I made 11 alts, 9 of which are in silver and 2 in bronze. All of them are named Vindi_NL.
On my main account, which is a year old, I got 6 hoy cows through pvp from another player.
I made some accounts to fill silver because of the mass NaN issue. I thought it would be fun if some people can still win some special cards.
All of the alts have shard of divinity in them to keep them alive and usually a nymph or a cow.
The cows I could farm from my main account. Want me to remove the cows from my alts decks?
Vindilos
Nice to hear from you in person! Personally, I like the idea of farming Holy Cows, it's the only thing right now that keeps me going in PvE. Just keep adding them as soon as your decks drop to 1 HP. ;)
So far I have found the card in your main account as well as your alts #6, #7 and #10. Still, I am a bit disappointed that you can just farm it through PvP...
Edit: OK, not your main account but your first alt. Also, word is your alt #4 has a Cow.
Post by: CactusKing on September 09, 2017, 09:59:07 am
Hi.They were obtained legitimately, I see no reason for you to get rid of them. Thanks for sharing the love!
I made 11 alts, 9 of which are in silver and 2 in bronze. All of them are named Vindi_NL.
On my main account, which is a year old, I got 6 hoy cows through pvp from another player.
I made some accounts to fill silver because of the mass NaN issue. I thought it would be fun if some people can still win some special cards.
All of the alts have shard of divinity in them to keep them alive and usually a nymph or a cow.
The cows I could farm from my main account. Want me to remove the cows from my alts decks?
Vindilos
Post by: Vindilos on September 09, 2017, 01:03:18 pm
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on September 09, 2017, 03:23:57 pm
I added a cow to 5, 8 & 9 aswell. There was also 1 in 11 and in the decks mentioned earlier.
+rep
Post by: Manuel on September 09, 2017, 08:58:37 pm
found 3 vindi's alts
0 cows
lot of :electrum
one alt every 50 matches isn't so bad, it's definitely possible get the cow
Post by: dragonsdemesne on September 09, 2017, 11:02:12 pm
Post by: moehrpi on September 10, 2017, 03:18:42 pm
Earned score: 350k
Played games: 7k ?
Time played: 23 hours ?
Win rate : 75% ?
Games against accounts with Moo: 104 (97-7)
Spins with Moo: 17
Moos won: 0
Chance to win Moo with p=0.05:
in 10 games: 40%
in 20 games: 65%
Post by: phoenix1211 on September 10, 2017, 03:21:47 pm
Post by: moehrpi on September 10, 2017, 03:26:49 pm
What's p? Probability of winning Moo in one spin? Why's it 5%?
Taken from Game Rules (http://elementsthegame.com/rules.html) point three.
You're right it's per spin, not per game, as I mistakenly wrote.
Post by: phoenix1211 on September 10, 2017, 03:59:56 pm
Post by: Vindilos on September 10, 2017, 04:31:32 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on September 10, 2017, 04:49:33 pm
What's p? Probability of winning Moo in one spin? Why's it 5%?
Taken from Game Rules (http://elementsthegame.com/rules.html) point three.
You're right it's per spin, not per game, as I mistakenly wrote.
Unfortunately, it's the chance to win any card, you'd have to divide moos by number of nonpillar cards in the deck on top of it.
(https://media0.giphy.com/media/bcbPzkSCytDH2/giphy.gif)
I have no source, but it makes sense, this is what I was once told how spins work: For each spin randomly select any card of the deck 4 times; if that card is a pillar reroll up to 18 times (lets simplify this to pillars not being spinnable, though it does happen rarely). If there is one moo in 20 nonpillar cards there is about 1/5th chance to get one in the 4 preselected cards. These 4 cards have an equal chance to appear in each of the 3 pictures (which is why having multiples of the card in preselection greatly increases the odds, its crazy unlikely to happen for just 1 copy in deck though). so you have a 1/4^3 chance of getting it, if holy cow made it into the preselection once. We end in a 1/320 chance per spin to win one. Seeing a cow is roughly 50 times more likely however.
