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Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg237449#msg237449
« on: December 31, 2010, 09:09:04 PM »
I noticed that the L5 decks were updated.

How come Lumiel doesn't have a copy of Miracle?  You can pick up every rare from halfbloods, except for Miracle.

There are obviously foolish things the L5 AI does.

Why does the AI have a Dune Scorpion or Deathstalker, when he has no buffs in his deck that would enable them cause damage?

Why does the AI use Schrodinger's Cat and its ability, when he has no death effects?

Are the decks preset, or are the completely randomly generated on the fly?

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Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg237452#msg237452
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2010, 09:12:09 PM »
When you face a half blood, it gets random cards from one element and the other half is random cards from an element. Either he didn't get miracle or didn't draw it.
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Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg237491#msg237491
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2010, 09:54:14 PM »
As what ddevans said, AI5's deck is being generated randomly.

I've been playing AI5 a lot lately and I'm also intrigue why I have never seen any :light AI5 using miracle. Is there an actual reason behind this? Is it because a possible bug in the generator to not include rare spell (miracle being the only rare spell)?

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Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg237549#msg237549
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2010, 11:04:49 PM »
iirc, AI5 have 24 sets of half-decks, 2 for each element (one for the mark, one for the pillars).

When you play an AI5, you get the resulting deck of the 2 combined. The half-decks themselves are made of mostly randomish cards from the element.

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Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg237778#msg237778
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2011, 06:33:31 AM »
iirc, AI5 have 24 sets of half-decks, 2 for each element (one for the mark, one for the pillars).

When you play an AI5, you get the resulting deck of the 2 combined. The half-decks themselves are made of mostly randomish cards from the element.
Correction; since we have 12 elements, there are 144 possible decks that can be generated. What I'm interested to know is has anyone ever encounter AI5 playing Miracle (even before the latest update)?

Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg237791#msg237791
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2011, 07:18:15 AM »
Miracle is pretty easy to get from AI3, or from the False God Miracle - who is in fact one of the easiest False Gods.

I believe every rare except shards and nymphs can be won from AI3, in fact.  I've seen Pharaoh, Squid, and Miracle, and all kinds of weapons... back when I farmed AI3 for around 1300 games straight as a Graboid rush, I won copies of many of the rare weapons, if not all of them.

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Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg237800#msg237800
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2011, 07:48:48 AM »
iirc, AI5 have 24 sets of half-decks, 2 for each element (one for the mark, one for the pillars).

When you play an AI5, you get the resulting deck of the 2 combined. The half-decks themselves are made of mostly randomish cards from the element.
Correction; since we have 12 elements, there are 144 possible decks that can be generated. What I'm interested to know is has anyone ever encounter AI5 playing Miracle (even before the latest update)?
What's being corrected?

24 half decks, 12 A decks and 12 B decks. They can be combined in 144 possible AB Decks.

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Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg237915#msg237915
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 02:55:54 PM »
Correction; since we have 12 elements, there are 144 possible decks that can be generated. What I'm interested to know is has anyone ever encounter AI5 playing Miracle (even before the latest update)?
I've played AI5s since they were introduced, they never had Miracles. Pretty convenient when I was grinding them with mono-Aether. :P
I think at the beginning there were actually no Titans either, no idea why.

What's being corrected?

24 half decks, 12 A decks and 12 B decks. They can be combined in 144 possible AB Decks.
Corrected in that I'm pretty sure that there's no preconstruction at all. Just pure randomness.
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Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg238169#msg238169
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 08:56:39 PM »
If it is purely random, then there are actually only 78 possible decks, although there are 144 possible names for the AI5 player.  Light-Gravity would be the same as Gravity-Light.

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Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg238202#msg238202
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 09:47:03 PM »
If it is purely random, then there are actually only 78 possible decks, although there are 144 possible names for the AI5 player.  Light-Gravity would be the same as Gravity-Light.
Ah, yes... we're dealing with combinations instead of permutations.

However, since 10men mentioned about the Miracle and Titan in the earlier ver; I think Evaria might be right. Maybe there are predetermine decks or some sort of criteria that generates fixed copies from each of the 2 elements; e.g. 4 x spells, 4x permanents, 6 x creatures and 2 x rares. This might explain the absence of Miracle.

I'm not interested in farming Miracle from AI5, again I'm just curious to know whether this is intentional or not.

Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg238204#msg238204
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 09:51:44 PM »
Aside, because I like maths: the formula for combinations of two, taken from a pool of size n, is (n^2) / 2.  If the two can be identical, then it's ((n^2) + n)/ 2.

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Re: Why Doesn't Lumiel Have Miracle? http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18642.msg238772#msg238772
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 04:57:25 PM »
Actually, it's 144 possibilities (12*12).  Light-gravity is not the same as gravity-light.

With a 3x mark, the halfblood carries few towers the same color as his mark.  The halfblood carries many towers of the other half.

Is it two fixed 32 card halves, with 30% randomly upgraded?

It it semi-random, with the 32 cards taken from a predetermined pool?

I thought it was weird that halfbloods never have Miracle.

 

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