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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1174313#msg1174313
« Reply #24 on: January 05, 2015, 12:41:13 pm »
What inaccuracies?

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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1174315#msg1174315
« Reply #25 on: January 05, 2015, 01:14:23 pm »
What inaccuracies?

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Ghostal is not a good idea.

Seems legit.

Ghostal is one of the most reliable stallbreakers out there. I highly disagree about fractal not being part of the problem. Same goes with Lobotomizer.

Fractal is not viable in a trio? Pls.

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I'm gonna be blunt. Your analysis is overly verbose and just plain wrong in so many cases. Firstly, you don't need 6 PC to overcome mono-aether. You need 4 PC, MAX. If your deck is fast enough, even 2 PC can defeat an MA. MA has NO way of healing yourself, so a fast rush+midgame PC is enough to win.

Lightning is a strong card. Your problem with it is that it's in the OP aether element. But Aether isn't OP, we just have to nerf Lightning? Really? Lightning is a strong CC card, but definitely not the strongest (RT). It's basic CC.

The main problem with Psion is how strong it makes mono aether. Upgraded, it gives Mono-aether coverage for it's only weakness, shield bypass. Which is why replacing Psion is also an viable idea. And everyone knows it's Psiontal which is OP, not psions.

SoW Dragons is also a seriously OP Arena Deck, which needs to be nerfed.

Turquoise nymph is weak, because it has one turn of vulnerability and Mono Aether doesn't have many viable targets for it.

Finally, fractal is not OP. It's just insanely strong, in fact so strong that every new creature idea has to consider it. It creates an insane amount of card advantage which is unseen in any card game (as far as I know). It's similar to really strong wine; it has to be toned down.
And you just listed some fractal synergies off the top of your head. There are many, many more. Fractix was once considered strong because it could be insanely fast, pack deflag and be modded with CC/Dims. Now Gravytal is super-strong due to resilient early rush (Guards) and endgame massive shield bypass (Charger). RoL/Hope's defense strat is so strong that around 3 war teams packed it as a trio. The fact that pretty much any aether duo can pack two copies of fractal and a good creature and have stall break potential is insane.

P.S. Ghostal works. It might seem like a dysfunctional deck, but as such it would not get 7 wins in War. In fact, ghostal is a perfect display of Fractal's strength, with a three card ttk.

Why would you do this again?

Another fractal trio: New Old Times
CCYB, a rainbow, runs fractal
Fractal Ball OTK, rainbow
FG OTK Don't Cut Yourself, rainbow

Ghostal is not a good idea.


I can't stop laughing. Please, move this thread in humor section. Thanks.

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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1174319#msg1174319
« Reply #26 on: January 05, 2015, 01:36:20 pm »
Yeah Dm.
I believe I just corrected Fractal.

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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1174323#msg1174323
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2015, 02:03:02 pm »
Your accuracy is 8/8

Silence is mostly used to break dial/dim/sosa chains (the last a bit harder due to stackability of sosa)

PU duplicates buffs, & gains instant value if your opponent plays anything big (grabbow's shriekers, immorush's golems, dragons). Mono Aether as a rush can run Psion/Recluse/SoW, then decide based on matchup whether it wants a psion with +4 attack or a recluse with +4 attack. You ignored this buff synergy in declaring PU "desperate, so balanced"

Lobo analysis skips interaction of stunting momentum/psion as a counter to dims, & how lobo allows psion decks to overcome reflective shields

You say Aether is expensive, yet compare Psion to Sapphire Charger. Lightning isn't expensive. SoW is very cost effective, especially when spell damage immortals are immune to the main drawback of buffing strategies (CC destroying both creature & buff). SoW is efficient enough that it makes immortals almost capable of rushing

Saying Turquoise Nymph is good because it appears to be better than Anubis is short sighted. 1) Anubis is a bad card. 2) Anubis's health makes it more capable of surviving a turn to quint itself. 3) Anubis's ability costs less to cast, making the aether cost payable through mark. 4) the cast cost doesn't matter because you'd run SoR so that you can double cast quint the turn you play Anubis

Falling away from points of argument with "That's just your, like, opinion, man" makes people less inclined to inform you of error, because it appears to be a waste of time to them. Decide: do you want people to give you feedback, which you'll internalize & grow from, or do you want people to ignore you, while you post these mock treatises

Tho apparently you say, "this thread isn’t about my opinion"
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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1174404#msg1174404
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2015, 12:18:20 am »
What inaccuracies?
I posted it 3 times before. Spell damage ability is Psion, not Psionic, and Phase Dragon stats are 8/6 and 10/6. Elite Phase Dragon having 2 higher attack than you claim has a big impact on its effectiveness. They are small inaccuracies but the fact that I have posted it so many times already without you noticing and you haven't taken the 10 seconds out of your day to fix it is rather telling of something. For someone who apparently knows so much about Aether, you seem to make a lot of easy mistakes.
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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1174413#msg1174413
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2015, 01:15:10 am »
I made this thread on a PC.
I respond to it by phone/tablet.
I'll get on my PC and correct it. In time, I'm correcting everything.

