legionaire reveals who the target targeted and nothing else, right? then what does ingo pech change about that?
so normally legionaire would see the actual (player) name of the target and instead they see that name replaced with "Alpharius"?
Unless you get more than 12 players, there will only be 2 mafia players?
s1
s2
t3
t4 dead
t5 dead
t6 dead
t7
t8
t9
x10 D1
x11 D2
x12 D2
@MasterWalks Sheed can target same target each night?
If yes, then there's amusing plays where Omegon claims while being immune to Nightkill as long as Sheed lives
I invited marsmoons; this'll be their first gameWhile this faking the coprole so that the real cop can give his results in plain text without immediately getting exposed is being done in some mafias, it is completely useless if the cop gives fakeresults and as you mathed it relatively quickly narrows down the options when being straightforward. (mind you, scum also gets to rolecop players each night). Furthermore, I dont even trust half the players to participate in this strategy, let alone being convincing (which also includes a very risky fake red check occassionally).
-snip- I assume you wrote this part before reading your pm
Harrowing mechanic is neat, it effectively throws a wrench in everyone representing "I am Omegon"
If scum is caught. Note that everyone on some level wants to pretend to be Omegon, regardless of role (well, maybe not legionaires), though you shouldnt fakehardclaim it as town that is about to get lynched, as that might compell the true Omegon to claim and you are still getting lynched, with half of our "must survive"-team exposed.
Randomly reading town gives an ~81% correctness, or ~20% chance of signaling to scum you aren't Omegon
So for example a D2 Harrowing will have potential Omegon sreduced by 81% D1, 63% D2, then something like half the Harrowing candidates will be known non-Omegon. Assuming mislynch D1 then this rough scenario seems bad & quite possible:
s1
s2
t3
t4 dead
t5 dead
t6 dead
t7
t8
t9
x10 D1
x11 D2
x12 D2
(x means read scum as town, t means town, s means scum, D1/D2 is misread, dead is dead..)
So Harrowing would be a few players where about half of them are struck out which means about half of a few players to hide identity behind
This does scenario does involve scum making exploitable plays: only killing people with good reads. & I'm not sure Omegon can afford to give false reads to protect themselves (hard for them to know if they've been discovered, in which case they don't want to die without admitting to giving a scum read on a townie to throw off scum)
For Sheed it seems like the best target would be someone who town reads you, since that'll avoid protecting someone who has misread & thus become low priority for NK
Roles
Mafia exclusive roles
Primarch Alpharius- Target a player. That player's role is revealed to you.
First Captain Ingo Pech- Target a player. If that player is targeted by Primarch or a Legionare, the result will be "Alpharius".
Universal Role
Legionarie- Target a player. If that player targets another player, those targets are revealed to you.
already asked that, it overwrites any results with the name "Alpharius", even if its nonsense. a legionaire immediately knows a framing occured on said target then.
We agree on instantly announcing a red check, right? At least at this stage of the game, as we get rid of 50% of the mafia and doc becomes cop?Not strictly and its always better to be subtle if its enough for the correct lynch. Also, for the time being mafia has a framer, which will result in a red check on their (town) target, so there is a margin of error, though it could be detected as false alarm by a legionaire with lucky targeting.
I think it would be better to double check a claim that could be framed.
Also we should try to explore Legionnaires crossing streams to get potential liers, since scum didn't got any Legionnaires
Legionnaires crossing streams does sound like a legit place to start.... When would you want them to start revealing targets?Same question goes to you. What even is the plan here? Have a designated target for every legionaire? That falls apart after the first claim.
N0 99
D1 89
N1 78
D2 67
N2 56
D3 45
N3 34
D4 23
No need. its illegall
3. If a lynch is tied, a dice will be rolled publicly in blab chat to determine who is lynched. There must be a lynch. If there are no votes on any players by end of a Day phase, all players will be treated as tied.
Legionnaires crossing streams does sound like a legit place to start.... When would you want them to start revealing targets?Same question goes to you. What even is the plan here? Have a designated target for every legionaire? That falls apart after the first claim.
I think it would be better to double check a claim that could be framed.
Also we should try to explore Legionnaires crossing streams to get potential liers, since scum didn't got any Legionnaires
Well, gotta get the ball rolling somehow. I could see this point being raised by scum, as it would bind Omegon for an extended amount of time (at least 2 phases) and perhaps not act on a red check.
