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Title: Elements Mafia 78 - by serprex
Post by: serprex on March 21, 2022, 04:56:07 pm
Elements Mafia

Started by Mastermind79, Continued by killsdazombies, Implosion, ddevans96, icecoldbro, Demagog, Purity_Riot, Dragoon1140, killsdazombies, 1world24, RavingRabbid, majofa, TStar, killsdazombies, mesaprotector, Regen2k9, Kuroaitou, whatifidogetcaught?, UnderneathTheLens, RootRanger, killsdazombies, Elbirn, ji412jo, dawn to dusk, eljoemo, Zawadx, killsdazombies, theelkspeaks, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Dm, Espithel, killsdazombies, skyironsword, Submachine, Coffeeditto, mathman101, Naesala, Ginyu, Linkcat, Solaris, Ryli, killsdazombies, Naii_the_Baf, PlayerOa, rob77dp, and serprex.

All of the players in the game are collectively referred to as the Town. The Town is split into two factions. There is a minority faction, the Mafia, and a majority faction, also called Town. The Mafia start the game with the knowledge of who the other members are, and their goal is to kill all of the Town. The Town start the game not knowing who is Mafia and who is a fellow Town, and their goal is to kill all of the Mafia.

The game is split into two phases. It generally starts with a Night Phase, in which the Mafia choose one member of the Town to kill. This is called the Nightkill. Also, players may use abilities given to them by their roles during this phase. Following each Night Phase is the Day Phase. During the day, the Town may choose to lynch one player through the use of votes. Each player gets one vote, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched and removed from the game. This cycle continues until either all of the Mafia are dead, or the number of Mafia is equal to or greater than the number of Town at the beginning of a Day Phase. This is called reaching parity.

How to determine who is Mafia and who is Town is entirely up to the players. As a Mafia your job is to blend into the Town and direct lynches onto them without giving yourself away. As Town your job is to use logic, reason, tells, intuition, and any abilities you may have to determine who the Mafia are and lynch them. An inactive Town will easily fall prey to the Mafia, so try to generate as much information as possible. In the game of Mafia you have two main weapons; your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.

Village - Town
Villager - Town member
Civ - Town member
Wolf - Mafia
Scum - Mafia
Alignment - Primary Role
Roll/Rand - Having roles assigned
PR/Power Role - Roles that are very useful to the town - usually includes cop and medic
Cop - A role that has the ability to determine the alignment of another player
Medic - A role that has the ability to protect other players from the Nightkill
Shoot - Use an ability that would kill another player
Claim/Roleclaim - Say that you have a specific role
Soft/Softclaim - Hint that you have a specific role
Civvy Central - A group of confirmed Town
Scummy - Acting like a mafia
Towny - Acting like a town member
Town-Cred/Town Points - Factors that make it more likely that a player is town
Read - How scummy or towny you think someone is
AI/NAI - Alignment Indicative/Non-Alignment Indicative
Wagon/Train - A player that has multiple votes on them
FoS/Finger of Suspicion - Declare that you suspect someone without voting them
Tunnel - Having tunnel vision on a single player
Pocket/Buddy - Townread someone to get them on your side
Thunderdome - Confront someone so as to narrow the possible lynch to the two involved players
Self-Preservation - Vote on the biggest other wagon when you are a leading wagon, this is not a read-based vote unless stated
Hammer - Casting the final vote needed for a lynch
Bus - Throw a fellow mafia member under the bus to get town-cred
OMGUS - Oh My God, U Suck - Voting on someone just because they voted on you
CFD/Chinese Fire Drill - At EoD, pile votes onto someone who has little to no votes
Breadcrumb - Give hints to your role or actions in a post that you can call back on to give credibility to your claim
Breadpost - Shitpost
EV - Expected Value
EoD/End of Day - The last hours before the end of the day phase
PoE/Process of Elimination - Rank the lynch priority of the remaining players to give the best chance of lynching mafia sooner. Goes from low to high priority.
Deep Wolf - A mafia high on the PoE.
Powerwolf - A mafia that openly influences the direction of the game.
LyLo/Lynch or Lose - Town must lynch correctly or they lose
MyLo/Mislynch and Lose - If town mislynches they lose, but if they No Lynch the game continues
EBWOP - Edit By Way Of Post - Making another post with changes instead of editing a previous one
RQS - Random Question Stage, a common way to start games where one player puts forth a survey of questions for every player to answer
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY) - The dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one

General Mafia Rules

1. Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from this mafia. You are allowed one death post that contains no information or commentary about the players.
2. You are not allowed to edit or remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means you may post again with the correct fixes.
3. Directly quoting or providing proof in any way of any PM sent by the host will result in an instant modkill and referral to the FGO. Do not talk about any PMs that you have or have not been sent by the host.
4. You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host.
5. You are not allowed to request to be modkilled in the thread. If you PM the host requesting to be modkilled, the host must find a substitute or modkill you at the end of the phase.
6. All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed.
7. Breadcrumbs are allowed. Coded messages and hiding text in your post are not allowed.
8. Any flaming/trolling will not be tolerated.
9. Players' actions should be motivated by this game's events solely. You may look at past mafias to determine behaviors for better reads, but keep personal affairs out of the game.
10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense.
11. Players are not allowed to use formatting to intentionally make text hard to read, hide information by editing media before or after posting, change the contents of their signature or personal text in an attempt to affect the game, directly edit quotes by other players other than to add their own clearly indicated commentary, impersonate the host, or direct anyone toward information that would affect the game that is outside the confines of the thread, pads provided by the host, or PMs sent by the host.
12. If a player is suspected of attempting to use a loophole in the specific wording of the rules to violate the spirit of the rules, this will be dealt with on a case by case basis.
*Any use of the word PM by the host or FGO refers to any method of communication outside of the game thread and the public blab chat.

Breaking any of the above rules may result in a modkill as determined by the host, or a ban from future mafias or forum games in general as determined by the Forum Game Organizer.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on March 21, 2022, 04:57:27 pm
Signups have ended.

MasterWalks (1) - serprex

N0: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-78-by-serprex/msg1307087/#msg1307087
D1: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-78-by-serprex/msg1307131/#msg1307131
N1: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-78-by-serprex/msg1307206/#msg1307206
D2: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-78-by-serprex/msg1307216/#msg1307216
N2: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-78-by-serprex/msg1307338/#msg1307338
D3: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-78-by-serprex/msg1307358/#msg1307358
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: PlayerOa on March 21, 2022, 05:18:48 pm
Well, if we somehow gather enough people going to make this a thing... I sure as hell won't miss out on it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on March 21, 2022, 05:29:22 pm
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on March 21, 2022, 05:31:01 pm
Also:
MasterWalks (2) serprex, Mobian
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: PlayerOa on March 21, 2022, 06:07:09 pm
serprex threatened to ban me from a dead forum if I didn't follow up the memes, so here goes:

MasterWalks (3) - serprex, Mobian, PlayerOa
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on March 21, 2022, 09:56:25 pm
 :o
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on March 22, 2022, 03:30:40 am
.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on March 22, 2022, 09:51:24 pm
Tentatively in
Out
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: worldwideweb3 on March 23, 2022, 09:53:20 pm
in
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on March 26, 2022, 09:11:04 pm
MasterWalks (3) - serprex, Mobian, PlayerOa
No Lynch (1) kaempfer13

Need all the players we can get
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on March 26, 2022, 11:01:45 pm
MasterWalks (3) - serprex, Mobian, PlayerOa
No Lynch (1) kaempfer13

Need all the players we can get

<3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on March 27, 2022, 12:29:43 am
MasterWalks (3) - serprex, Mobian, PlayerOa
No Lynch (1) kaempfer13
MasterWalks (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on March 29, 2022, 08:37:37 pm
Vote kaemp, he's trying to save his buddy MW
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on March 29, 2022, 09:26:22 pm
I have word this may be a bastard mod game.

Guys, I think a sign up lynch will be a real lynch  :'(

@shock, you're the most strategically adept person on this sign up, do we no lynch?
Personally I say we lynch Link. Serp gonna need the help  :silly:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on March 30, 2022, 10:34:41 pm
I don't negotiate with noobs.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on March 31, 2022, 12:41:14 am
I don't negotiate with noobs.

Kiddo, I won the last game, even after being abandoned by my teammate. I won the last war too. Run your little word game again and I'll win that.
Do you see noob in my name anymore? Nah cuh, I've grown.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on March 31, 2022, 05:36:22 am
I'll join! Will be more active this time around

MasterWalks (3) - serprex, Mobian, PlayerOa
No Lynch (1) kaempfer13
MasterWalks (1) - Linkcat
Antagon (1) - RootRanger
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on March 31, 2022, 08:04:50 pm
It began upon the following occasion

It is allowed on all hands, that the primitive way of breaking eggs before we eat them, was upon the larger end: but his present Majesty's grandfather, while he was a boy, going to eat an egg, and breaking it according to the ancient practice, happened to cut one of his fingers. Whereupon the Emperor his father published an edict, commanding all his subjects, upon great penalties, to break the smaller end of their eggs

The people so highly resented this law, that our Histories tell us there have been six rebellions raised on that account, wherein one Emperor lost his life, and another his crown. These civil commotions were constantly formented by the monarchs of Blefuscu, and when they were quelled, the exiles always fled for refuge to that Empire

It is computed, that eleven thousand persons have, at several times, suffered death, rather than submit to break their eggs at the smaller end. Many hundred large volumes have been published upon this controversy: but the books of the Big-Endians have been long forbidden, and the whole party rendered incapable by law of holding employments

During the course of these troubles, the emperors of Blefuscu did frequently expostulate by their ambassadors, accusing us of making a schism in religion, by offending against a fundamental doctrine of our great prophet Lustrog, in the fifty-fourth chapter of the Brundecral (which is their Alcoran). This, however, is thought to be a mere strain upon the text: for their words are these; That all true believers shall break their eggs at the convenient end: and which is the convenient end, seems, in my humble opinion, to be left to every man's conscience, or at least in the power of the chief magistrate to determine

There are two cults, each with a leader

Each night, town members may target a player, alive or dead. They will be informed whether that player is a cultist or not (NB this check occurs before the night phase's conversions). If the target is a leader then they'll be read as town

Each night, leaders may target a player. If the target is a leader, the action fizzles. If the target is a cultist, the target dies. Otherwise the target is recruited. No confirmation is sent

When a player is recruited they will only be told which end they've decided to crack eggs from here on out

There is no scumpad. All players are barred from any communication re game outside this thread

Town wins when both cult leaders die

Cults win when they've eliminated all players not part of their cult

In case of a No Lynch vote, a random player will be lynched

Roles are not revealed upon death

Night 0 has ended.

(I'll send roles out once sign ups deadline is past)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: cool64kid on March 31, 2022, 09:30:15 pm
I wanna sign up :eyes:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on March 31, 2022, 10:00:40 pm
I wanna sign up :eyes:

You're in. Sorry Oa & Mobian, looks like you won't be the cult leaders (or at least, not unless RNG decides it really wants you to tell people how to crack their eggs..)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 01, 2022, 12:31:10 am
Roles sent. If you didn't receive a PM from me then you're a cop

That's right, E I G H T C O P S. Don't bother sending me in targets this night, I won't reply, you'll only get back T O W N I E S C U M anyways

But cult leaders do send in your recruits in time because like that's kind of important for you to do C O N S I S T E N T L Y

PS y'all are awful leaving MasterWalks out like that, but since he made more effort to defend himself than you made to lynch him, I'm going to let him live to D1 for y'all to L O C K I N T H O S E V O T E S

Wow great idea: anyone can end their post with "Locking in my vote" for that vote to be final. After that their vote cannot change. This will allow them to guarantee to the rest of the group what their choice is, so no one will doubt them, thinking that they're up to the usual wagonomic bullshit y'all tend to drag out til the last second
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 12:44:36 am
8 cops boys. I say we all just blind fire into the crowd. If the game isn't over by that time, we've greatly reduced possible scum.

With 10 participants or whatever, I didn't actually read rules/signups, we should probably No Lynch for now then bang bang bang tomorrow night
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 12:45:04 am
Also, only reply/agree with me if you're town. If your scum, go ahead and disagree
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 01, 2022, 12:47:29 am
I mean, kind of a scum move to try to force the rest of us into a binary decision. Sounds almost.... cultish.....
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 12:50:54 am
I mean, kind of a scum move to try to force the rest of us into a binary decision. Sounds almost.... cultish.....

Lol, is there another option? Shoot or don't shoot. It's all 1s and 0s. You can try to be non-binary if ya want, I can't tell you what to do. If you holster you're either bad scum or worse town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 01, 2022, 12:52:50 am
I mean, kind of a scum move to try to force the rest of us into a binary decision. Sounds almost.... cultish.....

Lol, is there another option? Shoot or don't shoot. It's all 1s and 0s. You can try to be non-binary if ya want, I can't tell you what to do. If you holster you're either bad scum or worse town.

There's no point in targeting on Night 0 because ALL targets will ready town. Just chillax and try having a civil discussion.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 01, 2022, 12:53:30 am
EBWOP:
All targets will read as town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 12:57:04 am
They will always be read as town. N0 or N5. Better to bang tonight and maybe town wins.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 01:02:53 am
Living Players since serp is butthead and won't post it.

1.MasterWalks
2. Mobile
3.Ze Kaempfer
4.worldwidewebqq
5. ShrekCannon
6.Andre
7.Linkcat uwu
8. BootBanger
9. Kool64Kid
10. PlayedOa
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: PlayerOa on April 01, 2022, 08:17:42 am
I'll let you know I'm on a trip to Italy the next week, so don't really expect much input from me. I will make sure to check in from time to time, though.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 01, 2022, 01:16:08 pm
Gather round everyone!

I, kaempfer, 13th of my line, had an epiphany!

The question of the egg cracking has caused us much grief and cost lives.

Lamenting the dead, I turned to the writings for an answer. As you know Brundecral 54 states "That all true believers shall break their eggs at the convenient end", yet many wise men before me failed to determine with certainty what the convenient end is.

None the wiser, I begged the gods for an answer and offered an egg sacrifice.

For this I formed a nest out of 2 bundles of straw on the north side of my house and placed an egg in its center. I placed both of my feet in front and carefully lowered my behind, warming the egg between my cheeks. Each time a neighbour would pass by I would cluck at them and turn the egg.

As the sun went down, i finally got up and set fire to the nest, so that the gods would enjoy it.

Then suddenly, the egg would crack down the middle and lightning struck me.

The spirit  of our great prophet Lustrog appeared before me. He said to me: "Go forth and tell your people: The convenient end of the egg is not either of the physical ends. It is its end of existence. Thus the most convenient end of the egg is the one where the shell does not mix with its contents and both the yolk as well as the egg white can be fully enjoyed".

When I came to I saw 2 halfs of the eggshell perfectly separated and a perfectly fried egg inbetween. It was delicious.

I turn my back to the audience and undress my tunic, revealing a Lichtenberg figure following my spine perfectly.

This mark from the gods shows the proper way off cracking an egg!

Hear my words and remember them carefully: It is not the small end nor the big end that matters. It's about ending it rightly!


Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 01, 2022, 01:17:38 pm
EBWOP: stray should be straw obviously
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 01, 2022, 05:04:44 pm
Fixed it for you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 01, 2022, 05:06:01 pm
Also, only reply/agree with me if you're town. If your scum, go ahead and disagree

Nah, should be the other way around.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 01, 2022, 05:12:09 pm
I sleep for 18 hours and come back to an entire page of activity, really proud of you guys.

For the new guy, I'm sorry this is your first game lmao.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 01, 2022, 05:34:25 pm
Fixed it for you.

Don't abuse your powers being so uselessly helpful
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 01, 2022, 05:43:48 pm
What's the point of having power if you can't use it for good? It's the little things that truly matter in life.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 01, 2022, 06:19:18 pm
I crack my eggs middle out (more efficient)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 06:50:56 pm
@shock, plz dissect Kae's big ass post. There's something in that post and idk what it is.

@Mobian, you should tunnel on the Cool64Kid. Make them talk a lot so we can get a read on em.

@Timpa, post something so I can tunnel you
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 01, 2022, 07:49:12 pm
Wrt kae's post just read it lol, it's a pretty good addition to the lore. He's basically claiming civ which... shouldn't surprise anyone
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 01, 2022, 09:06:37 pm
@Mobian, you should tunnel on the Cool64Kid. Make them talk a lot so we can get a read on em.

He's clearly trying to fly under the radar, as scum tends to do.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 01, 2022, 09:33:55 pm
Anyways, as a truly civilized person, I do not condone the personal cracking of eggs at all! Nay, for I believe that all eggs must be purchased in carton form, for easy pouring onto the frying pan.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: worldwideweb3 on April 01, 2022, 09:48:17 pm
im a little confused by all this cult terminology. Is there 3 teams, town cult1 cult2?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 09:53:08 pm
Anyways, as a truly civilized person, I do not condone the personal cracking of eggs at all! Nay, for I believe that all eggs must be purchased in carton form, for easy pouring onto the frying pan.
Plz tell me this is an April Fool's joke. This is so so wrong. This is actually offensive.
You can't make eggs with yolk, wtf is the point then. Are you 5years old and only eat scrambled eggs?
You can't separate your whites from yolks for baking. You have to buy separate cartons for that. Consumerism at its finest.
You don't get egg shells for compost. I guess if your buying carton eggs, you don't care for freshness anyways.
You have little to no variety. Supposed to be farm fresh for fried eggs and industrial eggs for baking. All you get is industrial.
Hard boiled eggs? Poached eggs? Over easy? Hollandaise sauce? You miss out on so much goodness, might as well just go vegan...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 01, 2022, 10:07:53 pm
Anyways, as a truly civilized person, I do not condone the personal cracking of eggs at all! Nay, for I believe that all eggs must be purchased in carton form, for easy pouring onto the frying pan.

So you just slam in the frying pan as is? And hope for gravity or heat to do the job of opening it for you? Not that i would be in a position to criticize you for trying the latter  :P

I think I realized what type of carton you are talking about. I first thought you meant an egg carton with 4 to 10 complete eggs neatly lined up. But I know that in industrial use they use mixes of the contents of eggs, probably mostly to make use of the many eggs whose shell gets damaged during transport (or to preempt the issue). Is that stuff sold in convenience stores somewhere?
Personally, I would be suspicous of its storage life and risk of contamination, but maybe this is just because i'm not used to it.

@w3 yh, 2 cults and anyone thats not recruited in either is town. Starting next night, unrecruited people can check for any one player if they had been recruited on previous nights (leaders cant be recruited and cultists lose the ability). Interestingly, cultists dont actually know who their leader is. Also there is no death flip (other than informing everyone that the person of unknown alignement did in fact die and can no longer participate and an ending announcement when a win condition was met (no leaders alive or all alive players in the cult)). And yh, your win condition can take a 180°, provided you started as town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 01, 2022, 10:27:19 pm
(https://everything-food.imgix.net/FoodItemImages/1145095.jpg)
Can be kept in freezer for extra shelf life
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 01, 2022, 10:34:51 pm
I have two confessions to make.

First, I haven't read my role pm yet. (for obvious reasons)

Second, I don't actually like eating eggs by themselves.

If you choose to lynch me for these heresies, I will humbly accept my fate.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 10:36:32 pm
Lmao. You gotta PM? 90% sure that means you a cultist. 8 people didn't get pms... because they're town cops
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 01, 2022, 10:38:39 pm
I have two confessions to make.

First, I haven't read my role pm yet. (for obvious reasons)

Second, I don't actually like eating eggs by themselves.

If you choose to lynch me for these heresies, I will humbly accept my fate.

I guess we know who one of the cult leaders is.... Only leaders got PMs, after all.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 01, 2022, 10:56:54 pm
@Timpa, post something so I can tunnel you

u stink lol
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 11:05:19 pm
@Timpa, post something so I can tunnel you

u stink lol

Too late. Already tunneling Linkcat. Get back to me next night and i might find a tunnel for ya.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 01, 2022, 11:32:12 pm
So this was supposed to be a joke where the "obvious reasons" were that I didn't get one, and then I would pretend that I actually did get one and the "obvious reasons" were that I wasn't taking the game seriously and would troll at every opportunity, but I guess I expected too much from this lot.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 01, 2022, 11:33:20 pm
Now I'm just never going to read this out of spite.

(https://gyazo.com/594c4049769cc1d10c536bfc5975fdc3.png)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 01, 2022, 11:33:58 pm
@serp Does the cop ability tells you which cult someone is in?

I didn't though too deeply, but it seems the best strategy for town is to not lynch people we know are cultists, since we want to hit the leaders.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 01, 2022, 11:35:32 pm
@Link sounds like something a cult leader would say :silly:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 01, 2022, 11:46:11 pm
So this was supposed to be a joke where the "obvious reasons" were that I didn't get one, and then I would pretend that I actually did get one and the "obvious reasons" were that I wasn't taking the game seriously and would troll at every opportunity, but I guess I expected too much from this lot.
You do yoga? Cuz that's stretching for something.

The "obvious reasons" is the meme of not reading role/alignment to play town better. We know this. I was actually willing to believe it was a meme... but then you prove you gotta PM in picture form.
Playing oblivious is my thing. I was born in it, moulded by it. You're merely impersonating the idea of oblivious town/scum.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 01, 2022, 11:51:13 pm
Not a yoga guy myself, but I am tempted to see how far I can stretch my foot up your ass.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 01, 2022, 11:55:58 pm
@serp Does the cop ability tells you which cult someone is in?

