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Title: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 11, 2019, 05:52:01 pm
War Planning Team
The council is looking to hire three members for the war planning team.

The war planning team will discuss, adjust, and balance as needed the rule set of the major PvP event War (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/war/). These are the main tasks:


Requirements:

If you are interested in any of the above positions, send your application in a PM to TheonlyrealBeef (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/pm/?sa=send;u=17) titled “War Planning Team Application”. Your application will be shared with the rest of the Council, and we will discuss them. Do not forget to check what Council looks for in an applicant (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/elements-council/what-the-council-looks-for-in-applications) if you haven't already. Council will take all applications into account and assign staff positions to our volunteers accordingly.

If you have questions regarding the balancing of War, feel free to send a PM to mathman101.

Time is up, thank you to those who applied!
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: Manuel on June 11, 2019, 11:21:23 pm
so the main difference from this and wm is:

wp can join war
wp require 95% less effort than be a wm but still make u look extra cool

this to me look like another useless staff position, like it was the mentor program (rip) the social media manager (rip) the guildmaster (rip) the bug hunter (rip) the card curator (rip), AND I KNOW i miss something

i've seen a lot more partecipation in private from us, 12 masters, on try to fix war without even having a forum section to do it, i think 12 masters (or gens?) + wm(s) can work a lot more better

anyone can care more about war than masters/gens?
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: ddevans96 on June 12, 2019, 01:03:50 am
I'm fundamentally opposed to this for a different reason: Knowing event cards in advance is a massive advantage.

Scrap this and just go straight to hiring WMs. I'll volunteer in a second if the alternative if this.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: Linkcat on June 12, 2019, 02:25:28 am
Good catch, event cards should definitely not be created before War starts if they're not known to everyone in advance. Doesn't mean we have to scrap the whole idea, though.

Quote from: Manuel on June 11, 2019, 11:21:23 pm
so the main difference from this and wm is:

wp can join war
wp require 95% less effort than be a wm but still make u look extra cool

this to me look like another useless staff position, like it was the mentor program (rip) the social media manager (rip) the guildmaster (rip) the bug hunter (rip) the card curator (rip), AND I KNOW i miss something

i've seen a lot more partecipation in private from us, 12 masters, on try to fix war without even having a forum section to do it, i think 12 masters (or gens?) + wm(s) can work a lot more better

anyone can care more about war than masters/gens?

The reason this position exists is that the number of people that want to improve War is greater than the number of people willing to be WM, and it's clear that it needs to be improved. If you or any other master believe that you can make the event better, I encourage you to apply. I would definitely vote for you.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: immortal feud on June 12, 2019, 02:35:40 am
i think ive thrown out the idea of creating EC/SEC before war and revlealing them before.
i said it has major benefits like getting feedback so they are originally balanced and dont change after a day/week, getting the wording unambiguous the first time and getting some discussion on if a particular EC/SEC baises a team(s) too much. In responce to dd i dont think there is any advantage for a team because ideally all the EC/SEC are approved by all the teams before war starts. I liked the idea of dice being rolled to decide which of the EC/SEC come next during war but a predetermined order could be cool too.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 12, 2019, 05:44:47 am
I think the idea of making ECs public before the event has been brought up before, and makes for a perfect solution to the problem presented.

Honestly, part of the reason for this is because of certain Masters/generals with wonderful ideas for war, that do not want to give up participation over implementing it.
There is no real constraint to how you achieve these new rules, though. The war planning team has to cut ropes, make decisions and will be held responsible for it, but they are free to involve any number of people in the process. Say all Masters/generals.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 12, 2019, 08:55:27 am
I think a war planning team is a great idea, for the reason stated multiple times before: most people who want to help also want to play.

I do think EC should either be designed by war planners and be public or designed by WMs during war. I lean towards the latter. The former would remove the excitement of ECs. Having said that, keep the ECs simple. No necromancy (dead teams fighting alive teams), no hate (like the +10 discard bomb from a few wars ago), no win-more (If you will all matches, gain 10 relics or other bs).

