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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1109163#msg1109163
« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2013, 05:56:18 pm »
well there is 1 little thing that you haven't thought of. People with lots of rares and score could simply give away loads of electrum and rares, for example several people got over 1M electrum they don't have any use for. This means we coudl end up with noobs that got 100K electrum and all rares, making bronze extremely hard etc etc.
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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1109175#msg1109175
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2013, 06:24:25 pm »
well there is 1 little thing that you haven't thought of. People with lots of rares and score could simply give away loads of electrum and rares, for example several people got over 1M electrum they don't have any use for. This means we coudl end up with noobs that got 100K electrum and all rares, making bronze extremely hard etc etc.

I did think of that and basically just don't care. We already have that - there are plenty of alts in bronze already with a ridiculous amount of wealth. Additionally, FG grinding with low win rate stuff like firecell already creates situations where new accounts have high wealth but low score. Those looking to give away wealth can already just set up pvp farms in the communities where it's allowed.

All people need to do to have high powered bronze accounts is to burn score off when they level up out of bronze. This is already happening (and has been happening for years) and hasn't destroyed bronze. In my personal experience it's generally less of a good idea to spend your limited skill points in bronze on upped cards than on HP, which is why you don't generally see a bunch of upped decks in bronze.

The only bar we really need to cross on this is "less exploitable than pvp farms" in order to guarantee we don't negatively impact arenas, metas, etc. by providing some new exploit to the people looking to exploit.

As a side conversation: is there any system that you (or anyone else) can think of that would allow people the ability to provide prizes for unofficial tournaments/etc that would be less exploitable than this? There is great value in providing such an ability, and not providing that ability encourages people who want to do such a thing to not participate in this community and instead go to places where pvp farming is accepted.

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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1110119#msg1110119
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2013, 11:44:48 pm »
Outside of tournament organisation or similar games, there`s no good reason to pay 2k for 1k. Instead it could lead to the problem that players come, get a good account with a super platinum /FG deck, play, and sell their reward codes to players, which are willing to pay for that.

Another problem: Good players use reward codes to feed their bronze alt account to be "the big fish in a small pond".
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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1110123#msg1110123
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2013, 12:22:24 am »
Instead it could lead to the problem that players come, get a good account with a super platinum /FG deck, play, and sell their reward codes to players, which are willing to pay for that.

That's obviously something ban worthy. For the other problem, consider that it is currently possible to set a farm for yourself (use 2 tabs with different accounts), get all rares and after that sell the cards in the bronze-alt. Once you got a good farmer deck in the alt it is just faster to use it.
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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1113238#msg1113238
« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2013, 05:26:43 am »
Instead it could lead to the problem that players come, get a good account with a super platinum /FG deck, play, and sell their reward codes to players, which are willing to pay for that.
That's obviously something ban worthy. For the other problem, consider that it is currently possible to set a farm for yourself (use 2 tabs with different accounts), get all rares and after that sell the cards in the bronze-alt. Once you got a good farmer deck in the alt it is just faster to use it.
ummm tell me the point of having a bronze alt again? Other than for fun?

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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1113240#msg1113240
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2013, 05:43:26 am »
Instead it could lead to the problem that players come, get a good account with a super platinum /FG deck, play, and sell their reward codes to players, which are willing to pay for that.
That's obviously something ban worthy. For the other problem, consider that it is currently possible to set a farm for yourself (use 2 tabs with different accounts), get all rares and after that sell the cards in the bronze-alt. Once you got a good farmer deck in the alt it is just faster to use it.
ummm tell me the point of having a bronze alt again? Other than for fun?

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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1113246#msg1113246
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2013, 08:02:20 am »
Perhaps a code that gave a random rare/shard that is not specified until redeemed. For instance, one could trade 2 shards for a random shard code to use as an event award. This might avoid purposeful "trading" and lend itself to be used for awards.

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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1113248#msg1113248
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2013, 08:15:20 am »
Perhaps a code that gave a random rare/shard that is not specified until redeemed. For instance, one could trade 2 shards for a random shard code to use as an event award. This might avoid purposeful "trading" and lend itself to be used for awards.

Even electrum code would be enough for me, like 2K for 1K electrum code.
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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1113253#msg1113253
« Reply #20 on: December 04, 2013, 10:30:20 am »
I really like the idea that you can trade shards/weps for a random code.
Ppl who create inoffical tournaments then have something to offer.

I would restrict it to unupped cards and set the cost up to 10 cards.
10 unupped weps generate 1 random wep reward code and same with shards.
This way it should be faster to farm bronze unupped than abusing this system.
And ppl think twice before they convert a upgraded card (selling income of the 10 rares is around 1500) into a random reward code.

IMAO such a feature will let the community and the number of inofficial PvP events grow.
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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1113254#msg1113254
« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2013, 10:34:32 am »
This would certainly be new motivation for me to grind :)
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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1113258#msg1113258
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2013, 01:59:13 pm »
I like the idea and do not see a problem - but it should not be possible for rares.

The price could also be rather high to be totally sure that there would not be any abuse. I would be fine with paying 10k for a 1k reward code.

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Re: Buying non-mark reward codes with in-game money/cards https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=52321.msg1113262#msg1113262
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2013, 02:55:40 pm »
well there is 1 little thing that you haven't thought of. People with lots of rares and score could simply give away loads of electrum and rares, for example several people got over 1M electrum they don't have any use for. This means we coudl end up with noobs that got 100K electrum and all rares, making bronze extremely hard etc etc.

I did think of that and basically just don't care.

Why not limiting the ability to get a reward code to once a week per account? If you would need more reward codes per week because of inofficial tournaments, you could still use alts. But you wouldn't be able to give a noob 100 000 :electrum or 6 of a shard in a moment just because he asked for it.
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