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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg519044#msg519044
« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2012, 04:32:31 am »

I add more decks recently and test them all in in:

http://elementscommunity.org/tools/xenocidius/simulator/

Be careful of the results with some decks due to stack-hands combos,
the AI whenever it has enough quanta to play a card it will play it.

« Last Edit: July 11, 2012, 05:17:10 am by frimax »
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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg520092#msg520092
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2012, 01:25:55 pm »
I didn't read the other 3 pages, but why don't you put the decks with the deck code?
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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg520444#msg520444
« Reply #26 on: July 11, 2012, 05:14:23 am »
most of them are with the deck code, but I guess I was too lazy to do the other 3  :P
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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg520708#msg520708
« Reply #27 on: July 11, 2012, 06:22:31 pm »
Why didn't you put 2-3 hopes in the FFQ deck? Also, changing all the pilars for pendulums would make it much more stable.  :life mark,  :air pendulums because you have a constant  :life draining.
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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg520862#msg520862
« Reply #28 on: July 12, 2012, 02:47:30 am »


You are probably right about the pendulums it will make it more stable against Earthquakes(if you are talking about half-ing life pillars with life pendulums), air pendulums wouldn't work because life mark, I tested hope 2-3 hopes, but the efficiency is lower in simulator, hope shield, is a good shield in the long term game defence, but weak against a lot of creature control, most fireflys are expendable just for extra damage in early game, combined with skyblitz for a surprise win, what I haven't tested is 1 or 2 miracles instead of thorn caparace and maybe 1 life pillar, that will make you stay longer in the game, but there is a reason I put the other shields in the deck, it goes like this, if you have early eagle's eyes, use thorn caparace for a lot of creature damage, if are running low on hp, rush the bonds and emerald shield, instead of spaming lots of fireflys, I haven't tested neither this: +1 eagle's eyes, - 2 life pillars, - 1 EMbond, +1 animate weapon, +1 air pillar.

But is for you to try, have fun changing the decks, I'm just posting a good Win/Lose ratio decks, if you get a higher win/lose ratio, post which cards did you change and some statistics in the SIMULATOR, remember that other factors are important as well like:

(this is the actual average in my FFQ deck)
Player
Wins: 44
Winrate: 44 %
Average TTW: 14.886363636363637 <- 14 turns is not so long, you don't wanna be stock in the same game forever
EMs: 11 <- 11 Elemental masters
EM rate: 25 %

Computer
Wins: 56
Winrate: 56 %
Average TTW: 12.821428571428571
EMs: 4
EM rate: 7.142857142857143 %


So if you outmatch that, great, tell me how!! hehehe
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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg520973#msg520973
« Reply #29 on: July 12, 2012, 07:36:09 am »
44% is not very good even for unupped

A mono :air I just made randomly:
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5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5oo 5oo 5oo 5op 5op 8pr


1,000 simulations vs AI4:

Player
Wins: 575
Winrate: 57.5 %
Average TTW: 10.803478260869566
EMs: 97
EM rate: 16.869565217391305 %

Computer
Wins: 425
Winrate: 42.5 %
Average TTW: 11.385882352941177
EMs: 30
EM rate: 7.0588235294117645 %

Edit, a mono  :aether:
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61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61o 61t 61t 61t 61u 61v 61v 61v 61v 61v 61v 8pu


1,000 simulations vs AI4:

Player
Wins: 703
Winrate: 70.3 %

Average TTW: 16.496443812233284
EMs: 49
EM rate: 6.970128022759602 %

Computer
Wins: 297
Winrate: 29.7 %
Average TTW: 17.865319865319865
EMs: 35
EM rate: 11.784511784511784 %

Edit 2, a mono :fire, again simply using big hitters and a few other cards to fill the holes:
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5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f2 5f4 5f7 5f7 5fe 5fe 5fe 8po


Player
Wins: 695
Winrate: 69.5 %
Average TTW: 8.676258992805755
EMs: 158
EM rate: 22.73381294964029 %

Computer
Wins: 305
Winrate: 30.5 %
Average TTW: 9.718032786885246
EMs: 4
EM rate: 1.3114754098360655 %
« Last Edit: July 12, 2012, 08:05:24 am by Wizy »
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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg521009#msg521009
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2012, 10:11:29 am »

