Post by: majofa on March 02, 2011, 05:46:54 am
Post by: QuantumT on March 02, 2011, 08:16:04 pm
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Post by: Polari on March 03, 2011, 10:44:43 am
There might be something better, but I went 3-1 against Hecate with this:Code: [Select]4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61v 61v 61v
Strategy is pretty straightforward. Just PU his dolls then antimatter them, with preference given to vampired dolls.
Anyway, I think it's not bad for no rares or upped cards.
Edit: Played 4 more games and I went 3-1 again, making my overall record 6-2. Seems pretty solid.
Post by: deadlyd1001 on March 04, 2011, 02:52:33 am
so i would think that the antimatter deck would work great
Edit; i just got Hecate from the oracle and had an easy win with the Antimatters and Parallel Universes deck (never went below 70 health)
Post by: funerallaughter on March 04, 2011, 07:57:35 am
I just went 4-1 with this:That's pretty brilliant! :OCode: [Select]592 592 592 592 592 592 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t
Post by: 3D House of Beef on March 09, 2011, 07:58:33 am
While cloak is not being targeted, this one has been good for me. Addresses nightmare as well.
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Upped for rich folk.
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Post by: manaboy100 on March 18, 2011, 06:28:03 am
BTW I swapped a PU and a Pend with a Purple Nymph and a Quint, and I drew it on my opening hand , lucky huh?
Post by: chum3 on March 22, 2011, 08:16:16 pm
Post by: b0uncer52 on March 25, 2011, 07:09:12 pm
Post by: ralouf on March 28, 2011, 10:51:07 am
Post by: Waterknight2012 on March 28, 2011, 02:13:35 pm
Post by: darthsumo on March 31, 2011, 03:23:53 pm
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Post by: Avenger on April 17, 2011, 07:40:50 am
Post by: Jappert on April 17, 2011, 08:06:33 am
This upgraded was brilliant, I never dropped below 60 hp and had full control from the start. I did replace two of the dragons with an immortal + aether nymph. Just to have something other to play when you don't have the 13 :aether.Code: [Select]4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61v 61v 61v
TU + AM combo is just wonderfull, Hecate will also waste rage pots to kill your voodoo's/nymphs/oracle pets!
Nice one!
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on April 22, 2011, 12:36:54 pm
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Post by: johannhowitzer on May 03, 2011, 07:17:22 pm
Hecate brutalized me too quickly. Drew only 3 pendulums before death, was able to PU one doll but never got an antimatter out.Code: [Select]4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61v 61v 61v
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on May 22, 2011, 12:55:06 pm
Post by: Chodos on May 25, 2011, 05:36:12 am
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Post by: Jappert on May 25, 2011, 07:23:43 am
OK, I could swear that I have done this correctly before, but I just completely messed up. I don't think I quite get the strategy. Can someone help me out?- When hecate get's a big LS'ed Doll, you PU it. This way you get both healing and a damaging creature.
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- When hecate get's an LS'ed Doll, you Antimatter it (do it after PU if you want to copy it). This way, the Doll will heal you and damage Hecate.
- When you have spare aether quanta, you play a dragon for extra damage!
Post by: Waterknight2012 on June 02, 2011, 07:32:42 pm
Post by: Higurashi on June 04, 2011, 02:33:04 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on June 04, 2011, 02:54:36 pm
Wow. Tried the deck in the OP fully upped (and with an Entropy Nymph) and got rushed. She was clever enough to play an Elixir on one doll at a time (3 out), meaning the single AM I drew in time didn't do much to offset damage. I TU'd my Nymph twice, but an Eclipse saved her ass. I'm gonna add shields if I ever get her again. -_-
Problem with that is Hecate's 4 steals
Post by: Higurashi on June 04, 2011, 02:56:11 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on June 04, 2011, 04:11:05 pm
It seems too slow to get out an antimatter, which is part of why I lost. Going to try with aether pends next time.
Post by: Sevs on June 05, 2011, 06:27:53 pm
Used the deck in the OP, swapped out one pend for another dragon. Drew all four dragons in my opening hand x.xI agree with your idea to use aether pends. I think it works better. although then the dragons cost too much so i would recomend switching to immortals
It seems too slow to get out an antimatter, which is part of why I lost. Going to try with aether pends next time.
Post by: Quaz on June 06, 2011, 09:48:33 am
She used 3 elixirs on 3 different dolls, when i antimatter 2/3 dolls she used eclipse, to lessen my antimatter :o
Then rushed her other dolls (elixir+LS), raping me to death
Post by: Athadeus on June 13, 2011, 09:46:24 pm
However, from my grinding experience, there seem to be a lot of matches where Hecate would get more elixirs and no liquid shadow early so I think I got kind of lucky to have cloned 1 vamp doll on 3rd turn and another on the 4th. Anyways, thanks for the easy spins!
Post by: Genuinous on June 14, 2011, 12:53:04 am
Then I EMd Hecate with CCYB on next attempt :)
Post by: Essence on June 25, 2011, 07:29:03 pm
Here's my current winner:
Pretty straightforward - AMs and Nymphs for the lifegain -- and eventually damage after she tosses LS on her AM'd VDs -- and then Dragons and Quints for the kill. Nothing to it, works about right. You still get outrushed when she draws a perfect hand, but that's not often.
Post by: Rutarete on June 26, 2011, 05:12:33 pm
A significant amount of study has led me to the realization that Hecate will LS a VD even after it's been AM'd. That means that there's no need to wait around until after she LS's before you AM. That's helped my win% with Antimatter decks quite a bit.I've got a Turquoise Nymph. Would you recommend - immortal + Nymph? Or not putting the nymph in at all?
