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(un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158707#msg158707
« on: September 14, 2010, 11:45:18 pm »
Let's face it, the AI5 is probably the least balanced thing in elements.  For supposedly being an inbetween between AI3 and false gods, the half bloods are largely ignored.  So this contest is to fix that.  Design a half-blood deck that is the correct difficulty, and an appropriate reward for beating it, and I'll love you forever.  Triple mark, double draw, double health, and any amount of upgraded cards are allowed but not mandatory.  I don't care how the deck is designed so long as it's a better AI5 than the stuff we have now.

Deck rules:
The deck must be more difficult than traditional AI3
The deck must be less difficult than traditional False gods
The reward for grinding the deck must be more than the reward for beating traditional AI3.
The reward for grinding the deck must be less than the reward for beating traditional AI5.

To enter:
Post your AI5 deck.  Make sure you list any cool features like double life, double draw, or triple mark, or mention if it doesn't have any.  Also submit your deck code with any and all upgrades already upgraded.
Post the reward for beating your Ai5 deck.  This includes cost to play, reward if beaten, and spins.

At the end of the contest, we'll vote on the best ones, depending largely on how many were submitted.  The "best" decks being the ones that are closest to the middle of the difficult/reward gap between Ai6 and Ai3.  No more than a fourth of the entrants will win.  Did I mention I'd love the winners forever?   :P  What are you waiting for?  GOGOGO!!!

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Blanks are 6x Forest Scorpions (Unupped) and 5x Water pendulums (Upped)

150 life.  Price, reward, and spins as is.

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1st ???'s = 4 unupped darkness pendulums
2nd ???'s = 6 upped voodoo dolls

2x Mark, 200 hp, single draw. Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]

So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.

Minimum winnings = 41 electrum
Maximum winnings (assuming 10 turn win is possible) = 105 electrum

No others! D=

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This deck is well made so 3x mark 1x deck 1x draw and 100 health.

25 E to fight. 15 E for a win 30 for EM.

High chance to win a card so you lose E even if you win. (unless EM)

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8 non-upped  :death Pendulums
3 upped Deathstalkers
8 upped :death Pendulums

3x Mark, 200 hp, Double Draw.

Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]

So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.

Normal win rate in spins, but 25-50% of the time it being an upped card.

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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158711#msg158711
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2010, 11:46:34 pm »
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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158715#msg158715
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2010, 11:55:21 pm »
I bet you all can guess which deck I'll be making.    :)

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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158752#msg158752
« Reply #3 on: September 15, 2010, 12:34:00 am »
Here's one attempt...

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Blanks are 6x Forest Scorpions (Unupped) and 5x Water pendulums (Upped)

The idea would be sort of similar to the FG Elidnis, but a lot simpler and poison-oriented. All the Life cards can be played off of one turn of the mark, but the Pendulums are to help bad hands even out.

I may have made this a bit too good, but it does have a nice 32% upgraded cards in the deck, and most cards show up in stacks of 4-6, making it more likely to win one.
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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158758#msg158758
« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2010, 12:35:34 am »
Here's one attempt...

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Blanks are 6x Forest Scorpions (Unupped) and 5x Water pendulums (Upped)

The idea would be sort of similar to the FG Elidnis, but a lot simpler and poison-oriented. All the Life cards can be played off of one turn of the mark, but the Pendulums are to help bad hands even out.

I may have made this a bit too good, but it does have a nice 32% upgraded cards in the deck, and most cards show up in stacks of 4-6, making it more likely to win one.
What is the cost to play and reward for winning?  Also:  Double life?  Triple mark?  Double Draw?

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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158774#msg158774
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2010, 12:52:45 am »
Here's one attempt...

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Blanks are 6x Forest Scorpions (Unupped) and 5x Water pendulums (Upped)

The idea would be sort of similar to the FG Elidnis, but a lot simpler and poison-oriented. All the Life cards can be played off of one turn of the mark, but the Pendulums are to help bad hands even out.

I may have made this a bit too good, but it does have a nice 32% upgraded cards in the deck, and most cards show up in stacks of 4-6, making it more likely to win one.
What is the cost to play and reward for winning?  Also:  Double life?  Triple mark?  Double Draw?
In my opinion, the cost for playing AI5 is fine, as are the electrum rewards and everything else. The only thing I'd change is the 200 life, it makes it much too difficult to farm effectively. (It'd be 150 probably, or just plain 100)
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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158778#msg158778
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2010, 12:56:38 am »
Reserved

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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158794#msg158794
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2010, 01:19:17 am »
Umm I designed this deck but I don't know how you are supposed to test it.

I am thinking 2x Mark, 200 hp, single draw. Cost = 20 electrum. Winnings = 40 + %HP x 40 +[ 30 - (# turns/2)]

So I win in 16 turns with 50 hp. I get 40 + 20 + 22 = 82 electrum.

Minimum winnings = 41 electrum
Maximum winnings (assuming 10 turn win is possible) = 105 electrum (assuming max hp=100)

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1st ???'s = 4 unupped darkness pendulums
2nd ???'s = 6 upped voodoo dolls

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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158797#msg158797
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2010, 01:28:39 am »
Reserved for a really brilliant deck.

(not really  ???)

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Alright here it is. ??     is entropy pendulum

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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158798#msg158798
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 01:29:22 am »
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This deck is well made so 3x mark 1x deck 1x draw and 100 health.

25 E to fight. 15 E for a win 30 for EM.

High chance to win a card so you lose E even if you win. (unless EM)

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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg158819#msg158819
« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2010, 02:06:34 am »
It appears as though current deck construction rules for AI Level 5 aren't being used. Is this intended?

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Re: (un)official contest: Design an AI5! https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=12599.msg159020#msg159020
« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 02:50:50 pm »
It appears as though current deck construction rules for AI Level 5 aren't being used. Is this intended?
Yes.  The only requirements are appropriate difficulty and reward.

Reserved for a really brilliant deck.

(not really  ???)

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Alright here it is. ??     is entropy pendulum
Please post the cost/reward for beating this deck.  Also:  Mark x 3?  Draw x 2?  Life x 2?

 

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