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Messages - Zuphix (39)

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25 hours game time, thats it?  I think it should take longer, grinding is part of the game, things won't handed out to new players, they must work for them like everyone else has.
The thing is, it used to be easier for everyone else, only 25 hours, but only if you already have the best of everything. It will obviously take at least 5 times longer for a new player if he luckily stumbles accross a decent AI3 grinder deck.

I've already done it, I have my upgraded farming decks. I'm just a thoughtful person and am speaking on behalf of players who are having a hard time atm. The game used to increase in difficulty at a slightly slower pace, now it Jumps up after you can beat AI3 consistently. Farming AI3 for an upgraded deck costs 45k electrum, and with the fastest dec (upgraded) that takes roughly 25 hours of play time, new players won't have an upgraded deck, and it won't be an extremely fast one either.
So don't rely on AI3 all the way for it...
Who says you need a fully upped deck to fight FGs?  Especially with the oracle prediction each day, even a fully UNupped deck can win enough to be somewhat profitable.  Once you get a few key cards upped like Supernova or RoL, you can farm them for upped cards much faster. Not to mention those same FGs also have a decent chance for the rares as well.   If I remember right, when I first started, it might have taken me a week or 2 at most to get to this stage.  Before then, new players probably aren't really ready for more advanced challenges anyway, no matter what cards they have.  They need to learn some basics of how the game works and strategy first anyway, so this doesn't seem to unreasonable.  And in some ways, this is one of the more rewarding stages of the game when you actually feel like you're accomplishing something compared to later on when you're mindlessly grinding away to up your 6th different deck.
I didn't say anything about fighting FGs, I was merely using stats from some of the best AI3 grinder decks and saying that it takes much longer for new players because of the sudden increased difficulty curve. How do you suppose new players know that Supernova or RoL are key cards to upgrade? Looking on the forums to use other decks was one thing I said shouldn't be encouraged, new players should design their own decks; and not suffer for it.

You do have a point about learning the basics though, most of the friends I show this game to have some card game experience, so they picked up the basics fairly quickly, but still wanted their own decks. Rainbow is something we are trying to avoid, I am not aware of an UNupped mono deck that can win enough against FGs though.

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I've already done it, I have my upgraded farming decks. I'm just a thoughtful person and am speaking on behalf of players who are having a hard time atm. The game used to increase in difficulty at a slightly slower pace, now it Jumps up after you can beat AI3 consistently. Farming AI3 for an upgraded deck costs 45k electrum, and with the fastest dec (upgraded) that takes roughly 25 hours of play time, new players won't have an upgraded deck, and it won't be an extremely fast one either.

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we grinded AI3 enough to get decks as good as they can possibly be without upgrades, or more than one rare. AI3 has always given weapons (at least since the time I started over a year ago). I just thought that players weren't expected to grind AI3 for 45k before they are allowed to win in the arena.

You are looking at the other extreme, expecting we played just minutes, and that we expected to have everything. We did play for hours and we barely got one decent deck each.

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The thing is, you veterans aren't thinking in the terms of a new player who has no idea how to play the game. When I first started I'd never played any card games before, except for Crazy Eights or BS. I don't think I was successful until I came to the forums and looked at the "get rich quick" decks. And once in a while I hear there are a lot of people that don't ever go to the forums. You guys already knew what you were doing when you started a new account, many newer players don't.
This is exactly as I understand it, I could've easily made us rainbow decks, but that just points everyone in one direction. If players are expected to make rainbow decks to go anywhere, where does that take the game? new players should be encouraged to make mono/duo decks imo, and be given card rewards for it. Rares aren't any rarer than before, it's just harder for new players to catch up with the older ones.

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I started a new account, to help one of my friends start playing, and when we got 500 score for the first rare, we were stuck grinding AI 3, before the arena was implemented; we'd still have a fair chance at winning Top50, and spinning rares even if it wasn't from a farm. Now we have arena, the easiest of them Bronze is harder than Top50 was. With only one rare, which may have been a poor choice, I'm finding it hard get a deck for new players which can beat anything higher than AI3 (unupgraded, one rare). The Bronze win rateis less than 50%, and the rare spin rate is much lower because of it. Our best shot is 6 wins in a row, and with less than 50% for one win, doesn't look like it will happen.

The only thing I can think of that won't imbalance it, but still makes it easier is to not allow bronze decks to spend points in upgraded cards, so the only advantageBronze decks have over new players' decks is the hit points.

I'm sure there's many people who don't agree with any of this, but it's late and I may have not made it sound the way it should.

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The cards are the cards, as they are. If you think they need to be banned freom the arena, think if they need to be nerfed alltogether.

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Tournament Archive / Re: Eastern Tournament - Dec 23rd - Christmas
« on: December 19, 2010, 10:51:06 am »
but air is allowed anyway.

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Tournament Archive / Re: Western Tournament - Dec 11th - A Second Chance
« on: December 11, 2010, 08:02:32 pm »
Zuphix 2 - 1 Ji412jo

very close, gg

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Tournament Archive / Re: Western Tournament - Dec 11th - A Second Chance
« on: December 11, 2010, 07:08:51 pm »
Zuphix 2 - 1 The_mormegil

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Tournament Archive / Re: Western Tournament - Dec 11th - A Second Chance
« on: December 11, 2010, 07:00:25 pm »
Zuphix 1 - 0 Dragoon 11

Usage of illegal cards (mummy)

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Tournament Archive / Re: Western Tournament - Dec 11th - A Second Chance
« on: December 11, 2010, 06:11:35 pm »
Zuphix 1 - 0 Jippy99
 Opponent Forfeit

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Tournament Archive / Re: Eastern Tournament - Dec 11th - A Second Chance
« on: December 08, 2010, 12:55:34 pm »
Just for convenience, because I find it easier to look at cards instead of reading a list, and I'm sure some other people may also benefit from this. These are the cards allowed in the tourney.
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4sa 4t3 4t4 4t5 4tb 4vc 4vg 4vj 4vk 4vo 50u 52g 52l 52m 52n 52o 52r 542 55k 55n 55p 55q 55v 576 58o 58s 58t 58u 592 593 594 5aa 5bs 5c2 5c3 5c4 5c6 5c7 5de 5f0 5f1 5f5 5f6 5f9 5gi 5i4 5i9 5ia 5ih 5jm 5l8 5l9 5lc 5ld 5lf 5lg 5li 5lj 5lk 5mq
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5oc 5od 5og 5oi 5oo 5pu 5rg 5rj 5rl 5rp 5rr 5t2 5uk 5uo 5up 5uq 5v1 606 61o 61r 61t 621 622 623 63a

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