Here's my current winner:
Pretty straightforward - AMs and Nymphs for the lifegain -- and eventually damage after she tosses LS on her AM'd VDs -- and then Dragons and Quints for the kill. Nothing to it, works about right. You still get outrushed when she draws a perfect hand, but that's not often.
Post by: ddevans96 on June 26, 2011, 07:46:50 pm
Post by: LAMA00619 on July 14, 2011, 01:26:47 pm
absolutely horrible deck if he doesn't use any cards!!Code: [Select]4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 4vn 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61v 61v 61v
i just lost 100 hp thanks to a *(censored)* vampiric dagger --> put in 1 shard of healing if you have it !!!!
Post by: ralouf on July 14, 2011, 01:28:22 pm
Post by: Higurashi on July 14, 2011, 01:39:48 pm
Post by: Xenocidius on July 18, 2011, 07:10:08 am
In other news, I still haven't won any cards from Hecate, despite her having one of the highest droprates out of all the Gods.
Post by: umgrego2 on July 25, 2011, 04:25:49 pm
A significant amount of study has led me to the realization that Hecate will LS a VD even after it's been AM'd. That means that there's no need to wait around until after she LS's before you AM. That's helped my win% with Antimatter decks quite a bit.Not true. I just played the strategy/hand that Essence suggested and lost. I had loads of quanta and a quinted Purple nymph on the board. I AM'd the first three rage'd dolls and Hecate put LS on the dolls without rage (i.e. 0/20). So, I got poisoned but no healing/damage in return. Hecate then Rage'd the AM'd dolls, so I was getting no healing from those ones, either. The nightmare and dagger whittled at my health and then with 9 dolls at 0 attck on the board, the eclipse was too much to handle. I AM'd four of them before dying. Hecate still had 100 health.
Post by: umgrego2 on July 28, 2011, 03:52:49 pm
Entropy:(6*8) / (15/2) = 6.4
Aether: (6*7 + 3*13) / (15/2) = 10.8 !!?? (or do you count the mark in that calculation? still comes to (6*7 + 3*13) / (1 + 15/2) = 9.5
Are the dragons necessary? should they be substituted for 3 more entropy pendulums?
2. **EDIT** Well, I've tried a couple of more games and it seems like Hecate will not Elixir the gnome rider nor the otyugh if there are dolls on the table. So, the philosophy on this deck is shot. Is there a creature that could be used to bait the Elixir?
Regardless of the answer to 1, I was curious about trying a different approach to building a no rare, no upgrades deck. There's one thing for sure about Hecate, you will take damage no matter what. So, you need to heal. Antimatter, light cards, empathy bonds, drains, and stone skin are the only way to do this. Which led me to this:
The philosophy is:
- bait his elixirs with cheap cards
- enchanted gravity shield means the doll attacks are blocked, at least until...
- dolls with low health are to be eaten with otyugh, but don't play them until the end of the game, obviously, when Hecate is out of elixirs (unrealistic? another option is to put BB on the few low health dolls)
- stone skin to counteract the inevitable damage
- obviously, this deck doesn't generate damage but looks to deck Hecate out
In the only game I've played with this deck, I lasted 14 turns. That was with wardens instead of gnomes and, for whatever reason, Hecate would not target them with elixirs. I had a rustler pet on the field and Hecate hit that creature, even with a doll in hand. Will a gnome rider get targeted then? Even if it isn't, it's generating that precious stone quanta. Without the redirection of elixirs, I had to start using stone skin too early (<20 quanta). If this deck's creatures could take a few elixirs, it would delay the need for SS and increase its efficiency.
Any thoughts?
I think that I've read that protocol is to not post a deck without effectively testing it, but I've never known how to do that. Seems like the trainer doesn't work? Or am I using the wrong link? http://elementsthegame.net/trainer
Post by: Jappert on July 28, 2011, 04:06:15 pm
The philosophy is:- I don't think unupgraded Otyughs are able to eat alot of dolls. Upgrading them would help ALOT, and even then it'll be only a few low HP dolls they can devour.
- bait his elixirs with cheap cards
- enchanted gravity shield means the doll attacks are blocked, at least until...
- dolls with low health are to be eaten with otyugh, but don't play them until the end of the game, obviously, when Hecate is out of elixirs (unrealistic? another option is to put BB on the few low health dolls)
- stone skin to counteract the inevitable damage
- obviously, this deck doesn't generate damage but looks to deck Hecate out
- Remember if you BB a doll you delay your own weapon (no BB's in your deck btw!)
- You really should test if gnomes get targetted by elixirs, if they don't your entire tactic fails.
- Hecate generally get's too much damage too fast for you to heal with a few SS's
- Can you deck Hecate out with a 39 card deck without eternities?..... (you get a cupcake if you answer this correctly)
Post by: umgrego2 on July 28, 2011, 05:24:21 pm
- Can you deck Hecate out with a 39 card deck without eternities?..... (you get a cupcake if you answer this correctly)Of course he will. Hecate will deck out in {(33 cards x 2 = 66) - 8} / 2 = 29 turns and this deck in 39-8 = 31 turns
Post by: ddevans96 on July 28, 2011, 05:27:26 pm
http://elementsthegame.net/trainerNope, this link doesn't work. Try .com instead of .net
Post by: umgrego2 on July 28, 2011, 07:56:22 pm
Thanks, got it.http://elementsthegame.net/trainerNope, this link doesn't work. Try .com instead of .net
Post by: umgrego2 on July 28, 2011, 08:28:58 pm
Okay, here's my second attempt and this time I have tested it in the trainer:
- get the gravity shield up ASAP. That's why there's four of them. I started playing them even if I didn't have my enchant artifact, because it is so crucial in the early game
- don't play the shriekers willy nilly; they are strictly for creature control. when a doll's health gets dangerously low, play one (or even two at once) and target the doll with a gravity pull. the nice side effect is that that they draw elixir and/or liquid shadow
- try to hold out on playing the stone skins early in the game until the last second
- once you've built up your quantum, keep your hand full (don't bother playing pillars) to avoid nightmare damage
btw, this does win.
