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The Complete War Rankings!
View ALL war rankings conveniently placed in one thread so you don't have to go searching through multiple threads in the archives. Plus cool stuff like win/loss ratios!
War Rankings calculated by round eliminated then win percentage
(official ranking system)
| War 1 | War 2 | War 3 | War 4 | War 5 | War 6 | War 7 | War 8 |
| 1st | :fire | :entropy | :fire | :death | :aether | :aether | :aether | :fire |
| 2nd | :entropy | :fire | :aether | :light | :time | :air | :air | :darkness |
| 3rd | :earth | :air | :entropy | :time | :fire | :entropy | :time | :time |
| 4th | :light | :life | :underworld | :darkness | :air | :time | :gravity | :aether |
| 5th | :death | :underworld | :death | :earth | :darkness | :water | :earth | :entropy |
| 6th | :time | :aether | :earth | :entropy | :life | :gravity | :death | :light |
| 7th | :gravity | :time | :time | :gravity | :death | :earth | :entropy | :water |
| 8th | :darkness | :death | :darkness | :fire | :light | :light | :darkness | :air |
| 9th | :aether | :light | :water | :aether | :entropy | :darkness | :fire | :death |
| 10th | :air | :darkness | :life | :air | :water | :fire | :life | :earth |
| 11th | :water | :earth | :light | :water | :earth | :death | :water | :gravity |
| 12th | :life | :gravity | :air | :life | :gravity | :life | :light | :life |
| 13th | | :water | :gravity | :underworld | | | | |
Point Rankings (1st place=12 points, 12 place=1 point, UW removed)
| 1st | :aether - 72 |
| 2nd | :time - 71 |
| 3rd | :fire - 69 |
| 4th | :entropy - 68 |
| 5th | :death - 54 |
| 5th | :air - 54 |
| 7th | :darkness - 52 |
| 8th | :earth - 48 |
| 9th | :light - 46 |
| 10th | :gravity - 34 |
| 11th | :water - 29 |
| 12th | :life - 27 |
War Rankings calculated by round eliminated then cards left in vault
(old ranking system - War 5 and 6 use the new ranking system)
| War 1 | War 2 | War 3 | War 4 | War 5 | War 6 |
| 1st | :fire | :entropy | :fire | :death | :aether | :aether |
| 2nd | :entropy | :air | :aether | :light | :time | :air |
| 3rd | :earth | :life | :entropy | :darkness | :fire | :entropy |
| 4th | :death | :fire | :underworld | :time | :air | :time |
| 5th | :time | :aether | :death | :fire | :darkness | :water |
| 6th | :light | :time | :earth | :entropy | :life | :gravity |
| 7th | :gravity | :underworld | :time | :earth | :death | :earth |
| 8th | :darkness | :earth | :darkness | :gravity | :light | :light |
| 9th | :aether | :light | :air | :aether | :entropy | :darkness |
| 10th | :air | :death | :light | :air | :water | :fire |
| 11th | :water | :gravity | :water | :water | :earth | :death |
| 12th | :life | :darkness | :life | :life | :gravity | :life |
| 13th | | :water | :gravity | :underworld | |
Point Rankings (1st place=12 points, 12 place=1 point, UW removed)
| 1st | :entropy - 54 |
| 2nd | :fire - 53 |
| 3rd | :time - 51 |
| 3rd | :aether - 51 |
| 5th | :death - 42 |
| 5th | :air - 42 |
| 7th | :earth - 38 |
| 8th | :light - 37 |
| 9th | :darkness - 35 |
| 10th | :gravity - 23 |
| 11th | :life - 22 |
| 12th | :water - 18 |
Win/Loss Ratios across all Wars
(http://i.imgur.com/gUHHpxJ.png)
Related Links
Historical War Standings (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,41608.0.html)
War 1 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7669.0.html)
War 2 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AnWd2TBnFwjsdEVVQndCeFUzV3p6OW9NazZsRWpXb3c&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 3 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AkPg5hwmtLisdEQ3NHNJVmxENDZRLWpxTkdUbFo5Z3c&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 4 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31686.0.html)
War 5 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,39035.0.html)
War 6 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,46188.0.html)
War 7 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-7-standings/)
War 8 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-8-standings/)
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Bumping this thread momentarily so that I could also do a new set of statistics:
-ACTUAL number of games won/lost per element.