No. You're all very bad cops, good detective work is for scrubs. Who can even tell big end from little end? Only a cultist would care about that sort of oology geek trivia
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 02, 2022, 12:00:31 am
I mean we've got MW here who thinks being a cop is shoot first ask questions later. You're a disgrace to this department and that badge on your chest
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 02, 2022, 12:06:10 am
Serp flexing his Canadian privilege smh
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 02, 2022, 12:07:07 am
Day 1

What's this? No night kill? Finally a town with enough cops to keep out any mafia

But peace comes at a cost: lynching is mandatory. Just because there's no scum doesn't mean there's no one worth getting rid of

& I didn't specify rules for tied votes: in the case of a tied vote, it's interpreted as a No Lynch vote, so off to The Lottery (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1948/06/26/the-lottery) for all y'all

Day 1 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 12:13:50 am
Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian

Quiet people are always sus.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 12:14:23 am
Now I'm just never going to read this out of spite.

(https://gyazo.com/594c4049769cc1d10c536bfc5975fdc3.png)
Is this even legal?
So let me get this straight, you actually had received a pm on the day a game started where the role may require (in order to not throw) to open your inbox within the first (rl) day and never read it?

Its been to long that ive used my inbox without immediately reading everything, is it even possible to open the inbox and have pms marked as unread after?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 12:23:53 am
Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (1) - MasterWalks

My degree in wagonomics says to start a wagon on 2 low posters. C'mon folks, hop in either one, same destination.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 02, 2022, 12:25:40 am
Now I'm just never going to read this out of spite.

(https://gyazo.com/594c4049769cc1d10c536bfc5975fdc3.png)
Is this even legal?
So let me get this straight, you actually had received a pm on the day a game started where the role may require (in order to not throw) to open your inbox within the first (rl) day and never read it?

Its been to long that ive used my inbox without immediately reading everything, is it even possible to open the inbox and have pms marked as unread after?

1. Idk, probably not.

2. Of course I sent in a target for each possible role, I can still do that without checking my inbox.

3. No, but after I asked Naii to send me a pm I freaked out a little when I saw his name above the thread. Lucky for me he rescinded his signup.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 12:26:53 am
One of those eggheads is dying of dysentery.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 12:27:50 am
Hol up. No NK? Damn Link, that's some 4d chess.

Either Link is smart and didn't NK while he's got heat on him, or he is like me and didn't realize phases are only 24 hours.

Other option is Coolkid and Oa are scum. Coolkid seems inactive and Oa is invading Italy. Could replace one of those names with shock or RootRanger for same results.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 02, 2022, 12:32:40 am
Updated D1 post with a countdown

Day phase is 48 hours. 5 players can agree to ending day early

Night phase is 24 hours
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 12:33:41 am
mw, i suggest you read the rules. Only ways to actually die is to be recruited twice or lynched. Your goals throughout the game may shift though.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 12:34:26 am
Updated D1 post with a countdown

Day phase is 48 hours. 5 players can agree to ending day early

Night phase is 24 hours

Upon the 5th person's agreement, does everything lock in and wait for your tally?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 12:35:13 am
mw, i suggest you read the rules. Only ways to actually die is to be recruited twice or lynched. Your goals throughout the game may shift though.

Cult leaders can also kill each other. There was a chance of that happening too.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 12:38:51 am
I'll leave lynchedcat alone for now. The closest i can come to a logical explanation is him really not wanting to be recruited into a cult at all cost or just gross incompetence. Simply assuming the latter when all explanations are unsatisfactory didn't work out so well the last time I did that.

@mobian no they cant?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 02, 2022, 12:38:51 am
Updated D1 post with a countdown

Day phase is 48 hours. 5 players can agree to ending day early

Night phase is 24 hours

Upon the 5th person's agreement, does everything lock in and wait for your tally?

You know, that'd be a broken way to avoid a split vote. & I was considering reducing to 24h, but then it gets weird with people voting shortly before 24h & stuff.. blah

5 is enough for next day phase to be 24 hours. 6 is required to end the current day phase, which is effective immediately

So you can now vote on 3 things: who to lynch (first past the post), whether to have next day phase be 24h or 48h (>=50% to get through), & whether to end current day immediately (>50% to get through)

I may add changing deadline time in future, but for now I'm sticking with UTC supremacy
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 12:39:52 am
mw, i suggest you read the rules. Only ways to actually die is to be recruited twice or lynched. Your goals throughout the game may shift though.

Cult leaders can also kill each other. There was a chance of that happening too.

EBWOP:

I was wrong, I misread the ability text. Ignore that line.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 02, 2022, 12:41:38 am
mw, i suggest you read the rules. Only ways to actually die is to be recruited twice or lynched. Your goals throughout the game may shift though.

Cult leaders can also kill each other. There was a chance of that happening too.

-snip-

@Mobian no they cant?

Cult leaders can only die by being lynched. Attempting to convert a cult leader fizzles, ie does nothing https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Fizzle
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 12:49:20 am
Hol up. No NK? Damn Link, that's some 4d chess.

Either Link is smart and didn't NK while he's got heat on him, or he is like me and didn't realize phases are only 24 hours.

Other option is Coolkid and Oa are scum. Coolkid seems inactive and Oa is invading Italy. Could replace one of those names with shock or RootRanger for same results.
WRT vote: So when you are this convinced that link is scum, why are you not voting him and also encouraging people to jump on other wagons?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 02, 2022, 12:55:17 am
Kaempfer still salty about my optimal usage of the Anubis role. I do actually want to be converted though, gives a higher chance of winning. Oa, you got me N1 right?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 12:55:32 am
Hol up. No NK? Damn Link, that's some 4d chess.

Either Link is smart and didn't NK while he's got heat on him, or he is like me and didn't realize phases are only 24 hours.

Other option is Coolkid and Oa are scum. Coolkid seems inactive and Oa is invading Italy. Could replace one of those names with shock or RootRanger for same results.
WRT vote: So when you are this convinced that link is scum, why are you not voting him and also encouraging people to jump on other wagons?

I was about to post how I wasn't sure if NK was even a thing before you told me to read the rules. I deleted the draft and went to read the rules in shame.

Link is an easy lynch right now. In fact, he's really the only one that anyone can fully scumread since no one got information last night. I'm voting root because he's a low poster and I want to apply pressure. I'm sure Mobian is voting CoolKid for the same reason. The other people I name dropped are also low posters, and the only one with an excuse is Oa. Im wanting to start a wagon on any of these people to get them to talk. Most likely, we lynch Linkcat today no matter what.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 01:01:35 am
MW does speak truth in my motivations... Plus, it's not like we can't all focus in on Linkcat later on in the day cycle.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 02, 2022, 01:19:52 am
I was about to post how I wasn't sure if NK was even a thing before you told me to read the rules. I deleted the draft and went to read the rules in shame.

Link is an easy lynch right now. In fact, he's really the only one that anyone can fully scumread since no one got information last night. I'm voting root because he's a low poster and I want to apply pressure. I'm sure Mobian is voting CoolKid for the same reason. The other people I name dropped are also low posters, and the only one with an excuse is Oa. Im wanting to start a wagon on any of these people to get them to talk. Most likely, we lynch Linkcat today no matter what.

Post count or not, the only real contribution so far has been from andre. And he wasn't even digging too deeply.

For everyone else, here's a chance to offer your thoughts on real strategy. I'll give an easy question and a hard one. Interested in seeing what people to have to say.

1. How many cultists do you think currently exist? What is your level of certainty in your answer?
2. Let's say you find a cultist in Night 1. Do you lynch them the next day or choose someone else? Do you reveal this information at all?

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 02, 2022, 01:38:56 am
1. Between 2-4, I'm like 80% sure.
2. Doesn't matter, I'm lynching you either way.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 01:46:11 am

Post count or not, the only real contribution so far has been from andre. And he wasn't even digging too deeply.

For everyone else, here's a chance to offer your thoughts on real strategy. I'll give an easy question and a hard one. Interested in seeing what people to have to say.

1. How many cultists do you think currently exist? What is your level of certainty in your answer?
2. Let's say you find a cultist in Night 1. Do you lynch them the next day or choose someone else? Do you reveal this information at all?

1: Anywhere between 2 and 4.  Remember that only Leaders can recruit, and they can only target one person a night, and if they hit a regular cultist, that cultist will die. SO! For N0, the cult leaders ran the risk of targeting each other, in the event their recruitment efforts failed.
2: If I found a cultist during my nightly search, I'd totes rat them out and let them burn.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 02, 2022, 01:46:54 am
Are there roles? Like wtf is happening this game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 02, 2022, 01:50:20 am
Are there roles? Like wtf is happening this game.

Yes

The reason Linkcat felt sorry for cool64kid is that given the deadline for sign ups being April 1st I hatched the idea for a rather troll format. So as to wtf is happening this game.. lolol
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 01:50:34 am
Are there roles? Like wtf is happening this game.

In the event you're not trolling, I'll re-explain. There are 3 factions in this game. Small end Cult, Big End Cult, and Town. The Cults start the game with only their respective leaders. Everyone else starts as town. All townies are cops. Every night Cult  Leaders can target a player to attempt to recruit them. In the event they choose a cultist, that cultist dies. If you become a cultist, you lose cop abilities. Cult Leaders can only be killed via lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 02, 2022, 01:50:45 am
Are there roles? Like wtf is happening this game.

All townies are cops. This is game is chaos. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 01:54:02 am
2-4 is literally the only answer (pretty sure that was a link shitpost). 2 leaders guarantee, 0-2 people recruited. I'll say 3, an active leader and an inactive one.

Early game I don't think we lynch cultists. Maybe later to avoid them becoming majority, but if you find one, you run the risk of getting recruited before you can share it. I think it would be wise to lynch Mafia vets, but no reason to lynch a CoolKid cultist, or a w3 cultist.

By my math, which is terrible, scum have a giant advantage right now. We can only lynch 1 person at a time, they can recruit 2 at a time. If they recruited 2 last night, we lynch a town, and they recruit 2 more, we lose.

Tldr: if they recruited 2 cultist last night, pretty sure it's lylo right now
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 01:55:31 am
Ok so not lylo since it's not a majority thing, but we're in a bad bad spot if that scenario does play out
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 02, 2022, 01:55:40 am
1. How many cultists do you think currently exist? What is your level of certainty in your answer?
2. Let's say you find a cultist in Night 1. Do you lynch them the next day or choose someone else? Do you reveal this information at all?

1. I think both leaders used their abilities and odds of none of them hitting each other is pretty good, so I'd say 4 with good confidence.
2. I think the best play is to reveal the info and not lynch them (let the rival leader kill them in N2 if they want). I'm open to arguments against this tho.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 01:57:29 am
1. How many cultists do you think currently exist? What is your level of certainty in your answer?
2. Let's say you find a cultist in Night 1. Do you lynch them the next day or choose someone else? Do you reveal this information at all?

1. I think both leaders used their abilities and odds of none of them hitting each other is pretty good, so I'd say 4 with good confidence.
2. I think the best play is to reveal the info and not lynch them (let the rival leader kill them in N2 if they want). I'm open to arguments against this tho.

This could actually be a solid play for town. Just sit back and let the warring factions handle the dirty work.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 01:58:00 am

For everyone else, here's a chance to offer your thoughts on real strategy. I'll give an easy question and a hard one. Interested in seeing what people to have to say.

1. How many cultists do you think currently exist? What is your level of certainty in your answer?
2. Let's say you find a cultist in Night 1. Do you lynch them the next day or choose someone else? Do you reveal this information at all?

1. Noone died, so I take it that no crosstream occured (technically the rules didnt explicitly make clear what happens in a crosstream as opposed to nonsimultaneous recruitment). This leaves only holstering and targeting the other leader (2 1/9 chances) for having less than 2 (new cultists), so about 77% (rounding down where I should round up because of holstering and inactivity).
2. Town is not interested in seeing cultists lynched, in fact they are the only way to confirm that someone is not a leader. The reveal part is much more tricky, as we want leaders to cross streams, but also avoid wasting a lynch. Currently leaning towards claiming result only as lynch is imminent (to protect them, crazy, i know).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 02, 2022, 01:58:30 am
@MW You also need to take into account that the 2 cults are rivals. They still have to eliminate each other to win and even if the whole town gets overrun by cultists, the game is not over.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 02:00:02 am
@MW You also need to take into account that the 2 cults are rivals. They still have to eliminate each other to win and even if the whole town gets overrun by cultists, the game is not over.

Oh no I get that, but the goal as town is to win as town. I don't want to win as a pleb cultist
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 02, 2022, 02:03:04 am
To clarify crossed streams: the target dies a townie
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 02, 2022, 02:04:24 am
To clarify crossed streams: the target dies a townie

Does it make a difference?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 02:07:36 am
To clarify crossed streams: the target dies a townie

Does it make a difference?

Not really, if someone dies in the night they were recruited twice, only lynch targets are worth considering investigating amongst the dead at all (in fact even that doesnt help as far as I can see)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 02, 2022, 03:19:30 am

For everyone else, here's a chance to offer your thoughts on real strategy. I'll give an easy question and a hard one. Interested in seeing what people to have to say.

1. How many cultists do you think currently exist? What is your level of certainty in your answer?
2. Let's say you find a cultist in Night 1. Do you lynch them the next day or choose someone else? Do you reveal this information at all?

1. Noone died, so I take it that no crosstream occured (technically the rules didnt explicitly make clear what happens in a crosstream as opposed to nonsimultaneous recruitment). This leaves only holstering and targeting the other leader (2 1/9 chances) for having less than 2 (new cultists), so about 77% (rounding down where I should round up because of holstering and inactivity).
2. Town is not interested in seeing cultists lynched, in fact they are the only way to confirm that someone is not a leader. The reveal part is much more tricky, as we want leaders to cross streams, but also avoid wasting a lynch. Currently leaning towards claiming result only as lynch is imminent (to protect them, crazy, i know).
BMs are red,
TOs are blue.
From a certain point of view,
Big if true.

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (1) - MasterWalks
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 04:02:52 am
Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks

q.q
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 02, 2022, 04:21:44 am
put my vote on no lynch
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 02, 2022, 04:38:34 am
You want a random person to die??
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 02, 2022, 05:23:26 am
kae and andre have the best responses. I'm weighing the option of reveal-but-not-lynch (RBNL?). I think it depends on the style of the leaders themselves - whether they would target a known member of the rival cult, or try to recruit a new member. Also depends on whether they are more afraid of the other cult or the civs. Maybe the latter in the early game and the former in the late? Open to thoughts from others.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: PlayerOa on April 02, 2022, 06:07:35 am
Kaempfer still salty about my optimal usage of the Anubis role. I do actually want to be converted though, gives a higher chance of winning. Oa, you got me N1 right?
Got yo back.

MW, there’s no need to vote pressure me into speaking more - I’ll be posting just as much as time allows me to. Which happens to be a bare minimum. You better lynch me instead if you dislike that.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 05:03:56 pm
Kaempfer still salty about my optimal usage of the Anubis role. I do actually want to be converted though, gives a higher chance of winning. Oa, you got me N1 right?
Got yo back.

MW, there’s no need to vote pressure me into speaking more - I’ll be posting just as much as time allows me to. Which happens to be a bare minimum. You better lynch me instead if you dislike that.
?
I said you're invading Italy so you have an excuse. No need to pressure you... Unless you want me to?
I'd rather pressure w3. I'm starting to get worried new guy is inactive so better to wait for modkill then waste time on pressure.
Shock is a possible pressure, and I don't think he's as clueless as he's trying to sound but shock is way more fun to pressure late game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 05:09:16 pm
Also, only reply/agree with me if you're town. If your scum, go ahead and disagree

I mean, kind of a scum move to try to force the rest of us into a binary decision. Sounds almost.... cultish.....

Omg. This could be Mobian breadcrumbing he was going to recruit MW.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 05:16:05 pm
reads
town for now (not leaders)
timpa
Rootranger


nothing to go off
cool64kid
w3
Oa

idfk
lynchedcat

Cultist
MW

Leader
Mobian

honorable category:
wtf
Linkcat
MW
shock



Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 05:17:06 pm
I forgot: shock is also not a leader :P
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 05:24:22 pm
@kae explain your RootRanger read plz. I'm getting big scum reads on him
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 05:39:12 pm
@serp Does the cop ability tells you which cult someone is in?

I didn't though too deeply, but it seems the best strategy for town is to not lynch people we know are cultists, since we want to hit the leaders.

I was about to post how I wasn't sure if NK was even a thing before you told me to read the rules. I deleted the draft and went to read the rules in shame.

Link is an easy lynch right now. In fact, he's really the only one that anyone can fully scumread since no one got information last night. I'm voting root because he's a low poster and I want to apply pressure. I'm sure Mobian is voting CoolKid for the same reason. The other people I name dropped are also low posters, and the only one with an excuse is Oa. Im wanting to start a wagon on any of these people to get them to talk. Most likely, we lynch Linkcat today no matter what.

Post count or not, the only real contribution so far has been from andre. And he wasn't even digging too deeply.

For everyone else, here's a chance to offer your thoughts on real strategy. I'll give an easy question and a hard one. Interested in seeing what people to have to say.

1. How many cultists do you think currently exist? What is your level of certainty in your answer?
2. Let's say you find a cultist in Night 1. Do you lynch them the next day or choose someone else? Do you reveal this information at all?
RR generally focusses on mechanics when attempting to solve, which he does here (and when evaluating responses later). keeping in mind his approval of timpas post, especially his 2nd question is important for both probing for reactions and later agree on the best plan for cops with their wincon in mind (which he would want to keep to a minimum if he were in a cult).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 02, 2022, 05:48:08 pm
I'll give a better breakdown when I'm off work in 4 hours or so, but the just of my scumread on him:
He's playing judge on people's post. He keeps claiming x person is making good posts, without actually making a helpful one himself. He's sitting back, getting just enough posts to not get heat for inactivity but isn't saying much. The post you quoted with his 2 questions is the only legitimate post he's made. The first question is dumb af. That's a burner question because the answer cannot be known and there's only 3 options for answers.
The second question has started good discussion on what town should do, but tbh I'm reading more as he wants to know what town will do. If he's leader, and we agreed that we will expose a cultist on discovery, he could totally doc himself one day by exposing his own cultist. He's my biggest natural scumread, where as Link is the biggest most possible scumread due to obvious reasons. At this stage, I'm willing to bet leaders are Link and Root. I have no reads for cultists but I don't think cultists matter yet.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 02, 2022, 06:11:21 pm
Root can't be leader, I recruited him last night.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: worldwideweb3 on April 02, 2022, 06:43:25 pm
Root can't be leader, I recruited him last night.

liar
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: worldwideweb3 on April 02, 2022, 06:44:54 pm
i obvs dont have much time like most others. Town win when cult leaders die right?

Linkcat (1) - www3

:)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 02, 2022, 07:35:35 pm
okay i read my inbox. it appears i've been recruited.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 02, 2022, 07:36:18 pm
is there a way to be unrecruited? or once recruited you can no longer go back to town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 02, 2022, 07:42:56 pm
I'll give a better breakdown when I'm off work in 4 hours or so, but the just of my scumread on him:
He's playing judge on people's post. He keeps claiming x person is making good posts, without actually making a helpful one himself. He's sitting back, getting just enough posts to not get heat for inactivity but isn't saying much. The post you quoted with his 2 questions is the only legitimate post he's made. The first question is dumb af. That's a burner question because the answer cannot be known and there's only 3 options for answers.
The second question has started good discussion on what town should do, but tbh I'm reading more as he wants to know what town will do. If he's leader, and we agreed that we will expose a cultist on discovery, he could totally doc himself one day by exposing his own cultist. He's my biggest natural scumread, where as Link is the biggest most possible scumread due to obvious reasons. At this stage, I'm willing to bet leaders are Link and Root. I have no reads for cultists but I don't think cultists matter yet.

Isn't saying much? I got the ball rolling on actual strategic discussion. Prior to that, a prevailing strategy (aside from andre's post) was "No lynch for now then bang bang bang tomorrow night". Most of the remaining discussion was just eggposting.

The point of question 1 was to make sure everyone is paying attention and knows probability. The correct answer is 2 cultists, with approximately 75-80% certainty under perfect activity. Note that 2 is the upper bound, rather than 4, because cultists are different from cult leaders. An important distinction, since leaders are not revealed as cultists by the cop targeting. Leaders also need to be lynched in order to win, whereas lynching cultists is optional.

As for question 2, would you prefer we just... don't discuss strategy? Go back to the plan of no lynch and let serprex role the dice?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 02, 2022, 07:51:51 pm
Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) worldwideweb3
Mobian (1) kaempfer13
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 02, 2022, 08:17:07 pm
is there a way to be unrecruited? or once recruited you can no longer go back to town.

Huis clos. Once you start cracking eggs a particular way there's no going back
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 03, 2022, 12:52:42 am
The second question has started good discussion on what town should do, but tbh I'm reading more as he wants to know what town will do. If he's leader, and we agreed that we will expose a cultist on discovery, he could totally doc himself one day by exposing his own cultist. He's my biggest natural scumread, where as Link is the biggest most possible scumread due to obvious reasons. At this stage, I'm willing to bet leaders are Link and Root. I have no reads for cultists but I don't think cultists matter yet.

Claiming a cop result should in no way be a confirmation that you are a townie (and hence not a leader), since people lie on the internet and there are no flips this game (totally not a bastard).

After thinking a bit more I think we should weight down the possible value of trying to cross the results of everyone's ability uses and on which point of the game these results should be revealed: maybe doing that with just one ability use is too easy for the cults to play around, but time is also not on town's side


Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 03, 2022, 01:49:17 am
Claiming a cop result should in no way be a confirmation that you are a townie (and hence not a leader), since people lie on the internet and there are no flips this game (totally not a bastard).

