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Title: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on December 26, 2020, 08:20:51 pm
There is a remake on the way using the Unity engine! For more infos check this thread!

https://elementscommunity.org/forum/general-discussion/elements-the-game-as-a-unity-game-for-smartphones/

2022.10.12.

Your other option is to use OETG (http://etg.dek.im), which is a continuation of the game by the community (led by serprex).
It has a legacy version (old rules), and an updated version with new cards.

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SAD LATEST NEWS.

Elementsthegame.com has expired, you won't find anything on the server. :(

Many files are still accessible through web.archive.org:

web.archive.org/web/*/http://elementsthegame.com/* (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://elementsthegame.com/*)

2022.10.03.

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FRESH STUFF.

Right now though you can access the server and www.elementsthegame.com will load the login screen if you can enable Flash somehow (read down),
but you will be greeted with a "Couldn't connect to server" text. Sad, very sad. This is the case since mid-July. An important flash file is missing (elt134.swf),
which is strange, since the login screen stayed (elt1327.swf).

So what can we do now? Waiting for a miracle (Zanz wakes up from million years of slumber - 0.000001% chance), or play serp's oetg-vanilla (read down).
Third option is having fun in the trainer - but sadly you cannot access your sweet unique cards, marks etc. Yes, oddly enough, the trainer works,
if you enable Flash!

http://elementsthegame.com/trainer.html

2021.09.20.
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Old habits die hard, so I want to access my account at least for rolling Nymphs or for some occasional PvP-fun.

Let's summarize our options with the (seeming) death of Flash.

1. I want to use original Elements The Game regularly.

a) Use an older version of your browser and set back your computer's time (before Jan 12th) whenever you want to access the game.

This is the easiest. Set back time, load up Elements, set current time. For example Firefox 84.0 works perfectly. Supposedly all browser versions after 2020 block Flash contents.
Last browser versions supporting Flash: Firefox version 84, Microsoft Edge version 87*, Chrome version 87.

For mobile users Puffin is the recommended browser, since it'ill run Flash in the cloud, safely.

Flash's "self-destruct" is so lame (I think it is intended) it won't really delete itself  (though will notify you from time to time that you should delete it), just won't work
if your system's date is after Jan 12th. Also Microsoft released an update for Windows 10 which blocks Flash. You might want to get rid of "Adobe Flash Removal Update for Windows 10 – KB4577586"
if you still want to use Flash.

There is also a nice tutorial (https://charleswilkinson.co.uk/2021/01/12/how-to-use-flash-in-2021/) about how to auto-enable Flash on certain sites, for example on www.elementsthegame.com.

*(According to Joker Edge will work under MacOS, too, guess last version is the same.)

b) Use an older version of your browser and an older version of Flash which doesn't have the "self-destruct" method.

Even easier method, the problem that earlier Flash versions contain more potentially dangerous security holes.

c) Use Flash player emulators/enablers/extensions like Ruffle (https://ruffle.rs/#what-is-ruffle) or SuperNova (https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/supernova-swf-enabler/mhmphnocemakkjdampibehejoaleebpo).

More testing is needed with these. With Ruffler you can access your Elements login, but you cannot play Arena, use the Oracle or save your progress.
Maybe later versions will address these problems. Have no data on SuperNova right now, please report if you have any experiences!

d) Use BlueMaxima's Flashpoint (https://bluemaxima.org/flashpoint/).

Sadly, this will allow you only some sandboxing, which means you can't play Arena, use the Oracle or play PvP. AI works, though and you can farm cards,
or edit your locally stored cardlist. There are some Elements-related info about Flashpoint here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/general-discussion/flashpoint/).

2. I want to use something similar like Elements The Game.

Your option is to play OpenETG (https://etg.dek.im), which has spawned from Elements, and created by fellow players. Contains old cards,
which might work similarly or a bit differently, and there are tons of new cards added. You can access it by clicking here (https://etg.dek.im/).

Also, you can play the game with the original rules and cards, because it has a Legacy option. Rules are the same, graphics are often different.
Inside there you will find a button to import your hard earned Nymphs and codes from Elements. And you can also PvP here with your friends.