-Most valuable/used card (MVC/MUC) for each element in each war
-etc.
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Please readjust for the non-SG tiebreakers.
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Please readjust for the non-SG tiebreakers.
Agreed.
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Please readjust for the non-SG tiebreakers.
Sure, although can you explain what you mean by that because I have no clue :P
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Please readjust for the non-SG tiebreakers.
Sure, although can you explain what you mean by that because I have no clue :P
The old tiebreakers for standings used round eliminated, then cards left after that round as a tiebreaker. We now use round eliminated, and then overall win percentage for the entire war as a tiebreaker.
Given a short while I can compile this well.
War 1:
:fire won war, 29-12
:entropy round 9, 18-13
:earth round 8, 29-14
:light round 7, 16-14
:death round 7, 13-12
:time round 7, 8-13
:gravity round 4, 9-11
:darkness round 4, 9-12
:aether round 3, 4-12
:air round 3, 3-10
:water round 2, 2-10
:life round 2, 1-11
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WAR RANKINGS BY ROUND ELIMINATED THEN WIN PERCENTAGE
See ddevans' above post for War 1 info
War 2
1. :entropy 60 21
Round 10
2. :fire 40 29
3. :air 30 29
4. :life 23 30
Round 9
5. :underworld 8 9
6. :aether 25 29
7. :time 22 28
Round 8
8. :death 31 28
9. :light 30 29
10. :darkness 25 26
11. :earth 22 27
12. :gravity 15 31
Round 6
13. :water 13 28
War 3
1. :fire 46 28
Round 16
2. :aether 59 32
Round 15
3. :entropy 33 30
Round 14
4. :underworld 16 13
Round 13
5. :death 36 30
Round 10
6. :earth 26 28
7. :time 16 27
Round 9
8. :darkness 29 27
Round 7
9. :water 26 28
10. :life 22 27
11. :light 19 27
12. :air 17 25
Round 5
13. :gravity 7 27
War 4
1. :death 30 21
Round 10 (Eliminated final round)
2. :light 21 20
Round 10 (Eliminated semifinal round)
3. :time 34 24
4. :darkness 19 19
Round 10 (Eliminated 2nd round)
5. :earth 33 23
6. :entropy 34 24
7. :gravity 15 20
8. :fire 11 18
Round 9
9. :aether 23 21
10. :air 16 21
11. :water 12 20
Round 7
12. :life 9 19
13. :underworld 4 11
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Feels bad man.
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could you make a new table with new tie breakers? :3 (spoilers are lurvable)
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Feels bad man.
Didn't think I'd need this chocolate stash for myself.
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With the conclusion of War 5, this thread is complete! Now go and discuss its contents.
Also, congratulations Aether!
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Disclaimer: As the Idea Guru, my knowledge is mostly theoretical. War is not theoretical.
There is a lot of variance in an elements ranking from war to war. This indicates to me that either player skill (including all skills involved in War) or luck has a higher impact on the results than the element chosen. However if we look at the extremes of Fire and Water (sorry man) we can see that either Water gets abnormally bad skill/luck (extremely unlikely) or the element chosen does still have a visible impact.
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I believe there's both.
Look at how time changed after 10 men kicked in, for example.
Also, this war i think our team (air) was the biggest reason we became fourth.
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Water gets abnormally bad luck
This was true War #4. We had a very bad RNG loss against Aether this time too.
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The element you must use is the first one as importance and then the deckbuilding and prediction skills(first example that comes in mind is Gravity team).
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The element you must use is the first one as importance and then the deckbuilding and prediction skills(first example that comes in mind is Gravity team).
In my own opinion, both team's skill and element have the same importance.
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There is a lot of variance in an elements ranking from war to war. This indicates to me that either player skill (including all skills involved in War) or luck has a higher impact on the results than the element chosen.
I'd add variance in rules from War to War as a third variable. Just as an example, in War 1 there was no conversion rule, so a team like Death who was never able to salvage a single Death card was more likely to have to suicide than some other teams. In War 4 a couple teams didn't find a Strategist, had trouble adjusting to the new Google doc based vault, and suffered penalties. Etc.
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I've updated this topic with the War 6 Results. Here are some of the changes from post-War 5 to post-War 6.