Additionaly, crossing streams (meaning targeting the same person) is exactly not how to catch liars with this role. If we want someone to prove they are legionaire in a night after a claim, we should select a target for them and ask them to give a result, without the target indicating if and who they target (ingo pech is a problem though, as it gives an out). Otherwise having legionaires spread out tends to give more information. not that we could really coordinate that anyway (Correction: I can think of a way of working with signuplists and target x if you are legionaire. This method is strictly beneficial to scum).
Welp, we all know I'm a rookie at best, but I was thinking if 2 Leg target the same person, but report different results, that would give us an idea as to who to start looking at as being sus. If both return with the same target, we have confirmed townies.
But as I'm sitting here typing that, what stops scum from just repeating the townie claim? The plan does require some revision.
I already mentioned this earlier, but it seems you hadnt noticed. crosstreams arent required, the targeted person also already knows what they did :)Legionnaires crossing streams does sound like a legit place to start.... When would you want them to start revealing targets?Same question goes to you. What even is the plan here? Have a designated target for every legionaire? That falls apart after the first claim.
Welp, we all know I'm a rookie at best, but I was thinking if 2 Leg target the same person, but report different results, that would give us an idea as to who to start looking at as being sus. If both return with the same target, we have confirmed townies.
Primarch or a Legionare
I already mentioned this earlier, but it seems you hadnt noticed. crosstreams arent required, the targeted person also already knows what they did :)
I'd like to get something else sorted out: the spelling of Legionare [sic]
I assume it's from https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ur-legionaries
But that only shows the plural form. Meanwhile MW posted singular in rulesQuotePrimarch or a Legionare
But Google autocorrect is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionnaire_(film)
Which Mobian agrees with using plural Legionnaires, & timpa used Legionnaire
Meanwhile kaempfer goes with legionaire, though he's also used legionare
Root uses legionarie & legionaries
It's maddening
But then it isnt really a strategy other than keeping your cards close to your chest until the right moment, so speculating on it seems sort of moot. Additionally, thats really not what it sounded like you wanted. 1) It sounded like you specifically wanted to force the scenario somehow
Exactly because we can't coordinate there will inevitably be targets that are the same. We can't do the same thing we did last game where we claim every round (it worked badly anyway), but it still leaves the door open for counterclaims.
Your idea seems more suited for a situation where someone claimed to be a Legionnaire to get out of a lynch. A point to think about that is whether we should even consider claiming Legionnaire in this situation to be a pro-town move, since claiming Legionnaire, getting out of a lynch and getting other townie lynched removes 2 people instead of 1 from the scum PoE for our power roles.
I'd like to get something else sorted out: the spelling of Legionare [sic]
I assume it's from https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ur-legionaries
But that only shows the plural form. Meanwhile MW posted singular in rulesQuotePrimarch or a Legionare
But Google autocorrect is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legionnaire_(film)
Which Mobian agrees with using plural Legionnaires, & timpa used Legionnaire
Meanwhile kaempfer goes with legionaire, though he's also used legionare
Root uses legionarie & legionaries
It's maddening
You missed everything. Kaempfer's about to solve the game.Yeah, I already figured out what all the roles are called.
I think someone voted me earlier, if they did then I'll do an OMGUS vote, otherwise just put my vote on serp I guess.Many ways lead to Rome.
Btw I missed my night action again last night, sorry.Ironically, this makes you the mechanically correct lynch. Oh well, cant wait until you start producing content 2 hours from deadline.
(Not sorry)
(Claiming now so ya'll don't try to lynch me for it later)
Anyway, I'll try to actually play tomorrow. I think someone voted me earlier, if they did then I'll do an OMGUS vote, otherwise just put my vote on serp I guess.
Linkcat (1) - serprexHunch
serprex (1) - Linkcat
marsmoons (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) marsmoons
cool. Reason?
ok well that was waste of a read, nothing exciting at all except for the spelling of legionaire
I volunteer to help www.(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYWI4YzNkZDYtZTgxZS00MzU4LWE3NjYtNzEwMDBmZWQzZmE4XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDc2NjEyMw@@._V1_.jpg)
This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ) might also be helpful.