And get rid of SEC. Worst idea ever implemented. At least if you screw up an EC, you only screw up one round. This one screws up 3 rounds. Anyone who thinks SEC is a good idea probably also thinks the ECs previously mentioned are a good idea, thus their opinion should be ignored. Still salty about war #11 SEC.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: ARTHANASIOS on June 12, 2019, 03:31:33 pm
Quote from: ddevans96 on June 12, 2019, 01:03:50 am
I'm fundamentally opposed to this for a different reason: Knowing event cards in advance is a massive advantage.

Scrap this and just go straight to hiring WMs. I'll volunteer in a second if the alternative if this.

This is easily fixed by:
* Making the order that ECs appear at war random.
* Creating a pool of many ECs and just selecting a few of them for each war.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: Espithel on June 12, 2019, 03:36:37 pm
Quote from: ARTHANASIOS on June 12, 2019, 03:31:33 pm
Quote from: ddevans96 on June 12, 2019, 01:03:50 am
I'm fundamentally opposed to this for a different reason: Knowing event cards in advance is a massive advantage.

Scrap this and just go straight to hiring WMs. I'll volunteer in a second if the alternative if this.

This is easily fixed by:
* Making the order that ECs appear at war random.
* Creating a pool of many ECs and just selecting a few of them for each war.

The only fix is to make all ECs public at the start of war.

Even if you don't know the event card's order, you know they're coming up and will want to plan accordingly.
Even if you don't know which event cards are in the game, you know the total pool and will want to plan accordingly.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 17, 2019, 03:54:18 pm
Just over a day left with not nearly enough applicants. Do not forget to apply if you want to make an active contribution in improving war!
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: Wyand on June 17, 2019, 05:30:12 pm
I don't feel like I have enough experience, though I'm interested.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: serprex on June 17, 2019, 06:40:08 pm
Quote from: Wyand on June 17, 2019, 05:30:12 pm
I don't feel like I have enough experience, though I'm interested.

You have enough experience

But I'm wary of what you might come up with, so if you apply I'll have to apply too
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: Mobian on June 17, 2019, 10:15:47 pm
I would apply, but still only a Jr. Member.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: Wyand on June 17, 2019, 10:33:10 pm
Quote from: serprex on June 17, 2019, 06:40:08 pm
Quote from: Wyand on June 17, 2019, 05:30:12 pm
I don't feel like I have enough experience, though I'm interested.

You have enough experience

But I'm wary of what you might come up with, so if you apply I'll have to apply too

I'm not sure if I have to take this as a compliment or an insult. :silly:
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 18, 2019, 04:25:32 pm
Quote from: Wyand on June 17, 2019, 05:30:12 pm
I don't feel like I have enough experience, though I'm interested.
It's not even strictly required, and generalling for a team is already some good experience. If you're interested, just apply. Not even three applicants yet, so it's not like there are three or more applicants with more experience.

Quote from: Mobian on June 17, 2019, 10:15:47 pm
I would apply, but still only a Jr. Member.
I just copy/pasted those requirements for Warmaster since war planning team members are allowed to stay on as Warmaster.
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on June 30, 2019, 10:15:21 am
With each of the applicants gaining the support of the council, we are happy to announce our new war planning team:
kaempfer13, InsignificantWeeaboo, Wyand, serprex, deuce22
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: Wyand on June 30, 2019, 10:42:19 am
Nice team, I like it! It'll be an honor to work together with such esteemed players! :)
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 30, 2019, 11:17:53 am
inb4 SoFr banned
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: serprex on June 30, 2019, 11:49:22 am
Ew why so many? I thought things were scarce. None of these people are going to let me kick War into something new, like a wilted flower left in the sun to fake photosynthesis when all that's left is the charcoal markings pointing truest North
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: Wyand on June 30, 2019, 11:51:50 am
no wonder you made the interview with shock :sillyspin:
Title: Re: Now Hiring: War Planning Team
Post by: deuce22 on June 30, 2019, 11:47:29 pm
Quote from: iancudorinmarian on June 30, 2019, 11:17:53 am
inb4 SoFr banned

That was a condition upon my services being hired
blarg: mathman101,kaempfer13,InsignificantWeeaboo,Wyand,serprex,deuce22