Changes in Standings across all Wars from War 5 to War 6
+1 ^ Entropy
-1 v Fire
0 Time
+2 ^ Aether
-1 v Earth
0 Light
+3 ^ Air
-2 v Darkness
-1 v Light
0 Life
+1 ^ Gravity
0 Water
Changes in Win/Loss Ratio across all Wars from War 5 to War 6
0 Entropy
+1 ^ Aether
-1 v Fire
+1 ^ Earth
-1 v Death
0 Time
+2 ^ Air
-1 v Darkness
-1 v Light
0 Water
0 Life
0 Gravity
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+1 ^ Entropy
-1 v Fire
0 Time
+2 ^ Aether
-1 v Earth
0 Light
+3 ^ Air
-2 v Darkness
-1 v Light
0 Life
+1 ^ Gravity
0 Water
Two Lights?
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+1 ^ Entropy
-1 v Fire
0 Time
+2 ^ Aether
-1 v Earth
0 Light
+3 ^ Air
-2 v Darkness
-1 v Light
0 Life
+1 ^ Gravity
0 Water
Two Lights?
"Light" between Earth and Air is Death.
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Updated info with War 7. Didn't bother updating the rankings that are based on using elimination round as tiebreaker since it's fairly nonsensical.
This war has thrown around the total standings quite a bit, and has a lot of records associated with it.
- First of all, of course, Aether is the first and only team to ever win 3 Wars.
- They are also the first and only team to ever win both 2 Wars and 3 Wars in a row.
- With this War, Aether also took over the #1 spot in point rankings, which Entropy had previously owned since War 2.
- In addition to Aether passing Entropy, Time also passed Entropy thanks to this War where Entropy got their second worst ranking yet; 7th.
Other teams have performed by different standards than previously as well.
- Gravity nabs the 4th spot this War, which is their best ranking ever. The closest one was #6 in War 6. In other words, are they gaining momentum?
- Light has its worst ranking ever, and having been one of the mid tier elements, it drops from 6th in point ranking to 9th among the low tier elements.
- This also allows Air to take the 6th ranking with its recent good record of #2 in two Wars straight.
Total win % coming.
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In addition to Aether passing Entropy, Time also passed Entropy thanks to this War where Entropy got their worst ranking yet; 7th.
War 5: 9th
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Thanks Higs. I updated the W/L ratios.
- Aether passes Entropy to take a much deserved 1st place with highest Win/Loss ratio across all wars.
- Gravity passes Life to leave Life with the lowest Win/Loss ratio.
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Thanks Higs. I updated the W/L ratios.
- Aether passes Entropy to take a much deserved 1st place with highest Win/Loss ratio across all wars.
- Gravity passes Life to leave Life with the lowest Win/Loss ratio.
If lax stays master of gravy, and gravy gets a decent team, I think they can win the next war.
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So why was underworld kicked from war exactly? I heard they weren't good enough for it but they came 5th war 2 and 4th war 3 which isn't bad.
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Updated info with War 7. Didn't bother updating the rankings that are based on using elimination round as tiebreaker since it's fairly nonsensical.
This war has thrown around the total standings quite a bit, and has a lot of records associated with it.
- First of all, of course, Aether is the first and only team to ever win 3 Wars.
- They are also the first and only team to ever win both 2 Wars and 3 Wars in a row.
- With this War, Aether also took over the #1 spot in point rankings, which Entropy had previously owned since War 2.
- In addition to Aether passing Entropy, Time also passed Entropy thanks to this War where Entropy got their second worst ranking yet; 7th.
Other teams have performed by different standards than previously as well.
- Gravity nabs the 4th spot this War, which is their best ranking ever. The closest one was #6 in War 6. In other words, are they gaining momentum?
- Light has its worst ranking ever, and having been one of the mid tier elements, it drops from 6th in point ranking to 9th among the low tier elements.
- This also allows Air to take the 6th ranking with its recent good record of #2 in two Wars straight.
Total win % coming.
Actually Entropy was tied with Air for the 2nd best win % in War #7.
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The fact that you need to hold a simultaneous tourney to choose their general kinda overcomplicates things. Also, we wouldn't have the players for that recently.
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Actually Entropy was tied with Air for the 2nd best win % in War #7.