Hahaha mono aether for the win, lol I know 44% is not so good, that's just my ffq deck, but it gives you many EM and some wins against AI level 5, , you know that with your decks you don't actually get EM right? is just a simulator miscalculation, my other decks are around 50% rate or higher, and one of them 0% =), coz the AI can't play it, which somehow makes me proud. :P

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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg521307#msg521307
« Reply #31 on: July 13, 2012, 02:42:54 am »
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vo 4vo 52t 52t 52t 5c6 5c6 5f5 5f5 5lm 5lm 5lm 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rl 5rl 5v2 5v2 5v2 8ps

Your third deck could also use a bit of help:
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vd 4vm 52n 52n 52r 55r 5c6 5f8 5ie 5rl 5rl 5ro 5un 5up 61t 61t 8ps

Here's for your fourth:
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 52l 52l 55q 55q 55q 5c7 5c7 5c7 5f6 5f6 5rl 5rl 5rl 5rl 5ut 5ut 5ut 621 621 621 8ps

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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4vn 4vn 52k 52s 52s 560 58s 58s 5f8 5op 5rl 5rl 5rl 5ur 622 8pk

And your sixth (from somewhere else):
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5bv 5bv 5bv 5bv 5c2 5c2 5c6 5c6 5c6 5c6 5c7 5c7 5lk 5lk 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 5oj 8pn

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« Last Edit: July 15, 2012, 06:25:24 pm by eaglgenes101 »
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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg522134#msg522134
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2012, 06:20:03 am »
I strongly recommend you to test any modifications first and post statistics.
Here is some statistics over 100 games, about your modifications and your decks.  :(
You only replace my in some of my deck's, quantum pillars for novas, WRONG!,
novas are a immediate boost for quanta, it's seems YOU are the one who can use some help.
Your Ideas are fine, but the balance is totally out of it.
It will be different though with towers, if is that what you meant?

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DECK 1, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 16
Winrate: 16 %
Average TTW: 20.125
EMs: 5
EM rate: 31.25 %

Computer
Wins: 84
Winrate: 84 %
Average TTW: 15.44047619047619
EMs: 34
EM rate: 40.476190476190474 %

DECK 2, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 29
Winrate: 29 %
Average TTW: 17.379310344827587
EMs: 9
EM rate: 31.03448275862069 %

Computer
Wins: 71
Winrate: 71 %
Average TTW: 14.647887323943662
EMs: 4
EM rate: 5.633802816901408 %

DECK 3, Against AI 4,
Player
Wins: 28
Winrate: 28 %
Average TTW: 14.464285714285714
EMs: 8
EM rate: 28.571428571428573 %

Computer
Wins: 72
Winrate: 72 %
Average TTW: 13.722222222222221
EMs: 19
EM rate: 26.38888888888889 %

--->>> I could go on, It's seems pointless.

ONE OF MY ACTUAL DECKS, AGAINST AI 4,
Player
Wins: 67
Winrate: 67 %
Average TTW: 16.059701492537314
EMs: 3
EM rate: 4.477611940298507 %

Computer
Wins: 33
Winrate: 33 %
Average TTW: 15.515151515151516
EMs: 2
EM rate: 6.0606060606060606 %

We already decided that WIZY mono Aether was the one with highest rate.

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The other ones are just funny.

About my 5th deck, I look at it as one of my master pieces, so don't touch it. hahaha

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« Last Edit: July 16, 2012, 02:36:06 am by frimax »
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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg522168#msg522168
« Reply #33 on: July 15, 2012, 10:16:40 am »
Take in mind that some decks cannot be tested in the simulator because the AI is stupid.

Of the ones you posted only the FFQ one gets reliable results in the sim, because the AI doesn't have to make decisions, just play the cards when there is enough quanta.
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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg522173#msg522173
« Reply #34 on: July 15, 2012, 10:31:27 am »


On the decks I posted in the first page, 4 of them get reliable results in the simulator, only 2 can't be tested because stack hand combos, or not enough stall.
The one you posted WIZY, gives reliable results in the simulator, same as my first one, aether+poison.

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Re: Newbs Help, Unupgraded Half Blood Farming Decks. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41567.msg522657#msg522657
« Reply #35 on: July 17, 2012, 01:42:25 am »
WIZY, did you know your unupped aether deck gets more than 40% winrate simulated vs false gods? thats pretty amazing.

 

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