After thinking a bit more I think we should weight down the possible value of trying to cross the results of everyone's ability uses and on which point of the game these results should be revealed: maybe doing that with just one ability use is too easy for the cults to play around, but time is also not on town's side
Not sure what you mean exactly? Investigation is absolutely a vital tool. The ideal scenario is to have multiple players in disagreement about an investigation result, such that we'll know one of them is lying (and likely a leader).

Anyways, we're just past the halfway mark for Day 1, so here's my current vote.

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - worldwideweb3
Mobian (2) - kaempfer13, RootRanger
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 03, 2022, 02:47:25 am
Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Mobian (2) - kaempfer13, RootRanger

RootRanger breakdown still coming. Got busy and tipsy tho. Busy af tomorrow dunno if I'll be around for deadline. Dropping my vote now jic.
FYI, I don't think Mobian is leader. I haven't been recruited, I believe he would've recruited me or link first, and link is leader so no way. And if shock is to be believed, we all know he didn't recruit shock
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 03, 2022, 04:01:36 am
If you're my cult leader put a :fire emblem at the end of your next post so I know not to vote you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 03, 2022, 04:04:15 am
Claiming a cop result should in no way be a confirmation that you are a townie (and hence not a leader), since people lie on the internet and there are no flips this game (totally not a bastard).

After thinking a bit more I think we should weight down the possible value of trying to cross the results of everyone's ability uses and on which point of the game these results should be revealed: maybe doing that with just one ability use is too easy for the cults to play around, but time is also not on town's side
Not sure what you mean exactly? Investigation is absolutely a vital tool. The ideal scenario is to have multiple players in disagreement about an investigation result, such that we'll know one of them is lying (and likely a leader).

Being more precise I was thinking of one of 3 strategies:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: cool64kid on April 03, 2022, 04:33:16 am
Well, this game looks fun so far. Glad we're all having some fun discussions.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 03, 2022, 04:42:21 am
Well, this game looks fun so far. Glad we're all having some fun discussions.

Conf town
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 03, 2022, 05:01:29 am
Being more precise I was thinking of one of 3 strategies:
  • We reveal our targets and results all rounds, starting with the more suspicious players
  • Same thing but waiting more than one round
  • We reveal any cultists that we find right away and after 2? 3? rounds we reveal all targets starting with the most suspicious players
Sounds good, I was thinking along the lines of the first option. I think that if someone finds a cultist, that information should be revealed, although not necessarily immediately. Just as long as it's before the end of the day, to give the rival leader the chance to kill the cultist in the night phase.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 03, 2022, 08:43:44 am
If we reveal all our targets anyway we should coordinate to avoid crosstreams (e.g. taking mws signuplist and investigating one down, in future rounds obv a different pattern). An agreed order by suspicion for the reveal would further put leaders (and old cultists) on the spot.
There is some merit to having a second opinion on a claim ofc and by the time we have 2 results there may be 1 townie left...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 03, 2022, 09:30:45 pm
Under 3 hours left and the vote is still tied. Anyone else want to vote? Keep in mind that (if I'm understanding this correctly) a tied lynch results in someone random being lynched out of the whole group, not just the players with votes on them. Not the best option.

Not sure how I feel about avoiding cross-streams on purpose, since I think those are actually our best way of getting information (cross-stream involves players potentially disagreeing about the result, meaning one of them is a potential leader).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 03, 2022, 09:48:28 pm
A compulsory order for when we make reavealing mandatory still makes sense either way, though I am still not sure if it is smart to publish all results (or even enforceable in this community). But lets worry about that later, shock,Oa,timpa and coolkid need to cast votes and we have the night to discuss the other thing.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 03, 2022, 09:53:22 pm
Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Mobian (2) - kaempfer13, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 03, 2022, 10:11:15 pm
Oh wow so shock wasn't kidding when he said he was a cultist.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 03, 2022, 10:11:52 pm
shock, in this game "no lynch" is newspeak for completely random lynch (read rules). Even if your usual logic were correct, it doesnt apply here.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 03, 2022, 10:35:59 pm
Oh I understand very well what the rules are. I just trust the dice more than idiot townies. Also the odds here that random lynch kills a town is at least 50% which is optimal for me since I'm a cultist. Also means I don't have to vote on anyone and give information as to who my leader might be.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 03, 2022, 10:43:15 pm
If you think that random chance is better than voting someone else that consequently means you should selfvote
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 03, 2022, 11:28:13 pm
Almost forgot about the deadline. I've been getting more weird vibes from Mobian, but this is 100% gut feeling

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Mobian (3) - kaempfer13, RootRanger, andretimpa
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon

tho I feel shock will just tie the vote again
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 04, 2022, 12:03:13 am
"Haven't you got any eggshells?" Eddie wants to know. "Real coffee has eggshells in it. That was the way Ellen did it" (...)

"All I've got are these," I say, pointing to the glistening white shells I've split open on the edge of the pan

"Have to be dry," says Eddie derisively. "You save em. Let em dry in the warming oven. & they have to be brown, only eggs from brown hens are good in coffee. You dry em & crumble em & toss a handful in with the grounds, & you watch em boil, & roll around in the pot"

Night 1 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 04, 2022, 12:15:00 am
So Mobian is dead then?
Him just ragequitting when i identify him as scum is consistent with his previous game. Sorry mate! Does make me feel fairly confident though, especially if MW turns up cultist (not like we would get a definitive reveal before game end   >:().
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 04, 2022, 02:52:42 am
So Mobian is dead then?
Him just ragequitting when i identify him as scum is consistent with his previous game. Sorry mate! Does make me feel fairly confident though, especially if MW turns up cultist (not like we would get a definitive reveal before game end   >:().

Target me tonight. I double dog dare u.

I'm finna target Root. If he comes up town, I'm voting him tomorrow. If he comes up cult I vote link.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 04, 2022, 03:45:48 am
Target me tonight. I double dog dare u.

I'm finna target Root. If he comes up town, I'm voting him tomorrow. If he comes up cult I vote link.
I hope you realize that by announcing your target publicly, you make it easier for the actual leaders to come up with fake claims that don't conflict with anyone else. Although if kae is correct, you're a cultist anyways, meaning you can't actually target anyone.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 04, 2022, 04:17:36 am
Kae got recruited by you or Link last night. Kae isn't playing for town. He was first night, but not after.

Idk who else got recruited, but I believe shock. Link would totally recruit shock for trolling, so I'm betting you recruited kae.
No harm in revealing my targets. No blocks this game, and scum can't pretend they know who I actually target since no investigation roles. I'm a free bird this game. I'll see how scum will react to my target announcement by seeing how you and link respond.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 04, 2022, 04:29:39 am
I'm surprised you're bothering with information abilities at all, considering you seem to already know everything. ::)

On a serious note, in the event that you're civ, the scum will react by not targeting the same person as you, such that they reduce their chance of colliding with another civ's target. You know, since that's how they would get found out.

In other words, the point is to have the leader's fake claim overlap with a real information from a civ, such that they can conflict. If the leaders know who the civs are targeting, they can just fake claim information about other players. Which is why I'm doing the smart thing by not announcing my target and should hope others do the same.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 04, 2022, 04:45:40 am
I'd even randomize who I'm targetting, but that's also my paranoia talking :silly:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 04, 2022, 05:06:44 am
This man really waited 3 years just to get lynched Day 1. (http://:fire)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: PlayerOa on April 04, 2022, 03:43:09 pm
More people have targeted Linkcat than I have

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparative_illusion
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 04, 2022, 07:55:16 pm
FWIW with flipless and people not knowing who they are (going to) be allied with

On the bright side, this all around confusion gives the horrible vote turnout an actual chance of hitting anyway. And also its not as much work as it ought to be :-\

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (1) - MasterWalks

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (1) - MasterWalks
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) worldwideweb3
Mobian (1) kaempfer13

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - worldwideweb3
Mobian (2) - kaempfer13, RootRanger

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Mobian (2) - kaempfer13, RootRanger

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Mobian (2) - kaempfer13, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Mobian (3) - kaempfer13, RootRanger, andretimpa
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 05, 2022, 12:13:26 am
https://martinascarpelli.com/egg-2

Day 2 has ended.

worldwideweb3's head was found in a squirrel's nest this morning. Police are still looking for the body
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 12:17:30 am
Damn, that makes it extremely unlikely I was right, but at least there is still a maximum of  just 2 alive cultists.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 05, 2022, 12:19:36 am
The one time w3 doesn't ask for a doc :silly:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 12:20:34 am

For everyone else, here's a chance to offer your thoughts on real strategy. I'll give an easy question and a hard one. Interested in seeing what people to have to say.

1. How many cultists do you think currently exist? What is your level of certainty in your answer?
2. Let's say you find a cultist in Night 1. Do you lynch them the next day or choose someone else? Do you reveal this information at all?

1. Noone died, so I take it that no crosstream occured (technically the rules didnt explicitly make clear what happens in a crosstream as opposed to nonsimultaneous recruitment). This leaves only holstering and targeting the other leader (2 1/9 chances) for having less than 2 (new cultists), so about 77% (rounding down where I should round up because of holstering and inactivity).
2. Town is not interested in seeing cultists lynched, in fact they are the only way to confirm that someone is not a leader. The reveal part is much more tricky, as we want leaders to cross streams, but also avoid wasting a lynch. Currently leaning towards claiming result only as lynch is imminent (to protect them, crazy, i know).
BMs are red,
TOs are blue.
From a certain point of view,
Big if true.

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (1) - MasterWalks
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat

Given that I havent been recruited I can afford to point this out finally (but it also makes it less likely to be true). This could be a crumb that Linkcat is in the big end club.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 12:24:45 am
So either W3 was recruited N0 then targetted again last night, or he got double targetted tonight by both leaders.

There's no reason for a leader to target their own cultist right? That's just self harm as far as I can tell, but I want others opinions.

I heavily doubt he was hit by both leaders tonight, but I also wanna know; as a leader what's the strategy? Do they hit super actives players or do they go for the inactive ones? W3 wouldve been considered inactive, and if shock is telling the truth, that's another pretty inactive one. If there's a pattern, we can assume Andre or CoolKid is the other cultist (I'm not breadcrumbing here, truly speculating).

@kae, couldn't there be 3 cultist alive if w3 was hit by both leaders last night?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 12:27:09 am
im not counting leaders. n0 a maximum of 2 were recruited. double recruitment now would mean the number hasnt changed (order doesnt really matter for total numbers actually, just illustrating it for the scenario you asked about)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 12:31:14 am
if w3 was already a cultist, he was pretty comfortable voting Linkcat... Idk though, feels like half the players are gamethrowing anyway.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 12:31:39 am
Oh right. Definitely maximum of 2.

Linkcat (1) - MasterWalks

Why didn't we lynch him yesterday? He basically threw with that screenshot. Sure it could've been an unrelated PM, but this forum is so dead I'd honestly be surprised.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 12:34:04 am
if w3 was already a cultist, he was pretty comfortable voting Linkcat... Idk though, feels like half the players are gamethrowing anyway.

I don't think the cultist is notified of who recruited them. Therefore w3 voting link is probably just based on that screenshot
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 12:43:10 am
andre is fairly active actually. Leader strategy would focus on not recruiting the other leader (there is a theory linking impact of role to activity or sth I guess) and otherwise getting the numbers advantage through lynching members of the other cult (new recruit vs killing cultist makes no difference in direct comparison to the other cult).

if w3 was already a cultist, he was pretty comfortable voting Linkcat... Idk though, feels like half the players are gamethrowing anyway.

I don't think the cultist is notified of who recruited them. Therefore w3 voting link is probably just based on that screenshot
Yh but if he believed in the screenshot, thats a 50% chance to lose instantly. Also it was in response to Link saying he recruited Root ftr.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 05, 2022, 01:49:22 am
Given that I havent been recruited I can afford to point this out finally (but it also makes it less likely to be true). This could be a crumb that Linkcat is in the big end club.

I tend not to read much into these sorts of things, but I can definitely see this being significant. So, Linkcat is bumped to the top of my list now. Could be that he's a cultist and not a cult leader, but leader is more likely.

There's no reason for a leader to target their own cultist right? That's just self harm as far as I can tell, but I want others opinions.

Correct, it would be really suboptimal play.

I heavily doubt he was hit by both leaders tonight, but I also wanna know; as a leader what's the strategy? Do they hit super actives players or do they go for the inactive ones? W3 wouldve been considered inactive, and if shock is telling the truth, that's another pretty inactive one. If there's a pattern, we can assume Andre or CoolKid is the other cultist (I'm not breadcrumbing here, truly speculating).

Main priority is to avoid targeting the rival leader. There's roughly equal value in targeting a civ versus targeting a rival cultist, but they'd probably prefer targeting a civ between the two options. But it's a bit complicated, since they can't guarantee their target is a civ - it could be the rival leader. Whereas targeting a rival cultist is still valuable and ensures that they're not hitting the rival leader. All else being equal, it should also be strictly better to target active players. I would speculate that the point of targeting inactive players was to avoid collision with the rival leader's targets, which they failed to do last night lol.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 05, 2022, 01:51:06 am
I would like Linkcat to provide the information he found out last night. I think he should reveal first, being the scummiest player. We can then see if anyone else is able to verify or refute that information.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 05, 2022, 01:59:13 am
There's no reason for a leader to target their own cultist right? That's just self harm as far as I can tell, but I want others opinions.

I heavily doubt he was hit by both leaders tonight, but I also wanna know; as a leader what's the strategy? Do they hit super actives players or do they go for the inactive ones?

The wincon for the cults is to have the biggest cult once all town members are converted. If a leader notices this has happened he can just namedrop everyone they recruited and lynch the other group (same reason why a regular mafia game stops once the mafia is in the majority). As long as no cultists are lynched and no attempts to recruit leaders are made both cults will have the same size. To achieve a majority a leader needs to get rival cultists (or even better the rival leader) lynched, without revealing they are a leader.

I think the best strategy for doing that (for both leaders and cultists) is to act in a way that makes people not want to lynch you (kinda like deepwolfing) and wait for the opposing faction to slip up first.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 05, 2022, 02:25:50 am
Linkcat (1) - MasterWalks
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon

After analyzing everything that's been said I'm like 90% sure kaempf is not on my team. Everyone else i'm less certain about so from my point of view this is my best option for the time being.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 04:31:42 pm
@linkcat, coolkid and Oa this thread cannot really go forward without some discernible input from you guys. At least one of you was a towny at some point, though i get that you could have become cultists by now. Linkcat esp needs to give us sth thats not just random or suspicious, fortunately he is the most active of the bunch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 05, 2022, 06:16:38 pm
Some incentive to get Link talking

Linkcat (2) - MasterWalks, andretimpa
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 05, 2022, 08:18:29 pm
You wouldn't be voting me right now if my attempt to convert you wasn't 6 minutes late, which I found out just now because I haven't been paying attention to deadlines at all. I would have let it go through, I guess serp just likes to watch me suffer. Anyway, I'm trying to win this game solely through shitposting, so please don't lynch me thanks.


Linkcat (2) - MasterWalks, andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat

I already gave my accusation earlier, looks like shock was the only one big brained enough to see it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 08:26:14 pm
Linkcat (3) - MasterWalks, andretimpa, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat

dude i wasnt even voting you yet. Be it selfpres, policy lynch or your 2 major giveaways or omgus, i have enough reason to vote you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 05, 2022, 08:27:42 pm
Linkcat (4) - MasterWalks, andretimpa, kaempfer13, RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat

Welp

Any info/input from PlayerOa & cool64kid?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 08:34:26 pm
Lemme paint a scenario.
Just assume Link and Root are leaders.
N0
Root recruits W3 (familiar name, low chance of lynch)
Link recruits Shock (shitposting the game)

D1
Mobian dies as a clean town.

N1
Root targets ? (Gonna guess Andre due to root helping him)
Link targets W3 (again, shitposting his way through)

W3 dies as cultist.

I believe this makes the most sense. I'm willing to bet kae is being wagoned by link in hopes Root targeted kae N1, or to thin out town. I believe link and shock are in the same cult. I don't think link would target late, especially if he's trying to shit post his way through, and kae being an ultra active brings attention, risking a lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 08:36:05 pm
I believe this makes the most sense. I'm willing to bet kae is being wagoned by link in hopes Root targeted kae N1, or to thin out town. I believe link and shock are in the same cult. I don't think link would target kae, especially if he's trying to shit post his way through, and kae being an ultra active brings attention, risking a lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 08:40:06 pm
Well, this would be a good time to fully explain your Root read I guess, if you want me to be intrigued in the 2nd half of it. That Link has to die with this playstyle is a foregone conclusion even if he was just trolling town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 08:48:58 pm
Actually is there even an alignement link could have where he isnt breaking rule 6?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 05, 2022, 08:54:12 pm
@MasterWalks

I pointed out the andre was making higher quality posts than everyone else because andre was making higher quality posts than everyone else. The rest of the group (aside from kae) was at best talking about lynching cultists or at worst not even understanding how the rules work.

Also, why would Linkcat lie about targeting late in the same post he's admitting to being scum?

@kae

Giving him extreme benefit of the doubt, it could be a 300iq play where he's actually a cultist and dies to convince the civs that one of the cult leaders is dead. But then his team would be down a member compared to the other cult.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 08:57:29 pm
I'm on mobile, just started my shift at work so it won't be pretty.

Here's the thing, Oa, CoolKid, and now dead W3 are all variables. We cannot get solid reads on them, regardless of how much you look.
Shock is unpredictable, but rarely a liar. If he's claiming cult, I'm willing to believe it. I'm down to hear how he isn't.
Andre and Kae are probably the most helpful, but that doesn't mean not a cultist. In fact, Andre wouldn't be a bad target for recruitment, but cultists don't really matter here. I don't get leader reads from either. Kae could've been recruited, but I think that's a bad recruit. Too active, too much attention.

I'm town. Not cultist yet either.

Link is semi confirmed leader.

As for Root, early game Root was the post judge. He sat back and decided who was useful publicly. This is a pretty power move from a leader. By forcing attention on certain people, he can hopefully influence the other leader. I think he wants kae or Andre to be recruited so he can kill them. Later, root gets pretty defensive on me from some pretty minor pressure. Root has played games with me in the past, and knows my reputation. He knows I have to fight tooth and nail to get anyone to listen to my proposals. Very interesting thing to defend.
According to Kae's Lynch log, and today's votes, Root hasn't started a wagon. He simply joins them. Maybe this is deadline/TZ conflicting, but Kae when we were scum we always piled on wagons and rarely started our own. as scum this is the best way to influence who gets killed without looking too sus.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 05, 2022, 09:03:45 pm
Actually is there even an alignement link could have where he isnt breaking rule 6?

That's for me to decide

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 09:16:50 pm
@RR paradox alert:
assuming rules were strictly enforced (granted they arent), if absence of a modkill can only occur in one alignement, then that play would be a dead giveaway for the alignement, which in turn would be gamethrowing again.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 09:54:45 pm
I'm on mobile, just started my shift at work so it won't be pretty.

Here's the thing, Oa, CoolKid, and now dead W3 are all variables. We cannot get solid reads on them, regardless of how much you look.
Hence we cant take them of the table either. except for w3, who  definitely was a twice recruited towny (timepoint of first recruitment undetermined I suppose, but i dont think its worth getting a towny distracted to check, unless that already happened).
Shock is unpredictable, but rarely a liar. If he's claiming cult, I'm willing to believe it. I'm down to hear how he isn't.
he totally can lie, though the arbitrary "correct" solutions to his "puzzles" are always true. I do believe him here though. And we know I would be his disciple if he were a leader :sillyspin:. It's the law.
Andre and Kae are probably the most helpful, but that doesn't mean not a cultist. In fact, Andre wouldn't be a bad target for recruitment, but cultists don't really matter here. I don't get leader reads from either. Kae could've been recruited, but I think that's a bad recruit. Too active, too much attention.
I will not openly speculate about optimal recruitment strategy (unless it is highly relevant to solving). Towny or cultist are both missed opportunities for the lynch though.

I'm town. Not cultist yet either.

Link is semi confirmed leader.
So it would seem.

As for Root, early game Root was the post judge. He sat back and decided who was useful publicly. This is a pretty power move from a leader.
Meh. You can make a very similiar argument about just being plain inactive.By forcing attention on certain people, he can hopefully influence the other leader. Uh, maybeI think he wants kae or Andre to be recruited so he can kill them Iirc, he favors new recruits over killing cultists for the leader strat. according to what he said anyway, which sounded genuine.. Later, root gets pretty defensive on me from some pretty minor pressure. Root has played games with me in the past, and knows my reputation. He knows I have to fight tooth and nail to get anyone to listen to my proposals. Very interesting thing to defend.
Uh no. You gave minimal actual input (regarding his case, though its still better than what the average person does here) whilst maintaining this read and he finally reacted (fairly composed and rational) after 3 days
According to Kae's Lynch log, and today's votes, Root hasn't started a wagon. He simply joins them. Maybe this is deadline/TZ conflicting, but Kae when we were scum we always piled on wagons and rarely started our own. as scum this is the best way to influence who gets killed without looking too sus.
Well, only 1 Person can start any given wagon. Personally, i generally am not particularly trigger happy and cast my votes late, when the wagons have already started. I think Root is the same? Wouldnt read too much into it. However, he could be using me as sort of a free extra cultist by following my vote consistently.
Not really convinced.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 09:57:41 pm
That's probably the nicest you've been to me about a big post  :D

Convinced or not, I'd love to hear a better alternative leader.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 10:16:00 pm
oh yh, looking back he was actually offended that you questioned his activity/value early on. A decently strong reaction, but in the "I'm the only one that actually did anything other than eggposting, yet you pick me out for low content" way.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 10:26:17 pm
Did anyone target Root?
Only respond if he came back town.