Doesn't help the point rankings as you can see.
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Second place is just the first place loser.
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So why was underworld kicked from war exactly? I heard they weren't good enough for it but they came 5th war 2 and 4th war 3 which isn't bad.
Short version: It was a pain in the rear all three wars it existed.
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Is this the time to bump this?
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Updated with War 8 stats.
Changes to the standings using the simple point system:
1st :aether
2nd :time
3rd :fire +1 ^
4rd :entropy -1 v
5th :death
5th :air +1 ^
7th :darkness +1 ^
8th :earth -1 v
9th :light
10th :gravity
11th :water +1 ^
12th :life -1 v
Changes to the standings using win/loss ratio:
1st :aether
2nd :entropy
3rd :fire
4rd :earth
5th :death
6th :time
7th :darkness +1 ^
8th :air -1 v
9th :light
10th :water
11th :gravity
12th :life
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The Complete War Rankings!
Update with War 9 standings - from Legit
View ALL war rankings conveniently placed in one thread so you don't have to go searching through multiple threads in the archives. Plus cool stuff like win/loss ratios!
War Rankings calculated by round eliminated then win percentage
(official ranking system)
| War 1 | War 2 | War 3 | War 4 | War 5 | War 6 | War 7 | War 8 | War 9 |
| 1st | :fire | :entropy | :fire | :death | :aether | :aether | :aether | :fire | :darkness |
| 2nd | :entropy | :fire | :aether | :light | :time | :air | :air | :darkness | :air |
| 3rd | :earth | :air | :entropy | :time | :fire | :entropy | :time | :time | :aether |
| 4th | :light | :life | :underworld | :darkness | :air | :time | :gravity | :aether | :gravity |
| 5th | :death | :underworld | :death | :earth | :darkness | :water | :earth | :entropy | :fire |
| 6th | :time | :aether | :earth | :entropy | :life | :gravity | :death | :light | :earth |
| 7th | :gravity | :time | :time | :gravity | :death | :earth | :entropy | :water | :time |
| 8th | :darkness | :death | :darkness | :fire | :light | :light | :darkness | :air | :entropy |
| 9th | :aether | :light | :water | :aether | :entropy | :darkness | :fire | :death | :death |
| 10th | :air | :darkness | :life | :air | :water | :fire | :life | :earth | :life |
| 11th | :water | :earth | :light | :water | :earth | :death | :water | :gravity | :water |
| 12th | :life | :gravity | :air | :life | :gravity | :life | :light | :life | :light |
| 13th | | :water | :gravity | :underworld | | | | | |
Point Rankings (1st place=12 points, 12 place=1 point, UW removed)
| 1st | :aether | 82 |
| 2nd | :time | 77 |
| 2nd | :fire | 77 |
| 4th | :entropy | 73 |
| 5th | :air | 65 |
| 6th | :darkness | 64 |
| 7th | :death | 58 |
| 8th | :earth | 55 |
| 9th | :light | 47 |
| 10th | :gravity | 43 |
| 11th | :water | 31 |
| 12th | :life | 30 |
Fire moved up to tie for 2nd, Darkness went up a place, Death fell by a place.
Win/Loss Ratios across all Wars
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aA0bisIeJZ6r8YIw3yuXwV_Q85nHH5wgirblBmkyyNI/edit#gid=759546582
Related Links
Historical War Standings (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,41608.0.html)
War 1 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7669.0.html)
War 2 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AnWd2TBnFwjsdEVVQndCeFUzV3p6OW9NazZsRWpXb3c&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 3 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AkPg5hwmtLisdEQ3NHNJVmxENDZRLWpxTkdUbFo5Z3c&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 4 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31686.0.html)
War 5 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,39035.0.html)
War 6 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,46188.0.html)
War 7 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-7-standings/)
War 8 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-8-standings/)
War 9 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-9-standings/)
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That's a great way to summarize wars....
All in all, it shows that :gravity :life :water and :light all needs some help to be competitive in war... :gravity receive some with cheap cards last war.... the other 3 still need help in a way or another to go away from the bottom of the list over and over! My personal feeling is :earth needs a lil help too with the only unplayable shard but not sure how and it's minor compare to others.
also, this standings could be put in suggestions for building next war to help future WMS no ?