Ok, I dont want to invalidate your feelings right of the gate. Are you more active now or do you only have anything to say at phasebeginnings or upon getting voted?
Linkcat (1) - serprexHunch
serprex (1) - Linkcat
marsmoons (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) marsmoons
cool. Reason?
Shot in the dark.
Warning: I once shot my own teammate at Paintball out of fear I was seeing the enemy.
I volunteer to help www.(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BYWI4YzNkZDYtZTgxZS00MzU4LWE3NjYtNzEwMDBmZWQzZmE4XkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDc2NjEyMw@@._V1_.jpg)
This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ) might also be helpful.
Except we are talking about Legionaries, as we have discussed at length.
Anyways for some actual content an ordered (but not really very strongly founded) readlist:
serprex
shockcannon
wyand
Rootranger
Linkcat
PlayerOa
worldwideweb3
andretimpa
Mobian
marsmoons
and for scale for my (lack of) confidence here's my scumread:
initially i just put my vote on marsmoons since it seemed to be the one case where a vote actually gets someone to participate on some level. It looks like I was right on that part, but while the vote is the strongest tool for making a stance, his reasoning is just about the bare minimum (and a bit hedgy, though i personally was never fond of that scumtell, especially in early stages). It kinda feels like he's playing for survival rather than actually solving.
Ok, I dont want to invalidate your feelings right of the gate. Are you more active now or do you only have anything to say at phasebeginnings or upon getting voted?
Rule of three: given 3 scum reads, one of the three will be their buddy
I'd expect the Doc managed to target the same person as the night kill, but it's a valid possibility that the mafia just didn't send in a target. In which case, well, the less active people would be a bit more likely to be mafia, so :/
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Oa would be sad but he kinda deserves it. So him, serp, and andre are who I'm looking at right now since I have no scumreads yet.
-snip-
Oa would be sad but he kinda deserves it. So him, serp, and andre are who I'm looking at right now since I have no scumreads yet. Oh and turns out w3 was actually back in 75, so he's fine too. [...]
(Now out of those please choose one that's not my mafia partner and I'll push with you thanks)
@oa are you still on vacation? I don't know why we should be sad about lynching someone who's basking at the poolside in Italy. Is going on vacation no longer political career suicide?Nope, well back home. I’m just confused as fck about the rules and how to play, lol.
@oa are you still on vacation? I don't know why we should be sad about lynching someone who's basking at the poolside in Italy. Is going on vacation no longer political career suicide?Nope, well back home. I’m just confused as fck about the rules and how to play, lol.
Inactive enough in the night to possibly miss sending the nightkill altogether: i think its absolutely save to exclude serprex and Mobian. i cannot believe rootranger would fail this hard on a mechanical level either.
The only ones that failed to check in in the night were w3 and marsmoons, yet Linkcat also managed to miss his night action somehow apparently. Even so, I believe the chance of both mafia members failing to place a nightkill is abyssmal, unless they fully expected the other one to cover that.
So i think it was a successful safe. Which for the general public simply means that one of the (presumably more active) players is town and only a singular trustworthy person knows who exactly that person is.
Inactive enough in the night to possibly miss sending the nightkill altogether: i think its absolutely save to exclude serprex and Mobian. i cannot believe rootranger would fail this hard on a mechanical level either.
The only ones that failed to check in in the night were w3 and marsmoons, yet Linkcat also managed to miss his night action somehow apparently. Even so, I believe the chance of both mafia members failing to place a nightkill is abyssmal, unless they fully expected the other one to cover that.
So i think it was a successful safe. Which for the general public simply means that one of the (presumably more active) players is town and only a singular trustworthy person knows who exactly that person is.
The only worlds where I see mafia forgetting a NK is if both players are inactive or they got confused about whether there was a NK during N0. Looking at the bottom posters, I don't actually buy any of them forgetting to send the kill. If they didn't know about N0 kills the mafia team is 2 among Wyand, Mobian, marsmoons (too unlikely to pursue right now imo).
Of course, there's always the galaxy brain play of 2 active players not sending the NK to make us look somewhere else for the rest of the game :sillyspin:
I'll probably be busy around EOD, so will cast a vote now.If thats the way you feel, you should really be voting me. You're basically saying "I tend to wrongly assume that w3's default playstyle is scummy and he's exhibiting it so I'm voting him". If anything you should correct that bias, if thats a consistent thing.