Post by: Manuel on September 10, 2017, 06:19:41 pm
Win rate : 75% ?
wait what deck are u using? after 200 games with this
i lost something like 3 matches and em'd probably 95% of decks with 1 hp
Post by: moehrpi on September 10, 2017, 09:40:48 pm
Win rate : 75% ?
wait what deck are u using? after 200 games with this
i lost something like 3 matches and em'd probably 95% of decks with 1 hp
I only play decks with up to ~20 HP. The purpose is to get a very high amount of games in. Earned score however is misleading when you don't include this detail.
Why not SoFree but SoPa?
@kaempfer: I figured that estimate is way off. It should be 4% (1^-5) for a deck with only single copies. This is for 5 instead of 4 pre-selected cards per spin though. I only roughly remember the mechanics from reading them some time ago. The numbers that stuck to my head were 5 (which makes sense) and 50 (dunno) respectively. Sorry, I'm too lazy to look it up but at least have the odds for 5 pre-selected cards: 1/625. Thanks for doing the math!
Post by: kaempfer13 on September 10, 2017, 10:46:27 pm
Post by: Manuel on September 12, 2017, 12:29:28 am
i'm crying
Post by: Jackanory on September 14, 2017, 08:40:13 am
(https://s26.postimg.org/a0yrstl15/Screen_Shot_09-14-17_at_08.33_PM.png) (https://postimages.org/)
and two games later:(https://s26.postimg.org/oktstdi09/Screen_Shot_09-14-17_at_08.47_PM.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Post by: dragonsdemesne on September 20, 2017, 01:25:31 am
Post by: Higurashi on September 20, 2017, 09:23:44 am
That took a hwile. Thanks to Vindi :>
Post by: CactusKing on September 20, 2017, 09:46:16 am
Post by: kaempfer13 on September 20, 2017, 10:04:09 am
Post by: moehrpi on September 22, 2017, 10:32:54 am
(https://i.imgur.com/anQ6k5O.png?1)
That took a hwile. Thanks to Vindi :>
Congratz! How long did you farm for this?
Post by: Higurashi on September 22, 2017, 11:10:21 am
So instead I got it in Silver once the Plat deck was changed to some monofire thing with no cows. At that point he had added 1 cow to several decks in Silver instead of just one deck.
Post by: Vindilos on September 22, 2017, 05:55:34 pm
Post by: moehrpi on September 22, 2017, 09:23:02 pm
Vindi_NL12 also has 6 cows in his deck (in silver). He has double deck size and fractal, so you should see plenty of cows.
And I surrendered to your deck. :-X
Post by: moehrpi on September 26, 2017, 05:55:34 pm
Me.
How much time did you waste to get it?
Plenty. Maybe seven (?) hours alone to go from 1 to 12 copies.
To get that first copy I gained about 600k score. That's roughly equivalent to 40 hours.
Can you duel with it?
Yes.
Will you duel with me?
No.
How much quanta does it cost?
9 Light quanta.
Can you upgrade it?
It is upgradeable into a 'Light Nymph' without slashes. It does count as a separate card (12 Nymphs in a deck \o/), costs 0 quanta, but needs at least one quanta to play. Upon being played it simply disappears, though. It downgrades in spins, as expected.
Is it viable?
No.
Who was the noble benefactor?
Vindi_NL did it for me.
What should we call it?
I asked her and she said 'Moo'.
What's left in the game after acquiring Moo?
PvP World Champion (yeah, right)
in PvE: Ash (this one's even less likely)
AWW YEAH!
Edit: Thanks Vindi!
Post by: Jackanory on September 27, 2017, 06:40:33 am
(https://s26.postimg.org/cm28pt2g9/Screen_Shot_09-27-17_at_07.33_PM.png) (https://postimages.org/)
Post by: Submachine on September 28, 2017, 11:28:48 am
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on September 28, 2017, 11:32:06 am
Yikes. I haven't even gotten a cow yet.