Did anyone target Kae?
Only respond if he came back cultist

Did anyone target shock?
Respond either way
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 05, 2022, 10:32:16 pm
Given that these 2 struggle to make any content i would wait with reveals until after Oa and coolkid checked in, with results if they got nothing else to offer. At least if that doesnt cost all the daytime.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 10:39:17 pm
CoolKid is borderline scum read. Like N-.
Posting just enough to not be mod killed (1post) and it's absolutely useless. Ye great discussions that you're not a part of.

Either CoolKid is scum instead of Root, or he got recruited N0. Highly doubt he got recruited.
Bruh, post a read list or something. Literally anything that's not super useless and neutral. Claim cultist, claim town, claim you're actually reading the thread. It's a bastard mod game with a bastard admin breaking any rule he can. Not like you need to think this game through too hard.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 05, 2022, 11:09:39 pm
It's hard to break the rules when you make them

Here, let me help town & create a new rule: if more than two thirds of players agree to lynch the least active player, based on total vowels posted & least jokes told that I find funny, that person dies as an additional lynch that day

Out with these "i want to play" "oh shit you mean i have to read shit?" players

I get it, reading is hard, it took me eight years to learn <- this is an example of a joke I find funny
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 05, 2022, 11:16:46 pm
Linkcat (3) - MasterWalks, andretimpa, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat

dude i wasnt even voting you yet. Be it selfpres, policy lynch or your 2 major giveaways or omgus, i have enough reason to vote you.

Oh shit, I actually thought you were voting me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 05, 2022, 11:18:33 pm
Lemme paint a scenario.
Just assume Link and Root are leaders.
N0
Root recruits W3 (familiar name, low chance of lynch)
Link recruits Shock (shitposting the game)

D1
Mobian dies as a clean town.

N1
Root targets ? (Gonna guess Andre due to root helping him)
Link targets W3 (again, shitposting his way through)

W3 dies as cultist.

I believe this makes the most sense. I'm willing to bet kae is being wagoned by link in hopes Root targeted kae N1, or to thin out town. I believe link and shock are in the same cult. I don't think link would target late, especially if he's trying to shit post his way through, and kae being an ultra active brings attention, risking a lynch.

MW actually correct that I targeted shock N1, nice. Got a result of T O W N I E S C U M, I see town in there so pretty sure he's safe.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 05, 2022, 11:20:53 pm
It's hard to break the rules when you make them

Here, let me help town & create a new rule: if more than two thirds of players agree to lynch the least active player, based on total vowels posted & least jokes told that I find funny, that person dies as an additional lynch that day
gonna need a scoreboard of told jokes and what jokes you found funny.

Out with these "i want to play" "oh shit you mean i have to read shit?" players why do I feel this is targeted at me? >:(

I get it, reading is hard, it took me eight years to learn <- this is an example of a joke I find funny
this finding jokes you find funny is gonna be pretty hard
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 06, 2022, 01:38:14 am
Step 1. Accuse someone of something (being a cult leader, being a bastard mod, etc.)
Step 2. Person defends themselves
Step 3. Look at how defensive they're getting! That means I was right all along

Fwiw you're asking the right questions by probing for night phase targets, although I'm on the same page with kaempfer. Want to hear what information the inactives can provide.

To reiterate - PlayerOa and cool64kid, please provide any information you have from the night phase, or at least just, something.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 02:31:19 am
I just want to say I'm proud of the fact that we're more than halfway through the phase and we have zero results reported.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 06, 2022, 02:42:34 am
Last few posts have been very useful to me. I'm pretty confident that I have narrowed down the two leaders to being among 3 people. The problem is figuring out which one is mine........

If my leader doesn't respond with a :fire emote at the end of a post to let me know soon, i'll probably just have to the roll the dice and play the 66.7% odds that I tunnel someone not aligned with myself. From my point of view very crucial to get an early edge over opposing cult. Things get dicey when no town are left and everyone's fake claiming leader to get others killed.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: cool64kid on April 06, 2022, 04:54:30 am
CoolKid is borderline scum read. Like N-.
Posting just enough to not be mod killed (1post) and it's absolutely useless. Ye great discussions that you're not a part of.

Either CoolKid is scum instead of Root, or he got recruited N0. Highly doubt he got recruited.
Bruh, post a read list or something. Literally anything that's not super useless and neutral. Claim cultist, claim town, claim you're actually reading the thread. It's a bastard mod game with a bastard admin breaking any rule he can. Not like you need to think this game through too hard.

Can confirm that I'm town. Will post investigative results if I survive this night.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: PlayerOa on April 06, 2022, 08:55:14 am
Sorry for being inactive, but that’s unfortunately how I intend to roll this week.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 09:15:09 am
Sorry for being inactive, but that’s unfortunately how I intend to roll this week.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.
Why did you choose him? just genuinely curious.

@coolkid you already have 1 night worth of info (if town) and if you wait we'll take that as you making it easier for yourself to make a fakeclaim. Mind you, serp allows us to most likely have you as an extralynch if you dont contribute, so you might even survive the day
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 09:16:14 am
*might not survive the day* obv
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 09:17:46 am
Linkcat (4) - MasterWalks, andretimpa, kaempfer13, RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat

As i mention this, for now:

slaughter the useless (1) kaempfer13
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: PlayerOa on April 06, 2022, 02:59:50 pm
Sorry for being inactive, but that’s unfortunately how I intend to roll this week.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.
Why did you choose him? just genuinely curious.

@coolkid you already have 1 night worth of info (if town) and if you wait we'll take that as you making it easier for yourself to make a fakeclaim. Mind you, serp allows us to most likely have you as an extralynch if you dont contribute, so you might even survive the day
No real mechanical reasoning, really.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 03:45:03 pm
Last few posts have been very useful to me. I'm pretty confident that I have narrowed down the two leaders to being among 3 people. The problem is figuring out which one is mine........

If my leader doesn't respond with a :fire emote at the end of a post to let me know soon, i'll probably just have to the roll the dice and play the 66.7% odds that I tunnel someone not aligned with myself.

Bruh
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 03:50:58 pm
Sorry for being inactive, but that’s unfortunately how I intend to roll this week.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.
Why did you choose him? just genuinely curious.

@coolkid you already have 1 night worth of info (if town) and if you wait we'll take that as you making it easier for yourself to make a fakeclaim. Mind you, serp allows us to most likely have you as an extralynch if you dont contribute, so you might even survive the day
No real mechanical reasoning, really.
So did you just roll a die? Im sure you've had some reason to do it. This is not about judging people for optimal targeting. I dont think there even is a (strictly) mechanical reason at this stage to favour any particular target (well for next night there is ofc, but not this one). Strategically, i could see a lot of different reasons for choosing Root though. And I would like to know which it was.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 04:23:20 pm
Last few posts have been very useful to me. I'm pretty confident that I have narrowed down the two leaders to being among 3 people. The problem is figuring out which one is mine........

If my leader doesn't respond with a :fire emote at the end of a post to let me know soon, i'll probably just have to the roll the dice and play the 66.7% odds that I tunnel someone not aligned with myself.

Bruh

Let shock do his roleplay. It makes him happy :silly:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 07:47:19 pm
@kaempfer13

Tell me your result and I'll play seriously.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 08:01:32 pm
pfft, no point playing into obv scums hands
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 08:19:12 pm
I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.

So this means root is townie or leader right? Just not cultist.
Cool, solved game. Link and Root leaders. We lynch Link tonight Root next night and it's GG start up the next one
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 08:28:30 pm
@MW same offer
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 08:30:02 pm
@MW same offer
Why do I want you to play seriously? This is way more entertaining. Besides, I can't offer any new information
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 08:44:10 pm
Tell me and I'll make you FGO.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 08:50:00 pm
While the fastest way to my heart is indeed bribery, I can't be assed to learn enough bbcode to do the mafia startup posts.

Also, I've already said who I targetted and what the results were.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 09:00:36 pm
Uh, no you didn't?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 09:01:07 pm
Also @Root again, same offer
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 06, 2022, 09:09:39 pm
Thx for the response Oa. Unfortunately this info isn't really that actionable. Although I (and apparently MW, if he counts as a trusted civ) can at least verify that it's true.

Interested in hearing results of anyone who has either found a cultist or investigated shockcannon.

@Linkcat, I investigated worldwideweb3 and found out that he's British. Didn't really know that counted as its own faction, but I can see how it makes sense.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 09:12:21 pm
@kaempfer13

Tell me your result and I'll play seriously.
Fine then.
The result of the latest calculation i made for my Bachelorthesis is a p-Value of 0.002.
Now play seriously!

Ninjaed by Root, Im still posting this.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 09:19:34 pm
Thx for the response Oa. Unfortunately this info isn't really that actionable. Although I (and apparently MW, if he counts as a trusted civ) can at least verify that it's true.

Interested in hearing results of anyone who has either found a cultist or investigated shockcannon.

@Linkcat, I investigated worldwideweb3 and found out that he's British. Didn't really know that counted as its own faction, but I can see how it makes sense.

You're saying you targeted w3 but didn't get a result because he died? I could totally see serp giving a British result in that case lol.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 06, 2022, 09:27:23 pm
British are a hidden fourth faction. They have this weird wincon where they need to recruit players from different timezones, such that the sun never sets on their empire.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 09:34:16 pm
I don't think coolkid will post results until EOD and even if shock is town he will keep cosplaying as a cultist. That leaves me, MW, kae and root left to post results. Do we have an order decided?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 09:37:37 pm
@kaempfer13

Tell me your result and I'll play seriously.
Fine then.
The result of the latest calculation i made for my Bachelorthesis is a p-Value of 0.002.
Now play seriously!

Ninjaed by Root, Im still posting this.

Eew p-values
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 09:39:01 pm
EoD isnt technically a hard deadline when we lynch Linkcat regardless of results and giving people a free pass just for being inactive defeats the purpose when they can just copy a result or take a blind spot.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 09:39:26 pm
@kaempfer13

Tell me your result and I'll play seriously.
Fine then.
The result of the latest calculation i made for my Bachelorthesis is a p-Value of 0.002.
Now play seriously!

Ninjaed by Root, Im still posting this.

Eew p-values
Do you prefer poo-values?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 09:41:57 pm
Ok, holding results and putting coolkid in the lynchblock until they speak sounds like a fair compromisse to me
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 09:42:42 pm
@kaempfer13

Tell me your result and I'll play seriously.
Fine then.
The result of the latest calculation i made for my Bachelorthesis is a p-Value of 0.002.
Now play seriously!

Ninjaed by Root, Im still posting this.

Eew p-values
Do you prefer poo-values?

Depending on how he analysis is done they are the same thing :silly:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 09:53:12 pm
I call BS on Roots claim.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 10:04:12 pm
Actually, i can confirm Roots claim. w3 is indeed British.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 10:06:35 pm
W3 isn't just Bri'ish, he's worldwide.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 10:10:28 pm
Alright, I guess it would be irresponsible of me to be that much of an asshole.

So, let's put the players into 3 unordered levels of general skill.

Upper - Linkcat, kaempfer
Mid - Oa, andre, w3, Root
Lower - Mobian, MW, shock, coolkid

It's my belief that higher is better for recruit targets on Night 0. The reason is that the most important thing for cultists is to be able to identify who their leader is, and game solving ability is the best way to determine that. Also, the lower players are more likely to be lynched, and you don't want that. For people who want to avoid crossing targets, it's a good tactic to go after midrange players without a large presence in thread, who in this case would be w3 and Oa. I probably would have recruited Oa first if I was leader since he even has an excuse.

Now let's talk about reads. First, if Mobian was a leader, it's probable that he would breadcrumb his target in a similar way to the post that kaempfer pointed out to get him lynched. Unfortunately, we know he didn't recruit MW because of the w3 death, so i don't think he's leader. Next, shock's confusion at the start of the game about if there even are roles makes sense knowing that town didn't receive any PMs. I also believe that a recruited shock would play exactly the way he is right now. Of course he could just be trolling, but it's a slow and short game so I'll take any decent reads I can get. Then, coolkid. If he was leader, I would find it a little odd for him to target someone as quiet as w3, or to even send in a target at all, and also for serp to offer a free lynch on him. I think most would agree he's not a leader.

I crack my eggs middle out (more efficient)

Wrt kae's post just read it lol, it's a pretty good addition to the lore. He's basically claiming civ which... shouldn't surprise anyone

These quotes from Root N0 look like a town claim to me. While normally completely useless, this is actually a relevant claim because it's basically asking to be recruited, which you want as town because you have a higher chance of winning.

My leader reads are therefore narrowed down to Kaempfer, Oa, andre, and MW.

For Oa, it doesn't make much sense for him to target a low poster like w3 since he'd pretty much be giving up on his cult influencing the first half of the game. Andre I could see grabbing him N0, but he's not a good target N1 because of his terrible activity unless you're running the game like kaempfer is. Even then, you want to recruit people you read as not leader, and I'm sure kaempfer knows this and wouldn't recruit w3 (or Oa) N1 since he wouldn't be able to have a read on him. I could see it N0, though.

Now let's talk about MW. Out of all players in this game, I believe he would be the most likely to troll by recruiting shock. Getting w3 next as another trolly player fits, even with him being a bad choice since you wouldn't care about that with this playstyle. We know w3 was recruited N1, so that makes MW the most likely to target both the one confirmed cultist and also my top suspected cultist. Easy top leader read. Even better, after I had already come to this conclusion I saw the following post.

Lemme paint a scenario.
Just assume Link and Root are leaders.
N0
Root recruits W3 (familiar name, low chance of lynch)
Link recruits Shock (shitposting the game)

D1
Mobian dies as a clean town.

N1
Root targets ? (Gonna guess Andre due to root helping him)
Link targets W3 (again, shitposting his way through)

W3 dies as cultist.

I believe this makes the most sense. I'm willing to bet kae is being wagoned by link in hopes Root targeted kae N1, or to thin out town. I believe link and shock are in the same cult. I don't think link would target late, especially if he's trying to shit post his way through, and kae being an ultra active brings attention, risking a lynch.

This is actually a good breadcrumb if true, proud of you.

Finally, I'll talk about my kaempfer read, which is the only post I made before now that actually had any content whatsoever.


For everyone else, here's a chance to offer your thoughts on real strategy. I'll give an easy question and a hard one. Interested in seeing what people to have to say.

1. How many cultists do you think currently exist? What is your level of certainty in your answer?
2. Let's say you find a cultist in Night 1. Do you lynch them the next day or choose someone else? Do you reveal this information at all?

1. Noone died, so I take it that no crosstream occured (technically the rules didnt explicitly make clear what happens in a crosstream as opposed to nonsimultaneous recruitment). This leaves only holstering and targeting the other leader (2 1/9 chances) for having less than 2 (new cultists), so about 77% (rounding down where I should round up because of holstering and inactivity).
2. Town is not interested in seeing cultists lynched, in fact they are the only way to confirm that someone is not a leader. The reveal part is much more tricky, as we want leaders to cross streams, but also avoid wasting a lynch. Currently leaning towards claiming result only as lynch is imminent (to protect them, crazy, i know).
BMs are red,
TOs are blue.
From a certain point of view,
Big if true.

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (1) - MasterWalks
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat

The poem here is talking about a perspective slip. Calculating the probability of two cultists normally gives the same number kaempfer had. The important thing to note though, is that Root didn't ask what the general probabilities were. He asked how many YOU think there are. From my perspective as an unrecruited townsperson, I know that I wasn't targeted, and so I removed myself from the calculation. I determined that the chance of two recruitments was exactly 75%, which is the bottom of the range that Root gave. Now it's always possible that kaempfer just didn't think too hard about it, but this slip is reason enough for me to put him as the most likely second leader.

To summarize:

MW leader
N0 shock
N1 w3

Kaempfer leader
N0 w3
N1 andre/Root

Linkcat (4) - MasterWalks, andretimpa, kaempfer13, RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Linkcat

Now, let's see them claims, boys.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 10:17:07 pm
Quote from: Linkcat
Now let's talk about MW. Out of all players in this game, I believe he would be the most likely to troll by recruiting shock. Getting w3 next as another trolly player fits, even with him being a bad choice since you wouldn't care about that with this playstyle. We know w3 was recruited N1, so that makes MW the most likely to target both the one confirmed cultist and also my top suspected cultist. Easy top leader read. Even better, after I had already come to this conclusion I saw the following post.

Bruh, this is the most I've seen someone write to just say "no u"
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 10:17:50 pm
Are you claiming a Root town result or no?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 10:19:11 pm
@MW same offer
Why do I want you to play seriously? This is way more entertaining. Besides, I can't offer any new information

Yes I did it here. No new information because Oa had the same target and result
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 10:22:57 pm
Then that's a really shit claim because you're just copying the only reported target.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 10:41:35 pm
Seems MW and kaempfer have taken the approach of just ignoring me and letting the stacked vote do its work, not really helping their cases.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 10:43:44 pm
Then that's a really shit claim because you're just copying the only reported target.
Yea obv.
On mobile so I can't breakdown your book of a post, but you quite literally swapped your name for my name when talking about shit posting the picks. I broke it down the same way.
First of all, as a leader, I would target kae or Andre N0. Kae knows how I scum play so he would be able to tell. Id chose Andre because you have to much passive scum to you you're too risky at being lynched.
Putting me in low when I fricken win last game and got voted best player is just rude. Lemme bask in my glory. Also, give me an icon for that, i deserve it.
To shitpost your way through the entire game then get pretty darn defensive when you're on the rope, that's a major scum thing to do. I know as a town or cultist you would absolutely continue with the shitposting right until death. I would expect this behavior from shock or w3 but not you. Also you bending the rules pretty damn hard by editing someone else's post and screenshotting your inbox notification even furthers your chance of being leader. You being modkilled D1 as a leader would give the game to Root (most likely). Serp might be bastard mod this game, but I think he'd still want to preserve a fair-ish game and that means not mod killing a leader.
That's enough of my defense, on to your other reads.
I agree Mobian would probably recruit me if he was leader. He wouldn't recruit shock unless Mobian didn't understand rules. And I think he understands them enough to not do that. Mobian died a townie and I think we all agree on that.
I would not recruit shock with this playgroup. Too often he is policy lynched. Especially as a N0 recruit when Mobian is in game and would obsess with policy lynching shock. Kae as a leader also wouldn't recruit shock. Too much of a chance shock tries to get kae killed later, and he definitely wouldn't be quiet if he knew kae recruited him. That leaves either A) you recruited him or B) a noob like CoolKid did, since they wouldn't know what a shockcannon is. I lean on you doing it for shitpost reasons.
A kae leader would probably recruit Root or Andre. Kae has actually been kinda open to lynching Root so that lowers the possibility there. I am interested in hearing if Andre was investigated and what the result was, but I'm not seeing a leader Kae. If you truly believe kae is a leader with me, why not jump on him now? He gets a little funny and prone to mistakes when he has a decent amount of pressure on him.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 10:47:50 pm
Ok, finally the day is getting interesting.

Linkcat (3) - MasterWalks, kaempfer13, RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - Linkcat, andretimpa

I agree that it's a pretty shitty claim (it could be terrible luck tho), but that coupled with the fact I don't see anyone recruiting MW early makes it more suspicious than Link's PM shitpost.

On MW's defense it was an unprompted claim which gives it a bit more weight to it being genuine. Link do you have any results you want to share? Also

24h extension (1) - andretimpa
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 10:48:36 pm
Will eat then read MW's post brb
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 10:49:09 pm
That post sounds so much better than anything else you posted, alas I think (or rather know in some cases) the main takeaways are wrong.
Ftr, I was taking the perspective of a complete outsider when calculating (answering the question "Given that leaders didnt recruit the same person, what are the odds they both recruited a towny"). Even now, i had to think an embarassingly long time to consider whether me not getting recruited really should affect the odds and furthering my embarassment, the answer is "yes".

The things you said about MW I've been thinking this whole time about you, those recruits fit your playstyle even better (dont understand the crumb though, pls elaborate). I also wouldnt completely discount the possibility of Oa recruiting shock, they had a good game together before.

Also still no claim from you, yet asking them from everyone (which btw is procult without proper order)?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 10:52:05 pm
Ok, finally the day is getting interesting.

Linkcat (3) - MasterWalks, kaempfer13, RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - Linkcat, andretimpa

I agree that it's a pretty shitty claim (it could be terrible luck tho), but that coupled with the fact I don't see anyone recruiting MW early makes it more suspicious than Link's PM shitpost.

On MW's defense it was an unprompted claim which gives it a bit more weight to it being genuine. Link do you have any results you want to share? Also

24h extension (1) - andretimpa

I was actually telling the truth when I said I targeted you 6 minutes after deadline.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 10:54:08 pm
24h extension (2) - andretimpa, kaempfer13

You know, i pretty much always choose that option when available. Not sure if it (or activity modkills for that matter) actually apply this game though, as the usual secondary rules post is completely missing this game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 06, 2022, 10:54:16 pm
LOL. these last two pages have been great. I have now identified my leader with 99.9% accuracy.

@my leader:
lynch kaempf for free win
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 11:02:26 pm
Then that's a really shit claim because you're just copying the only reported target.
just ftr, Mw broadcast his targeting intention a long time ago.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:03:53 pm
Ftr, I was taking the perspective of a complete outsider when calculating (answering the question "Given that leaders didnt recruit the same person, what are the odds they both recruited a towny").