I'm okay with w3, Oa or shock being the lynch. w3 always plays the way he's playing and it always rubs me as scummy, I don't buy Oa's excuse that the rules are too complicated to even post and shock has done nothing the entire D1.
PlayerOa (2) - Linkcat, RootRanger
marsmoons (2) - Mobian, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - marsmoons
worldwideweb3 (2) - serprex, andretimpa
About the rest of the players: Wyand and marsmoons get a pass for being noobs. I'm getting (n-) vibes from kae, but that's a tone read and my tone reads suck. Root and serp are town leans and I have no formed opinion on the rest.
too late unfortunately, but dont feel particularly great about voting shock anyways
too late unfortunately, but dont feel particularly great about voting shock anyways
Rule specifically says "made after :00 timestamp. Timpas vote is legal
too late unfortunately, but dont feel particularly great about voting shock anyways
Rule specifically says "made after :00 timestamp. Timpas vote is legal
timpa/oa, linkcat/oa definitely not w/w
I think wagonomics pretty much flip my reads upside down other than serp, he's still cool.
It doesnt really seem like any of the leading trains had a(n active) scumpartner.
Root has been pushing exclusively inactives which means at most 1 of them... Nevermind, useless.
Mobian seems a bit theatralic, but he also seemed eager to be part of the w3 train, which would have been unnecessary if he already knew the outcome.
v: serprex
n+: RootRanger, kaempfer13, timpa, mobian
4 people & myself bothered to consider the ruleset & plan
n: shock
Waiting for his galaxy brain throw before I read him n+
n?: www3, oa, wyand, marsmoons
Not enough content to read
n-: Linkcat
Linkcat always refuses to cooperate with me & yet in mafia cast admitted I was reading things pretty well
There's an argument to NL given miss. First digit is population after phase with D1 lynch, second digit is population after phase with D1 no lynch. The latter gives a lynch D4. & with this time is more time for Omegon to confirm town. It's also important to end on a lynch instead of a NK given Harrowing
serprex assessment seems to agree with my hunch:
n- kae
n+ serprex, mobian
serprex assessment seems to agree with my hunch:
n- kae
n+ serprex, mobian, oa
I think wagonomics pretty much flip my reads upside down other than serp, he's still cool.
It doesnt really seem like any of the leading trains had a(n active) scumpartner.
1/9 are pretty good odds, & those odds are improved when accounting for good manners like not making first NK Wyand or marsmoons
@marsmoons: while it's important to push independently, in the end town needs to vote together to win. You're not going to build consensus on kaempfer13 based on "hunch". Notice how I haven't been able to get any consensus building on Linkcat despite my best efforts to build a case because in the end the group will never vote Linkcat D1 unless someone hard claims a scum check on him. Now that you're a leading wagon you're compelled to move your vote to Oa for self preservation. Oa should be voting on you for the same reason
Now, from my own perspective, I don't see town hitting scum D1 with only 6/11 votes. Unless we're buying this "lol doc can't hit saves here because #neverlucky" theory. So I don't think marsmoons/oa are it. There'd be more chance that the kaempfer13 vote is a lucky hit than scum letting themselves go this early. Unless Root is marsmoons' buddy. He'd recognize the Oa wagon as the most reasonable one to get behind
For now I'll try build wagons on two people waiting until the final hour to vote
PlayerOa (2) - Linkcat, RootRanger
marsmoons (2) - Mobian, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - marsmoons
worldwideweb3 (1) - serprex
I think wagonomics pretty much flip my reads upside down other than serp, he's still cool.
It doesnt really seem like any of the leading trains had a(n active) scumpartner.
You're overestimating the amount of influence mafia has in a two mafia game. There are several possibilities, I'm looking at andre/marsmoons right now.
But Oa certainly has no active friends.
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As town you are the only one you can truly know to be town, as scum survival is even more important, as you only have 1 more teammember to grab the win.
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so much easier to get on marsmoon train though. Mobian couldnt do that, but look at his buildup, he was voicing a preference for another train after he considered it too late for said train and Oa was going down.But Oa certainly has no active friends.
Mobian, serprex. Are you even looking?