Post by: dragonsdemesne on September 28, 2017, 10:57:54 pm
Post by: Ides Usher on September 29, 2017, 11:41:02 am
Post by: worldwideweb3 on September 29, 2017, 02:48:24 pm
Did you win those Ash cards from me or is there someone else who won Ash cards from me who is also putting them in their arena decks? How many people have won Ash cards in the arena? I have been putting up a nymph farm with my Ash card in it every time my arena deck drops to 1 hp, but no one has ever said that they won one that I know of. How many more Ash cards are out there?
How many times was "ash" said here :P
Post by: killsdazombies on September 30, 2017, 01:35:16 am
I mean, they aren't good, but in certain limited formats, they could see play.
Post by: dragonsdemesne on September 30, 2017, 04:20:41 am
Post by: Submachine on September 30, 2017, 11:30:30 am
Did you win those Ash cards from me or is there someone else who won Ash cards from me who is also putting them in their arena decks? How many people have won Ash cards in the arena? I have been putting up a nymph farm with my Ash card in it every time my arena deck drops to 1 hp, but no one has ever said that they won one that I know of. How many more Ash cards are out there?Not sure. It wasn't any time recently. These cards had surfaced around a year ago and the same farming craze started as right now.
Post by: dragonsdemesne on October 01, 2017, 10:18:57 am
Only took like 250k score of grinding :p
Post by: iancudorinmarian on October 01, 2017, 10:20:33 am
1 Oct 2017, 1:34 PM: Seen a glimpse of a Holy Cow in the spins. The hunt continues.
Post by: Manuel on October 01, 2017, 02:02:56 pm
Post by: moehrpi on October 01, 2017, 03:03:51 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/YHrSEqa.png)
Only took like 250k score of grinding :p
Gratz! If you want to sell her, don't upgrade it first to save money.
Also, there was a newbie in chat (Joinho) who got her in what feels like 100 games total. :o
I've won the same card thrice plenty of times in the past. Even did it against a False God before. :]
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on October 02, 2017, 06:34:00 am
Post by: dragonsdemesne on October 02, 2017, 11:23:32 pm
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on October 03, 2017, 12:55:50 am
Post by: Submachine on October 03, 2017, 11:46:05 am
A lof of Vindi's decks have 1 or more holy cows in them. There's a lot in Silver arena, which is where I got mine.I stumbled across vindiNL11 in Silver. It was a death-light duo with competitive stall. Unsure if it has any cows (haven't seen any, neither in the spins), but not ruling it out.
edit_10.04: VindiNL7 has an Aether-Light duo with 1 HP, serving Immortals and Shards. Nothing else spotted yet.
Post by: Vindilos on October 08, 2017, 10:34:45 am
Vindilos:
1 bugged upgraded light nymph (=upgraded holy cow)
6 holy cows, 0 in deck
Vindi_NL: 1 holy cow, 1 used
Vindi_NL2: 0 cows, 0 used
Vindi_NL3: 0 cows, 0 used
Vindi_NL4: 2 holy cows, 1 used
Vindi_NL5: 2 holy cows, 1 used
Vindi_NL6: 2 holy cows, 1 used
Vindi_NL7: 5 holy cows, 1 used
Vindi_NL8: 1 holy cow, 1 used
Vindi_NL9: 3 holy cows, 1 used
Vindi_NL10: 1 holy cow, 1 used
Vindi_NL11: 1 holy cow, 1 used
Vindi_NL12: 7 holy cows, 0 used
Total: 31 unupgraded holy cows, 9 in decks currently
Want me to add more?
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on October 08, 2017, 11:22:16 am
Post by: worldwideweb3 on October 08, 2017, 11:24:43 am
Why are all of the Holy Cow users have Vindi_NL in their username? Are they just one person using multiple accounts?
Look at the previous post lol
Post by: moehrpi on October 08, 2017, 02:49:47 pm
Want me to add more?
No. :P
Post by: Vindilos on October 26, 2017, 09:24:59 am
Earlier this week I've moved Vindi_NL to gold and today I removed the holy cows from the full top 5 of silver.
This means I only have 5 decks left with holy cows, making the card very difficult to find again.