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Would it make sense to move this thread to the War section and have it stickied? I think it would be most relevant there.
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The Complete War Rankings!
Update with War 10 standings - originally started by Legit
View ALL war rankings conveniently placed in one thread so you don't have to go searching through multiple threads in the archives. Plus cool stuff like win/loss ratios!
War Rankings calculated by round eliminated, then win percentage, then number of wins
(official ranking system)
| War 1 | War 2 | War 3 | War 4 | War 5 | War 6 | War 7 | War 8 | War 9 | War 10 |
| 1st | :fire | :entropy | :fire | :death | :aether | :aether | :aether | :fire | :darkness | :air |
| 2nd | :entropy | :fire | :aether | :light | :time | :air | :air | :darkness | :air | :gravity |
| 3rd | :earth | :air | :entropy | :time | :fire | :entropy | :time | :time | :aether | :water |
| 4th | :light | :life | :underworld | :darkness | :air | :time | :gravity | :aether | :gravity | :earth |
| 5th | :death | :underworld | :death | :earth | :darkness | :water | :earth | :entropy | :fire | :darkness |
| 6th | :time | :aether | :earth | :entropy | :life | :gravity | :death | :light | :earth | :entropy |
| 7th | :gravity | :time | :time | :gravity | :death | :earth | :entropy | :water | :time | :aether |
| 8th | :darkness | :death | :darkness | :fire | :light | :light | :darkness | :air | :entropy | :time |
| 9th | :aether | :light | :water | :aether | :entropy | :darkness | :fire | :death | :death | :death |
| 10th | :air | :darkness | :life | :air | :water | :fire | :life | :earth | :life | :fire |
| 11th | :water | :earth | :light | :water | :earth | :death | :water | :gravity | :water | :life |
| 12th | :life | :gravity | :air | :life | :gravity | :life | :light | :life | :light | :light |
| 13th | | :water | :gravity | :underworld | | | | | | |
Point Rankings (1st place=12 points, 12 place=1 point, UW removed)
| 1st | :aether | 88 |
| 2nd | :time | 82 |
| 3rd | :fire | 80 |
| 3rd | :entropy | 80 |
| 5th | :air | 77 |
| 6th | :darkness | 72 |
| 7th | :earth | 64 |
| 8th | :death | 62 |
| 9th | :gravity | 54 |
| 10th | :light | 48 |
| 11th | :water | 41 |
| 12th | :life | 32 |
War 10 standing changes:
Entropy is now tied with Fire for 3rd; Earth moved up to 7th bumping Death down a notch; Gravity also went up a place while Light dropped to 10th place.
Win/Loss Ratios across all Wars
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aA0bisIeJZ6r8YIw3yuXwV_Q85nHH5wgirblBmkyyNI/edit#gid=759546582
Related Links
Historical War Standings (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,41608.0.html)
War 1 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7669.0.html)
War 2 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AnWd2TBnFwjsdEVVQndCeFUzV3p6OW9NazZsRWpXb3c&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 3 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AkPg5hwmtLisdEQ3NHNJVmxENDZRLWpxTkdUbFo5Z3c&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 4 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31686.0.html)
War 5 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,39035.0.html)
War 6 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,46188.0.html)
War 7 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-7-standings/)
War 8 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-8-standings/)
War 9 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-9-standings/)
War 10 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-10-standings-62844/)
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Click on an element to highlight its trend line.
(Underworld is removed.)
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That's awesome.
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Fire is one hell of a roller coaster, huh.
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Is the pattern for determining ranking on multi-team eliminations in a single round based on W/L then cards left? I thought it was always the other way around, was this changed and then changed for previous wars?
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Nice AA - that's pretty cool!
Is the pattern for determining ranking on multi-team eliminations in a single round based on W/L then cards left? I thought it was always the other way around, was this changed and then changed for previous wars?
I'm using the formula that Legit used, which was round eliminated, then W/L percentage. Not sure if it came up before, but this war Time and death were eliminated in the same round and had the same W/L percentage (40%) - Time had more total wins, and also more cards in vault, so by either metric they would be 8th, and death 9th place.
