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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296798#msg1296798
« Reply #300 on: May 16, 2020, 10:53:31 pm »
So this came up in chat again. Figured I should try it out for once. Rolled an 8, so :light

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pruned starter
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optimized with dagger spin
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Spins: dagger, arsenic, colossal dragon
Oracle: mummy
Score: 151
Won: 39
Lost: 1
594 :electrum
Time: ~90min

Played AI2 once to unlock oracle. Had a few close calls vs AI1 (usually involving arse or eternity), finally lost game 35 vs antimatter

Spoiler for day2:
Oracle card: Basilisk Blood

1030 score at 145-52. First edit was winning an OE, swapped 2 daggers for wind pillar+oe. Was able to nab a win off AI4 with that build, got lucky with them spamming fractal on dragonflies against a solar shield. Aside: I'm going for absolutely no bazaar, so no shopping for pillars. Which made getting my second water pillar drop pretty exciting. AI3 has a lot of good stuff for blessed pegs, tried out sky blitz with 4th wind pillar but was too often a dead card or not much. Dropped solar shield to run 4 pegs + 4 bless, but was finding poor results. Seems Solar Shield is good in a slow meta that's pretty wide & AI misplays PC on it often enough. Once I got up to 6 blessings I found success by cutting down to 3 pegs. Seemed games where I play 3 pegs don't go as well as ones where I play 1 pegs. Took awhile stuck in a limbo of 950-1000 score while experimenting

Should be able to go after AI4 if I can pick up miracle/fog

turns out this deck isn't half bad against ai4, won a ruby dragon after -dragonfly -firefly +windtower +shockwave
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209-119 2nd OE opened up reducing air cards to 4 pillars 2 oe, fits in a 4th pegasus. Was able to get a Silurian Dragon off AI4

Spoiler for day3:
Firefly from oracle

ai4 gave an upped voodoo. Score is -12 at 296-281 w/l

-729 score now, 333-358, but rolled a Jade Dragon after switching to this promising deck
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Spoiler for day4:
Back to work, also headache, also I need a life

Swapped thunderstorm out for flying weapon. Spun supernova & epinephrine. -1217 score at 384-437

day5: -1583 score at 403-479. AI4 dropped a fog, swapped out wings in pegasus rush. Upped drops: gotp, shrieker

day6: -1597 score at 446-521. Tried grinding AI2 with skips for nova/fog/dims. Drop rate too low, only came out with a dragonfly. Upped drops: eagle eye, aflatoxin, armagio. Pillars: :gravity :life. Cards no longer all show in ALL

day7: mummy :aether :air firemaster obsidian. -1671 score at 500-595 (but :electrum is slowly increasing while score continues to descend, so one upped eagle eye is what I needed to go infinite on ai4)

8: graveyard, anubis, upped wind tower, gotp. -1898 score at 531-644. Later: phase salvager, firemaster

9: spine
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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296825#msg1296825
« Reply #301 on: May 18, 2020, 07:10:54 pm »
Started with  :life

Played the starter running :fire cards off the mark for a bit, got some decent bow cards so I switched to a :life bow pretty early. Winrate vs AI3 wasn't great, a lot of it depended on whether I drew my Dragon or not. Got 7 weapons before 500 score quest and rolled with Pulvy and Lobo for a while, decided to go for the free Vagger with that and my first upgrade because it was just too good to pass up. Finally spun a second Dragon at the end of Day 1. Toughest matchups were rainbow, aether, and steamies. It's very annoying that rainbow has all the best cards, but it's also the hardest and it gives the least spins because most cards are one or two ofs.

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Spoiler for Day 2:
Day 2 I grinded up to my second upgrade, while trying to figure out what to do I realized that I had 4 Blessings and just enough good targets to make a decent buffbow. After some testing and deliberation, I decided to go with Arse for the second upgrade over other options because it would be more useful long term. Was originally going to go Giant Frog but I just wasn't getting many good :life cards from spins to make a mono with. Ended up with this deck that I used to beat serp and iancu. Got 2 Blessings from spins but unfortunately no Lycan or Mutation.

