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Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266246#msg1266246
« on: July 14, 2017, 06:46:21 pm »
Hi, i've been working on a Darkness+Life poisonous deck and i've noticed that whenever I use Adrenaline on Forest Scorpion, the creature shows 4 attacks made but not all of those apply a poison counter to the defending player.

Is this a kind of issue, a bug or maybe the game is not showing the right amount of attacks made?

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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266248#msg1266248
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2017, 06:54:00 pm »
It's a game feature that balances the use of adrenaline with negative effects, such as Devourer or Venom. Creatures that attack 4 times per turn only use their skill twice cuz otherwise it's OP
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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266249#msg1266249
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2017, 06:55:17 pm »
Im not sure whether this is actually mentioned on any of the cards, but most on-attack procs (like the scorpions or devourer) can only happen twice a turn. It gets weirder with acceleration.
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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266250#msg1266250
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2017, 06:57:12 pm »
This is one of those problems that comes when you don't specify effects exactly on the card or in-game somehow. It's intended, but it's not stated why anywhere in the game.
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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266251#msg1266251
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2017, 06:59:36 pm »
This is one of those problems that comes when you don't specify effects exactly on the card or in-game somehow. It's intended, but it's not stated why anywhere in the game.

Eh. You can only have so much space on the cards. *Shrug*
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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266252#msg1266252
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2017, 07:07:31 pm »
Technically, zanz balanced it so that on-attack effects only apply on the first and last attack. This was in part due to the fact that 0-attack creatures actually get 5 attacks with Adren.
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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266253#msg1266253
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2017, 07:11:20 pm »
Forest scorpions are still good targets for Mitosis and Fractal, and adrenaline is a very interesting card anyways. If you want to make 4 poison counters a turn, you can try to Death Stalkers and something that increases their damage (Nightfall, Momentum, etc).
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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266254#msg1266254
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2017, 08:01:31 pm »
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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266257#msg1266257
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2017, 08:30:03 pm »
Wow! Thanks all for the comments. Now i got it :)

Technically, zanz balanced it so that on-attack effects only apply on the first and last attack. This was in part due to the fact that 0-attack creatures actually get 5 attacks with Adren.
I was thinking about that, maybe the description could be something like "adds 1 poison during attack stance" instead of succesfull attack, because if you hit the oponent the attach is successfull and damage is done.

Also, attack 0 creatures don't add poison counters on players and it seems to me pretty expensive to pay 2 :death 4 :life for a 0/1 creature that may proc 2poison twice in a turn if you give +1attack to it. Or not?

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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266258#msg1266258
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2017, 08:52:23 pm »
Also, attack 0 creatures don't add poison counters on players and it seems to me pretty expensive to pay 2 :death 4 :life for a 0/1 creature that may proc 2poison twice in a turn if you give +1attack to it. Or not?
It is indeed a bit expensive if you leave it like that. But the damage ramps up quickly if you pull out the cards. specially with Nightfall, where 1 card makes ALL your stalkers attack. And you can play the  :darkness shield to balance your defense as well. Not many people like trios though, as they are hard to balance quanta-wise. So a stalker deck maybe would be better with no Adrenaline and better add more in-element cards to make a good Duo deck.

For forest scorpions as main cards, I would prefere Fractal. For an adrenaline-based deck... if you have 6 Druidic Staves and Flying Weapons, that's my favourite, next to a rainbow that contains Voodoo Dolls and Acceleration but only for fun in PvP1.

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Re: Adrenaline+Forest Scorpion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64705.msg1266266#msg1266266
« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2017, 02:49:33 am »
Not many people like trios though, as they are hard to balance quanta-wise. So a stalker deck maybe would be better with no Adrenaline and better add more in-element cards to make a good Duo deck.

For what it's worth, trios have been slowly growing in favor as time has passed, at least in certain metagames - since they tend to trade off consistency for combo flexibility and power, exploring them is one of the few ways to make what would be an otherwise stagnant metagame maintain a small amount of movement.
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