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Would be cool to somehow show who was the general at those times to see how that impacted placing. I notice for example Darkness's looping trend line and wondered who was general in their previous peaking section
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Would be cool to somehow show who was the general at those times to see how that impacted placing. I notice for example Darkness's looping trend line and wondered who was general in their previous peaking section
Has anyone compiled a list of Generals for all the wars?
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Would be cool to somehow show who was the general at those times to see how that impacted placing. I notice for example Darkness's looping trend line and wondered who was general in their previous peaking section
Has anyone compiled a list of Generals for all the wars?
The wiki article on War has it.
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The wiki article on War has it.
Thanks: http://elementscommunity.org/wiki/War#Stats.2C_Rosters_and_Winners
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The wiki needs updated with the W/L tiebreaker, not the final vault tiebreaker.
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I decided to make an updated gdoc for the complete war rankings, with data on round eliminated (since that's the primary determiner of rank). Here it is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18KKPCNUTssvsQcg8rMtCiOC1EbowaXdeF7PdUbZFGDQ/edit?usp=sharing
Now, there's one thing before we can finalize the rankings. If our metrics are Round eliminated then Winrate, then Death and Entropy are tied for 5th. Of course a tie for 5th isn't that big of a deal, but historically we've awarded distinct ranks. So we need to devise some tiebreaker.
Last war duke broke it based on either #Wins or Vault size. Both are good metrics. A team with more wins had to work harder to maintain the same winrate over many matches. Also vault size at the end is not entirely discountable: a team with 49 cards left was just a bit away from surviving another round (a stray transmute may have done it). But one at 0 cards would've needed more to survive.
Previously, we've had the same situation thrice:
Time/Gravity - War 7
Air/Death - War 8
Time/Death - War 10
In the War 10 case, both #wins and vault determine Time as winner in tiebreak. In War 8 both teams had the same W/L record, but by vault size Air wins significantly. In war 7 they also had same record and the vault sizes weren't stated clearly, but by the number of spoils after Round 8 Time was a clear winner. So the historical rankings stand by these two metrics.
But in our case, the two metrics favor different teams. So we'd have to choose one to be superior. #wins seems more objective, but do keep in mind that cards left in vault played a role in causing this debacle (Death revived because they were only a few cards below 50). So which do we choose?
At that point, I looked for a more objective tiebreaker. The best answer? RPI. Not all W/L records are created equal; some teams have faced worse opponents than others. We don't have easy stats for RPI in case of War 7, but we do have kakerstats for War 8 & 10. I added Winrates tab to War #8 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gbh58GOlV0X8Jt4LmdddVGL8TkY0rybhBNPA9pwvqP8/edit?usp=sharing) and checked War #10 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1u7ltro309bCjm9D18V1nzJ-N2QGSca8L1K6kbGIbfVc/edit#gid=3630884), and it's surprising. The teams that won the tiebreak above had lower RPI. Indeed, in War #8 Air had the lowest Strength of Schedule, so arguably they had the easiest time of all teams. Doesn't that mean Death deserves to win the tie over them?
Among the simple metrics, #Wins and Vault Size are both good. But I think we should resolve this by something more objective, something which accounts for how hard it was for a team to acquire their winrate. So I propose that all possible ties be broken by RPI. This would switch those historic rankings. RPI shouldn't leave many ties since it's very precise, but then we should decide which of #Wins and Vault Size is better.
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I don't see why round eliminated, then win rate (the current tiebreaker), then final vault size (the original tiebreaker) isn't sufficient. In the rare situation you need a tiebreaker after that, I'd say number of wins, and only after that should a rating system be necessary - preferably not RPI, there are far better ranking systems available and it's not really more objective than the events that actually occurred.
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I don't see why round eliminated, then win rate (the current tiebreaker), then final vault size (the original tiebreaker) isn't sufficient. In the rare situation you need a tiebreaker after that, I'd say number of wins, and only after that should a rating system be necessary - preferably not RPI, there are far better ranking systems available and it's not really more objective than the events that actually occurred.
+1
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I don't see why round eliminated, then win rate (the current tiebreaker), then final vault size (the original tiebreaker) isn't sufficient. In the rare situation you need a tiebreaker after that, I'd say number of wins, and only after that should a rating system be necessary - preferably not RPI, there are far better ranking systems available and it's not really more objective than the events that actually occurred.
