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AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271136#msg271136
« on: February 15, 2011, 03:32:14 am »
What is EI? EI is sort of like TTW, but expanded. Just because a deck is the fastest, it doesn't mean that it is the most efficient. If you can consistently get an EM then it will actually be better to use than a slightly faster deck.

EI = (EPG/TTW)*Win%

To start, all I am asking is 75 games. 200 would be ideal, however, once a deck has 75 games, I will track it in the OP.

Format will be very simple. Just use this.
Deck Name (http://***Deck URL***)
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as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as as
Games:##
TTW:##
EMs:##
EPG:##
EI:##
For people participating in the ttw study, if you dont mind keeping track of  :electrum when you post a deck there, I will add it automatically here and link your post for credit.

I do not mind if it was a deck you made, however, if someone doubts you, and takes their own stats, then their stats will be what I use. Also, please reserve a deck if you are testing it.
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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271138#msg271138
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2011, 03:32:48 am »
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Grabbix (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16828.0.html)
EI: 2.1998
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4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 590 590 590 590 590 5c1 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5fc 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9
Games: 200
Wins: 183
Losses: 17
TTW: 7.0710
EMs: 6
EPG: 17.0000

Mono Life Rush
EI: 1.7163
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5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bs 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c0 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7
Games: 75
Wins: 63
Losses: 12
TTW: 8.0794
EMs: 2
EPG: 16.5079
Ubah Stompy (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14020.0.html)
EI:1.5954
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4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52q 55u 5c1 5f3 5f3 5f3 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5f9 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5fa 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5l9 5rr
Games:76
TTW:7.4305
EMs:0
EPG:12.5138


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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271139#msg271139
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2011, 03:33:04 am »
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Totally Upgraded AI3 Mastery Despoiler (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11412.0.html)
EI:3.939
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7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t8 7ta 7ta 7tb 7td 7td 7td 7td 7td 7td 7tf 7tf 7tf 7tf 7tf
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TTW:8.176
EMs:37??-May Be Off. I failed at keeping track of these for some reason. Probably a lot more.
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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271143#msg271143
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2011, 03:36:53 am »
What's EPG? Efficient Petroleum Gas?
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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271145#msg271145
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2011, 03:39:30 am »
What's EPG? Efficient Petroleum Gas?
Electrum per game.

Also, I'll continue tracking EPG/SPG to assist with this.
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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271148#msg271148
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2011, 03:41:03 am »
What's EPG? Efficient Petroleum Gas?
Electrum per game.

Also, I'll continue tracking EPG/SPG to assist with this.
Thank you! Im starting off with essences ai3 despoiler. Its a slower deck with a higher EM rate.
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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271150#msg271150
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2011, 03:46:13 am »
EPG = electrum per game

On topic: electrum per minute is probably a more indicative measurement of grinding efficiency, since decks that are very "clicky" (reliant on activated abilities and whatnot, like DEMA) are less efficient than "lay down the cards and end turn" types of decks if their win rates, TTW, and EM rates are comparable to one another.

Also, would you include the electrum gained from spins into the equation?

Side note: From just the total time taken, score earned, total EMs, and total losses statistics, it's possible to solve the electrum per time ratio backwards.
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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271156#msg271156
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2011, 04:05:47 am »
EPG = electrum per game

On topic: electrum per minute is probably a more indicative measurement of grinding efficiency, since decks that are very "clicky" (reliant on activated abilities and whatnot, like DEMA) are less efficient than "lay down the cards and end turn" types of decks if their win rates, TTW, and EM rates are comparable to one another.

Also, would you include the electrum gained from spins into the equation?

Side note: From just the total time taken, score earned, total EMs, and total losses statistics, it's possible to solve the electrum per time ratio backwards.
Where were you during this topic (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20966.0.html). I actually am purposely not going that in depth because I feel those statistics are more dependent on the person playing them. Some may be able to click 3 different things in 1 second where as another person takes 1 second for each decision. No I am not including electrum gained from spins because then you wouldnt be able to calculate the spg from the epg
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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271160#msg271160
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2011, 04:16:00 am »
Where were you during  this topic (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20966.0.html).
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Seems interesting. I'd suggest jdmt's The Ultimate Speed EM Deck (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10563.0.html), with a whopping ~75% EM Rate in his games.

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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271889#msg271889
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2011, 03:30:13 pm »
Totally Upgraded AI3 Mastery Despoiler (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,11412.0.html)
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7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t4 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t6 7t8 7ta 7ta 7tb 7td 7td 7td 7td 7td 7td 7tf 7tf 7tf 7tf 7tf
Games:75
TTW:8.176
EMs:37??-May Be Off. I failed at keeping track of these for some reason. Probably a lot more.
EPG:32.892
EI:3.939

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Im thinking Losses should be considered in the ttw for this study, what do others think?
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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271892#msg271892
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2011, 03:37:24 pm »
Im thinking Losses should be considered in the ttw for this study, what do others think?
Lol, kind of sounds contradictory though since you're not winning in a said number of turns whenever you lose.  Turns to end a duel maybe?  Useful acronym to come later.
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Re: AI3 EI Study https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21226.msg271893#msg271893
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2011, 03:40:22 pm »
Im thinking Losses should be considered in the ttw for this study, what do others think?
Lol, kind of sounds contradictory though since you're not winning in a said number of turns whenever you lose.  Turns to end a duel maybe?  Useful acronym to come later.
Turns To Finish? Turns to Complete? lol. It is contradictory to ttw. It also makes it so that people would want to quit if they know they are going to lose... perhaps it should just be ignored like the regular ttw study?
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