Oh, here's a lesson I just learned. Don't play your enchant artifacts on your pillars or else there's nothing for Hecate to steal, so it's hand fills up and it stops drawing two cards at a time. I just decked out this way (Hecate was also at 0 cards)
Post by: Jappert on July 28, 2011, 08:41:52 pm
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7919.0.html
- Select "Import a deck code for the AI to use" in the trainer.
- Import Hecate's deck code.
- Select A False God AI (level 6) will use this deck.
- Test!
Good luck ;)
Post by: Jaymanfu on July 28, 2011, 09:06:06 pm
Okay, here's my second attempt and this time I have tested it in the trainer:Just tried this 10 times in trainer, I liked the concept so I wanted to see how it played out. The problem was that if he gets a fast start and you're missing even 1 card in the combo.... grav shield/protect artifact, or shrieker/gravity pull (when his dolls get to 5 or less) its pretty much instant loss. Even when I managed to get out a PA'd grav shield when he had a slow start, he still burned me through my stone skins early, with vamp dagger, rage pots, and poison damage. all in all I was 0/10 with the deck, I like the idea its just hard to get the full combo, esp when he can win in 4 turns. If there was some kind of steady healing it might be much easier. Good job though
- get the gravity shield up ASAP. That's why there's four of them. I started playing them even if I didn't have my enchant artifact, because it is so crucial in the early game
- don't play the shriekers willy nilly; they are strictly for creature control. when a doll's health gets dangerously low, play one (or even two at once) and target the doll with a gravity pull. the nice side effect is that that they draw elixir and/or liquid shadow
- try to hold out on playing the stone skins early in the game until the last second
- once you've built up your quantum, keep your hand full (don't bother playing pillars) to avoid nightmare damage
btw, this does win.Is there a way in trainer to choose the FG you play agains? Tedious to randomly try and play against Hecate.Edit: figured it out
Oh, here's a lesson I just learned. Don't play your enchant artifacts on your pillars or else there's nothing for Hecate to steal, so it's hand fills up and it stops drawing two cards at a time. I just decked out this way (Hecate was also at 0 cards)
Post by: umgrego2 on August 02, 2011, 06:21:39 pm
Post by: umgrego2 on August 02, 2011, 08:28:32 pm
The sanctuaries supply the necessary healing and block the nightmares. Reverse time eliminates the repeating rage damage and helps you to prevent yourself from decking out. Swarm for the kill.
Once your eternity's on the table, rewind those dolls as much as possible, as it slows Hecate's draw of the dangerous cards. Keep the rewind spell cards for dolls that have received rage.
Unfortunately, his steal targets the eternity over the sanctuaries, so you will have to start rewinding your own creatures when your down to three or four cards. This way, if Hecate steals eternity, you've got breathing room to play your next eternity and wait a turn for its skill to become available.
It's biggest problem is that it eventually allows Hecate to play all of its dolls. With the eclipse, this is a lot of little bits of damage.
Even in a modified version that has sancturies replaced with SoG, Hecate still steals the eternities. This is the second biggest problem with the deck; decking out after Hecate steals all three eternities. (The SoG also allows Hecate to nightmare your hand)
Post by: umgrego2 on August 03, 2011, 04:56:21 pm
This won 6/10:
It's a slight modification, but it makes a difference.
Post by: umgrego2 on August 04, 2011, 01:25:16 pm
Use this post to import FG deck codes in the trainer:Thanks, Jappert!
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7919.0.html
- Select "Import a deck code for the AI to use" in the trainer.
- Import Hecate's deck code.
- Select A False God AI (level 6) will use this deck.
- Test!
Good luck ;)
Post by: gumbeh on August 07, 2011, 08:32:26 pm
author=QuantumTThanks for the inspiration, QuantumT! Easy EM with
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Post by: fable19 on September 03, 2011, 08:53:39 am
Post by: DarkArk on September 09, 2011, 07:30:11 am
i used the OP with swapped pend's and it all worked fine it was just hecate didn't like me
Post by: Holokausti on September 14, 2011, 09:58:43 am
Post by: Xenocidius on September 16, 2011, 07:15:51 am
Post by: Rastafla on October 23, 2011, 02:51:19 pm
A significant amount of study has led me to the realization that Hecate will LS a VD even after it's been AM'd. That means that there's no need to wait around until after she LS's before you AM. That's helped my win% with Antimatter decks quite a bit.This deck have caused 6 straight losses for me with ingame Hecate (not trainer)all due to controlled play of rage pots. Its as if Hecate is being played like a human. Am I just really unlucky or have the AI learned how to counteract AM with rage pots?
Here's my current winner:
Pretty straightforward - AMs and Nymphs for the lifegain -- and eventually damage after she tosses LS on her AM'd VDs -- and then Dragons and Quints for the kill. Nothing to it, works about right. You still get outrushed when she draws a perfect hand, but that's not often.
Post by: Higurashi on October 23, 2011, 03:11:33 pm
Post by: DarkArk on October 24, 2011, 12:48:28 am
in my experience if she has only one doll she wont play more than one pot until she has at least another doll up, or if ive AM'ed one she will play pots on it to bring it back up but afterwards she will spread them out, so i end up having to waste my AM's on 2 attack doll's all the while taking damage from the rage pots,
so yes id say she play's her pots well
Post by: Xenocidius on October 27, 2011, 07:07:39 am
I'm going to say for upped something like this should work:Flawless victory.