Yeah what I said above was just one point of view. Now that I think about it, I got carried away and I don't support it that strongly. I suppose no one would really care if we used a simpler metric instead of a complex one. And RPI might not be that objective (I have little experience). Thanks for speaking out.
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(Underworld is removed.)
fire looks like a cardiac adrenaline...
I hope to see a new peak soon :)
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The Complete War Rankings!
Update with War 11 standings - originally started by Legit
View ALL war rankings conveniently placed in one thread so you don't have to go searching through multiple threads in the archives. Plus cool stuff like win/loss ratios! (I finally got around to updating this - enjoy)
War Rankings calculated by round eliminated, then win percentage, then number of wins
(official ranking system)
| War 1 | War 2 | War 3 | War 4 | War 5 | War 6 | War 7 | War 8 | War 9 | War 10 | War 11 |
| 1st | :fire | :entropy | :fire | :death | :aether | :aether | :aether | :fire | :darkness | :air | :life |
| 2nd | :entropy | :fire | :aether | :light | :time | :air | :air | :darkness | :air | :gravity | :air |
| 3rd | :earth | :air | :entropy | :time | :fire | :entropy | :time | :time | :aether | :water | :water |
| 4th | :light | :life | :underworld | :darkness | :air | :time | :gravity | :aether | :gravity | :earth | :aether |
| 5th | :death | :underworld | :death | :earth | :darkness | :water | :earth | :entropy | :fire | :darkness | :entropy |
| 6th | :time | :aether | :earth | :entropy | :life | :gravity | :death | :light | :earth | :entropy | :death |
| 7th | :gravity | :time | :time | :gravity | :death | :earth | :entropy | :water | :time | :aether | :darkness |
| 8th | :darkness | :death | :darkness | :fire | :light | :light | :darkness | :air | :entropy | :time | :fire |
| 9th | :aether | :light | :water | :aether | :entropy | :darkness | :fire | :death | :death | :death | :earth |
| 10th | :air | :darkness | :life | :air | :water | :fire | :life | :earth | :life | :fire | :time |
| 11th | :water | :earth | :light | :water | :earth | :death | :water | :gravity | :water | :life | :gravity |
| 12th | :life | :gravity | :air | :life | :gravity | :life | :light | :life | :light | :light | :light |
| 13th | | :water | :gravity | :underworld | | | | | | | |
Point Rankings (1st place=12 points, 12 place=1 point, UW removed)
| 1st | :aether | 97 |
| 2nd | :entropy | 88 |
| 2rd | :air | 88 |
| 4th | :fire | 85 |
| 4th | :time | 85 |
| 6th | :darkness | 78 |
| 7th | :death | 69 |
| 8th | :earth | 68 |
| 9th | :gravity | 56 |
| 10th | :water | 51 |
| 11th | :light | 49 |
| 12th | :life | 44 |
War 11 - update to overall standings and changes:
Aether still reigns over the War standings. Air jumped up from 5th and is tied for 2nd with Entropy who jumped up from 3rd. Time and Fire dropped and are now tied for 4th place; Darkness held on to 6th while Death and Earth switched places in the 7th and 8th spot. Gravity remains 9th while Water and Light switched spots for 10th and 11th. Despite winning war, Life remains in 12th place (though the gap between them and Light has narrowed significantly).
Win/Loss Ratios across all Wars (updated with War 11 and formulas fixed)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aA0bisIeJZ6r8YIw3yuXwV_Q85nHH5wgirblBmkyyNI/edit#gid=759546582
Related Links
Historical War Standings (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,41608.0.html)
War 1 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7669.0.html)
War 2 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AnWd2TBnFwjsdEVVQndCeFUzV3p6OW9NazZsRWpXb3c&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 3 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AkPg5hwmtLisdEQ3NHNJVmxENDZRLWpxTkdUbFo5Z3c&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 4 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31686.0.html)
War 5 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,39035.0.html)
War 6 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,46188.0.html)
War 7 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-7-standings/)
War 8 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-8-standings/)
War 9 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-9-standings/)
War 10 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-10-standings-62844/)
War 11 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-11-standings//)
(Now if anyone is fancy with Google sheets, they can make a pretty interactive graphic like AA did on page 4)
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(Now if anyone is fancy with Google sheets, they can make a pretty interactive graphic like AA did on page 4)
I'll see what I can do.