Except that wasn't the question and you're not an outsider, nor did you specify such in your answer. I would expect you to be more thorough.

The things you said about MW I've been thinking this whole time about you, those recruits fit your playstyle even better (dont understand the crumb though, pls elaborate). I also wouldnt completely discount the possibility of Oa recruiting shock, they had a good game together before.

My playstyle in general? Absolutely not. My playstyle this game? I may have trolled the shit out of it, but I'm still FGO and wouldn't throw that hard as a leader, even with meme picks I would have played seriously as soon as you voted for me and put me on the wire, not wait until the last few hours where there's a much lower chance to save myself.

The crumb is him laying out his targets disguising them as mine, he can call back to it endgame and it would be pretty convincing.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 06, 2022, 11:11:33 pm
24h extension (2) - andretimpa, kaempfer13

You know, i pretty much always choose that option when available. Not sure if it (or activity modkills for that matter) actually apply this game though, as the usual secondary rules post is completely missing this game.

I decided to build hype & let rules surprise people

I eventually posted them. You can read them here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-78-by-serprex/msg1307087/#msg1307087

I have since clarified rules:

There is no 24h extension rule. But you're all free to vote for whatever policies you choose

World Peace (1) - serprex
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 11:17:13 pm
You are defintely the person with the softest spot for shock (he would be permabanned on most sites) and I do recall you also protecting him for mere lols in the past ingame as well. W3 being midrange, as you assessed, is actually a fairly reasonable target for anyone, even if he declined a bit over time.

As for the "crumb", shock and w3 being recruits is so blatantly obvious and also w3 wont contribute. So he could only be signalling shock or andre there, which seems fairly low impact for a crumb (and also those are the people i too thought were recruited, no leadership required)

World Peace (2) - serprex, kaempfer13 (pls actually enforce this rule)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 11:18:22 pm
The crumb is him laying out his targets disguising them as mine, he can call back to it endgame and it would be pretty convincing.

GL convincing anyone, including me, that I am capable of thinking that far ahead.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 06, 2022, 11:20:26 pm
See the problem here, or at least one of the problems here, is that Linkcat being leader and sending in his recruit too late is something that makes sense given the evidence. We have exactly one known cultist and one nightkill, so that's 3 total targets between the 2 leaders over 2 nights. There's a missing cultist, because a leader either missed a deadline or fizzled.

If another player dropped a bombshell result that there's a 2nd cultist out there aside from shock, it would change things, but that hasn't happened.

Will respond more when I get home if it seems necessary but my vote is staying on Linkcat.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:22:36 pm
Then that's a really shit claim because you're just copying the only reported target.
just ftr, Mw broadcast his targeting intention a long time ago.

His intention, yes.

So Mobian is dead then?
Him just ragequitting when i identify him as scum is consistent with his previous game. Sorry mate! Does make me feel fairly confident though, especially if MW turns up cultist (not like we would get a definitive reveal before game end   >:().

Target me tonight. I double dog dare u.

I'm finna target Root. If he comes up town, I'm voting him tomorrow. If he comes up cult I vote link.

Yet he voted me over Root, even though he supposedly got a town result.

Did anyone target Root?
Only respond if he came back town.

Did anyone target Kae?
Only respond if he came back cultist

Did anyone target shock?
Respond either way

He positioned himself for a Root cult claim, so he could be checking to see if anyone would have a cc and then claim early for cred. If he actually had a town result, anyone responding positively to this would put his claim in question as we see now. Bad play as town.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.

So this means root is townie or leader right? Just not cultist.
Cool, solved game. Link and Root leaders. We lynch Link tonight Root next night and it's GG start up the next one

Then he pretends to not know Root's result. Keeping himself open for a different claim.

@MW same offer
Why do I want you to play seriously? This is way more entertaining. Besides, I can't offer any new information

He finally gives in to the slightest pressure, but in a vague way.

This kind of waffling fits his scum game more. In short, this is the worst claim in the history of claims, maybe ever.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:25:03 pm
See the problem here, or at least one of the problems here, is that Linkcat being leader and sending in his recruit too late is something that makes sense given the evidence. We have exactly one known cultist and one nightkill, so that's 3 total targets between the 2 leaders over 2 nights. There's a missing cultist, because a leader either missed a deadline or fizzled.

If another player dropped a bombshell result that there's a 2nd cultist out there aside from shock, it would change things, but that hasn't happened.

Will respond more when I get home if it seems necessary but my vote is staying on Linkcat.

Completely ignoring the much more likely scenario that nobody happened to target the last cultist. How about we get the rest of you to claim and see how many more overlap?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 11:29:57 pm


Yet he voted me over Root, even though he supposedly got a town result.

Did anyone target Root?
Only respond if he came back town.

Did anyone target Kae?
Only respond if he came back cultist

Did anyone target shock?
Respond either way

He positioned himself for a Root cult claim, so he could be checking to see if anyone would have a cc and then claim early for cred. If he actually had a town result, anyone responding positively to this would put his claim in question as we see now. Bad play as town.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.

So this means root is townie or leader right? Just not cultist.
Cool, solved game. Link and Root leaders. We lynch Link tonight Root next night and it's GG start up the next one


Ngl, these put together like that are pretty damning. Good catch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 06, 2022, 11:30:23 pm
If I'd found a new cultist I would have spoken up by now.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 11:30:45 pm
I requested someone check root to see if anyone reported cultist, in which I could counterclaim and we would've found another cultist. Yea kinda bad in hindsight, but I've done something similar nearly every game (and got called out for it nearly every game). The shock and Kae requests were legit, I actually want to know if kae is cultist and I want to know if shock is telling the truth. Kae flipping cultist would shatter my world view of this game.

I'm voting you over root because you've already done the work and convinced everyone you're leader. I tried convincing people to lynch Root a while ago, kae is the only response to it and he only kinda agrees.
This 180° (maybe 360°) turn on your play style is the worst thing you could've done. If you stayed shitposting to the very end, I'd probably eod switch to Root, but you're further convincing my scumread on you.

If we lynch you in 30 minutes, I'm full blown slathering root in lynch juice until he's soaked next day.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 11:32:14 pm
except you explicitly prohibited them from claiming if they want to claim cultist ?_?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 11:34:10 pm
except you explicitly prohibited them from claiming if they want to claim cultist ?_?

If you thought what link pointed out was scummy, get ready for this:
I messed up and swapped the criteria for responding on you and Root.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 11:36:01 pm
See the problem here, or at least one of the problems here, is that Linkcat being leader and sending in his recruit too late is something that makes sense given the evidence. We have exactly one known cultist and one nightkill, so that's 3 total targets between the 2 leaders over 2 nights. There's a missing cultist, because a leader either missed a deadline or fizzled.

If another player dropped a bombshell result that there's a 2nd cultist out there aside from shock, it would change things, but that hasn't happened.

Will respond more when I get home if it seems necessary but my vote is staying on Linkcat.

Completely ignoring the much more likely scenario that nobody happened to target the last cultist. How about we get the rest of you to claim and see how many more overlap?

I'll claim my result, since I think coolkid died or smth. I randomized one of the inactives and picked w3, he was already a cultist, so he was targetted in different nights.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:36:41 pm
except you explicitly prohibited them from claiming if they want to claim cultist ?_?

If you thought what link pointed out was scummy, get ready for this:
I messed up and swapped the criteria for responding on you and Root.

You're just falling apart at this point.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:41:21 pm
If I'd found a new cultist I would have spoken up by now.

Linkcat
kaempfer13
coolkid
Oa
MW
andre

From your perspective, these are the people who nobody has claimed target on. Even if you got one, that's still a lot of room for another cultist.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 06, 2022, 11:42:03 pm
Do you all just want me to tell you who the leaders are? I'm fairly certain www3 was not on my team, so my team should be ahead right now. I feel like revealing will only benefit me?

@myleader, if you want me to reveal you, use the word "scum" as your 37th word in your next post.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:42:54 pm
Still interested in kaempfer's result.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 06, 2022, 11:43:16 pm
Bleh, this is a mistake he totally could have made. I recall being confused by both of those requests, as they seemed the exact opposite of what is usefull.

Btw, MW was not a cultist (at least before the end of n1), which ofc leaves the leaderoption wide open.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:43:54 pm
Do you all just want me to tell you who the leaders are? I'm fairly certain www3 was not on my team, so my team should be ahead right now. I feel like revealing will only benefit me?

@myleader, if you want me to reveal you, use the word "scum" as your 37th word in your next post.

Please do
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:45:03 pm
Sorry, scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum scum
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 11:45:13 pm
Do you all just want me to tell you who the leaders are? I'm fairly certain www3 was not on my team, so my team should be ahead right now. I feel like revealing will only benefit me?

@myleader, if you want me to reveal you, use the word "scum" as your 37th word in your next post.

lmfao
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:46:15 pm
See the problem here, or at least one of the problems here, is that Linkcat being leader and sending in his recruit too late is something that makes sense given the evidence. We have exactly one known cultist and one nightkill, so that's 3 total targets between the 2 leaders over 2 nights. There's a missing cultist, because a leader either missed a deadline or fizzled.

If another player dropped a bombshell result that there's a 2nd cultist out there aside from shock, it would change things, but that hasn't happened.

Will respond more when I get home if it seems necessary but my vote is staying on Linkcat.

Completely ignoring the much more likely scenario that nobody happened to target the last cultist. How about we get the rest of you to claim and see how many more overlap?

I'll claim my result, since I think coolkid died or smth. I randomized one of the inactives and picked w3, he was already a cultist, so he was targetted in different nights.

Another easy fake claim...
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 11:50:20 pm
See the problem here, or at least one of the problems here, is that Linkcat being leader and sending in his recruit too late is something that makes sense given the evidence. We have exactly one known cultist and one nightkill, so that's 3 total targets between the 2 leaders over 2 nights. There's a missing cultist, because a leader either missed a deadline or fizzled.

If another player dropped a bombshell result that there's a 2nd cultist out there aside from shock, it would change things, but that hasn't happened.

Will respond more when I get home if it seems necessary but my vote is staying on Linkcat.

Completely ignoring the much more likely scenario that nobody happened to target the last cultist. How about we get the rest of you to claim and see how many more overlap?

I'll claim my result, since I think coolkid died or smth. I randomized one of the inactives and picked w3, he was already a cultist, so he was targetted in different nights.

Another easy fake claim...

If you survive you get another shot at investigating me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 06, 2022, 11:51:03 pm
Linkcat (2) - MasterWalks, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (3) - Linkcat, andretimpa, RootRanger

This is so stupid. I still think Linkcat is one of the most likely scum, but MW is intent on lynching me which will probably lose the game given the tight margins we're under. And MW is a good scum candidate too so it's not an awful lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 11:51:37 pm
I've spent the last 10 minutes trying to post the meme of the dudes arms out in response to Links "you're falling apart" post but imgur sucks ass and I give up.

Yea, I truly messed up on that post and got it swapped around. Can ANYONE tell me if they've targetted Andre and if he's cult or not?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 11:52:25 pm
Linkcat (2) - MasterWalks, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (3) - Linkcat, andretimpa, RootRanger

This is so stupid. I still think Linkcat is one of the most likely scum, but MW is intent on lynching me which will probably lose the game given the tight margins we're under. And MW is a good scum candidate too so it's not an awful lynch.

Pls, there's not much time. Swap back to link if you really think he's scum. Nobody listens to me anyways, good chance you survive my slathering
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 06, 2022, 11:52:38 pm
Btw my target was that shock is cultist. Wanted to see if he was a leader fakeclaiming to fly under the radar, or if someone would take the bait claiming he's town.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 06, 2022, 11:55:32 pm
in b4 shock tries to cc
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:55:36 pm
I should reiterate that the only reason I felt comfortable shitposting as long as I did was because as town, my faction has a very low chance of winning anyway so it's not really throwing. As a cultist I'd shape up in order to not fuck over my leader and the whole game as a result. As a leader I would just be straight up throwing, I wouldn't do that once it was clear everyone else was actually taking this seriously.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:57:09 pm
Btw my target was that shock is cultist. Wanted to see if he was a leader fakeclaiming to fly under the radar, or if someone would take the bait claiming he's town.

Why are everyone's targets so easy to fake claim? I know mine was the most useless of all, but still, it's annoying.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 06, 2022, 11:58:39 pm
High risk high reward basically. Probably does nothing, could end up finding a leader
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 06, 2022, 11:58:55 pm
in b4 shock tries to cc

Swap to link now  >:(
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 06, 2022, 11:59:25 pm
Kaempfer, I'd request switching now to avoid a snipe.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 07, 2022, 12:01:42 am
kaempf and andre are leaders. very obvious, don't understand how no one can tell. Do with that what you will
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 07, 2022, 12:03:50 am
U N L Y N C H A B L E
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 07, 2022, 12:05:11 am
I should reiterate that the only reason I felt comfortable shitposting as long as I did was because as town, my faction has a very low chance of winning anyway so it's not really throwing. As a cultist I'd shape up in order to not fuck over my leader and the whole game as a result. As a leader I would just be straight up throwing, I wouldn't do that once it was clear everyone else was actually taking this seriously.
If you died as town and ruined the (realistically speaking) at most 2 error margin that way for the rest of your (then still) team its basically throwing as hard and you are also not getting recruited if you survive like that, so argument doesnt really work. So basically, still highest confidence on you in the end so i didn't switch/jump off.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 07, 2022, 12:06:27 am
kaempf and andre are leaders. very obvious, don't understand how no one can tell. Do with that what you will

S O L V E D G A M E
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 07, 2022, 12:09:52 am
MasterWalks, you were on your way home when you died. It was a car accident. Nothing particular remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. It was a painless death. The medics tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterfly shattered you were better off, trust me. & that's when you met me

Night 2 has ended.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 07, 2022, 12:11:45 am
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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 07, 2022, 12:12:05 am
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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 07, 2022, 01:35:06 am
Assuming I was correct on MW:

Dear surviving cult leader, I have a proposition.

1. Recruit someone else tonight.
2. Claim tomorrow and I'll vote with you to give you the majority.
3. Recruit me on the following night so that I also win.
4. ???
5. O R C H E S T R A T E D
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Mobian on April 07, 2022, 02:09:23 am
So Mobian is dead then?
Him just ragequitting when i identify him as scum is consistent with his previous game. Sorry mate! Does make me feel fairly confident though, especially if MW turns up cultist (not like we would get a definitive reveal before game end   >:().

SO! Turns out I had a minor emergency that took 120% of my focus that weekend, and I COMPLETELY forgot about the game! I was reminded when Serprex messaged me to inform me. It's a damn shame, cause I was enjoying what little I was able to play.  This post has been approved by Serp as my one post-death post. I'll be catching up this evening and following the rest of the game to see how it all goes. Have fun!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 07, 2022, 03:26:05 am
Still assuming I was correct on MW, who threw for their team the hardest? MW for recruiting shock, shock for claiming cultist, or me with my last post? It's hard to say.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: cool64kid on April 07, 2022, 04:17:39 am
Still assuming I was correct on MW, who threw for their team the hardest? MW for recruiting shock, shock for claiming cultist, or me with my last post? It's hard to say.

Me for being more afk than I anticipated.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 07, 2022, 04:41:15 am
Still assuming I was correct on MW, who threw for their team the hardest? MW for recruiting shock, shock for claiming cultist, or me with my last post? It's hard to say.

Me for being more afk than I anticipated.

Who did you target last night and what result did you get? Depending on your answer, it could really shake things up. Or not change anything.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 07, 2022, 09:12:53 am
Still assuming I was correct on MW, who threw for their team the hardest? MW for recruiting shock, shock for claiming cultist, or me with my last post? It's hard to say.
After some deliberation I came to the conclusion that your post in question was absolutely disgusting, a complete disgrace, and also the 3rd least gamethrowing post you did all game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 07, 2022, 01:34:38 pm
The main reason I did this is because it's something serp would do in one of my games. The second reason is that I'm trying to break or push the line of every rule, only a few left at this point. Honestly a good host should have modkilled me already.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 07, 2022, 02:33:19 pm
Links to-do list



General Mafia Rules

1. Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from this mafia. You are allowed one death post that contains no information or commentary about the players. Get killed and then post revealing information.
2. You are not allowed to edit or remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means you may post again with the correct fixes. Complete via editing my post
3. Directly quoting or providing proof in any way of any PM sent by the host will result in an instant modkill and referral to the FGO. Do not talk about any PMs that you have or have not been sent by the host. Completed
4. You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host. So did you read Nai's message yet?
5. You are not allowed to request to be modkilled in the thread. If you PM the host requesting to be modkilled, the host must find a substitute or modkill you at the end of the phase. Id calll this task completed even if there is some plausible deniability on intent
6. All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed. Completed
7. Breadcrumbs are allowed. Coded messages and hiding text in your post are not allowed. Debatably the poem, but id call that a crumb.
8. Any flaming/trolling will not be tolerated.Plenty of trolling Id say
9. Players' actions should be motivated by this game's events solely. You may look at past mafias to determine behaviors for better reads, but keep personal affairs out of the game. Didnt notice a breach of this
10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense. Make MW FGO
11. Players are not allowed to use formatting to intentionally make text hard to read, hide information by editing media before or after posting, change the contents of their signature or personal text in an attempt to affect the game, directly edit quotes by other players other than to add their own clearly indicated commentary, impersonate the host, or direct anyone toward information that would affect the game that is outside the confines of the thread, pads provided by the host, or PMs sent by the host. May have broken some of these debatably, but cannot confirm
12. If a player is suspected of attempting to use a loophole in the specific wording of the rules to violate the spirit of the rules, this will be dealt with on a case by case basis.
*Any use of the word PM by the host or FGO refers to any method of communication outside of the game thread and the public blab chat. Yep

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Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: PlayerOa on April 07, 2022, 02:47:51 pm
Can someone give me a TLDR of N1 claims? As far as I can see there have been nothing except me (and MW) on Root?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 07, 2022, 02:55:40 pm
Can someone give me a TLDR of N1 claims? As far as I can see there have been nothing except me (and MW) on Root?

Link claims he targeted me late so got no response
I targeted w3 and he was already a cultist
kae targeted MW and got townie
Root targeted shock and got cultist

coolkid still hasn't made his claim
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 07, 2022, 03:01:08 pm
What a choice of words. Shouldnt the other claims not on Root be more interesting to you?

From Memory the claims:
Mw, Oa -> Root town
Linkcat missed deadline, intended to target me
timpa -> w3 was already cultist
kaempfer -> MW was town
shock -> claims cultist
Root -> shock was cultist
coolkid -> Let me wait at least 3 days
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 07, 2022, 03:19:36 pm
The main reason I did this is because it's something serp would do in one of my games. The second reason is that I'm trying to break or push the line of every rule, only a few left at this point. Honestly a good host should have modkilled me already.

Really? Besides fixing kaempfer's post (which you've received a warning for) nothing you've done seems wrong to me

Guess what I'm saying is you're making me proud. If you aren't bending rules in mafia you aren't trying hard enough
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 07, 2022, 04:13:01 pm
The logical conclusion here is that serp is not a good host  :sillyspin:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: worldwideweb3 on April 07, 2022, 07:43:25 pm
shush you

/me dies
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 07, 2022, 07:45:33 pm
Targeting Root tonight, would appreciate if someone else got andre.

(Coolkid, if you read this before deadline, please be useful for once and send a personal message to serprex that says "I target andretimpa.")
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 07, 2022, 08:15:49 pm
Targeting Root tonight, would appreciate if someone else got andre.

(Coolkid, if you read this before deadline, please be useful for once and send a personal message to serprex that says "I target andretimpa.")
What a clever projection of crumbing your recruits.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 07, 2022, 09:24:20 pm
Thanks, I thought it was pretty slick myself.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 08, 2022, 12:01:54 am

Day 3 has ended.

God is dead
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 12:06:54 am
Nice, both leaders recruited god.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 12:31:35 am
I'm on mobile, just started my shift at work so it won't be pretty.

Here's the thing, Oa, CoolKid, and now dead W3 are all variables. We cannot get solid reads on them, regardless of how much you look.
Shock is unpredictable, but rarely a liar. If he's claiming cult, I'm willing to believe it. I'm down to hear how he isn't.
Andre and Kae are probably the most helpful, but that doesn't mean not a cultist. In fact, Andre wouldn't be a bad target for recruitment, but cultists don't really matter here. I don't get leader reads from either. Kae could've been recruited, but I think that's a bad recruit. Too active, too much attention.

I'm town. Not cultist yet either.

Link is semi confirmed leader.

As for Root, early game Root was the post judge. He sat back and decided who was useful publicly. This is a pretty power move from a leader. By forcing attention on certain people, he can hopefully influence the other leader. I think he wants kae or Andre to be recruited so he can kill them. Later, root gets pretty defensive on me from some pretty minor pressure. Root has played games with me in the past, and knows my reputation. He knows I have to fight tooth and nail to get anyone to listen to my proposals. Very interesting thing to defend.
According to Kae's Lynch log, and today's votes, Root hasn't started a wagon. He simply joins them. Maybe this is deadline/TZ conflicting, but Kae when we were scum we always piled on wagons and rarely started our own. as scum this is the best way to influence who gets killed without looking too sus.
Mws setup here was terrible given that he didnt make good on his promise and other problems Link pointed out, but this doesnt really matter. Mw still considered Root as a leader here, which makes it impossible for town!mw to have seen cultist (ofc he could be leader as well or (at this stage) swapped target for some ungodly reason, but he still offered the best setup for a leader to copy without pointing out their own cultist or taking a bigger leap of faith)

Sorry for being inactive, but that’s unfortunately how I intend to roll this week.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.
First to make a claim explicit, though MW waffled around a bit already. only reason to expect a cc would be if he were a leader.