(http://i.imgur.com/xKWza.png)
Post by: Torph on November 02, 2011, 02:22:36 pm
couldn't make this work out.
Post by: Van Cleef on November 06, 2011, 07:49:14 pm
Worked great.I'm going to say for upped something like this should work:Flawless victory.
(http://i.imgur.com/xKWza.png)
Post by: macgawel on November 10, 2011, 10:59:58 pm
Trainer => 5/5
Real FG : 1/1.
It's certainly not optimized (built quickly), but with some work it should be good.
Unfortunately, you need at least upped Chaos Powers :-[
Perhaps an unupped :light :time variant should work, with Blessing + Holy light (or even Crusader) ?
Post by: Bhlewos on November 14, 2011, 08:28:12 am
Post by: DoubleCapitals on December 30, 2011, 03:41:03 am
Post by: furballdn on December 30, 2011, 05:37:15 am
Went 0-3 with the AM/PU deck, is there any strategy to it?Wait until she gets a strong doll out (at least 12 atk), PU it, then immediately antimatter it. Congratulations! You now just did 12 damage to Hecate, turned a 12 attacker on Hecate's side into a 12hp healer, and you now have a 12atk attacker.
Post by: oxoKANEoxo on December 30, 2011, 09:42:01 am
Post by: Rember on December 30, 2011, 11:28:02 am
Post by: chum3 on January 05, 2012, 03:16:49 pm
I've tryed this (mostly upped) deck :Just used a fully upped version of this deck against Hecate. Worked for me.
Post by: ashashin on January 23, 2012, 02:18:50 am
Post by: furballdn on February 06, 2012, 02:14:05 am
Post by: ddevans96 on February 12, 2012, 07:52:54 pm
Post by: Higurashi on March 02, 2012, 11:14:31 am
And even despite this, you can easily get low on HP before winning. Can't help but feel there's a more reliable method.. I'll have to experiment later.
Post by: Sevs on March 03, 2012, 01:43:08 am
Since the AM+TU strategy usually fails for me, I decided to get more defence. I've never had trouble with offence, so I'ma post this for myself and others who have the Nymphs to use.i use almost the exact same thing except with entropy mark and aether pends with entropy towers adn pends. i think it works better as well
And even despite this, you can easily get low on HP before winning. Can't help but feel there's a more reliable method.. I'll have to experiment later.
Post by: ralouf on March 12, 2012, 07:17:02 am
Post by: UnderneathTheLens on March 15, 2012, 07:45:12 pm
hmm totally owned him (her?) with this deck too. Should be put in the OP, even if not everyone have 2 purple nymphs.Agreed. Easy win with half unupped and 1 purple nymph.
Post by: Boingo on April 17, 2012, 12:36:58 am
Since the AM+TU strategy usually fails for me, I decided to get more defence. I've never had trouble with offence, so I'ma post this for myself and others who have the Nymphs to use.I thought it looked great, but opening hand with 2 nymphs, 4 TU and a quint means not a lot of quanta support. Couple that Hecate stealing 2-3 pendula in the opening turns and I never stood a chance. I AM'd a vampired Doll before I could TU just for the life-steal but she Raged it out of existence. I realize there is incredible bad luck involved when I can't get more than 4 pendula/towers in the opening 4 turns which made the experience all the more cringe-worthy. Oh well.
And even despite this, you can easily get low on HP before winning. Can't help but feel there's a more reliable method.. I'll have to experiment later.
Post by: Retribution on May 08, 2012, 06:36:23 am
Post by: Selinea on May 15, 2012, 08:41:27 pm
Even with scripting changes, still EM'd with this deck. :D
Hecate doesn't rage potion to kill her antimattered dolls, which is nice.
Post by: furballdn on July 21, 2012, 09:44:01 pm
Post by: memimemi on July 25, 2012, 09:51:17 am
Worked perfectly for me; thanks, Higurashi!
Post by: furballdn on July 29, 2012, 07:07:17 am
Post by: dragonsdemesne on October 17, 2012, 01:04:38 pm
I ran the above deck to see how it would do. It would have worked except that Hecate didn't get any rage potions until the last turn. (and no cards in hand so I know he wasn't holding back, not that the AI would have likely figured that out) He had something like 8 dolls out, a bunch of which had LS, and he had his vampire dagger out, so I was taking damage, but there was nothing to AM all game with my three quinted nymphs. If you haven't got that many nymphs, just replace nymphs/quints with AMs and TUs and towers. The deck -should- win most games; like I say, if there'd been even one early potted doll for me to AM, I would almost certainly have won, and I'm trying this deck the next time I get hecate.
Post by: dragonsdemesne on October 21, 2012, 07:29:12 am
(http://imageshack.us/a/img543/4118/hecatek.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/543/hecatek.jpg/)
I'm not sure that I've got the quanta balance right; I think it probably needs more towers and less pends, but I just managed to recover in time from the initial rush, mostly thanks to TUing a vampiric doll that healed me when I needed it. The nymphs being that one turn slower than a simple AM spell can sometimes backfire, and it almost did here.
Post by: Absol on November 17, 2012, 08:14:06 am
And i got Voodoo, LS, and Ragepot.
Post by: kev on November 27, 2012, 03:00:17 pm
Worked well for me too despite an awful draw. Hecate uses LS on my scorps... which is fine by me cuz I've already deployed poison and I can use the healing. He also used an LS on his -4/3 doll. Lol.I've tryed this (mostly upped) deck :Just used a fully upped version of this deck against Hecate. Worked for me.
AM and RT are the two best cc options against Hecate. And dune scorps are ideal against an opponent that has all super cheap cards. Nice work, macgawel.
Post by: Moraku on December 21, 2012, 05:47:44 pm
I've tryed this (mostly upped) deck :
I would like to share a success story with a fully upped version of this.
