Sapphire Charger | Elite Charger

[TheCrazyMango]

if antimatter reduced the attack, the effect would be the exact same on all creatures.

[Flash fire]

Its like talking to walls everytime i come up with anything.

The effect is the same on all creatures. The attack is reduced to -1X.
X being the creatures currect attack power.

[TheCrazyMango]

Its like talking to walls everytime i come up with anything.

The effect is the same on all creatures. The attack is reduced to -1X.
X being the creatures currect attack power.

reducing is subtraction, -1X is multiplication

[Flash fire]

Is it lowering the attack below its original attack value or not? Either way its less than what it was and if the card claims to be invulnerable to attack reducing... which it is then it should not effect it

[RavingRabbid]

I can't really see its weaknesses.

[willng3]

Yes, reduction has absolutely nothing to do with multiplication.  Need proof?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reduce (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reduce) - Find a single place that involves math where it says multiply instead of remove, subtract or its opposite, addition and I will admit you are right.  I have no problem being a "wall" when I understand how a word is correctly defined.

[jmizzle7]

The entire phrase, "Damage caused by the Sapphire Charger can not be reduced," is grammatically correct. However, it doesn't need to be there (and probably shouldn't be there), because that's really not how Momentum functions and is merely an explanation that distracts from Momentum's true effect. "Shields are ignored" is the real effect of Momentum, as illustrated by the wording of the card, Momentum.

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If Momentum is supposed to be resilient to any kind of damage reduction, then Steam Machine with Momentum status would be immune to the 'steam' cooldown of its active skill. This, obviously, is not how Momentum is meant to function.

Here are two potential fixes for the wording on Charger:

• Eliminate the phrase, "Damage cause by... can not be reduced." This makes the card easy to read.
• Move the text around a little bit, resulting in the following:
  This option would make the damage reduction resistance innate to Charger. What this means is that any spells or effects that would decrease attack power would not work on Sapphire Charger, completely independent of Momentum status.

I guess a wording change could be considered a buff/nerf, but Flash Fire, discussions about grammar should be in the discussion topic of the card itself.

[RootRanger]

There is logic behind reasoning for why the elite charger does 3 more damage.

Sapphire charger: 3 damage (3 quantum) + Momentum (2 quantum).
Elite charger: 6 damage (4 quantum) + Unstoppable (1 quantum).

It is reasonable for an unupped card to do damage equal to its cost and for an upped card to do damage 2 higher than its cost.
However, the logic behind the cost is flawed because one would rarely plan to use momentum on a card with just 3 damage. Thus, I believe the unupped sapphire charger could use a small buff to compensate this. However, the graviton merc needs a buff more than the sapphire charger. The graviton merc has the same health, one less damage for one less cost, but no momentum.

[Dragoon1140]

There is logic behind reasoning for why the elite charger does 3 more damage.

Sapphire charger: 3 damage (3 quantum) + Momentum (2 quantum).
Elite charger: 6 damage (4 quantum) + Unstoppable (1 quantum).

That argument would make a ton of sense... if Sapphire Charger didn't have 4 attack instead of 3. 

[RootRanger]

I should probably clarify a bit. The charger costs 5 quantum for 4 damage and the momentum ability. 3 damage usually costs 3 quantum, and the momentum ability + 1 damage (the momentum card) costs 2 quantum. The elite charger costs 5 quantum for 7 damage and the momentum ability. 6 damage for an upped card usually costs 4 quantum, and the momentum ability + 1 damage (the unstoppable card) costs 1 quantum.

[ddevans96]

There is logic behind reasoning for why the elite charger does 3 more damage.

Sapphire charger: 3 damage (3 quantum) + Momentum (2 quantum).
Elite charger: 6 damage (4 quantum) + Unstoppable (1 quantum).

That argument would make a ton of sense... if Sapphire Charger didn't have 4 attack instead of 3. 

Elite Charger also has seven so I'm assuming that extra one is from momentum, just like the spell.

[Flash fire]

What a coincidence i got a definition of reduced as well.


"To bring to a humbler, weaker, difficult, or forced state or condition"

That forced state is antimatter and the target is the attack power.