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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1175004#msg1175004
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2015, 06:24:12 pm »
Here we go. Updated.
Please tell me about any more inaccuracies as I am working on the Strength of Life and there are bound to be more or some I missed.

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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1175005#msg1175005
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2015, 06:30:01 pm »
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The last solution is Shard of Freedom. All Air creatures under the influence of Shard of Freedom have a chance to, like the Charger, ignore shield effects.

All AIRBORNE.

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The evident strategy of this deck is Psion + Fractal, which makes use of the skill Psion has and uses it in bunches, making shields useless. The deck is decent with little variations of the original but is slow compared to some of the other decks that are out there.

The problem here is that it's paired with DimShield, which is one of the best defensive shields, and becomes a beast. Whatever, it's your "opinion" anyway.

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For 13 Aether quanta, you can play a dragon that had the stats of 13 | 8.

COULD.

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We don’t next another underpowered Anubis.

NEED, not next.
I also disagree with nearly everything you wrote in turquoise nymph but w/e.

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Anyways, this basically boosts immortal creatures and supports the use of Anubis and Quintessence to make more immaterial creatures to buff with Shard of Wisdom (though very rarely used)

It also goes with Turquoise Nymph if you go that way.

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The card is single-purposed and lacks synergies.

Lolwtf?

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Apart from that, Shard of Wisdom can also be used offensively. Frozengaia, a member of the forums, used a deck called SoW Reflect to farm arena.

I'd appreciate if you gave credit to SoW/Reflect to the people who really deserve that credit.

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For example, a famous water poison deck (I have no idea what it’s called, bare with me) I like to refer to as the Jellyfish Poison relies on the skill of Chrysaora,

Speed Poison

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The popular solution to this problem would be either to stall out the enemy with healing, stall out the enemy with purify, or just straight-up purify.

No, really, just rushing is the most popular solution.

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If you used Lobotomizer on a deck like this, you would most likely level this deck. You would shut down the Chrysaora strategy, stopping the enemy from poisoning you. The only thing you would have then to worry about, is the regular spell card “Poison”, which to me seems to be inevitable without Purify. Of course the regular spell card “Poison” should be no match if you are running other creatures. Basically, running Mono Aether with Lobotomizer and Immaterial creatures should do the trick.

Unless, you know, you get Lobotomizer late and not right away (you're not packing 6 lobotomizer while the opponent IS packing 6 chrysaora)...

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The problem with Lobotomizer is also the same problem with Psion: it boosts the power of Mono Aether. Mono Aether was already powerful enough alone with Phase Dragons, Dim Shields, and Shards of Wisdom (Just look at the deck SoW Dragons!). And when used on your own Psions, you can practically get through any shield. Psions alone can get through all shields blocking only physical damage, leaving Emerald Shield and Reflective Shields (and their upgraded counterparts). By Lobotomizing your Psions, you can get through the Reflective Shield/Emerald Shields and attack your opponent. This is another feature of the Lobotomizer.

My suggestion? Well, the weapon that rivals this in my opinion is the Vampire Stiletto. So, maybe a buff to the damage would be great. +1 damage would be nice on both ends.

... Wat. It's strong in aether and the combination makes MonoAether decks near impossible to get through a dimshield unless you pack PC and then you suggest giving it +1 damage. Okay then, moving on.

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For an expensive seven quanta, you can clone any creature on the field, including their buffs. When cloning the target creature, it can be any enemy creature or any ally creature, just as long as they are not immaterial. With the cloned creature, comes their stats and buffs, unlike those cloned from Mitosis. This card is pretty powerful, as I stated before and can change the entire game.

No, you really didn't state that before. You just said it's expensive.

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you can play silence on him to flood his hand.

Flooding a hand means making him draw. What you're looking for is to make him discard.

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Apart from that, the cards itself aren’t that powerful either. The only cards that I would say need a nerf in Aether are the Phase Shield, Lightning, and if a third one had to be picked, the Turquoise Nymph

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Wow. Okay. First you say it needs a buff, now it needs a nerf. So, is turq UP or OP? Make up your mind.
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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1175021#msg1175021
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2015, 10:09:06 pm »
Forgot to edit multiple parts.
Thanks for putting them all in one place.

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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1175026#msg1175026
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2015, 10:34:37 pm »
Don't thank me until you fix it.

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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1175746#msg1175746
« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2015, 01:32:06 am »
I believe I have fixed most of the problems that were stated by Dm and Serprex and also the problems with Fractal.
You can read over it. In the meanwhile, I will begin writing the Strength of Life.

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Re: General Things 2.0 (In Development) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57252.msg1175753#msg1175753
« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2015, 01:46:53 am »
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