It appears that the AI prefers to waste its Liquid Shadow on your Dune Scorpions instead of attempting to kill off its -20/3 Voodoo Doll.
(http://i.imgur.com/ocYho.jpg)
Post by: Rutarete on January 14, 2013, 05:55:33 pm
Worked perfectly for me; thanks, Higurashi!
Post by: Cielo on March 12, 2013, 10:12:20 am
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Edit: It's not true.
Post by: TribalTrouble on March 22, 2013, 07:25:47 pm
Worked to perfection. Don't ask about the odd ups, I don't remember why I have only 4 TU and 2 upped quints either (:
Note: Only 5 Nymphs since I thought I wouldn't be able to spend enough :entropy to summon all 6. I was 100% correct.
Post by: Avenger on March 23, 2013, 03:44:27 pm
Post by: dragtom on April 08, 2013, 04:35:53 pm
why not abuse that fact?
If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).
Post by: Rutarete on April 26, 2013, 12:03:10 am
Had a surprisingly close game with deck. He only drew one voodoo (which I anti'd then quinted) and then none until I had 9 cards left. Thankfully, a rush of PUs were stored in my hand, and I got some luck against his duck shield.
Worked perfectly for me; thanks, Higurashi!
Post by: trashduke on May 24, 2013, 01:26:45 pm
The OP worked for me. I had a few upped entropy pillars which helped. No EM, but a win.
Post by: ddevans96 on July 03, 2013, 06:26:27 pm
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Worked to perfection. Don't ask about the odd ups, I don't remember why I have only 4 TU and 2 upped quints either (:
Note: Only 5 Nymphs since I thought I wouldn't be able to spend enough :entropy to summon all 6. I was 100% correct.
Putting in a second AM turned to be a good choice. Used one on a 14-attack Doll early and it held until I drew my first Quint in the second half of my deck. Finished with EM, and one card :3
Post by: Moraku on July 09, 2013, 12:35:04 pm
the deck in the op suffers from the ai splitting its rage elixers...
why not abuse that fact?
If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).
(http://i.imgur.com/KouB1Pu.png)
Worked quite elegantly here.
Post by: bripod on July 21, 2013, 04:37:21 am
Yes, good deck vs Hecate. First EM in 21 recorded games vs him. (Only 4 wins total with ANY deck, and I've tried quite a few.)
Post by: Barragor on October 18, 2013, 04:43:26 pm
Post by: CuCN on October 18, 2013, 06:55:39 pm
Post by: ColorlessGreen on October 18, 2013, 07:31:55 pm
As others said before, the AM/Quint deck doesn't work well anymore because the AI spreads rage potions out. The gravity shield rainbow that dragtom posted works better.
I was assuming the suggested deck was the single deck in the OP (TU/antimatter). The deck in the OP does work, but it's not one of the higher win rate prediction decks out there. On the plus side, when it loses, it loses fast. It's (in my experience) net profitable, but it certainly does fail pretty easily.
Post by: Phestus on November 14, 2013, 11:40:12 am
Getting to where I hate this game. I only do 1 fight a day now, and 99% of the time, even with researching intently, it is a loss. The developer changes the ai in the FG fights to make it smarter, and hinders the development of every new player afterward.
Might as well take the oracle/FG portion out of the game for anyone under level 30, it is a HUGE hindrance on new players having to buy the cards to try and beat them, only to lose over and over and over.
Post by: eaglgenes101 on November 14, 2013, 11:43:51 pm
Typical 'change the ai so the unupped deck doesnt work for new players' crap. I get so sick of these. Have now lost with AM and the rainbow versions back to back in 2 days.
Getting to where I hate this game. I only do 1 fight a day now, and 99% of the time, even with researching intently, it is a loss. The developer changes the ai in the FG fights to make it smarter, and hinders the development of every new player afterward.
Might as well take the oracle/FG portion out of the game for anyone under level 30, it is a HUGE hindrance on new players having to buy the cards to try and beat them, only to lose over and over and over.
Try some battles in the trainer and you'll see you've overestimated your loss rate.
Post by: arktos22 on November 18, 2013, 11:44:43 pm
the deck in the op suffers from the ai splitting its rage elixers...
why not abuse that fact?
If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).
This deck is awesome. It works mostly unupped too, I used it with only half of the pillars and 2 shards upped. I would guess the most important thing to up, if anything, is the pillars since it needs mana quickly, but any ups certainly help. Also, heed the warning not to let your permanents get stolen! I accidentally let a shard get stolen and lost because of it. Would have won though otherwise. I highly recommend this deck.
Post by: TribalTrouble on November 21, 2013, 12:48:41 am
Sorry for the late reply, but that's great! I'm glad it worked about as well as it has for me, although the one card finish is a little close for comfort lol.[/deck]
Worked to perfection. Don't ask about the odd ups, I don't remember why I have only 4 TU and 2 upped quints either (:
Note: Only 5 Nymphs since I thought I wouldn't be able to spend enough :entropy to summon all 6. I was 100% correct.
Putting in a second AM turned to be a good choice. Used one on a 14-attack Doll early and it held until I drew my first Quint in the second half of my deck. Finished with EM, and one card :3
Post by: farscape on November 21, 2013, 03:21:36 pm
Typical 'change the ai so the unupped deck doesnt work for new players' crap. I get so sick of these. Have now lost with AM and the rainbow versions back to back in 2 days.
Getting to where I hate this game. I only do 1 fight a day now, and 99% of the time, even with researching intently, it is a loss. The developer changes the ai in the FG fights to make it smarter, and hinders the development of every new player afterward.
Might as well take the oracle/FG portion out of the game for anyone under level 30, it is a HUGE hindrance on new players having to buy the cards to try and beat them, only to lose over and over and over.
