Unified Elements PVP Achievements Leaderboard

[theelkspeaks]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1at86AAoCMzsrK7Iyd7AXd_JzrBEunNHkD57urWvHIRk/

As some of you have heard, I've begun construction on a Unified PVP Achievements Leaderboard for the Elements Community.

If you think anything else should be added to the list of achievements tracked, let me know!

Players earn points through any of the following:
Being on a top 2 War team (bonus points for the General)
Holding a Term of a Mastership
Placing in the Top 8 at the World Championship
Placing in any season of the BL/CL (top 6 or 7, depending on the season)
Placing top 3 in a weekly tournament
Placing top 2 in a PVP Event with under 25 players, or top 4 with over 25 players.
Being a member of a top 2 TPVP team, or the top 2 teams of any team PVP event.

Exact scoring system and full results will be published later, but I wanted to publish the first sub-list.

Top BL/CL Players of all time:
1. Odii Odsen, 1050 pts.
2. Calindu, 725 pts.
3. dragonsdemesne, 700 pts.
4. Vangelios, 535 pts.
5. (tie)RavingRabbid525 pts.
5. (tie)RootRanger, 525 pts.
7. GG, 510 pts.
8. (tie) Jenkar, 450 pts.
8. (tie) TStar, 450 pts.
10. Jen-i, 425 pts.

[theelkspeaks]

BL/CL Standings corrected due to a formula error.

[CCCombobreaker]

this is a pretty cool idea.  any chance of google-doc status so we can view a longer list (without you having to manually update this thread all the time)?

[theelkspeaks]

this is a pretty cool idea.  any chance of google-doc status so we can view a longer list (without you having to manually update this thread all the time)?

Coming Soon (TM)!

Just posting a few updates for now while I'm working on it.  And yes, it's being done in google docs!

[Higurashi]

Runner-up War team should probably get some points as well. It takes anything from a lot to a metric crapton of work and ability to get there.
I don't think getting 3rd in a tourney is worth anything, but getting to the finals would be.

[Dm]

I believe that in case of ties, the one who got the most amount of points earlier should take precedence, if it is even possible to trace that.
It is undeniable that we had more competition in the past than we have today.

[MegroN]

A yearly leaderboard would also be awesome

[RootRanger]

I would like to present my idea for weighting. It's as simple, logical, and unbiased as I could make it. I should hope this is something we can all agree on.

The main idea is that rewards are proportional to the number of competitors. A tournament with 64 competitors would be worth 4 times as many points as a tournament with only 16. It is, of course, 4 times as impressive to win a tournament with 4 times as many players. This is fairly simple, but not perfect by itself. Thus, I have added a few multipliers.

Rewards are doubled for longer events. When an event has more matches, it's a greater achievement to win. This multiplier applies to War, Trials, Leagues - basically everything except tournaments and a few of the PvP Events. The rule I have in mind is that if it's single elimination (such as TCOB1 and Colosseum), there is no multiplier. If it is double elimination - or there's some other way for players to only be eliminated after multiple losses - then the reward is doubled.

Rewards are doubled for events that limit the number of players who enter based on achievement. When the players competing are usually somewhat experienced, the competition is tougher, so the rewards are higher. This multiplier applies to Trials, CL, and WC.

Lastly...rewards are doubled for more "prestigious events." I don't personally like this idea, but some people think it's important. This multiplier would apply to War, Trials, and WC.

1st place would be worth full points, 2nd place would be half, and 3rd place would be one third. This is because there are twice as many top 2 finishers as there are winners.

Let's look at a few of the recent events, using this system.

Tournament (16 players) - 16 points for 1st, 8 points for 2nd, 5 points for 3rd.
CL (24 players) - 24*2*2=96 points for 1st, 48 for 2nd, 32 for 3rd, 24 for 4th.
BL (37 players) - 37*2=74 points for 1st, 37 for 2nd, 25 for 3rd, 19 for 4th.
TPvP (15 teams) - 15*2=30 points for 1st, 15 for 2nd, 10 for 3rd.
War (12 teams) - 12*2*2=48 points for 1st, 24 for 2nd, 16 for 3rd.
Trials of Light (4 players) - 4*2*2*2=16 points for 1st.
World Championship (21 players) - 21*2*2*2 = 84 points for 1st, 42 for 2nd, 28 for 3rd.

Thoughts?

[Vangelios]

I really liked the punctuation system Root
And Elk, Tstar still the best in the BL. He is the Best of All Times of leagues, because nobody has three leagues.

[theelkspeaks]

Based on received feedback, I'm going to make some changes in the (yet undisclosed) formula.

-Top 2 War Teams will receive points, not just the winning team (change was previously made, but unannounced).  Both generals receive the successful War General bonus.
-The value of a top 2 War finish was decreased to bring it back in line with other events.  War General Bonuses were increased as compensation.
-Trials were reduced in value by one category.
-Weekly Tournaments are increased in value.
-Team PVP Events are reduced in value.

Furthermore, regardless of completion dates, results will not be revealed until Trials voting has concluded.  At least one person has messaged me asking me to hold off on releasing the results, so that my standings don't affect Trials voting, and I will respect that request.

[theelkspeaks]

And Elk, Tstar still the best in the BL. He is the Best of All Times of leagues, because nobody has three leagues.

Vangelios, in my opinion, you have to win over and over to truly be the best.  Odii Odsen, who I currently crowned as the all time Leagues champion, has 10 straight top 5 finishes across BL and CL.

TStar has 3 BL first place finishes in a row, but no other top 6/7 finishes.

There's certainly a fair case to be made here for Odii.

Just excerpting other notes about the other top League players, to compare with TStar's three BL firsts and no other placing:

- Calindu has a 1st place, 2 2nd places, and 2 4th places, all in CL (which, especially in the days before double participation was allowed, always attracted a tougher crowd of players).
- dragonsdemesne has 6 consecutive top 3 finishes, including a BL 1st, a CL 2nd, and a CL 3rd.
- Vangelios: 4 straight top-3 finishes in BL, including a 1st place, followed by a 4th place.


Just some food for thought.

[ddevans96]

No one else has ever won three leagues in a row, ever. TStar didn't win any more leagues because he got tired of dominating and never played leagues again. Having actually played him and talked to him, he's the best league player ever.