Yeah, because mafia will always do the most transparent play possible to save a partner...I can see it for serprex, but he always was solidly in my townreads. Meanwhile Mobians (in mobian oa world) supposed play would be the worst of both worlds. He doesnt think he can save someone thats about to flip red, yet expresses intent to vote the counterwagon.
The thought crossed my mind that we could coordinate who Oregon should target, but as kae mentioned, the existence of a Framer kinda breaks this strat.
I think wagonomics pretty much flip my reads upside down other than serp, he's still cool.
It doesnt really seem like any of the leading trains had a(n active) scumpartner.
You're overestimating the amount of influence mafia has in a two mafia game. There are several possibilities, I'm looking at andre/marsmoons right now.
marsmoons with andre/inactive works. Also, I cant quite get rid of the conspiracy theory that Mobian would be his partner, since Mobian gave a reason to vote him that was then immediately addressed by marsmoons allowing it to be a throwaway vote (and also seemed sort of coordinated to me). But Oa certainly has no active friends.
Do consider that the influence of town is also diminished with at least 2 townies not voting at all (though it should be said that none of the wagons even bothered selfpressing, (which itself speaks more for town(or sheer inactivity)), but makes saving them also more challenging).
marsmoons not selfpressing also contradicts my initial impression that he reacts to pressure.
Top 2 townreads, top 2 scumreads. Go.
scum
gun to the head Link and Root mostly by poe
What about a shock/moons combo?
yesS O L V E D G A M E
Why would they do that and how exactly does this indicate that (beyond them probably trying to kill an active player last time)?
Why would they do that and how exactly does this indicate that (beyond them probably trying to kill an active player last time)?
They might think shock's "always target kaempf" meta makes it likely that he'd be Sheed
Updating my readlist
n+: serp, Root
n-: Link, moons, kae, Oa
w: shock
The rest are still on n
Imagine wasting a NK on shock
If you didn't receive a PM with results, but feel that you should have, please let me know. I'm getting reports some got the PM and some didn't.
If you are a Legionarie, even if your target makes no target themselves, you should still see a PM.
I have not received a PM. Please keep these things private, as they are not supposed to be part of the game. Now i cant unsee that you're most probably town (or Alpharius)
Glad to avoid NK. I thought: if kaempf is truly scum, I’m the target for NK. Its never actually that simple, but you gotta start somewhere. from your POV it should increase the odds of me town, but not guarantee it.
Now agreeing with kaempf and will watch Link.QuoteFirst Captain Sheed Ranko- Target a player. That player can not be Night Killed this night.
How does this play out? If mafia votes Sheed’s protected player, do they lose their vote or do they choose another?
Mafia doesnt actually vote, last word counts. if sheeds target is selected the night will end as if no nightkill was committed.
Linkcat (1) - serprex
serprex(1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (1) - serprex
serprex (1) - Linkcat
marsmoons (1) - Mobian
Linkcat (1) - serprex
serprex (1) - Linkcat
marsmoons (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) marsmoons
Linkcat (1) - serprex
serprex (1) - Linkcat
marsmoons (2) - Mobian, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) marsmoons
Linkcat (1) - serprex
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
marsmoons (2) - Mobian, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) marsmoons
Linkcat (1) - serprex
PlayerOa (2) - Linkcat, RootRanger
marsmoons (2) - Mobian, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) marsmoons
PlayerOa (2) - Linkcat, RootRanger
marsmoons (2) - Mobian, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - marsmoons
worldwideweb3 (1) - serprex
PlayerOa (2) - Linkcat, RootRanger
marsmoons (2) - Mobian, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - marsmoons
worldwideweb3 (2) - serprex, andretimpa
PlayerOa (3) - Linkcat, RootRanger, andretimpa
marsmoons (2) - Mobian, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - marsmoons
worldwideweb3 (1) - serprex
PlayerOa (3) - Linkcat, RootRanger, andretimpa
marsmoons (1) - kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - marsmoons
worldwideweb3 (2) - serprex, Mobian
PlayerOa (2) - Linkcat, RootRanger
marsmoons (1) - kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - marsmoons
worldwideweb3 (3) - serprex, Mobian, andretimpa
My guess would be that a wagon is a lynch list.
But what are these n+ n- etc, thingies?
