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How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1267140#msg1267140
« on: August 17, 2017, 03:08:50 pm »
From the experience I had with the game, the only way to actually kill an immortal creature is using a damage dealing shield such as the Thorn Carapace, Fire Shield and Skull Shield, but if this creature also have momentum, it's nearly impossible to kill it. The only way I can think of killing an immortal creature with momentum is if it have a devour skill and use it on a poisonous creature (Otyugh eating a Forest Scorpion). An indirect way to "remove" an immortal creature from the board is by using the Chimera card and combining it with something else. What do you guys think? Is there any other way to kill an immaterial creature with momentum?

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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1267141#msg1267141
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2017, 03:14:43 pm »
I wouldn't call this killing, but it'll disable (enemy) Immaterial creature all the same: a reflective shield and Shard of Wisdom. Have that reflective shield (I usually capitalise card names, but I decided against it this time since Reflective and Emerald Shields are reflective, capable of reflecting spell damage) equipped and then force feed opposing Immaterial creature one Shard of Wisdom. It'll make said creature deal spell damage (and overwrites its ability to deal momentum damage), which is reflected by your own reflective shield ... go figure.
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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1267142#msg1267142
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2017, 03:16:15 pm »
Not as far as I know, but you can still prevent it from damaging you with sundial or SoSac. Another very situational option is to use SoW on the creature while you have a reflective shield out.

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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1267143#msg1267143
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2017, 09:00:41 pm »
Flooding also works if the creature is in the flooded area. Besides that, you can't kill it.

On the other hand how often do you see an immaterial creature with monumentum?
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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1267144#msg1267144
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2017, 09:14:29 pm »
flooding doesnt affect immortal creatures, including creatures that you summon in a flooded area and use quint on before ending your turn. Using both momentum and quintessences(or even more roundabout ways to gain immortality) usually comes with great sacrifices, so an approprieate reaction is to just kill them faster than they can set up properly.
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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1267147#msg1267147
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2017, 03:43:24 am »
Just use Shard of Sacrifice ;)

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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1267179#msg1267179
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2017, 01:38:00 pm »
The point of immortals is to not be killable. Trying to kill them is against the point and you're going to have a bad time trying.

This begs the question: Why do you want to kill an immortal?

If you want to slow it down:
- Sanctuary, Shard of Gratitude, Vampire Stiletto mitigates its damage potential.
- Sundial, Shard of Sacrifice prevents it from dealing damage to you.

The downside of immortals is that they actually have a terrible attack/cost ratio: 6 aether for 4 attack and 7 aether for 5 attack upped. For reference, weapons tend to have 5 power for 3 quanta, and Psion has 4 attack and shield bypass for 4 quanta.
Now, chucking Shard of Wisdom onto these guys makes this a lot better, but you're still looking at 8/9 attack for 9 and two cards, which puts it on the same scale as dragons/nymphs.

Dragons, Nymphs, and immortals are extremely slow. By the time you've even cast an immortal, a proper rush deck can have most of its power up and running, even unupped - Grabbow can have a graboid and arsenic turn 3 for 14+ damage a turn. An immorush probably has a turn one lava golem - 5+ damage by the first turn and increasing. By the time you have that single immortal out, monolife has a frog and adrenaline for 12 damage a turn. It's an entirely viable strategy to be faster than the immortal deck.

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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1268748#msg1268748
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2017, 01:48:34 pm »
Now, chucking Shard of Wisdom onto these guys makes this a lot better, but you're still looking at 8/9 attack for 9 and two cards, which puts it on the same scale as dragons/nymphs.

Dragons and Nymphs can still be killed, though.
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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1268782#msg1268782
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2017, 02:02:03 pm »
Note the 9 and two cards.
Makes a world of difference.

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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1268804#msg1268804
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2017, 11:35:15 pm »
Ah, okay. You are right.
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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1268950#msg1268950
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2017, 11:22:09 pm »
Is it really as simple as using Shards now? I feel so dumb lol
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Re: How to kill immortal creatures with momentum https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=64770.msg1268960#msg1268960
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2017, 05:13:05 am »
Me, too. Never thought of it that way. But then again, I am a Water-user, so there is not any respective shield or Shard of Wisdom in my deck.
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