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on October 27, 2017, 01:12:32 am
I've heard from a lot of people they have gotten a holy cow. Congratulations to those who managed to get one. The more people win this card the less meaning it has, which is the downside.
Earlier this week I've moved Vindi_NL to gold and today I removed the holy cows from the full top 5 of silver.
This means I only have 5 decks left with holy cows, making the card very difficult to find again.
Ugh, that hurts. Does it mean that we can't win it from Silver anymore?
Post by: Manuel on November 27, 2017, 02:25:18 pm
Post by: DoubleCapitals on December 06, 2017, 05:29:58 pm
It's not even actually good. Sad!
(Just to confirm, I had the "1" mana to play it)
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on December 06, 2017, 11:56:29 pm
Post by: dragonsdemesne on December 07, 2017, 12:33:21 am
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on December 07, 2017, 11:25:33 am
Post by: Higurashi on December 07, 2017, 03:33:39 pm
Nightmaring Rays with Solar Shield up seems superior in every way. Except for the moos.
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on December 07, 2017, 05:03:37 pm
Post by: Higurashi on December 07, 2017, 05:42:36 pm
Post by: Vindilos on December 08, 2017, 09:32:05 pm
The current number 1 in gold (Vindi_NL10) has 6 copies since it reached 1 hitpoint. It only has discords, flying weapons, holy cows, divinity shards and 2 pillar types. It still seems to win its matches at 1 hp in gold.
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on December 10, 2017, 03:49:19 am
It is.
Where? I didn't see it anywhere here (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Light).
Post by: dawn to dusk on December 10, 2017, 04:04:57 am
It does, however, have it's own page here (http://elementsthegame.wikia.com/wiki/Holy_Cow).
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on December 10, 2017, 05:36:27 am
Post by: Higurashi on December 10, 2017, 01:15:47 pm
Holy Cow is supposed to be that obscure card that only existed for a day. If it was in the Light section, new players would think their normal collection is incomplete :)
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on December 10, 2017, 01:45:19 pm
Post by: Higurashi on December 10, 2017, 03:06:11 pm
Post by: Monox D. I-Fly on December 10, 2017, 03:40:09 pm
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on January 13, 2018, 05:02:40 pm
According to calculations it should be 2ah, but I need a better source to be 100% sure
Post by: Higurashi on January 13, 2018, 08:28:21 pm
Post by: antiaverage on January 27, 2018, 03:56:32 am
What is the card code for the upped Holy Cow? : D
According to calculations it should be 2ah, but I need a better source to be 100% sure
7kd (consistent with other upped Light cards)
Except looking through the game code it's neither: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/cards/card-code-list-(version-1-324)/msg1098001/#msg1098001
Unupped is 0c1 and there is no upped.
Post by: Higurashi on January 27, 2018, 11:29:26 am
Post by: alexandertz on May 02, 2018, 10:36:03 pm
or his original account has it and he just played himself in pvp a bunch of times
I'd assume you can't PvP with it. Same as Ash.
You actually can. Vindi just gave me 2 Moos from a deck of 24 light pillars and 6 animals.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 27, 2018, 01:30:07 am
What is the card code for the upped Holy Cow? : D
According to calculations it should be 2ah, but I need a better source to be 100% sure7kd (consistent with other upped Light cards)
Except looking through the game code it's neither: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/cards/card-code-list-(version-1-324)/msg1098001/#msg1098001
Unupped is 0c1 and there is no upped.
Curious. Holy Cow shows up in the deck builder as 5lt. Adding the difference of 2000(1ug, Base32) between unupgraded cards and their corresponding upgrades gives 7kd, which matches Higurashi's code.
In trainer, 5lt gives the AI Holy Cows, and 7kd gives the bugged, stripeless Light Nymph that shows up in normal EtG upon upgrading the cow. I've also tested 0c1 in trainer, it returns a bugged upgraded Aether Pendulum with Chroma Mark instead of Holy Cow. On a side note, using 2ah(0c1 + 1ug) returns a bugged upgraded Seraph.