Also I noticed a peculiarity about the wording of the rules. I think everyone thats not the main power roles is a legionary (bin reluctant to voice this due to it being a softclaim if untrue). If true that has major implications if noone noticed a framing and someone holstered (yh Linkcat only half counts).
My guess would be that a wagon is a lynch list.
But what are these n+ n- etc, thingies?
readlists with low confidence. we discussed this earlier.
Also Link asked you to make one yourself and i too wish that everyone attempts to note some comprehensive tendencies of how they feel about others. Or at least give their strongest read, even if it's just townreads.
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Take 2. Can we policy lynch Linkcat yet for holstering N0?
Linkcat (1) - serprex
Take 2. Can we policy lynch Linkcat yet for holstering N0?
You talking about the NK?
Btw I missed my night action again last night, sorry.
(Not sorry)
(Claiming now so ya'll don't try to lynch me for it later)
Anyway, I'll try to actually play tomorrow. I think someone voted me earlier, if they did then I'll do an OMGUS vote, otherwise just put my vote on serp I guess.
I invited marsmoons; this'll be their first game
lean into that innocent confused first timer persona.
well, also if someone holstered. Also, did someone target serprex last night?
well, also if someone holstered. Also, did someone target serprex last night?
So, is everyone just waiting for Linkcat now? If so and he clearly doesnt have enough time for proper thoughts, I think he actually should just hardclaim. We know his targets already anyway.
So how does it work? Ppl just throw in here what they know about targets, or just bluff about it...? :)I was talking specifically about Linkcat claiming before we chop his head off, not a massclaim. Unless you can tell that serprex wasnt framed there is no point in you claiming.
So, is everyone just waiting for Linkcat now? If so and he clearly doesnt have enough time for proper thoughts, I think he actually should just hardclaim. We know his targets already anyway.
So, is everyone just waiting for Linkcat now? If so and he clearly doesnt have enough time for proper thoughts, I think he actually should just hardclaim. We know his targets already anyway.
Oh wow. Well, if Linkcat flips civ, we ask if anyone targeted serprex N1.
Honestly for me it is still pretty strange how quickly ppl jumped on the Linkcat bandwagon.
Honestly for me it is still pretty strange how quickly ppl jumped on the Linkcat bandwagon.
Yeah, that is kind of strange. Maybe we should start our own wagon. With blackjack, and hookers.
nah, its about the reveal by the host upon death (red is evil, town/villager/civ are good civilization).
Also, do you understand what a Legionary receiving an Alpharius result (on serprex) means?
Honestly for me it is still pretty strange how quickly ppl jumped on the Linkcat bandwagon.
Yeah, that is kind of strange. Maybe we should start our own wagon. With blackjack, and hookers.
nah, its about the reveal by the host upon death (red is evil, town/villager/civ are good civilization).
Also, do you understand what a Legionary receiving an Alpharius result (on serprex) means?
Guess it means he figured serp is Alpharius by targeting or smth.
I said Legionary (Links initial claim), not Omegon. Pay attention. I get it when you cant read peoples social cues, we are all terrible at it, but at least try to get your hard information right. Serp and Root were maybe a bit premature with their votes (there were some clues already), but the other votes are well justified.nah, its about the reveal by the host upon death (red is evil, town/villager/civ are good civilization).Guess it means he figured serp is Alpharius by targeting or smth.
Also, do you understand what a Legionary receiving an Alpharius result (on serprex) means?
If Omegon stays quiet, the chance of him dying tonight is too high. If Alpharius has scanned 0/1/2 of the 4 people in the list, Omegon's death likelihood (without adjusting for Sheed) are 25%/33%/50%. With Sheed protecting someone in the list randomly, the likelihood goes to 18%/25%/38%. The chance of Omegon dying in Night 3 shoots up drastically, as Alpharius can both kill someone on the list and check someone else. So the Omegon claim has to happen, either right now or after tonight, but I don't really see the merits of waiting, right?
Also @Mobian that's a bold claim for someone who... isn't Omegon lol
dont be so rash, there is value in a harrowing occuring without the other townrole exposedElaborate? As in, let Omegon die, or?
@MasterWalks, for the Harrowing, is the 50% rounded up or down? So, with 7 players left, would 3 names be posted or 4?