Summarizing all this. Using 1a, 1b and 1c there is some security risk, because Flash is famous about being exploitable. Can't tell you percentages and odds.
This is an option for those players who like to stick what they like and maybe a bit nostalgic than others. Using 1d isn't risky, because everything goes offline.
But no real access to server things... Option 2 is for those who want to move on - meanwhile having a chance of playing the legacy version of the game.


From what I read it seems the only option is to have an earlier version of a browser, and don't let it update itself.
Can anyone tell how to install another instance of Firefox and keep it old and separated from my "main" Firefox?

Plus I saw this today:

(https://i.ibb.co/tmbXyvV/flash.png)

How to trick that stupid Adobe Flash from breaking our access to Flash-content? Or will it be just the usual blocking
which can be circumvented by clicking it and allowing access for running the stuff?
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: serprex on December 26, 2020, 08:35:03 pm
You have to use an old version of Flash that doesn't have the self destruct logic

https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/debug_downloads.html or try using Flash content debugger

ofc for pvp fun you'll have better luck finding someone to play with openEtG (https://etg.dek.im)'s Legacy Mode
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on December 26, 2020, 09:35:25 pm
I will use legacy for sure, but I'm a nostalgic type. :) Thx for the tips!
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: dragonsdemesne on December 28, 2020, 11:56:32 am
I've been using internet explorer for Elements.  No other browser seems to want to run flash anymore.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: serprex on January 01, 2021, 06:08:08 pm
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25604447 this thread outlines how to get an old enough version of Flash
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on January 12, 2021, 10:33:50 am
Easiest method:

- don't update web browser;
- set back date every time when loading up Elements (then set normal date back).

 8-)
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: dragonsdemesne on January 12, 2021, 11:36:12 pm
Hmm yeah even IE won't run it anymore.  Just tried today and I got the same thing.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: dawn to dusk on January 13, 2021, 01:04:05 am
Flashpoint exists to play the base game with no arena, no pvp, no Oracle, Legacy exists for at least PvP
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: RonWeasley255 on January 14, 2021, 03:38:55 pm
Flashpoint exists to play the base game with no arena, no pvp, no Oracle, Legacy exists for at least PvP
So I know that Elements is on Flashpoint, but does anyone know if it saves progress? Or rather, if you can access your old account?
I've been playing Elements for several years now and have gotten pretty attached to both my deck and playstyle. I know I could just grind for a little while and rebuild the deck from the ground up, but that would take quite some time considering the rares necessary, and I don't see the point in re-grinding if my progress won't save.
This is also probably the wrong place to post this question but IDK. New to the Forums, old to the game.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Fippe94 on January 14, 2021, 04:14:09 pm
Flashpoint exists to play the base game with no arena, no pvp, no Oracle, Legacy exists for at least PvP
So I know that Elements is on Flashpoint, but does anyone know if it saves progress? Or rather, if you can access your old account?
I've been playing Elements for several years now and have gotten pretty attached to both my deck and playstyle. I know I could just grind for a little while and rebuild the deck from the ground up, but that would take quite some time considering the rares necessary, and I don't see the point in re-grinding if my progress won't save.
This is also probably the wrong place to post this question but IDK. New to the Forums, old to the game.
You'll find some answers here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/general-discussion/flashpoint/
Basically you cannot access the server and your old account, it only saves locally on your computer. But you can edit the save to include whatever cards you want, including copy data from your old account. You might still be able to get your old data by changing your computer time to before the 12th and then Flash might work.

I recommend to check out openEtG (https://etg.dek.im) and possibly its legacy mode though instead.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: RonWeasley255 on January 14, 2021, 04:35:18 pm
Flashpoint exists to play the base game with no arena, no pvp, no Oracle, Legacy exists for at least PvP
So I know that Elements is on Flashpoint, but does anyone know if it saves progress? Or rather, if you can access your old account?
I've been playing Elements for several years now and have gotten pretty attached to both my deck and playstyle. I know I could just grind for a little while and rebuild the deck from the ground up, but that would take quite some time considering the rares necessary, and I don't see the point in re-grinding if my progress won't save.
This is also probably the wrong place to post this question but IDK. New to the Forums, old to the game.
You'll find some answers here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/general-discussion/flashpoint/
Basically you cannot access the server and your old account, it only saves locally on your computer. But you can edit the save to include whatever cards you want, including copy data from your old account. You might still be able to get your old data by changing your computer time to before the 12th and then Flash might work.