Others said you are overstating the situation, but I think there is definitely some change in Hecate targeting. He never targets the same doll with rage + LS as he used to. The PU+AM counter was based on copy & AM those dolls, but they are no longer created by the FG. It is still possible to win sometimes with the deck, but it is much harder.
So I tried to make a different counter deck, which still uses PU on the high attack dolls for damage but does not rely on the healing by AM, instead uses SoSa for that:
It worked for me today, but I do not know how robust it is needs more testing. The idea is to copy a highly raged doll, quint + SoW it so that it can bypass the dusk shield. Then use SoSa for staying alive.
Post by: ColorlessGreen on November 21, 2013, 04:18:51 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/7JXK5Md.jpg)
Totally still possible. Totally not a super high win rate deck. Totally still the highest known unupped/rareless win rate. Totally net profitable.
The AI improvements happened a long time ago and IIRC had more to do with the liquid antimatter deck (which was arguably pretty much broken) than having anything to do with the prediction deck. Also, the last real patch happened a year ago so anyone who thinks they're seeing some recent change is definitely imagining things. Also, like has been pointed out elsewhere, net profitable for an unupped deck against a FG is a very low bar to cross.
Post by: Frelance on December 06, 2013, 11:03:55 am
the deck in the op suffers from the ai splitting its rage elixers...
why not abuse that fact?
If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).
Excellent anti-Hecate build. Be sure to play matching (either all upped or all unupped) quanta sources & shards, so that they'll be protected together.
Post by: Submachine on December 09, 2013, 09:42:34 am
the deck in the op suffers from the ai splitting its rage elixers...
why not abuse that fact?
If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).
Excellent anti-Hecate build. Be sure to play matching (either all upped or all unupped) quanta sources & shards, so that they'll be protected together.
This almost worked for me but finally it didn't. There's a point where Hecate gets his starting voodoos under 5 HP with heckload attack+voodoo damage+dagger. With no eternity at that point, it's game over.
Post by: dragtom on December 09, 2013, 10:02:19 am
One that, perhaps, includes holy flash or antimatter.
Post by: trashduke on January 28, 2014, 12:44:42 pm
the deck in the op suffers from the ai splitting its rage elixers...
why not abuse that fact?
If you can get an gravity shield up, this deck works great.
6 PA because you don't want any permanent to get stolen.
a 2nd eternity instead of a rt because you may rewind a doll if it gets low with liquid shadow (especially if it is enraged as well).
Excellent anti-Hecate build. Be sure to play matching (either all upped or all unupped) quanta sources & shards, so that they'll be protected together.
This almost worked for me but finally it didn't. There's a point where Hecate gets his starting voodoos under 5 HP with heckload attack+voodoo damage+dagger. With no eternity at that point, it's game over.
Yeah, I just lost with this as well. I added an upped Eternity to make sure it came, and it did x2, but didn't have a PA to protect the first one so it got stolen. Plus no Grav shield so the damage came quick. It's a good deck idea though, but would help with some faster draws and maybe some stall power (dials or SoBr?).
Update: Well I just ran the fully upped deck and it got the EM handily. Once you get all set up it's pretty boring just bouncing your leaf dragon, but overall it's an easy EM.
Post by: Submachine on April 16, 2014, 12:02:56 pm
I did a huge mistake and played my only staff in hand instead of discarding an adrenaline, so I lost quite early, but the approach can be followed and improved.
Post by: dragtom on April 16, 2014, 12:39:35 pm
considering that hecate has liquid shadow.
Sure, if possible, LS gets casted on 2-damage dolls (eclipse),
but very often they are casted on dolls with higer attack.
Post by: Submachine on April 16, 2014, 01:59:10 pm
that seems to have way too little damage to kill,
considering that hecate has liquid shadow.
Sure, if possible, LS gets casted on 2-damage dolls (eclipse),
but very often they are casted on dolls with higer attack.
the keyword in your sentence is 'seems', as neither of us has tested it enough times to have an accurate result, but I'm on it. ;)
the bigger the voodoo doll, the bigger it heals, but the lower its HP is and the faster it dies
Post by: dragtom on April 16, 2014, 03:33:32 pm
Sometimes hecate outrushes you (every turn an elixer means you may die before you can get a staff/aw/...)
However, when that doesn't happen - and you manage to get more healing in time- you deck out.
A single game i got the hp down to 164 at one point.
Dusk mantle's ability to cut your damage in half hurts a lot.
add a dagger and he heals as fast as you can hurt him untill late game.
a couple of 2-damage LS'd dolls (not to mention 14-damage..).
I see potential, as it is possible to survive the first 15 turns with 2 adrena'staves.
Maybe this in the form of a novabow with sundials and a source of damage will work better...
but what kind of damage?
Post by: Submachine on April 16, 2014, 08:06:11 pm
tried it a quick 10 games, lost all unfortunately.
Sometimes hecate outrushes you (every turn an elixer means you may die before you can get a staff/aw/...)
However, when that doesn't happen - and you manage to get more healing in time- you deck out.
A single game i got the hp down to 164 at one point.
Dusk mantle's ability to cut your damage in half hurts a lot.
add a dagger and he heals as fast as you can hurt him untill late game.
a couple of 2-damage LS'd dolls (not to mention 14-damage..).
I see potential, as it is possible to survive the first 15 turns with 2 adrena'staves.
Maybe this in the form of a novabow with sundials and a source of damage will work better...
but what kind of damage?
I'm a bit sad that it didn't work as an offensive deck, but you can be right about that the strategy is maybe viable in a bow deck. In a bow, steel golems can pump damage nicely and RT splash can deal with megabuff dolls. But sadly, I'm even worse at building bowdecks. ._. If we find a deck with at least 75% winrate against Hecate, it's a success.