Sure but you also risk Omegon dying without ever revealing any results. If Omegon roleclaims and survives, we get 3 nights of results to reveal in the next day phase. Even if Sheed dies immediately, we likely have enough information to win the game through combining the Omegon claim with the Harrowing. Keep in mind that a confirmed Omegon can not only confirm their green checks, but also we can semi-confirm more people if any Legionaries can reveal who Omegon targeted (prior to Omegon revealing this information). As in, if Player A says that Omegon targeted Player B in N0, and Omegon confirms this, then Player A is almost certainly civ. Whereas, if Omegon dies (which, in the no-claim scenario, is more likely than Sheed dying in the claim scenario), we've turned a near-certain win into potential defeat with the total lack of information to work with.Actually an interesting point in favor of omegon claiming after Legionaries somehow. Though giving results as an unordered list may also be a good middle of the road. In that potential strategy, it would be ideal for omegon to reveal identity in the night and giving shuffled results sometime in the day (alpharius ends the game so they are all going to be town).
If Alpharius counterclaims town has 3 more lynches so votes out both, winningtown loses with sheed and omegon dead. so if we shoot omegon its kinda bad
If Alpharius counterclaims town has 3 more lynches so votes out both, winningtown loses with sheed and omegon dead. so if we shoot omegon its kinda bad
Alright
I'm Omegon
N0 Oa
N1 Linkcat
Mobian are you seriously trying to reduce Root's Sheed options to one?
Mobian are you seriously trying to reduce Root's Sheed options to one?
You know, I just thought of that right after I hit submit. Tell us if he's town.
get rekt
serp and Root rose from n+ to v in my eyes
get rektThat was in reference to you both parking on Linkcat. It really doesnt prove anything mechanically.
serp and Root rose from n+ to v in my eyes
Alpharius needs to learn to read
get rekt
serp and Root rose from n+ to v in my eyes
Alpharius needs to learn to read
Either way, next day is MyLo. Andre's dying tonight. I just hope MW isn't enough of a prick to put both Root and Serp in the harrowing...The annoying part is that serprex isn't actually going to NK andre. So, we never get the benefits of a Harrowing. He wins if we lynch wrong, then kills andre the next night once I'm is gone. We can stall by lynching legionaries, but that doesn't achieve anything, since eventually we'll get to Lylo.
I'm voting for a 24 hr Reduction, get this show on the road.
Either way, next day is MyLo. Andre's dying tonight. I just hope MW isn't enough of a prick to put both Root and Serp in the harrowing...The annoying part is that serprex isn't actually going to NK andre. So, we never get the benefits of a Harrowing. He wins if we lynch wrong, then kills andre the next night once I'm is gone. We can stall by lynching legionaries, but that doesn't achieve anything, since eventually we'll get to Lylo.
I'm voting for a 24 hr Reduction, get this show on the road.
Either way, next day is MyLo. Andre's dying tonight. I just hope MW isn't enough of a prick to put both Root and Serp in the harrowing...The annoying part is that serprex isn't actually going to NK andre. So, we never get the benefits of a Harrowing. He wins if we lynch wrong, then kills andre the next night once I'm is gone. We can stall by lynching legionaries, but that doesn't achieve anything, since eventually we'll get to Lylo.
I'm voting for a 24 hr Reduction, get this show on the road.
>implying serp is not the lynch tomorrow if I survive
Either way, next day is MyLo. Andre's dying tonight. I just hope MW isn't enough of a prick to put both Root and Serp in the harrowing...The annoying part is that serprex isn't actually going to NK andre. So, we never get the benefits of a Harrowing. He wins if we lynch wrong, then kills andre the next night once I'm is gone. We can stall by lynching legionaries, but that doesn't achieve anything, since eventually we'll get to Lylo.
I'm voting for a 24 hr Reduction, get this show on the road.
OR it could be his own strategy. Either way, we have 2 suspects, and more than enough legs to sac if need be. It's not a viable strategy.
>implying serp is not the lynch tomorrow if I survive
get rekt
serp and Root rose from n+ to v in my eyes
Alpharius needs to learn to read
get rekt
serp and Root rose from n+ to v in my eyes
Alpharius needs to learn to read
This is actually a slip. serp knew that the other townread was the blocked nk. Omegon had no way of knowing that.
get rekt
serp and Root rose from n+ to v in my eyes
Alpharius needs to learn to read
This is actually a slip. serp knew that the other townread was the blocked nk. Omegon had no way of knowing that.