Sorry for being inactive, but that’s unfortunately how I intend to roll this week.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.
Why did you choose him? just genuinely curious.

@coolkid you already have 1 night worth of info (if town) and if you wait we'll take that as you making it easier for yourself to make a fakeclaim. Mind you, serp allows us to most likely have you as an extralynch if you dont contribute, so you might even survive the day
No real mechanical reasoning, really.
Evasive about the motive. My question was not as innocent as I made it look, in my opinion there was little reason to think Root would turn out to be a cultist. Main reason to do this claim would be to piggyback of MW. MW telegraphed that he didnt see cultist!Root, which made this claim fairly safeish. In the alternative case (MW not town or deviating from planned target) it still would serve to push MW further into lynching Root.

Can someone give me a TLDR of N1 claims? As far as I can see there have been nothing except me (and MW) on Root?
As I called out earlier, wrong sense of priorities from a towny. Oa being first to explicitly claim could not hope to catch someone in a lie. Vice versa however...

You should have recruited me (i even kept the pressure at just the right lvl to backout, yet make it clear I was suspicious of you :(), now im hoping for the good will of the other leader in the future.

PlayerOa(1) kaempfer13
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 12:44:09 am
It's not Root, someone please tell me they checked andre.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 12:45:49 am
Bleh this forcing an order doesnt work anyway, timpa was town before this night.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 12:47:24 am
And before you say " perspective slip" i mean he could've been recruited on this night without me knowing, not that he didnt die from recruitment.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 12:47:48 am
Then who was the cultist, pray tell?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 12:59:12 am
Then who was the cultist, pray tell?
God obviously. Or maybe Mobian really was a leader after all :sillyspin:
If the other leader is alive and active enough to not miss night action (which according to andre is a given) and no cultist turns up they know who they have to lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 08, 2022, 01:04:53 am
So I just finished watching EGG

Wow. What a film. Not quite the musky grit of hardboiled Americana, but the effects really made it relatable

The big reveal where they explain things could've been left out tho
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 01:11:32 am
So I just finished watching EGG

Wow. What a film. Not quite the musky grit of hardboiled Americana, but the effects really made it relatable

The big reveal where they explain things could've been left out tho
I genuinely recommend Angel's egg (Tenshi no Tamago).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 08, 2022, 01:14:37 am
So I just finished watching EGG

Wow. What a film. Not quite the musky grit of hardboiled Americana, but the effects really made it relatable

The big reveal where they explain things could've been left out tho
I genuinely recommend Angel's egg (Tenshi no Tamago).



Thanks for the recommendation, I'll check it out
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 01:30:15 am
Really Linkcat? Changing your profile text to have :fire as its ending?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 01:37:12 am
Did that a while ago, that's 1 of 2 found.

Claim?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 01:47:05 am
Did that a while ago, that's 1 of 2 found.

Claim?

You realize I consider you to be a cult leader, right? Long post coming soon.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 02:07:03 am
I've had more time to think about things (and not get recruited last night), and the case for lynching Linkcat is just as strong as before.

In a standard format, there's no reason for anyone, regardless of role, to claim that they're scum, as Linkcat has been doing. So you can chalk it up to shitposting. The difference with this format is that in the endgame, the leaders will potentially need to convince other players of their identity. For example, if the remaining 3 players in the final day phase include 1 civ, 1 cultist, and 1 leader, this isn't necessarily gg. If the remaining civ can be convincing enough, they can get the cultist to lynch their own leader. This is the sort of scenario where repeatedly broadcasting that you're a leader from the start of the game would be helpful. I think Linkcat was just counting on nobody realizing this, or nobody getting the votes to actually lynch him.

So what's the full picture look like? Linkcat is a leader, probably on the Big team given the early breadcrumb. We can hope the other leader is MW, and I think the odds of that aren't too bad given how hard he was gunning for me. Plus, the fact that nobody died in the night phase strengthens the case that there is only 1 leader remaining. At most, Linkcat has 2 cultists on the Big team, and there's 1 remaining cultist on the Little team who is probably (but not necessarily) leaderless. This means 3 people who want Linkcat to live and 4 people who want Linkcat to die. So, we can win this with a 4-3 vote. In the best case scenario, Linkcat only has 1 cultist on his team, meaning it should be a 5-2 vote, so we have a margin of error in case people are inactive.

If Linkcat was telling the truth about his second target not going through, that leaves him with only 1 cultist - whoever he recruited last night. I think this is most likely to be kaempfer, given how he switched gears overnight to vote on PlayerOa instead of Linkcat. This leaves shockcannon as the Little team cultist, with no leader lol, but his incentive is to still vote for Linkcat such that he can win in the event that his leader is still alive.

So, that's that.

PlayerOa (1) - kaempfer13
Linkcat (1) - RootRanger
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 02:22:04 am
Look, I get that you think I may have recruited shock and want to lynch me for insurance, but you, me, Oa, and andre can all easily win right now.

I'd rather not do this the hard way, but if you insist, so be it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 02:22:47 am
Oa actually slipped in the night and was on the verge of it beforehand. Look again, my flip wasnt actually sudden. Unfortunately both leaders are alive and have votes on them, but town cant actually win anymore (if they arent then oa has much less history of trolling and Linkcat actually manages to be town somehow, but eh). So all thats left is fully solving the game for honor and hope the remaining leader recruits me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 03:21:49 am
I'm on mobile, just started my shift at work so it won't be pretty.

Here's the thing, Oa, CoolKid, and now dead W3 are all variables. We cannot get solid reads on them, regardless of how much you look.
Shock is unpredictable, but rarely a liar. If he's claiming cult, I'm willing to believe it. I'm down to hear how he isn't.
Andre and Kae are probably the most helpful, but that doesn't mean not a cultist. In fact, Andre wouldn't be a bad target for recruitment, but cultists don't really matter here. I don't get leader reads from either. Kae could've been recruited, but I think that's a bad recruit. Too active, too much attention.

I'm town. Not cultist yet either.

Link is semi confirmed leader.

As for Root, early game Root was the post judge. He sat back and decided who was useful publicly. This is a pretty power move from a leader. By forcing attention on certain people, he can hopefully influence the other leader. I think he wants kae or Andre to be recruited so he can kill them. Later, root gets pretty defensive on me from some pretty minor pressure. Root has played games with me in the past, and knows my reputation. He knows I have to fight tooth and nail to get anyone to listen to my proposals. Very interesting thing to defend.
According to Kae's Lynch log, and today's votes, Root hasn't started a wagon. He simply joins them. Maybe this is deadline/TZ conflicting, but Kae when we were scum we always piled on wagons and rarely started our own. as scum this is the best way to influence who gets killed without looking too sus.
Mws setup here was terrible given that he didnt make good on his promise and other problems Link pointed out, but this doesnt really matter. Mw still considered Root as a leader here, which makes it impossible for town!mw to have seen cultist (ofc he could be leader as well or (at this stage) swapped target for some ungodly reason, but he still offered the best setup for a leader to copy without pointing out their own cultist or taking a bigger leap of faith)

You're assuming Oa had even read the thread enough to formulate this fake claim.


Sorry for being inactive, but that’s unfortunately how I intend to roll this week.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.
First to make a claim explicit, though MW waffled around a bit already. only reason to expect a cc would be if he were a leader.

Or he was inactive and wanted to appear to be at least a little useful.


Sorry for being inactive, but that’s unfortunately how I intend to roll this week.

I’ll provide you with some info, though. Root is town.
Why did you choose him? just genuinely curious.

@coolkid you already have 1 night worth of info (if town) and if you wait we'll take that as you making it easier for yourself to make a fakeclaim. Mind you, serp allows us to most likely have you as an extralynch if you dont contribute, so you might even survive the day
No real mechanical reasoning, really.
Evasive about the motive. My question was not as innocent as I made it look, in my opinion there was little reason to think Root would turn out to be a cultist. Main reason to do this claim would be to piggyback of MW. MW telegraphed that he didnt see cultist!Root, which made this claim fairly safeish. In the alternative case (MW not town or deviating from planned target) it still would serve to push MW further into lynching Root.

Or he was inactive and just didn't put much thought into it.

Can someone give me a TLDR of N1 claims? As far as I can see there have been nothing except me (and MW) on Root?
As I called out earlier, wrong sense of priorities from a towny. Oa being first to explicitly claim could not hope to catch someone in a lie. Vice versa however...

Or he just didn't see all the claims because he was inactive.

I'm sorry to burst your bubble kaempfer, but Oa is not coasting as a leader and waiting for everyone else to kill each other. He's on vacation.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 03:34:35 am
Can someone give me a TLDR of N1 claims? As far as I can see there have been nothing except me (and MW) on Root?
I never cared about him wanting a summary of all claims. My problem is his laserfocus on Root.
It will be hard to beat you over the head hard enough if you still havent seen it now. But given that even as a leader you want your rival lynched, it evidently isnt clear enough.

1.Oa clearly saw the ask to claim early for the low contributors (and also you, but it was clear you werent cooperating).
2.MW both very likely investigated root and treated him as a viable lynch. Then some stuff i will not reiterate, read the post.
3. Oa is very anxious about other results on Root.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 03:44:45 am
I get the case for Oa, but surely the case for Linkcat is much stronger? Provided you're not his cultist, at least
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 03:48:42 am
The thing about Linkcat is he's always ridiculously scummy. Except for my first game, where he actually was scum, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oa doesnt deliberately selfsabotage, though he may do so on accident ofc.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 03:50:10 am
Also reminder that I wouldnt know whos cultist I am in absence of crumbs, so I would be generally defensive if I got freshly recruited and havent picked up a hint.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 08, 2022, 03:51:32 am
Then who was the cultist, pray tell?

It wasn't kae (my result tonight). Haven't read the wall of text, will do it tomorrow
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 03:55:25 am
Also reminder that I wouldnt know whos cultist I am in absence of crumbs, so I would be generally defensive if I got freshly recruited and havent picked up a hint.
But Linkcat left the breadcrumb that he's on the Big team - you were the one to point it out. Unless you no longer think that means anything?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 03:59:03 am
Also reminder that I wouldnt know whos cultist I am in absence of crumbs, so I would be generally defensive if I got freshly recruited and havent picked up a hint.
But Linkcat left the breadcrumb that he's on the Big team - you were the one to point it out. Unless you no longer think that means anything?
Fair, wasn't crazy relevant for my actual situation, so I didnt bother.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 04:03:18 am
Also considering I learned he specifically leaderread me in that post it can actually be the inverse: He is on the small team, so if I were a leader, I would be big if true.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 04:19:18 am
Can someone give me a TLDR of N1 claims? As far as I can see there have been nothing except me (and MW) on Root?
I never cared about him wanting a summary of all claims. My problem is his laserfocus on Root.
It will be hard to beat you over the head hard enough if you still havent seen it now. But given that even as a leader you want your rival lynched, it evidently isnt clear enough.

1. Oa clearly saw the ask to claim early for the low contributors (and also you, but it was clear you werent cooperating).
2. MW both very likely investigated root and treated him as a viable lynch. Then some stuff i will not reiterate, read the post.
3. Oa is very anxious about other results on Root.

And focusing on Root after already claiming does what exactly for him as leader? Why? For what reason? It serves no purpose.

I present to the thread the entire post history of Oa this game:
(https://gyazo.com/b117f9dbd9743dda2a6eb7d9e364a6de.png)

You're doing an olympic dive into a kiddie pool. Just accept that this is a man who joined while on vacation to fill out the signups, rolled town, and has done the absolute minimum.

I have a strong townread on you that's continued from yesterday, so I know for a fact that Oa was recruited on N1. I will never ever vote Oa this game.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 04:29:52 am
Ah, so you attempted to recruit him? Cuz at the very least there is def coolkid left as alternative. Granted, a terrible pick.
But actually the options are much wider as N1 recruits could just be registered just now, so it could even be mw technically. Just not Root andre or me, provided all claims so far are truthfull-
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 04:34:49 am
Not to mention leader hitting other leader.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 04:38:23 am
kaempfer, what do you consider to be the probability, from 0-100%, that Linkcat is a cult leader? And, what do you think it is for PlayerOa?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 04:44:44 am
I do not like quantifying confidence on feelings/educated guesses. And the purely mathematical outlook is abyssmal ofc.

But given that you asked me to, Id say 50% for both. The reason im focussing on Oa rn is that he wasnt even on the table before. And also less likely to deliberately throw, which about balances out the mountain of evidence against Linkcat (which includes a paniclynch on people he could have easily talked about earlier, just so someone mentions this as well).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 08, 2022, 04:51:16 am
50+50=100

That doesn't leave room for the chance I made everyone town & am randomly rolling cult leader actions
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 08, 2022, 04:52:20 am
Oh you mean 50% between the two?

Forget I said anything
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 04:53:10 am
1. you cant add probabilities for separate events like that.
2. yh I assumed the game was bastard enough already.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 04:57:50 am
Actually, I can't ignore how defensive Link is off his potential recruit. That about tips the scales.

Linkcat (2) - RootRanger, kaempfer13
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 05:03:36 am
Also again, Oa's focus on root is sus as it builds on MW hints and voting tendency and includes an insecure question. Justification for the specific targeting priority outside of those things (which I asserted) is also absent.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 05:16:20 am
Oa: Claims target, says he didn't have a particular reason for it, asks about other targets, and literally nothing else
kaempfer: Must be cult leader!

Please, just for one second look at it from the perspective of someone who only put ten minutes a day into this game, and it becomes a hundred times easier to read. Your stubborness may doom our faction, but at least I'll die being right. And honestly, that's more than enough for me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 05:29:10 am
Oh, right.

Linkcat (2) - RootRanger, kaempfer13
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 07:44:47 am
If you screw up within 5 posts it weighs all the heavier (importantly, he asks about other people targeting Root). It will not be possible to get a better read on Oa.
Fret not though, I am no longer voting him. Also, wording lol. Nice crumb to your teammate (if only he weren't a leader). My read is at least as well founded as your cultist by PoE read on him. that PoE is much bigger than you claim. Also you dont get to lecture me about failing a faction.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 08:19:10 am
Ftr, I can ofc see how mere inactivity explains most of Oas content as any faction (doesnt absolve him of anything though). I can even see how he became a victim of poor wording. But its the 2nd best scumread i have and with the overall activity that is unlikely to change. Inactivity affects reads both ways, so the only reason to have a better than neutral read on him would be his elevated chance of being a cultist.
with w3 recruited twice and shockcannon we only have 1 unaccounted recruitment that was traceable as of today. This can be any leader, Oa, coolkid or Linkcat(its not him lol), with a sliver of a chance of a really bold fakeclaim.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 08, 2022, 05:40:01 pm
Ever since being converted I was worried I'd have to actually try to help my leader out. Turns out y'all just going to kill each other. Everyone blinded by egos.

@myleader: Don't recruit anyone else. They don't deserve the win. We can do it alone.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 08, 2022, 05:41:39 pm
Actually let's make this interesting. I'll even VOTE FOR MY OWN LEADER. Just this once. Last opportunity. After this lynch goes through I'm leaving y'all to your own demise.

Linkcat (2) - RootRanger, kaempfer13
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
andretimpa (1) - shockcannon
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 08, 2022, 05:46:05 pm
Also I find it very funny that Linkcat is leaving obvious signs that he's my leader thinking I'm stupid enough to believe it. Sets this up so obviously that it makes everyone else thinks he's actually the other leader who's just trying to get me to vote with him at end game. But in reality he's really just a town and now he's going to die for it since everyone thinks he's a leader.

Pretty funny low key, but a terrible plan because the end result is you die and don't win since you're still a town.

I'm going to go make some popcorn before Linkcat makes his massive personality switch post to try and convince kaemp and root not to vote for him (which he thought they wouldn't but he underestimated their stupidity to see through his troll).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 06:02:48 pm
andre is the player least likely to be leader out of all the unknowns (Linkcat, PlayerOa, kaempfer, cool64kid, andre)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 06:35:40 pm
Also I find it very funny that Linkcat is leaving obvious signs that he's my leader thinking I'm stupid enough to believe it. Sets this up so obviously that it makes everyone else thinks he's actually the other leader who's just trying to get me to vote with him at end game. But in reality he's really just a town and now he's going to die for it since everyone thinks he's a leader.

Pretty funny low key, but a terrible plan because the end result is you die and don't win since you're still a town.

I'm going to go make some popcorn before Linkcat makes his massive personality switch post to try and convince kaemp and root not to vote for him (which he thought they wouldn't but he underestimated their stupidity to see through his troll).

Only a player as bad as you would read into those as anything more than low quality shitposts.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 07:10:38 pm
If you screw up within 5 posts it weighs all the heavier (importantly, he asks about other people targeting Root). It will not be possible to get a better read on Oa.
Fret not though, I am no longer voting him. Also, wording lol. Nice crumb to your teammate (if only he weren't a leader). My read is at least as well founded as your cultist by PoE read on him. that PoE is much bigger than you claim. Also you dont get to lecture me about failing a faction.

(https://techcrunch.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/912accb5_picard-facepalm.png)

Are you telling me that your Oa read is actually based on simple misinterpretation of wording!?

Can someone give me a TLDR of N1 claims? As far as I can see there have been nothing except me (and MW) on Root?

You think he was asking if anyone else targeted Root? NO. HE'S ASKING IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER CLAIMS, PERIOD. OTHER THAN THE TWO HE SAW. THAT BOTH HAPPENED TO BE ON ROOT.

THE FIRST SENTENCE IS ASKING FOR A GENERAL SUMMARY OF CLAIMS. THE SECOND IS CLARIFYING HIS CURRENT UNDERSTANDING. HE IS NOT ASKING IF A THIRD PERSON TARGETED ROOT.

I'm dumbfounded. I didn't even see it before now because it's so silly.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 07:33:58 pm
I think everything short of Oas input has been said about that affair.

Look, I get that you think I may have recruited shock and want to lynch me for insurance, but you, me, Oa, and andre can all easily win right now.

I'd rather not do this the hard way, but if you insist, so be it.
I find this post a bit puzzling, not that I expect you to actually explain it. But your only reads that you have explained as of today are townreads on me and Oa.

Is the vote on Root omgus?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 07:38:30 pm
Oh, no, he's the other leader.

Also, I'm retroactively giving you an F in every English class you've ever had.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 07:39:56 pm
Hypothetical question btw, if MW really was leader, what were his targets?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 07:48:18 pm
Explain (not the english part). Also, does this mean you are confident there is a leader between you, MW and Mobian?

About mw: I believe his slipup was genuine, but lets suppose (and hope). Leader MWs  targets necessarily involves w3 and 1 other target. If it was shock, it was his first recruit, else 2nd. he uses moon logic sometimes, so I cannot safely exclude it I guess. Alternatively he picked up any other leader (not exclusive with the following category obv) or one of Oa, Link, coolkid.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 07:49:59 pm
Sorry wrong way around. he either recruited shock or w3 first, then someone else or w3.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 07:51:00 pm
I think everything short of Oas input has been said about that affair.

Look, I get that you think I may have recruited shock and want to lynch me for insurance, but you, me, Oa, and andre can all easily win right now.

I'd rather not do this the hard way, but if you insist, so be it.
I find this post a bit puzzling, not that I expect you to actually explain it. But your only reads that you have explained as of today are townreads on me and Oa.

Is the vote on Root omgus?

He's saying he's a leader and recruited me, Oa, and andre. And now thinks I'm the other leader for voting on him. Of course, no explanation on how w3 could have died if Linkcat's targets were me, Oa, and andre.

Hypothetical question btw, if MW really was leader, what were his targets?

You tell me. But it looks like it was shock and w3. Unless shock was your target, but he seems to think otherwise.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 07:52:27 pm
The "someone else" targets are all pretty crappy btw, so a leader target does not seem absurd. Otherwise Oa seems like the most likely to not be a liability out of those.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 08, 2022, 07:53:54 pm
someone confirmed www3 was cultist after first night I'm pretty sure. So www3 and I aren't on the same team and weren't recruited by the same person. Unless someone lied.....but who would do that.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 07:56:43 pm
yh the leader that didnt pick you, picked w3 right away. thats what i said.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 08:09:04 pm
well, a thing speaking in favor of MW/Mobian leader is that far too few people behave like new cultists. There should be 2 more than we could possibly trace outside ofleaders targeting one another or being dead already. Yet Root, Link and I started the day too aggressively for disoriented cultists and i can confirm that timpas activity drop started as he was still not successfuly recruited.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 08:10:27 pm
So let's take a look at every possible recruitment from N1, given Mobian was dead, w3 was a cultist, and shock is cultist.

MW - > Kae
MW - > Andre
MW - > Link
MW - > Root
MW - > CK
MW - > Oa
Kae - > MW
Kae - > Andre
Kae - > Link
Kae - > Root
Kae - > CK
Kae - > Oa
Andre - > MW
Andre - > Kae
Andre - > Link
Andre - > Root
Andre - > CK
Andre - > Oa
Link - > MW
Link - > Kae
Link - > Andre
Link - > Root
Link - > CK
Link - > Oa
Link - > Missed
Root - > MW
Root - > Kae
Root - > Andre
Root - > Link
Root - > CK
Root - > Oa
CK - > MW
CK - > Kae
CK - > Andre
CK - > Link
CK - > Root
CK - > Oa
Oa - > MW
Oa - > Kae
Oa - > Andre
Oa - > Link
Oa - > Root
Oa - > CK

Now it's extremely unlikely that CK is leader, or that anybody picked him. We can disregard these possibilities unless things get really fucky tomorrrow. From your point of view, we can also exclude you from both, and andre from the target.