Post by: BeforeMemory on June 23, 2014, 09:54:22 pm
Thanks!
Post by: Lagbane on July 05, 2014, 02:37:08 pm
Post by: kaempfer13 on October 16, 2014, 01:05:37 pm
3 sundials were just dead cards in my hand (or delayed precognitions if you will), but the first 1 probably saved my ass (if it was a SoG I would have lived too, though). So including sundials is debatable; if you do dont enchant your pillars (a bad idea anyway EAs are precious), so hecate is not forced to keep his steals.
Obviously this works better fully upped and with 6 SoGs (but dont splash in unupped SoGs).
Edit: met hecate again; he had an insane 18/2 voodoodoll start. I lost just after playing eternity; a sundial could have saved me, but I didnt draw any. The problem with this deck is it needs long to get going. I takes at least 3 turns until you can pay the quanta to play eternity and Gravityshield and then you still need 3EAs and at least 1 SoG. Not sure whether that makes it worse than the prediction deck (apparently many think its weak, though it only failed me once).
Post by: Submachine on January 13, 2015, 07:33:29 am
I was only 2 turns away.
(http://imgur.com/w8S8asy.jpg)
Throughout the game, my damage barely did anything to him, though I had tons of quanta. I should either change the Angels to Dragons or completely swap them to +4 Miracles and +2 SoD. Maybe it's also worth changing some pillars to Ray of Lights and add 1-2 Hope in the place of the Morning Glory.
Post by: kaempfer13 on January 13, 2015, 12:29:29 pm
First experimental deck:
needs way to deal with vamp daggers damage portion
Edit2:
Sort of back to the roots; sort of
I dunno what this is either.
Edit 3: removed sundials because they became obsolete with holy light. Not sure whether I am just getting used to it, but suddenly the deck doesnt look so weird anymore.
Post by: Submachine on January 14, 2015, 02:31:50 pm
Today I encountered Hecate again, and with some new mods, I could do a whopping 244 HP EM on him. :) (which means more gold when winning)
Here is the deck:
Finally I think I can say that this deck has an answer to everything (well, almost). Miracles and SoDs can stall in the early game unless Hecate gets a very fast hand and outrushes me while I'm drawing for quanta - which can sadly happen. The Sanctuaries are bound to be stolen here, but as long as they are up, they protect from Nightmare. Holy Light handles the raged dolls with 10 or less HP. And now, the forever alone Hope + RoLs take care of Eclipse. The only thing I can't remove with this is the poison, but that's manageable when you have tons of HP. :P Finally to get the EM, keep a miracle and a sanctuary in your hand until the last turn, then play Sanc+Miracle (in this order) to get the EM.
It's still a subject to test later, because i can't know from one test if i got lucky or if it really has potential... Will come back to it later maybe.
Post by: Tantoney on February 02, 2015, 12:44:29 am
Post by: Higurashi on February 02, 2015, 01:16:37 am
2 copies of Dragon+Fractal, 4 copies of Nymph+Quint, rest Entropy quanta. Only about 6 pends.
Post by: dragtom on May 08, 2015, 09:54:41 pm
The problem is that it's hard to draw the things you need in a Rainbow, though i didn't test your version yet.
Today I encountered Hecate again, and with some new mods, I could do a whopping 244 HP EM on him. :) (which means more gold when winning)
Here is the deck:
Finally I think I can say that this deck has an answer to everything (well, almost). Miracles and SoDs can stall in the early game unless Hecate gets a very fast hand and outrushes me while I'm drawing for quanta - which can sadly happen. The Sanctuaries are bound to be stolen here, but as long as they are up, they protect from Nightmare. Holy Light handles the raged dolls with 10 or less HP. And now, the forever alone Hope + RoLs take care of Eclipse. The only thing I can't remove with this is the poison, but that's manageable when you have tons of HP. :P Finally to get the EM, keep a miracle and a sanctuary in your hand until the last turn, then play Sanc+Miracle (in this order) to get the EM.
It's still a subject to test later, because i can't know from one test if i got lucky or if it really has potential... Will come back to it later maybe.
worked for me :)
Post by: Submachine on June 26, 2015, 04:19:44 pm
The problem is that it's hard to draw the things you need in a Rainbow, though i didn't test your version yet.
Today I encountered Hecate again, and with some new mods, I could do a whopping 244 HP EM on him. :) (which means more gold when winning)
Here is the deck:
Finally I think I can say that this deck has an answer to everything (well, almost). Miracles and SoDs can stall in the early game unless Hecate gets a very fast hand and outrushes me while I'm drawing for quanta - which can sadly happen. The Sanctuaries are bound to be stolen here, but as long as they are up, they protect from Nightmare. Holy Light handles the raged dolls with 10 or less HP. And now, the forever alone Hope + RoLs take care of Eclipse. The only thing I can't remove with this is the poison, but that's manageable when you have tons of HP. :P Finally to get the EM, keep a miracle and a sanctuary in your hand until the last turn, then play Sanc+Miracle (in this order) to get the EM.
It's still a subject to test later, because i can't know from one test if i got lucky or if it really has potential... Will come back to it later maybe.
worked for me :)
Awesome! :) We're on the right track it seems. ^^
Post by: yee on July 13, 2015, 11:15:24 am
Post by: SevenOfAKind on August 25, 2015, 08:05:43 am
The idea is that if Hecate pumps up a doll and ls' it you can keep it healed throughout the game to maintain a healing/damage source. The wins have been close due to slow damage from dolls and a lack of damage on my side which has left me with sub 5 cards in deck each win. I'm thinking maybe -1 angel +2 pend +2 crusader or something like that. Or maybe its just a flawed concept and I should stick to the op.