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If anyone has time, please update ^^
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The Complete War Rankings!
Update with War 12 standings - originally started by Legit
View ALL war rankings conveniently placed in one thread so you don't have to go searching through multiple threads in the archives. Plus cool stuff like win/loss ratios! (I haven't been so active lately, but this was a fun thing to do... enjoy)
War Rankings calculated by round eliminated, then win percentage, then number of wins
(official ranking system)
| War 1 | War 2 | War 3 | War 4 | War 5 | War 6 | War 7 | War 8 | War 9 | War 10 | War 11 | War 12 |
| 1st | :fire | :entropy | :fire | :death | :aether | :aether | :aether | :fire | :darkness | :air | :life | :darkness |
| 2nd | :entropy | :fire | :aether | :light | :time | :air | :air | :darkness | :air | :gravity | :air | :time |
| 3rd | :earth | :air | :entropy | :time | :fire | :entropy | :time | :time | :aether | :water | :water | :earth |
| 4th | :light | :life | :underworld | :darkness | :air | :time | :gravity | :aether | :gravity | :earth | :aether | :aether |
| 5th | :death | :underworld | :death | :earth | :darkness | :water | :earth | :entropy | :fire | :darkness | :entropy | :light |
| 6th | :time | :aether | :earth | :entropy | :life | :gravity | :death | :light | :earth | :entropy | :death | :entropy |
| 7th | :gravity | :time | :time | :gravity | :death | :earth | :entropy | :water | :time | :aether | :darkness | :air |
| 8th | :darkness | :death | :darkness | :fire | :light | :light | :darkness | :air | :entropy | :time | :fire | :death |
| 9th | :aether | :light | :water | :aether | :entropy | :darkness | :fire | :death | :death | :death | :earth | :fire |
| 10th | :air | :darkness | :life | :air | :water | :fire | :life | :earth | :life | :fire | :time | :water |
| 11th | :water | :earth | :light | :water | :earth | :death | :water | :gravity | :water | :life | :gravity | :life |
| 12th | :life | :gravity | :air | :life | :gravity | :life | :light | :life | :light | :light | :light | :gravity |
| 13th | | :water | :gravity | :underworld | | | | | | | |
Point Rankings (1st place=12 points, 12 place=1 point, UW removed)
| 1st | :aether | 106 |
| 2nd | :time | 96 |
| 3rd | :entropy | 95 |
| 4th | :air | 94 |
| 5th | :darkness | 90 |
| 6th | :fire | 89 |
| 7th | :earth | 78 |
| 8th | :death | 74 |
| 9th | :gravity | 57 |
| 9th | :light | 57 |
| 11th | :water | 54 |
| 12th | :life | 46 |
War 12 - update to overall standings and changes:
Aether still reigns over the War standings. Time jumped up to 2nd, just edging out Entropy in 3rd and Air in 4th. Darkness moved up a spot to 5th, barely beating Fire, who dropped to 6th place. Earth and Death switched places (again!) in the 7th and 8th spots. Light had an incredible jump up from 11th place to tie Gravity at 9th. That pushed Water down to 11th, and Life is still holding the 12th place spot.
Win/Loss Ratios across all Wars (updated with War 12 and formulas fixed)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aA0bisIeJZ6r8YIw3yuXwV_Q85nHH5wgirblBmkyyNI/edit#gid=759546582
Related Links
Historical War Standings (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,41608.0.html)
War 1 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7669.0.html)
War 2 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=0AnWd2TBnFwjsdEVVQndCeFUzV3p6OW9NazZsRWpXb3c&hl=en&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 3 Standings Thread (Google Doc) (https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?hl=en&hl=en&key=0AkPg5hwmtLisdEQ3NHNJVmxENDZRLWpxTkdUbFo5Z3c&single=true&gid=0&output=html)
War 4 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31686.0.html)
War 5 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,39035.0.html)
War 6 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,46188.0.html)
War 7 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-7-standings/)
War 8 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-8-standings/)
War 9 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-9-standings/)
War 10 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-10-standings-62844/)
War 11 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-11-standings/)
War 12 Standings Thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/war-12-standings/)
(feel free to make another fancy graphic anyone... )
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I updated the graph with new data.
Click on an element to highlight its trend line.
(Underworld is removed.)