I recommend to check out openEtG and possibly its legacy mode though instead.

Okay, thank you very much!
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: fbparis on January 24, 2021, 10:41:31 am
I have installed the chrome extension for https://ruffle.rs/ and I was able to connect my account. Score, credits and cards are still there and I can play against AI but till now there is no way to connect arena or oracle or save progress.

I hope this will be fixed with next versions of ruffle.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on January 24, 2021, 10:43:26 am
A good idea to send them a feedback. I sorta feel pvp wouldn't work either.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on January 26, 2021, 07:30:07 pm
Edited my first post listing with all current options. anti or serp: can we sticky it somewhere? Like front page of elementscommunity.org?
Lot of guests arriving in blab and they often don't get a full answer about the possibilities.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Mobian on January 28, 2021, 07:25:59 pm
Just tried rolling my clock back to 2020 and was able to log in and play on Firefox.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: aismaelinc on February 08, 2021, 05:15:28 pm
Hi @Wyand I used the CORS Unblock 0.1.7
Addon for Chrome and also with Ruffle.
Because console says it was a cors right Network Problem
Than the Saving-Funktion worked for me.
I hope that can Help you, too and PVP works also with it.
The Elements game Connetion Site
[www.elementsthegame.com/connections.html]
 says it should.


Regards Aismael
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on February 08, 2021, 06:06:22 pm
Hi aismael!

I don't use Chrome, but hopefully it can be helpful for Chrome users.
I checked how CORS works - could you elaborate on what options are useful?

Wyand
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: serprex on February 08, 2021, 07:31:51 pm
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/CORS
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Manuel on March 13, 2021, 01:12:30 am
start vaping
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Joker on May 23, 2021, 12:41:38 am
Hey folks -

Connected with Wyand earlier and we thought these tips could be helpful for others

I use a Mac so I got around the flash problem by running the game using Edge - if you run the game with Edge, it will ask you if you want to run Flash and it's fairly simple to launch the game that way.

If you want to play Elements on mobile, which I did, the other trip is to run elements on Puffin app. It's a mobile browser that runs Adobe Flash in the Cloud so you can play Elements in Puffin.

Have fun all!

Joker
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: J617 on June 06, 2021, 09:56:20 am
(http://i.imgur.com/VFP8DBl.jpg)


I read a post in chat which may be helpful to some.  As I am not computer savvy, there are some instructions which I don't understand, but I thought that it would be best to post here to hopefully be of help to some.

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[04:52:39] ‹Guest-DuneScorpion-9ba53› well wanted to say, if people still want to play original element and not keep an old browser/flash install around, there is a workaround:
[04:52:56] ‹Guest-DuneScorpion-9ba53› First download this file (no install) https://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/flashplayer/updaters/32/flashplayer_32_sa_debug.exe
[04:53:12] ‹Guest-DuneScorpion-9ba53› it's an old standalone flash that was used to debug programs.
[04:53:25] ‹Guest-DuneScorpion-9ba53› then open the source page of elements and download the SWF file (edit, here's the link: http://elementsthegame.com/elt134.swf)
[04:53:47] ‹Guest-DuneScorpion-9ba53› then throw the swf file into the standalone and login to elements!
[04:54:21] ‹Guest-DuneScorpion-9ba53› no need for browser anymore and no risk to see it autoupdate or get vulnerabilities. Enjoy

Janice
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on July 23, 2021, 12:24:20 pm
Wake up Zanz, and fix the server! :(
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: serprex on July 23, 2021, 12:52:27 pm
Wake up Zanz, and fix the server! :(

More likely Zanz woke up & noticed ad revenue wasn't covering hosting
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on July 23, 2021, 01:56:34 pm
Then he should find some cheaper hosting which is capable of caring for the 10 ppl daily. Or maybe setting up a server at home. :P
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: MasterWalks on July 23, 2021, 07:06:01 pm
I used to use an old Xbox1 as a server for the game Ark a few years ago. Anyone got a Xbox they wanna dedicate? Lol
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on August 08, 2021, 11:42:50 pm
I read a post in chat which may be helpful to some.  As I am not computer savvy, there are some instructions which I don't understand, but I thought that it would be best to post here to hopefully be of help to some.