Yeah, I pointed that
Serp, buddy, you're sounding pretty desperate now... Be it in 1 or 2 Day phases, town WILL win. May as well come out now and reveal yourself, Alpha.
Well damn... and to think I called it N0.....
You are a fan of your nautical rules, aren't you, Serprex?
Oh gods, I just realized with as much as they bicker, a SerpCat scum team would be really nasty for us.......
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RootRanger getting sussed on inactives but still targeting the active players with cop.I'd expect the Doc managed to target the same person as the night kill, but it's a valid possibility that the mafia just didn't send in a target. In which case, well, the less active people would be a bit more likely to be mafia, so :/If mafia slept through their NK, then the inactives are more likely to be mafia. If mafia and the Doctor both targeted the same player, probably someone on the more active side, then the active players would be less likely to be mafia, so, same thing.
Linkcat (1) - serprex
PlayerOa (2) - Linkcat, RootRanger
marsmoons (2) - Mobian, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) marsmoons
I would also be happy lynching shockcannon.
This (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ) might also be helpful.
Mobian switch to www3 or timpa & I'll follow & timpa will follow on www3 & kaempfer get off marsmoonsI don't think serp was actually trying to O R C H E S T R A T E or invest in wagonomics, but truly wanted his friend to enjoy the game for a bit longer. Nice guy.
First Captain Sheed Ranko- Target a player. That player can not be Night Killed this night.If you didn't receive a PM with results, but feel that you should have, please let me know. I'm getting reports some got the PM and some didn't.
If you are a Legionarie, even if your target makes no target themselves, you should still see a PM.
I have not received a PM.
Glad to avoid NK. I thought: if kaempf is truly scum, I’m the target for NK.
Now agreeing with kaempf and will watch Link.
@serp why would you ever get into a thunderdome when you think there is 3 lynches left and you are the last teammember? You need people to suffer a stroke twice and also win a 50-50. From your PoV that was a 100% losing play, actually made me hesitate for a bit.
making targeting mandatory for information roles with no drawbacks (random roll if no action put in) mitigates the impact of people just forgetting to use their role. Until they get modkilled for inactivity anyway.
Also, it should be noted this was a townsided setup with the most townsided number of players, maximizing adverseries to mafia whilst still making legionary a confirmed town. Sure even with mafia legionary the wincondition would have remained the same and legionaries can still be ignored for lynches, but being able to unconditionally trust legionaries is a big deal (provided their claim can be verified).
For balancing some other roles that could be confused with ingo pech would probably have fit. maybe sth like a janitor (information roles on target yield no result), but somehow more usefull maybe (as that should just be holstered most of the time).
ty for targetting me then doc :P
@serp sure
PlayerOa (2) - Linkcat, RootRanger
marsmoons (1) - kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - marsmoons
worldwideweb3 (3) - serprex, Mobian, andretimpa
Kaempfer, with how data oriented you are, and how organized you are, you should host one. If I can do it, anyone canI can host one if people are up for it, have some ideas I can write up later today
Kaempfer, with how data oriented you are, and how organized you are, you should host one. If I can do it, anyone canI can host one if people are up for it, have some ideas I can write up later today
plz don't be anime theme.Lol hey now that was like 10 years ago!
@Wyand, can you visit the wordwideweb3 and both start participating?Btw, I was hoping Wyand would pick up this crumb and when he wrote that post to w3 i thought he understood. Yet he still couldnt produce a single read all game.
Actually, it may be a bit far, but if you can, consider getting the marsmoons on board as well.
who won? who was who?
Unfortunately I believe these last two games have shown that there are not enough people who are both willing to sign up and able to be active in order to run proper games. I cannot in good faith condone hosting another game after this one.
@Wyand, can you visit the wordwideweb3 and both start participating?Btw, I was hoping Wyand would pick up this crumb and when he wrote that post to w3 i thought he understood. Yet he still couldnt produce a single read all game.
Actually, it may be a bit far, but if you can, consider getting the marsmoons on board as well.
Dont worry MW, it's not anime themed, it's furry themed.
Soooo is mafia all of a sudden disallowed" Or is Linkcat just saying he won't be willing to run one himself due to current conditions?