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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443533#msg443533
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2011, 07:49:57 am »
if this keeps the 0 cost for the skill, then I think something will need to be done about butterfly effect.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443538#msg443538
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2011, 08:05:56 am »
Make it random!

That fixes a lot of OPness IMO...

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443540#msg443540
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2011, 08:07:38 am »
Make it random!

That fixes a lot of OPness IMO...
But how would that fit with it being shard of focus
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443541#msg443541
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2011, 08:17:31 am »
Interesting idea. But like most others, it sounds vastly OP'ed.

Someone in the v1.30 thread suggested HP>50 changed to (max HP)>50.
That would be a step in the right direction to make it 4 perms max.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443544#msg443544
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2011, 09:15:42 am »
It's probably better than Deflagration. Obviously, it's reusable unlike Deflagration; it costs the same, but uses any quanta; and, most importantly, it can be FRACTALLED. That's so beyond OP no words describe it. With so much HP, it's hard to kill before the opponent uses it to destroy at least one permanent, so it does at least the same job as Deflagration. It can be lobotomized or have its skill replaced, but that doesn't stop Fractal.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443546#msg443546
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2011, 09:29:29 am »
I am big fan of new soft PC cards for few elements. But PC for all? It is wrong decision in my opinion. And BlackHole as bonus? Why BlackHole?
This shard solve all my problems with PC in 70% decks, so I will use it, but I think that it is very OP.
As bonus card it will be better to add Unstoppable or maybe random Gravity card.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443547#msg443547
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2011, 09:39:15 am »
First thought is: this is a bad card. I will make a more intresting post later on, after some more thinking, but:

1) Its theme is very disappointing. A shard that's a creature? Really? Although it adds a ton of synergies, I feel like this is a very bad touch for the feel of the game.
2) It's an extremely cheap way out of the PC issue (and one I feared). I believe a more thoughtful approach would have been better.
3) It's poorly balanced as of now, but I believe that will be fixed. As long as the fix isn't Shard of Sacrifice-like... But we'll see.

Also, some quick balancing thoughts for those of you that are testing in the trainer:
- This and Fractal in a mono-aether. This in Fracharge.
- This in Immorush instead of Deflagration.
- This with GPull in a CC-heavy deck.
- This in any deck whose potential has been severly hampered by the lack of PC.
- This with Eternity.
- This with Rage Potion.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443551#msg443551
« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2011, 10:27:02 am »
First thought is: this is a bad card. I will make a more intresting post later on, after some more thinking, but:

1) Its theme is very disappointing. A shard that's a creature? Really? Although it adds a ton of synergies, I feel like this is a very bad touch for the feel of the game.
2) It's an extremely cheap way out of the PC issue (and one I feared). I believe a more thoughtful approach would have been better.
3) It's poorly balanced as of now, but I believe that will be fixed. As long as the fix isn't Shard of Sacrifice-like... But we'll see.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443558#msg443558
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2011, 10:56:38 am »
A colorless high HP target for Butterfly. Poor Minor Abomination.
I like the idea of "soft" PC for other elements (although Butterfly was a fantastic idea). Paired with special circumstances,reusable PC is ok, like "atk<3", or "2 elements, weapon".
The card should be countered by CC spells. Means low HP. like: 0/1, gains 0/1 per destroyed perm, BH with 0/3.
With these HPs, all colors except Life have a counterspell.
Also see that the shard is the best target for Butterfly Effect (0/15 is awesome for an "other" creature ), so it needs low HP.

OP in the way it is now.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443560#msg443560
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2011, 11:23:58 am »
Also, some quick balancing thoughts for those of you that are testing in the trainer:
- This and Fractal in a mono-aether. This in Fracharge.
- This in Immorush instead of Deflagration.
- This with GPull in a CC-heavy deck.
- This in any deck whose potential has been severly hampered by the lack of PC.
- This with Eternity.
- This with Rage Potion.
So as we can see it is buff for the best cards (Fractal, Immo, RagePotion) and strategies in game. It is wrong decision.
One simple change of this card and this shard will be more balanced. Gravity is an element which has got a lot of HP. So lets make this card like spell which will be like Butterfly Effect but for creatures with HP>5? 8? 10? 15? and for gravity creatures?
It will be synergy with Gravity, it will be buff for Massive Dragon, Guard, Heavy Armor etc. It is probably better idea than buff Fractal, Rage, Eternity etc...

Simple comparing SoF with Butterfly show how much is it OP. SoF is 2in1 card and it is cheaper than Butterfly which need 2 cards to destroy permament (creature+BE). So destroy Permament by BE cost about 8 :entropy (Micro Abo + BE + activate skill). In SoF cost 3 random.

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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443563#msg443563
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I am ready to test it.
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Re: Shard of Focus https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35191.msg443568#msg443568
« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2011, 12:34:59 pm »
IMO it needs a complete ability change.
Reusable PC for colorless is way too OP in any form.

The black hole part is pretty.
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