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[04:53:25] ‹Guest-DuneScorpion-9ba53› then open the source page of elements and download the SWF file (edit, here's the link: http://elementsthegame.com/elt134.swf)

Janice

This file is no longer accessible. Anyone downloaded it?

By the way today I tried to login again.

(https://i.ibb.co/B37bjMs/thehorror.png)

Also searched google for Elements, and saw pictures of the cards... hurts a lot. :( Before the vanishing I wanted to make screenshots
ALL of the cards (ok I can check wikis, not the same quality), plus at least look at my dear Nymphs one last time... I don't even have a screenshot
of ALL my Nymphs/Marks. :(
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: serprex on August 12, 2021, 01:45:01 pm
http://elementsthegame.com/elt1327.swf

Not that it'll do you any good without the servers working. I guess you could mess with your HOSTS file to mock the server (like I was trying to do with elementstheproxy). But maybe useful if you want to extract resources like images etc
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on August 13, 2021, 02:38:50 pm
Downloaded the adobe flash debugger, and yep, same stuff, cannot login. Sadly dunno how to locate and "hack" the mentioned HOSTS file.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: serprex on August 13, 2021, 05:51:55 pm
Downloaded the adobe flash debugger, and yep, same stuff, cannot login. Sadly dunno how to locate and "hack" the mentioned HOSTS file.

HOSTS is this: https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/27350/beginner-geek-how-to-edit-your-hosts-file

But by "hack" I mean you'd rewrite the elements server & then redirect requests to elementsthegame.com to that server instead of Zanz's

For reference elementstheproxy (https://github.com/serprex/elementstheproxy/blob/master/server.js) tried to implement enough requests to handle matchmaking. You'd have to extend that with at least logging in
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on January 26, 2022, 09:56:40 pm
Anybody have the original .swf files archived?
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: l00k on October 03, 2022, 12:47:26 am
Now after expiration of elementsthegame.com domain non of mentioned possibilities to play game work.
Even trainer was requesting single file from that server and now it is impossible to use it.
So I decompiled game, removed request to that file and saved.
Now trainer works (at least it is possible to run it):
dropbox . com /sh/sx9wdz52tgtxbb8/AAC17K36FfQrj2LJAJZS8VK8a?dl=0

Sadly it is only possible to input AI deck. It is not possible to just play with any level AI, cuz decks7.txt probably contains list of opponent decks.
Does anyone has this file?
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Wyand on October 03, 2022, 11:09:29 am
Thx for doing that!

It is sad that even the domain name has expired. :( I mean, thanks for Zanz for running the show for this long, but...

Zanz, if you ever drop in here, how about releasing ALL OF THE FILES? I'm sure it would make happy quite a few ppl to have
this gem at least for old times' memories. Or if some of the mods have still contact with Zanz, pls, convince him to do so.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: l00k on October 04, 2022, 03:43:06 pm
Lot of files accessible here
web.archive.org /web/*/http://elementsthegame.com/*
Including mentioned above swf files.
Sadly no text files with decks :/
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Winters on October 11, 2022, 05:28:11 am
Noooooooooooooooooooo0ooooooooooooooo.

Anyway, download Flashpoint 10.1.0.7 Infinity. It's a compilation of flash games, pretty much all of them, ever. You can download Elements but, obviously, you can't log in to your account as the server is gone. You can play the game but only as a new player.

It's not really a solution but if you wanted some nostalgia.
Title: Re: What to do after the death of Flash?
Post by: Higurashi on October 11, 2022, 08:50:32 am
https://elementscommunity.org/forum/general-discussion/elements-the-game-as-a-unity-game-for-smartphones/

Pretty good substitute considering it has a server for saving your progress. There's also a web version in that thread.
blarg: Joker