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The various creature interaction cards in both of these decks lead to a surprising number of tactical decisions which prevented the grind from getting boring.

Spoiler for Status end of Day 2:



Day 3 I started trying half-bloods. I only have around a 50% winrate so electrum gain is slow, but the chance to gain upgraded cards is worth it. Got a few nice ones already. Minor Vampire is MVP of the deck.


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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296830#msg1296830
« Reply #302 on: May 19, 2020, 08:48:34 am »
Made a new one with no grinding arena at all:
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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296871#msg1296871
« Reply #303 on: May 21, 2020, 12:41:33 am »
Like to ask a few questions regarding this NBC. Link how did you get so many cards in so little time?
Especially those quantum pillars... or is only serp playing it no ppms from bazaar? As I noticed AI1-3
never gives pends/pillars. Playing no ppm mode seems to really lock the player. Entropy starts with
10 pillars, that's problematic.
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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296872#msg1296872
« Reply #304 on: May 21, 2020, 02:05:45 am »
Like to ask a few questions regarding this NBC. Link how did you get so many cards in so little time?
Especially those quantum pillars... or is only serp playing it no ppms from bazaar? As I noticed AI1-3
never gives pends/pillars. Playing no ppm mode seems to really lock the player. Entropy starts with
10 pillars, that's problematic.

Only serp is doing no pillar pend buying.
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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296874#msg1296874
« Reply #305 on: May 21, 2020, 03:00:18 am »
As I noticed AI1-3 never gives pends/pillars.

False. I've rolled all my non initial PPMs (3 water towers, 1 time pend) off AI3

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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296881#msg1296881
« Reply #306 on: May 21, 2020, 08:25:48 am »
I won 85 cards in 564 spins. The QPs I bought from the bazaar, the rest come from starting deck and oracle/weapon quest.

I'm more curious about how serp got upped cards off of AI3. :P
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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296883#msg1296883
« Reply #307 on: May 21, 2020, 10:46:44 am »
It means that it is my usual RNG that I haven't even seen a single PPM rolled in those games.
Played 40 so far, got these from rolls:

Dagger
Reverse Time
Druidic Staff (Oracle)
Graviton Mercenary
Stone Skin
Firefly Queen (Oracle)
Chaos Seed.

10 amethyst pillar is really a bottle neck, those few losses happened mostly due to having 0-1 ppm start.
(I sorta feel Zanz thought :entropy is the best starter, otherwise I have no idea why it is the only element
with less than 12 in-element pillar.)

I can understand why veterans like this, I remember the time when we started playing Doom fist only or played very restrictive
character builds in Diablo II.

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Spoiler for :
serp you crazy man with those zillions of games. Don't waste your life, pls. No irony.
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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296887#msg1296887
« Reply #308 on: May 21, 2020, 02:09:18 pm »
It means that it is my usual RNG that I haven't even seen a single PPM rolled in those games.

iirc, the spin algorithm purposely tries not to pick PPMs unless it fails to find a non-PPM n times?
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Yes, 10 times I believe.
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Re: (Nearly) No Bazaar Challenge http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40769.msg1296930#msg1296930
« Reply #310 on: May 22, 2020, 10:28:04 am »
I think I restart this challenge. Playing no pillar buy version is very frustrating, especially with :entropy. I leave that to serp. :P
In AI3 you only have a "good" chance to get pillars against decks which has at least 15 ppms like the bow (tons of QPs)
or the :fire :water duo (tons of pillars). Many AI3 decks has much less PPMs than those. Had no ppms in 82 games, saw them
rolling about 5 times...