This version 2 of the deck is 2-6, fairly bad but I feel like I have been getting really unlucky with both my draws and hecates. Not sure if there are any unupped deck that can handle Hecate spamming ls'd dolls without elixiring them and having an eclipse out.
Version 3
I'm busy this week and especially today so I haven't and won't have much time to test this but so far this deck has comfortably 2-0d with an EM both times. I decided to just drop the angels and focus on a combo of AM and crusaders with a couple of blessings thrown in. The blessings can either be used on crusaders to put them out of elixir range or can be used on an LS'd doll right before you AM in order to ensure it lasts longer to do damage and also heals/self-inflicts a great amount of damage per turn.
Its possible I just got lucky but I feel like even if I was slightly lucky this deck has potential to equal the OP based on the huge difference between my games with this deck and my games with the OP.
Post by: Zso_Zso on November 04, 2015, 01:28:13 pm
Fully upped worked very well :)
I decked out with this, he had 3 cards left. He was holding 7 cards for the last 10+ turns, so only drew 1 card each turn.
Post by: Submachine on November 04, 2015, 01:35:26 pm
I decked out with this, he had 3 cards left. He was holding 7 cards for the last 10+ turns, so only drew 1 card each turn.Yeah, I noticed that if you put up Sanctuary too early, he'll clog his hands with copies of Nightmare. To prevent it with current deck, I used to let myself be nightmared once or twice. I also made a second version with extra cards to prevent deckouts, but I only had the chance to test it once (it was an EM tho).
Post by: jade_giant on December 30, 2015, 09:01:44 pm
I'm going to say for upped something like this should work:
That deck has a MUCH better win percentage than the ones in the OP. This deck, in my tests, makes Hecate out to be an "average" False God in that the deck can pretty much beat her consistently (Hecate is a Greek Goddess, hence my use of "her", FYI) unless she doesn't play anything but the dagger. Just wait for a raged LS'd doll, amp it up with Chaos, twin it and antimatter the original. Let me know if anyone has wildly different results.
Jade Giant
Post by: Submachine on December 31, 2015, 01:12:10 pm
I will test this deck later. Decks against Hecate tend not to be consistent, so if you won ~3 times in a row, that doesn't mean anything. The losses keep coming after a while, and they can stack up pretty badly after a good start. This deck seems no different, but hey, I will test it and we'll have stats.
Post by: tereret on April 14, 2016, 04:27:36 pm
So far I've been trying the unupped deck in op when getting Hecate but am yet to even put up a fight with it. The main problem I see is that a double elixired, lsed doll only lasts 7 turns so you have limited healing/damage from it. As a result I've been tinkering around with this deck and gone 2-3 so far:Perfect EM
The idea is that if Hecate pumps up a doll and ls' it you can keep it healed throughout the game to maintain a healing/damage source. The wins have been close due to slow damage from dolls and a lack of damage on my side which has left me with sub 5 cards in deck each win. I'm thinking maybe -1 angel +2 pend +2 crusader or something like that. Or maybe its just a flawed concept and I should stick to the op.
This version 2 of the deck is 2-6, fairly bad but I feel like I have been getting really unlucky with both my draws and hecates. Not sure if there are any unupped deck that can handle Hecate spamming ls'd dolls without elixiring them and having an eclipse out.
Version 3
I'm busy this week and especially today so I haven't and won't have much time to test this but so far this deck has comfortably 2-0d with an EM both times. I decided to just drop the angels and focus on a combo of AM and crusaders with a couple of blessings thrown in. The blessings can either be used on crusaders to put them out of elixir range or can be used on an LS'd doll right before you AM in order to ensure it lasts longer to do damage and also heals/self-inflicts a great amount of damage per turn.
Its possible I just got lucky but I feel like even if I was slightly lucky this deck has potential to equal the OP based on the huge difference between my games with this deck and my games with the OP.
IMPORTANT: AM any rage doll
Post by: CaRmAgE on September 02, 2017, 07:36:06 pm
Yeah, I noticed that if you put up Sanctuary too early, he'll clog his hands with copies of Nightmare. To prevent it with current deck, I used to let myself be nightmared once or twice. I also made a second version with extra cards to prevent deckouts, but I only had the chance to test it once (it was an EM tho).
Unforuntately, this doesn't always work. Hecate won't use Nightmare if your hand is clogged, so holding onto your Sanctuaries isn't a consistent solution.
I'm attempting to solve this problem by adding a Miracle, a Hope, and another tower, and so far, I've had more success than with the old deck.
I got an EM with this today, despite going through half the deck before getting a Miracle. Holy Lights should remain unupgraded to avoid mulligan problems.
Post by: majofa on September 11, 2017, 01:47:51 am
The other cards in his hand would be Vampire Dagger, Dusk Mantle, and (3x) Eclipse.
Post by: Submachine on September 11, 2017, 12:06:18 pm
Post by: dragtom on September 11, 2017, 09:00:13 pm
They don't mess too much with the mulligan;
they offer additional protection against the rather high doll damage;
if hecate steals them it's 1 less steal to worry about (and you still get the damage reduction);
you can use it to draw a card unless you need the additional turns before deckout.
Post by: Spielkind on September 29, 2017, 07:22:42 am
I personally add 6 sundials.
...
5:0 so far for me, good deck! 8-)
Post by: Manuel on October 08, 2017, 08:10:43 am
(https://s1.postimg.org/6vqyof5km7/ahahhahasggsgs.png)
i've got the screen with this deck
i forgot to add stone skins and the deck is terribile because isn't my main account, but THE POINT is: 6 basilisk bloods = 36 turn of protection, hecate will probably keep raging the same bb'ed doll all the time; nobody ever tried this strategy, with something like this?