MW - > Link
MW - > Root
MW - > Oa
Andre - > MW
Andre - > Link
Andre - > Root
Andre - > Oa
Link - > MW
Link - > Root
Link - > Oa
Link - > Missed
Root - > MW
Root - > Link
Root - > Oa
Oa - > MW
Oa - > Link
Oa - > Root

Me, Root, and andre all lynched MW. I think you also agree I'm not cultist.

MW - > Oa
Andre - > Root
Andre - > Oa
Link - > Root
Link - > Oa
Link - > Missed
Root - > Oa
Oa - > MW
Oa - > Root

Now, let's say I'm town and checked Root.

MW - > Oa
Andre - > Oa
Root - > Oa
Oa - > MW

If I'm town then my Oa non leader read is legitimate, and I can only conclude that he is cultist. I also believe that MW was leader, and I pick Root as the other leader over andre because he's being proactive.

Now, let's say I'm leader.

Link - > Root
Link - > Oa
Link - > Missed

I'm currently trying to kill Root. Add the other two options to the possibilities for me as town, and we get this.

MW - > Oa
Andre - > Oa
Root - > Oa
Oa - > MW
Link - > Oa
Link - > Missed

Can we agree on these worlds as a starting point?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 08:16:20 pm
I think everything short of Oas input has been said about that affair.

Look, I get that you think I may have recruited shock and want to lynch me for insurance, but you, me, Oa, and andre can all easily win right now.

I'd rather not do this the hard way, but if you insist, so be it.
I find this post a bit puzzling, not that I expect you to actually explain it. But your only reads that you have explained as of today are townreads on me and Oa.

Is the vote on Root omgus?

He's saying he's a leader and recruited me, Oa, and andre. And now thinks I'm the other leader for voting on him. Of course, no explanation on how w3 could have died if Linkcat's targets were me, Oa, and andre.

No, I was referring to my previous offer to give the remaining leader a majority.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 08:23:12 pm
something doesnt quite seem right about all of your exclusions, but Ill need some time to wrap my head around it. I do think you forgot leaders recruiting each other, invalidating our checks.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 08:35:12 pm
MW - > Andre
Link - > Andre
Root - > Andre
Oa - > Andre
MW - > Root
Andre - > Root
Link - > Root
Oa - > Root

These are the possible leader pairs for invalidating checks. Now, this means that the leader being recruited must have targeted shock N0 and a very inactive w3 N1. Do you really think either Root or Andre would have done that?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 08:38:53 pm
There are also the worlds where two people both recruited a very inactive w3 N1, but those are even more ridiculous.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 08:44:00 pm
im noticing that lynchlog is actually usefull here.

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (1) - MasterWalks

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
RootRanger (1) - MasterWalks
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) worldwideweb3
Mobian (1) kaempfer13

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
Linkcat (1) - worldwideweb3
Mobian (2) - kaempfer13, RootRanger

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Mobian (2) - kaempfer13, RootRanger

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Mobian (2) - kaempfer13, RootRanger
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon

Cool64Kid (1) - Mobian
kaempfer13 (1) - Linkcat
Linkcat (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Mobian (3) - kaempfer13, RootRanger, andretimpa
No Lynch (1) - shockcannon

Linkcat (1) - MasterWalks
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon

Linkcat (3) - MasterWalks, andretimpa, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat

Linkcat (4) - MasterWalks, andretimpa, kaempfer13, RootRanger
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat

Linkcat (4) - MasterWalks, andretimpa, kaempfer13, RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (1) - Linkcat

Linkcat (3) - MasterWalks, kaempfer13, RootRanger
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (2) - Linkcat, andretimpa


Linkcat (2) - MasterWalks, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (3) - Linkcat, andretimpa, RootRanger

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 08:56:11 pm
N2 claims
kae: timpa not cultist
Link: Root not cultist
timpa: kae not cultist

Doing it from my POV

MW - > Andre (timpa leader)
MW - > Link (contradicted by vote)
MW - > Root (ditto, also requires Root leader or link fake claim)
MW - > CK (questionable)
MW - > Oa (ok sure)

Andre - > MW (contradicted by vote)
Andre - > Link (not contradicted by votes, but still stupid)
Andre - > Root (requires Root leader or link fake claim)
Andre - > CK (questionable)
Andre - > Oa (sure)

Link - > MW (contradicted hard)
Link - > Andre (timpa leader) maybe not even an option, Link is smart enough to see leader between timpa and me in that case and would act differently
Link - > Root (no way)
Link - > CK (questionable)
Link - > Oa (sure)
Link - > Missed (sure)

Root - > MW (contradicted by vote)
Root - > Andre (timpa leader)
Root - > Link (no)
Root - > CK (questionable)
Root - > Oa (sure)
CK - > MW (sure)
CK - > Andre (timpa leader)
CK - > Link (ballsy)
CK - > Root (requires Root leader or link fake claim)
CK - > Oa (sure)
Oa - > MW (sure)
Oa - > Andre (timpa leader)
Oa - > Link (ballsy)
Oa - > Root (requires Root leader or link fake claim)
Oa - > CK (questionable)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:02:10 pm
Can we please just not consider any options with coolkid? Nobody's that bad at picking targets and I'd sooner believe serp would roll no leaders than roll coolkid a leader. There's no way to tell anyway.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 09:06:53 pm
well i would expect ck to either miss n1 or pick someone active simply due to lack of attention, but i want to work with semihard facts when taking the distance from my initial reads.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 09:09:02 pm
interestingly, leader Oa is almost guaranteed to pick MW of all people. And it would fly way over his head that he's suddenly the lynch.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:12:51 pm
Look, if we take out the grays, yellows, and the ones with coolkid then you end up with the same exact list I have. I'm just trying to find common ground with you so we can look at all the reasonable worlds.

MW - > Oa (ok sure)
Andre - > Oa (sure)
Link - > Oa (sure)
Link - > Missed (sure)
Root - > Oa (sure)
Oa - > MW (sure)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 09:18:22 pm
Which means that a check on Oa or MW would be invaluable. But just because Oa was an attempted recruit, doesnt mean it was successfull. Alas, we dont get another chance to check without losing I wager and both of those were not the focus.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:25:24 pm
Okay, that's one half of the world. One of those pairs is for N1, and the leader recruited w3 N0. The other half of the world is someone who recruited shock N0 and inactive w3 N1. Who trolled hard enough to do it? I think it was MW, Root thinks it was me. What's your ranking?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 09:27:34 pm
I would consider you, Oa and MW capable of it. maybe timpa as a longshot. Root def not that half of the world.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:29:54 pm
Which means that a check on Oa or MW would be invaluable. But just because Oa was an attempted recruit, doesnt mean it was successfull. Alas, we dont get another chance to check without losing I wager and both of those were not the focus.

Yeah, I'll consider Oa leader worlds as well.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:35:21 pm
MW - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3

MW - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3

Andre - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3

Andre - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3

Andre - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3

Root - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3

Root - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3

Root - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3

Oa - > w3, MW
Link - > shock, w3

Oa - > w3, MW
MW - > shock, w3

Link - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3

Link - > w3, Missed
Oa - > shock, w3
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:44:04 pm
World followed by current teams

MW - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     LINK shock +1

MW - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     OA shock +1

Andre - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, LINK shock +1

Andre - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, shock

Andre - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     ANDRE +1, OA shock +1

Root - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     ROOT oa +1, LINK shock +1

Root - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     ROOT oa +1, shock

Root - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     ROOT +1, OA shock +1

Oa - > w3, MW
Link - > shock, w3     OA +1, LINK shock +1

Oa - > w3, MW
MW - > shock, w3     OA +1, shock

Link - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     LINK oa +1, shock

Link - > w3, Missed
Oa - > shock, w3     LINK +1, OA shock +1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:45:25 pm
Now I remember why I've never tried to do this before.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:49:40 pm
Andre - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, LINK shock +1

Andre - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, shock

Andre - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     ANDRE +1, OA shock +1

I think we can get rid of these? Like I don't see andre picking those targets.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:52:48 pm
Missed two of my worlds.

MW - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     LINK shock +1

MW - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     OA shock +1

Andre - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, LINK shock +1

Andre - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, shock

Andre - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     ANDRE +1, OA shock +1

Root - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     ROOT oa +1, LINK shock +1

Root - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     ROOT oa +1, shock

Root - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     ROOT +1, OA shock +1

Oa - > w3, MW
Link - > shock, w3     OA +1, LINK shock +1

Oa - > w3, MW
MW - > shock, w3     OA +1, shock

Link - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     LINK oa +1, shock

Link - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     LINK +1, OA shock +1

Link - > w3, Missed
MW - > shock, w3     LINK +1, shock

Link - > w3, Missed
Oa - > shock, w3     LINK +1, OA shock +1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 09:54:12 pm
Andre - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, LINK shock +1

Andre - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, shock

Andre - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     ANDRE +1, OA shock +1

I think we can get rid of these? Like I don't see andre picking those targets.

actually they are decently reasonable. He didnt have to recruit Root or me  to be favoured by us and you were going down, leaving only mw and oa for n1 (and ck). w3 isnt that unreasonable a target early on either.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 09:57:22 pm
Right, w3 N0 was a fine pick. It's N1 Oa that's kind of bad. At that point you already know w3 is inactive, so you'd have to be pretty confident to pick a second inactive.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 10:07:10 pm
I was still just shitposting at this point, but these targets aren't nearly as funny as my other worlds. You okay with getting rid of these?

Link - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     LINK oa +1, shock

Link - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     LINK +1, OA shock +1
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 10:11:39 pm
Andre, you caught up yet?

Two hours left, at this point it might be worth trying for a 24h extension, as much as my brain will hurt by dragging this out longer.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 10:15:44 pm
We have a day left. However, considering you had basically wasted 4 early and ck and oa are seriously out of the loop, we might still need more time.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 10:31:09 pm
The more I think about it, the worse a N1 Oa target gets. I've been considering his whole post history for targets, but the timeline doesn't add up. He only had 3 useless posts at that point, there's no way to get anywhere near a non leader read. Considering that's my only viable world, I have a proposal for serp. We take a vote on whether there are no cult leaders in this game. If we're right, the game ends and we all win.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 08, 2022, 10:37:55 pm
The more I think about it, the worse a N1 Oa target gets. I've been considering his whole post history for targets, but the timeline doesn't add up. He only had 3 useless posts at that point, there's no way to get anywhere near a non leader read. Considering that's my only viable world, I have a proposal for serp. We take a vote on whether there are no cult leaders in this game. If we're right, the game ends and we all win.

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 10:40:34 pm
Are there cult leaders in this game

Yes (1) - RootRanger
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 08, 2022, 10:43:05 pm
Hold up! so everyone wins if we correctly guess that there are any cultleaders at all?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 08, 2022, 10:44:27 pm
There are no cult leaders (1) - Linkcat
There are cult leaders (1) - RootRanger


It's the perfect setup to do it in, too. There are zero public checks for cult leaders, he can just make random people cult members and take the game all the way to f3.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 08, 2022, 10:59:13 pm
I think we can cross any words where Oa gets recruited N1 or CK gets recruited at all. I wouldn't put it past serp to make CK a leader tho.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 08, 2022, 11:09:44 pm
There are no cult leaders (2) - Linkcat, andretimpa
There are cult leaders (1) - RootRanger
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 08, 2022, 11:20:23 pm
I think we can cross any words where Oa gets recruited N1 or CK gets recruited at all. I wouldn't put it past serp to make CK a leader tho.
How do you feel about the scenario of Linkcat as leader? My long post earlier is a strong case for it imo
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 03:03:05 am
So I kind of burned out earlier plus had other stuff to do. When I wake up I hope to see two more votes for no leaders and the game over, honestly that's my prevailing theory right now. All other worlds are even dumber.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 09, 2022, 05:28:32 am
There are no cult leaders (2) - Linkcat, andretimpa
There are cult leaders (2) - RootRanger, shockcannon


Although if there are cult leaders remaining then it really doesn't matter what we vote for right?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: PlayerOa on April 09, 2022, 10:18:52 am
Imagine recruiting me, McInactive this week, for your team, lmao. Although I got alibi for staying offline I’d rather grab someone *somewhat* productive.

I would imagine it’s sensible to believe I’m leader, though. I don’t really feel caught up with the thread. Linkcat seems to have a good grasp of the current situation from how I view it.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 01:08:47 pm
If you mean that and you're not a leader then put your vote on no cultists.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 09, 2022, 01:17:37 pm
Don't listen to Linkcat, he's trying to trick town. Cult leaders obviously aren't going to be punished for fooling town to give up on looking for cult leaders
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 09, 2022, 02:32:09 pm
I think we can cross any words where Oa gets recruited N1 or CK gets recruited at all. I wouldn't put it past serp to make CK a leader tho.
How do you feel about the scenario of Linkcat as leader? My long post earlier is a strong case for it imo

My main thing against it is that I originally read Link`s PM post

I have two confessions to make.

First, I haven't read my role pm yet. (for obvious reasons)

Second, I don't actually like eating eggs by themselves.

If you choose to lynch me for these heresies, I will humbly accept my fate.

as meaning he hadn`t read a PM because he got none. The interpretation that he actually got a PM came from MW

Lmao. You gotta PM? 90% sure that means you a cultist. 8 people didn't get pms... because they're town cops

and Mobian pilling up

I have two confessions to make.

First, I haven't read my role pm yet. (for obvious reasons)

Second, I don't actually like eating eggs by themselves.

If you choose to lynch me for these heresies, I will humbly accept my fate.

I guess we know who one of the cult leaders is.... Only leaders got PMs, after all.

I think Link read the rules beforehand and was just making a joke here.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 09, 2022, 02:38:16 pm
@Root But suppose Link is one of the leaders, who is your guess for the second one?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 04:17:13 pm
I've had more time to think about things (and not get recruited last night), and the case for lynching Linkcat is just as strong as before.

In a standard format, there's no reason for anyone, regardless of role, to claim that they're scum, as Linkcat has been doing. So you can chalk it up to shitposting. The difference with this format is that in the endgame, the leaders will potentially need to convince other players of their identity. For example, if the remaining 3 players in the final day phase include 1 civ, 1 cultist, and 1 leader, this isn't necessarily gg. If the remaining civ can be convincing enough, they can get the cultist to lynch their own leader. This is the sort of scenario where repeatedly broadcasting that you're a leader from the start of the game would be helpful. I think Linkcat was just counting on nobody realizing this, or nobody getting the votes to actually lynch him.

So what's the full picture look like? Linkcat is a leader, probably on the Big team given the early breadcrumb. We can hope the other leader is MW, and I think the odds of that aren't too bad given how hard he was gunning for me. Plus, the fact that nobody died in the night phase strengthens the case that there is only 1 leader remaining. At most, Linkcat has 2 cultists on the Big team, and there's 1 remaining cultist on the Little team who is probably (but not necessarily) leaderless. This means 3 people who want Linkcat to live and 4 people who want Linkcat to die. So, we can win this with a 4-3 vote. In the best case scenario, Linkcat only has 1 cultist on his team, meaning it should be a 5-2 vote, so we have a margin of error in case people are inactive.

If Linkcat was telling the truth about his second target not going through, that leaves him with only 1 cultist - whoever he recruited last night. I think this is most likely to be kaempfer, given how he switched gears overnight to vote on PlayerOa instead of Linkcat. This leaves shockcannon as the Little team cultist, with no leader lol, but his incentive is to still vote for Linkcat such that he can win in the event that his leader is still alive.

So, that's that.

PlayerOa (1) - kaempfer13
Linkcat (1) - RootRanger

I kind of ignored this post because I already considered Root as leader at that time, but this is a pretty weak argument. Broadcasting as many mixed signals as I have makes any leader claim much less believable. The correct way to play as leader is to drop one or two solid breadcrumbs per cultist without any extra noise. The way I played the first half of the game was terrible as any faction, there's no way to tell the difference other than which faction you think I'd be more likely to throw as. And that's it, that's his entire basis for this lynch. He's barely even talked about anyone else, he's just pushing what he thinks is the easiest lynch.

He voted against no leaders, a clear anti-town move because there's no downside to eliminating the option. He also never claimed his N2 target, another anti-town move. Even if it's a duplicate it will increase the confidence in the check. I just can't see you as town right now, whether there are leaders or not.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 09, 2022, 05:59:35 pm
Linkcat (2) - MasterWalks, kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (1) - shockcannon
MasterWalks (3) - Linkcat, andretimpa, RootRanger

This is so stupid. I still think Linkcat is one of the most likely scum, but MW is intent on lynching me which will probably lose the game given the tight margins we're under. And MW is a good scum candidate too so it's not an awful lynch.
Actually, I found this post much more offensive, though its easily handwaved through a logical failure. As town eliminating a town that will missvote is at best equal to hitting scum. Meanwhile if both MW and Linkcat are scum the order doesnt really matter as MWs vote wasnt gonna help town either way. In that case the vote should go where you are confident. Things are different when you are a leader or plan on becoming a cultist ofc (though the latter is barely affected by a single missvoting town).
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 09, 2022, 06:02:02 pm
Root being scum also opens up the possibility that shock is an even bigger troll than we thought, though that makes for 2 missed cultists, which is even less likely.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 09, 2022, 06:15:24 pm
Root being scum also opens up the possibility that shock is an even bigger troll than we thought, though that makes for 2 missed cultists, which is even less likely.

Not if Root was the one to get shock
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 09, 2022, 07:06:08 pm
That's a big brain move. Root as leader recruiting me, then claiming that he investigated me and saw cultist. Game winning play right there.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 09, 2022, 07:15:51 pm
My main thing against it is that I originally read Link`s PM post
That's not really that significant of a part of my case against Linkcat. What's most important is the breadcrumb post where he suggested being the leader of the Big team. Why would he do that otherwise?

@Root But suppose Link is one of the leaders, who is your guess for the second one?
MW. I think the best explanation for why he was trying so hard to lynch me is that he's a leader. It makes sense because he can know for a fact that I'm not on his team, as he never recruited me. For anyone else, there's ambiguity about my role from their perspective. So, it makes more sense to try to actually figure out what's going on instead of slamming one person over and over again based on fragile reasoning.

I kind of ignored this post because I already considered Root as leader at that time, but this is a pretty weak argument. Broadcasting as many mixed signals as I have makes any leader claim much less believable. The correct way to play as leader is to drop one or two solid breadcrumbs per cultist without any extra noise. The way I played the first half of the game was terrible as any faction, there's no way to tell the difference other than which faction you think I'd be more likely to throw as. And that's it, that's his entire basis for this lynch. He's barely even talked about anyone else, he's just pushing what he thinks is the easiest lynch.
Dude you haven't been broadcasting mixed signals, you've been broadcasting that you're the leader of the Big team. I've talked about this the most because it's the most compelling evidence. The only other role I know with a higher level of confidence is that shock is a cultist, but I'm not lynching him because that wouldn't make any sense.

He voted against no leaders, a clear anti-town move because there's no downside to eliminating the option.
Ok, so you think that not only serprex is running a bastard mafia, and there's nothing disrespectful about creating a sham vote to state this, but also that the sham vote actually means something?

He also never claimed his N2 target, another anti-town move. Even if it's a duplicate it will increase the confidence in the check. I just can't see you as town right now, whether there are leaders or not.
That's something you consider suspicious? I hadn't claimed my target yet because it doesn't actually matter if I'm correct about there being no new cultists resulting from N1 targets. If you care that much, my target was that andre is civ.

Actually, I found this post much more offensive, though its easily handwaved through a logical failure. As town eliminating a town that will missvote is at best equal to hitting scum. Meanwhile if both MW and Linkcat are scum the order doesnt really matter as MWs vote wasnt gonna help town either way. In that case the vote should go where you are confident. Things are different when you are a leader or plan on becoming a cultist ofc (though the latter is barely affected by a single missvoting town).
My hypothesis is that MW targeted shock in N0 then w3 in N1, while Linkcat targeted w3 in N0 and missed his target in N1. A few nuances about this to consider:

1. MW had a cultist on his team (shockcannon) while Linkcat didn't. This made MW the higher priority threat, all else being equal.
2. We weren't going to actually learn anything from our N2 targets because there weren't any new cultists added in N1. Every target was going to turn up civ. So, the fact that I considered MW to probably be the second most likely leader was sufficient for a lynch.
3. MW was set on lynching me after Linkcat. If he got his way, that would win the game for his faction. There would be 6 players remaining, and he would have new cultists from N2 and N3, to give him a 4-2 vote majority. Like I said, tight margins. You can make the case that he wouldn't be successful in his attempt to lynch me, but why risk it?

