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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307541#msg1307541
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2022, 01:06:26 am »
Unless you get more than 12 players, there will only be 2 mafia players?

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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307542#msg1307542
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2022, 05:08:03 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307543#msg1307543
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2022, 06:36:33 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307544#msg1307544
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2022, 06:43:11 pm »
Eh sure why not
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307545#msg1307545
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2022, 02:55:21 pm »
Small swap-around on the rules. Changes have been made to the Harrowing world ability.
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307546#msg1307546
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2022, 06:44:30 pm »
What the hell. That #10 spot looks nice.

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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307547#msg1307547
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2022, 01:39:52 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307548#msg1307548
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2022, 03:00:23 pm »
Night 0 has ended.

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Alpharius and Omegon, twin demi-god Primarchs of the Alpha Legion, unrivaled in their warfare of deception and infiltration, joined the Arch Traitor Horus at the breakout of the Heresy.

However, the twins did not agree on how the conflict should come to end. Alpharius has been working closely with the Arch Traitor, feeding him inside information on the Imperium using listening posts and sleeper operatives. Omegon believes this to be unfair, and decides to take one of the listening posts and convert it to supply the Emporer of Mankind with inside information of the Traitors.
Omegon plans on doing the unthinkable to achieve this, he must infiltrate his own Legion.

Omegon calls on a trusted Legionarie, Sheed Ranko, and gives him a flask of Primarch blood. Omegon advises Sheed this should only be used if Omegon is to fall.

Alpharius, sensing his twins ambitions, calls on First Captain Ingo Pech, offering Ingo a flask of Primarch blood with the same instructions Omegon gave his first captain.

The first moves are being made. No one can tell who is being infiltrated and who is doing the infiltration. Let the Night shroud us, in the day we will find the who waves the false flag. We will find the Serpent Beneath.
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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307549#msg1307549
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2022, 03:46:07 pm »
I invited marsmoons; this'll be their first game

@marsmoons: there are two scum, Alpharius & Ingo. Town has Omegon & Sheed. Omegon is effectively cop, Sheed is a doctor

Cop: role check, roles are alignment indicative in this ruleset so the check is also a scumcheck. It's possible for Ingo to cause a misread
Doctor: prevents Night Kill (NK) by attempting to protect who they believe is most likely to be Night Kill target

If you're scum then take your scum buddy's advice on night actions & lean into that innocent confused first timer persona. If you're town ask for what Omegon should be doing because regardless of role town wants to represent being Omegon to hide the true Omegon

Harrowing mechanic is neat, it effectively throws a wrench in everyone representing "I am Omegon"

Randomly reading town gives an ~81% correctness, or ~20% chance of signaling to scum you aren't Omegon

So for example a D2 Harrowing will have potential Omegon sreduced by 81% D1, 63% D2, then something like half the Harrowing candidates will be known non-Omegon. Assuming mislynch D1 then this rough scenario seems bad & quite possible:

s1
s2
t3
t4 dead
t5 dead
t6 dead
t7
t8
t9
x10 D1
x11 D2
x12 D2

(x means read scum as town, t means town, s means scum, D1/D2 is misread, dead is dead..)

So Harrowing would be a few players where about half of them are struck out which means about half of a few players to hide identity behind

This does scenario does involve scum making exploitable plays: only killing people with good reads. & I'm not sure Omegon can afford to give false reads to protect themselves (hard for them to know if they've been discovered, in which case they don't want to die without admitting to giving a scum read on a townie to throw off scum)

For Sheed it seems like the best target would be someone who town reads you, since that'll avoid protecting someone who has misread & thus become low priority for NK

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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307550#msg1307550
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2022, 03:57:46 pm »
re throws a wrench, I should've specified this is evaluating the idea that everyone should give random checks to hide Omegon giving their check. I also started with evaluation skipping Ingo landing misdirection, which only makes matters worse if Omegon outs themselves by aggressively scum reading Ingo's target

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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307551#msg1307551
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2022, 05:04:11 pm »
@MasterWalks Sheed can target same target each night?

If yes, then there's amusing plays where Omegon claims while being immune to Nightkill as long as Sheed lives

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Re: Elements Mafia 79 - by MasterWalks https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68266.msg1307552#msg1307552
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2022, 06:12:54 pm »
@MasterWalks Sheed can target same target each night?

If yes, then there's amusing plays where Omegon claims while being immune to Nightkill as long as Sheed lives

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