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« Reply #311 on: May 22, 2020, 11:03:20 am »
:entropy :entropy :entropy
:death :death :death
:gravity :gravity :gravity
:earth :earth :earth
:life :life :life
:fire :fire :fire
Abomination
Fallen Elf
Lycanthrope
Maxwell's Demon
Purple Dragon
Schrodinger's Cat
Antimatter
Butterfly Effect
Chaos Seed
Mutation
Nova
Pandemonium
Dissipation Shield
Discord
Shard of Serendipity
Purple Nymph

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1
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3
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1
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Bone Dragon
Deathstalker
Flesh Spider
Mummy
Skeleton
Virus
Vulture
Aflatoxin
Plague
Poison
Bone Wall
Boneyard
Skull Shield
Soul Catcher
Arsenic
Shard of Sacrifice
Grey Nymph

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-
-
-
-
1
-
-
-
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1
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Armagio
Chimera
Colossal Dragon
Graviton Fire Eater
Graviton Mercenary
Graviton Salvager
Otyugh
Sapphire Charger
Acceleration
Black Hole
Gravity Pull
Momentum
Catapult
Gravity Shield
Titan
Shard of Focus
Amber Nymph

4
-
1
-
-
-
1
-
-
-
-
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1
-
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-
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Antlion
Gnome Rider
Graboid
Hematite Golem
Iridium Warden
Shrieker
Stone Dragon
Basilisk Blood
Earthquake
Enchant Artifact
Plate Armor
Stone Skin
Titanium Shield
Pulverizer
Shard of Integrity
Auburn Nymph

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-
-
-
-
-
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1
1
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-
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-
-
-
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Cockatrice
Emerald Dragon
Forest Scorpion
Forest Spirit
Horned Frog
Rustler
Adrenaline
Heal
Mitosis
Emerald Shield
Empathic Bond
Thorn Carapace
Druidic Staff
Shard of Gratitude
Green Nymph

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1
-
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-
1
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1
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Ash Eater
Crimson Dragon
Fire Spirit
Lava Golem
Phoenix
Seraph
Antimatter
Deflagration
Fire Bolt
Immolation
Rage Potion
Rain of Fire
Fire Shield
Fahrenheit
Shard of Bravery
Red Nymph

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-
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2
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1
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1
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:water :water :water
:light :light :light
:air :air :air
:time :time :time
:darkness :darkness :darkness
:aether :aether :aether
Arctic Squid
Blue Crawler
Chrysaora
Ice Dragon
Mind Flayer
Steam Machine
Toadfish
Dry Spell
Freeze
Ice Bolt
Nymph's Tears
Purify
Ice Shield
Flooding
Trident
Shard of Patience
Nymph Queen

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-
-
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7
1
-
-
-
-
-
-
-
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Crusader
Golden Dragon
Guardian Angel
Pegasus
Photon
Blessing
Holy Light
Luciferin
Miracle
Hope
Reflective Shield
Sanctuary
Solar Shield
Morning Start
Shard of Divinity
Light Nymph

1
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-
-
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6
-
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1
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Azure Dragon
Dragonfly
Firefly
Firefly Queen
Wyrm
Flying Weapon
Shockwave
Sky Blitz
Thunderstorm
Fog Shield
Wings
Unstable Gas
Owl's Eye
Shard of Freedom
Blue Nymph

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2
1
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1
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1
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Anubis
Deja Vu
Dune Scorpion
Devonian Dragon
Fate Egg
Ghost of the Past
Pharaoh
Scarab
Precognition
Reverse Time
Golden Hourglass
Procrastination
Sundial
Eternity
Shard of Readiness
Golden Nymph

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1
2
-
-
-
2
-
-
-
-
1
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1
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Black Dragon
Devourer
Gargoyle
Minor Vampire
Parasite
Voodoo Doll
Drain Life
Liquid Shadow
Nightmare
Steal
Cloak
Dusk Mantle
Nightfall
Vampire Stiletto
Shard of Void
Black Nymph

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-
-
-
4
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2
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1
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Immortal
Phase Dragon
Phase Salvager
Phase Spider
Psion
Spark
Fractal
Lightning
Parallel Universe
Quintessence
Silence
Dimensional Shield
Mindgate
Lobotomizer
Shard of Wisdom
Turquoise Nymph

1
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-
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-
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1
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1
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