That's a big brain move. Root as leader recruiting me, then claiming that he investigated me and saw cultist. Game winning play right there.
Not what happened but we still both have the same incentive to vote Linkcat. If my hypothesis is correct, Linkcat is the Big team leader and you're a Little team cultist.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 09, 2022, 08:01:06 pm
24 hour extension(2) Linkcat, kaempfer13
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 09, 2022, 08:53:28 pm
N2 claims
kae: timpa not cultist
Link: Root not cultist
timpa: kae not cultist

Doing it from my POV

MW - > Andre (timpa leader)
MW - > Link (contradicted by vote)
MW - > Root (ditto, also requires Root leader or link fake claim)
MW - > CK (questionable)
MW - > Oa (ok sure)

Andre - > MW (contradicted by vote)
Andre - > Link (not contradicted by votes, but still stupid)
Andre - > Root (requires Root leader or link fake claim)
Andre - > CK (questionable)
Andre - > Oa (sure)

Link - > MW (contradicted hard)
Link - > Andre (timpa leader) maybe not even an option, Link is smart enough to see leader between timpa and me in that case and would act differently
Link - > Root (no way)
Link - > CK (questionable)
Link - > Oa (sure)
Link - > Missed (sure)

Root - > MW (contradicted by vote)
Root - > Andre (timpa leader)
Root - > Link (no)
Root - > CK (questionable)
Root - > Oa (sure)
CK - > MW (sure)
CK - > Andre (timpa leader)
CK - > Link (ballsy)
CK - > Root (requires Root leader or link fake claim)
CK - > Oa (sure)
Oa - > MW (sure)
Oa - > Andre (timpa leader)
Oa - > Link (ballsy)
Oa - > Root (requires Root leader or link fake claim)
Oa - > CK (questionable)

Geez, any sensible recruiting strategy from at least 1 leader pretty much requires a fizzle. But if they have half a brain they would have switched gears after getting the fizzle confirmed, though theyd have to do it subtly. Ofc a Linkderp would explain a fizzle with no followup, that does however mean that the other leader is the one with the insane recruitment strategy.
Semicredible scenarios are:
Link and Oa with Oa recruiting mw and then being very surprised to find him dead, while link just trolls his way through or completely fails his recruitment. Actually mw really didnt act like a cultist with him sticking to his genuine Link read, so not even that scenario works all that well. Leaving Link genuinely failing and oa doing the troll picks. Shock and him have actually worked well together before, so its not impossible, but picking w3 after it was clear he was equally inactive is also weird.
any scenario with root in it requires a very unexpected recruitment strategy, though I suppose neither andre nor I were particularly dangerous to him, so maybe w3 and then another inactive is credible (Link obv not an option for recruitment).
I suppose andre really wouldnt need to recruit either Root or me and yet be safe, but he just doesnt behave like a leader (and also he probably should have picked mw instead of surprise lynching him).
ck, as I said, would either miss the recruitment (it does sound as though he was unaware abilities could be used at all until way late) or even just at random pick someone active, simply due to barely being aware of the others playing the game.
Oa in isolation also doesnt make much sense. Mw seemed a sensible recruit, but he just didnt act like it. Meaning Oa made a completely useless squad or recruited a leader that had been investigated.

Link triggered me too many times to ignore, but a 2nd leader would be acting way outside expectations. Not to mention that the number of people acting like cultists right now seems too low.

There are no cult leaders (3) - Linkcat, andretimpa, kaempfer13
There are cult leaders (2) - RootRanger, shockcannon

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 09, 2022, 09:02:09 pm
I suppose i didnt address Mobian/mw containing a leader. Both is obv not possible as the game is going. Mobian would explain why we cant seem to find a 3rd cultist, but he absolutely should have picked MW as cultist (came up town for me), as that was the basis for my whole case and it couldnt have been both as stated before.
MW doing insane stuff is absolutely plausible. To the point that I believe him swapping me and root was a genuine derp. Still, the whole affair around Root with him was a bit sus. Hm.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 10:37:49 pm
My main thing against it is that I originally read Link`s PM post
That's not really that significant of a part of my case against Linkcat. What's most important is the breadcrumb post where he suggested being the leader of the Big team. Why would he do that otherwise?

I kind of ignored this post because I already considered Root as leader at that time, but this is a pretty weak argument. Broadcasting as many mixed signals as I have makes any leader claim much less believable. The correct way to play as leader is to drop one or two solid breadcrumbs per cultist without any extra noise. The way I played the first half of the game was terrible as any faction, there's no way to tell the difference other than which faction you think I'd be more likely to throw as. And that's it, that's his entire basis for this lynch. He's barely even talked about anyone else, he's just pushing what he thinks is the easiest lynch.
Dude you haven't been broadcasting mixed signals, you've been broadcasting that you're the leader of the Big team. I've talked about this the most because it's the most compelling evidence. The only other role I know with a higher level of confidence is that shock is a cultist, but I'm not lynching him because that wouldn't make any sense.

So now you're saying your whole case against me is based on the fact that I used the word big in a post? Come on, man. Big and little are common words, I'll prove it to you. Here's some other instances of those words that aren't buried in long posts.

@shock, plz dissect Kae's big ass post. There's something in that post and idk what it is.

@Mobian, you should tunnel on the Cool64Kid. Make them talk a lot so we can get a read on em.

@Timpa, post something so I can tunnel you

@kae explain your RootRanger read plz. I'm getting big scum reads on him

I'll give a better breakdown when I'm off work in 4 hours or so, but the just of my scumread on him:
He's playing judge on people's post. He keeps claiming x person is making good posts, without actually making a helpful one himself. He's sitting back, getting just enough posts to not get heat for inactivity but isn't saying much. The post you quoted with his 2 questions is the only legitimate post he's made. The first question is dumb af. That's a burner question because the answer cannot be known and there's only 3 options for answers.
The second question has started good discussion on what town should do, but tbh I'm reading more as he wants to know what town will do. If he's leader, and we agreed that we will expose a cultist on discovery, he could totally doc himself one day by exposing his own cultist. He's my biggest natural scumread, where as Link is the biggest most possible scumread due to obvious reasons. At this stage, I'm willing to bet leaders are Link and Root. I have no reads for cultists but I don't think cultists matter yet.

You wouldn't be voting me right now if my attempt to convert you wasn't 6 minutes late, which I found out just now because I haven't been paying attention to deadlines at all. I would have let it go through, I guess serp just likes to watch me suffer. Anyway, I'm trying to win this game solely through shitposting, so please don't lynch me thanks.


Linkcat (2) - MasterWalks, andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat

I already gave my accusation earlier, looks like shock was the only one big brained enough to see it.

That's probably the nicest you've been to me about a big post  :D

Convinced or not, I'd love to hear a better alternative leader.

That's a big brain move. Root as leader recruiting me, then claiming that he investigated me and saw cultist. Game winning play right there.

I don't negotiate with noobs.

Kiddo, I won the last game, even after being abandoned by my teammate. I won the last war too. Run your little word game again and I'll win that.
Do you see noob in my name anymore? Nah cuh, I've grown.

What's the point of having power if you can't use it for good? It's the little things that truly matter in life.

im a little confused by all this cult terminology. Is there 3 teams, town cult1 cult2?

Anyways, as a truly civilized person, I do not condone the personal cracking of eggs at all! Nay, for I believe that all eggs must be purchased in carton form, for easy pouring onto the frying pan.
Plz tell me this is an April Fool's joke. This is so so wrong. This is actually offensive.
You can't make eggs with yolk, wtf is the point then. Are you 5years old and only eat scrambled eggs?
You can't separate your whites from yolks for baking. You have to buy separate cartons for that. Consumerism at its finest.
You don't get egg shells for compost. I guess if your buying carton eggs, you don't care for freshness anyways.
You have little to no variety. Supposed to be farm fresh for fried eggs and industrial eggs for baking. All you get is industrial.
Hard boiled eggs? Poached eggs? Over easy? Hollandaise sauce? You miss out on so much goodness, might as well just go vegan...

Now I'm just never going to read this out of spite.

(https://gyazo.com/594c4049769cc1d10c536bfc5975fdc3.png)
Is this even legal?
So let me get this straight, you actually had received a pm on the day a game started where the role may require (in order to not throw) to open your inbox within the first (rl) day and never read it?

Its been to long that ive used my inbox without immediately reading everything, is it even possible to open the inbox and have pms marked as unread after?

1. Idk, probably not.

2. Of course I sent in a target for each possible role, I can still do that without checking my inbox.

3. No, but after I asked Naii to send me a pm I freaked out a little when I saw his name above the thread. Lucky for me he rescinded his signup.

Then that's a really shit claim because you're just copying the only reported target.
Yea obv.
On mobile so I can't breakdown your book of a post, but you quite literally swapped your name for my name when talking about shit posting the picks. I broke it down the same way.
First of all, as a leader, I would target kae or Andre N0. Kae knows how I scum play so he would be able to tell. Id chose Andre because you have to much passive scum to you you're too risky at being lynched.
Putting me in low when I fricken win last game and got voted best player is just rude. Lemme bask in my glory. Also, give me an icon for that, i deserve it.
To shitpost your way through the entire game then get pretty darn defensive when you're on the rope, that's a major scum thing to do. I know as a town or cultist you would absolutely continue with the shitposting right until death. I would expect this behavior from shock or w3 but not you. Also you bending the rules pretty damn hard by editing someone else's post and screenshotting your inbox notification even furthers your chance of being leader. You being modkilled D1 as a leader would give the game to Root (most likely). Serp might be bastard mod this game, but I think he'd still want to preserve a fair-ish game and that means not mod killing a leader.
That's enough of my defense, on to your other reads.
I agree Mobian would probably recruit me if he was leader. He wouldn't recruit shock unless Mobian didn't understand rules. And I think he understands them enough to not do that. Mobian died a townie and I think we all agree on that.
I would not recruit shock with this playgroup. Too often he is policy lynched. Especially as a N0 recruit when Mobian is in game and would obsess with policy lynching shock. Kae as a leader also wouldn't recruit shock. Too much of a chance shock tries to get kae killed later, and he definitely wouldn't be quiet if he knew kae recruited him. That leaves either A) you recruited him or B) a noob like CoolKid did, since they wouldn't know what a shockcannon is. I lean on you doing it for shitpost reasons.
A kae leader would probably recruit Root or Andre. Kae has actually been kinda open to lynching Root so that lowers the possibility there. I am interested in hearing if Andre was investigated and what the result was, but I'm not seeing a leader Kae. If you truly believe kae is a leader with me, why not jump on him now? He gets a little funny and prone to mistakes when he has a decent amount of pressure on him.

In fact, since MW used it four times and I used it twice, I'll just say that MW is the big end cult leader. Bam, game solved. This is silly.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 10:47:13 pm
He voted against no leaders, a clear anti-town move because there's no downside to eliminating the option.
Ok, so you think that not only serprex is running a bastard mafia, and there's nothing disrespectful about creating a sham vote to state this, but also that the sham vote actually means something?

1. It's serprex, I wouldn't put it past him. I even told him to run one when he asked for setup ideas.
2. No, how is that disrespectful? The game was posted on April Fool's, it's a real possibility and would save us a lot of headache.
3. I at least trust him to keep his word.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 09, 2022, 10:51:31 pm
Linkcat (2) - RootRanger, kaempfer13
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
andretimpa (1) - shockcannon

Is this the most recent tally?

@Link After thinking through the different scenarios I kept returning to "Why did Link defend Oa so much?" It seems to me no one was buying kae's argument anyways
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 10:54:02 pm
He also never claimed his N2 target, another anti-town move. Even if it's a duplicate it will increase the confidence in the check. I just can't see you as town right now, whether there are leaders or not.
That's something you consider suspicious? I hadn't claimed my target yet because it doesn't actually matter if I'm correct about there being no new cultists resulting from N1 targets. If you care that much, my target was that andre is civ.

Of course, withholding hard information at endgame is always anti town, no matter how small. That's a terrible reason too, even if you think it's irrelevant, the rest of the players were using these checks to help solve. The only reason anyone would want to withhold it would be to make it a dupe and leave holes for other players to doubt.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 09, 2022, 10:58:11 pm
Also tbh, the only reason I voted that there are no leaders is that I prefer I think that is more likely than someone recruiting shock and afk!w3 (that's wild even for MW)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:14:56 pm
Linkcat (2) - RootRanger, kaempfer13
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
andretimpa (1) - shockcannon

Is this the most recent tally?

@Link After thinking through the different scenarios I kept returning to "Why did Link defend Oa so much?" It seems to me no one was buying kae's argument anyways

If you look through my logic you'll see that it's because I was forced to believe he was a cultist, with the only other somewhat viable option being Oa recruiting MW, which I disregarded because of my non leader read on Oa. However, I've thought about that more since I ran through those worlds yesterday. The basis for my non leader read on Oa is that he was the first to claim his N1 check. However, if he actually is a leader and was paying enough attention to the game, it can make sense. At the time he claimed, he knew that two of the four recruits were on w3, and one was probably on shock. If shock was recruited by the other leader (MW), then the only other recruit would be Oa's N1 target MW, so all he would have to do is pick any other member and say they were town, and he'd be guaranteed to be right. Choosing the same person that MW talked about could also be his way of crumbing. That leaves his N2 target as his only cultist, which could be either andre or Root, probably andre since he hasn't been doing much today and you and Root would be more likely to go ahead and lynch me. With how bad a N1 Oa target is, this world is looking better and better.

Oa - > w3, MW
MW - > shock, w3     OA +1, shock
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:16:48 pm
Looks like we got the whole crew online now. Oa, if you're not a leader, go and put your vote on no leaders.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 09, 2022, 11:20:01 pm
@Link, thoughts about MW sticking to his scumreads without hesitation after supposedly getting recruited?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 09, 2022, 11:20:30 pm
Looks like we got the whole crew online now. Oa, if you're not a leader, go and put your vote on no leaders.

Minus cool64kid
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 09, 2022, 11:21:22 pm
oh nvm, he was leader in that theory
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:24:51 pm
@Link, thoughts about MW sticking to his scumreads without hesitation after supposedly getting recruited?

In the worlds where he was targeted N1, it would have to be by Oa. Either he'd be a leader and would have no reason to change, or I would be the other leader which I obviously don't think is the case.

Oa - > w3, MW
Link - > shock, w3     OA +1, LINK shock +1

Oa - > w3, MW
MW - > shock, w3     OA +1, shock

(If coolkid recruited MW then just kill me, I guess.)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:36:25 pm
Summary of worlds

MW - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     LINK shock +1

MW - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     OA shock +1


Not very likely

Andre - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, LINK shock +1

Andre - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     ANDRE oa +1, shock

Andre - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     ANDRE +1, OA shock +1


People have said he's not acting like a leader, I tend to agree. (Andre would also agree)

Root - > w3, Oa
Link - > shock, w3     ROOT oa +1, LINK shock +1


Not enough people will ever agree on this

Root - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     ROOT oa +1, shock      My world at start of day

Root - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     ROOT +1, OA shock +1       I guess it's possible?

Oa - > w3, MW
Link - > shock, w3     OA +1, LINK shock +1       One of kaempfer's worlds at start of day

Oa - > w3, MW
MW - > shock, w3     OA +1, shock          My world right now

Link - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     LINK oa +1, shock       One of kaempfer's worlds at start of day

Link - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     LINK +1, OA shock +1           One of kaempfer's worlds at start of day

Link - > w3, Missed
MW - > shock, w3     LINK +1, shock         Root's world right now

Link - > w3, Missed
Oa - > shock, w3     LINK +1, OA shock +1      One of kaempfer's worlds at start of day
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:41:18 pm
Are we in agreement that I probably missed my N1 rather than hit Oa? Just to simplify. (I don't really see any of my cultists around)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:43:16 pm
I guess this doesn't include worlds from andre/Root that don't have kaempfer clear, let me know if you guys have any.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:46:43 pm
Root - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     ROOT oa +1, shock      My world at start of day

Root - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     ROOT +1, OA shock +1       I guess it's possible?

Link - > w3, Oa
MW - > shock, w3     LINK oa +1, shock       One of kaempfer's worlds at start of day

Link - > w3, Oa
Oa - > shock, w3     LINK +1, OA shock +1           One of kaempfer's worlds at start of day

These worlds all suck btw, they require both leaders to have recruited almost complete inactives.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:48:07 pm
That leaves these as the most viable from a general point of view.

Oa - > w3, MW
Link - > shock, w3     OA +1, LINK shock +1       One of kaempfer's worlds at start of day

Oa - > w3, MW
MW - > shock, w3     OA +1, shock          My world right now

Link - > w3, Missed
MW - > shock, w3     LINK +1, shock         Root's world right now

Link - > w3, Missed
Oa - > shock, w3     LINK +1, OA shock +1      One of kaempfer's worlds at start of day

Damn, 3/4 of these include me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 09, 2022, 11:51:04 pm
Linkcat (3) - RootRanger, kaempfer13, andretimpa
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
andretimpa (1) - shockcannon

I think there's a leader between Link and Root, but I'm not gonna tie the vote.

in b4 coolkid is a leader
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:52:05 pm
But 3/4 also have Oa, I guess what I'm saying is that this was a fucking lie.

I have a strong townread on you that's continued from yesterday, so I know for a fact that Oa was recruited on N1. I will never ever vote Oa this game.

Linkcat (3) - RootRanger, kaempfer13, andretimpa
andretimpa (1) - shockcannon
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat

Damn, ninja'd by andre.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 09, 2022, 11:53:11 pm
Thats what you get  for trolling for 2 days straight and missing your action. That said im retracting my vote on Link for the time being.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:53:46 pm
Linkcat (2) - RootRanger, andretimpa
andretimpa (1) - shockcannon
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:54:32 pm
I'm going to be pissed if I was right at start of day and I did all this work just to be wrong.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:54:54 pm
Linkcat (3) - RootRanger, kaempfer13, andretimpa
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
andretimpa (1) - shockcannon

I think there's a leader between Link and Root, but I'm not gonna tie the vote.

in b4 coolkid is a leader

Logic? + targets for the world?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:55:39 pm
The fact that Oa noped out after checking the thread is a hilariously bad look.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 09, 2022, 11:56:14 pm
about the attempted action though, in what world would i turn up a cultist before that night anyways?

Can more ppl please vote for extension?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:56:20 pm
Oh yeah, Root did that too.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:57:33 pm
And shock just doesn't give a fuck I guess. I guess andre is confirmed cultist too?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:58:30 pm
Idk man, it's you and me against the world.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 09, 2022, 11:59:45 pm
I vote andre. Hope for a random lynch kae!!!
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 10, 2022, 12:00:06 am
Linkcat (3) - RootRanger, kaempfer13, andretimpa
RootRanger (1) - Linkcat
andretimpa (1) - shockcannon

I think there's a leader between Link and Root, but I'm not gonna tie the vote.

in b4 coolkid is a leader

Logic? + targets for the world?

Either
Link: shock, w3
?: w3, (MW or Oa)

or
?: shock, w3
Link: w3, Oa

All I got is that you didn't target MW in N1 from votingn patterns
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 12:00:56 am
gg
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 10, 2022, 12:02:20 am
I vote andre. Hope for a random lynch kae!!!

CK sipping his wine in the background
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 12:02:56 am
I miscounted votes. It's not gg yet.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 10, 2022, 12:03:59 am
Tally

Linkcat (2) - RootRanger, andretimpa
andretimpa (2) - shockcannon, Linkcat
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 10, 2022, 12:09:47 am
tl;dr little endian wins

So, by RNG cool64kid was lynched

But, there was a side bet about cult leaders

There were two cult leaders: Mobian & RootRanger

Linkcat & kaempf: you lose for voting that there were no cult leaders

timpa: your cult won! winners don't lose

Incidentally, the two people voting that there were cult leaders were little endian

RootRanger, shockcannon, & timpa win

Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 12:10:48 am
FUCK YOU
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 10, 2022, 12:10:52 am
Wait what?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 12:13:49 am
Nothing mattered, we were fucked from the beginning.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 10, 2022, 12:17:05 am
Nothing mattered, we were fucked from the beginning.

At least you were right, until you thought too hard about Oa.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 10, 2022, 12:17:24 am
RootRanger: shock, www3, timpa
Mobian: www3
kaempfer13: mw, timpa
Linkcat: miss, rr (also N0 target on shock)
andretimpa: www3, kaempfer
PlayerOa: rr, miss
MasterWalks: rr
coolkid64: miss, miss
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 10, 2022, 12:20:30 am
I guess thats why root was so sure that link would be in the big one. Not like I was gonna guess that I was actually correct on Mobian and he just changed his mind on targetting and despite supposedly not ragequitting still was leader. Also why the hell pick shock? Only reason would be that exact reaction from me.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 10, 2022, 12:21:03 am
Root kinda let slip that he was faking claims when he implied I gave back "British" on check on www3. Rules state you can investigate corpses; indeed, timpa did just that. But then Root changed his story & nobody called him out on it

Amusingly town made a big mistake by killing Mobian D1. Making it cult vs town is just losing (imagine Root doesn't whiff N1 by targeting www3..)

Near as I can tell, town has two strategies:

- kill a cultist & then work with their cult, because cult vs cult bigger cult just wins; smaller cult must cooperate with town
- kill a townie, which means one less person who might be recruited instead of you

But don't kill cult leaders. They're your ticket to a feasible win condition

Which is to say, this format was excessively troll
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 10, 2022, 12:24:53 am
(I may've screwed up by not having this grind out, for example by having final three oa/root/shock (which tbf ends with cult win on daybreak after Root targets Oa), but this game got thrown out the window when the no cult leader vote emerged, since it would effectively give town a bunch of extra lynches)
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 10, 2022, 12:27:48 am
but the spirit of the game is to play for your faction, though i did stretch that a bit by withholding reads during night phases. Ofc the game was horribly unbalanced. Also town can win unfeasibly by killing cult leaders by day3 (good luck getting the loser cultists to lynch a leader though)

Also i considered the british joke the same as the my homework joke. Link failed to specify the result of what he wanted.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 10, 2022, 12:29:06 am
Yuh nice! Will write a longer post when I'm free later tonight
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 10, 2022, 12:30:02 am
rr gets to select an additional winner though
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 10, 2022, 12:31:47 am
rr gets to select an additional winner though

Finally a reason to holster
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: shockcannon on April 10, 2022, 12:39:22 am
Imagine thinking I was a lonely cultist...

Also looks like root used my setup perfectly, converting andre.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 12:49:05 am
Glad I was able to worldbuild with kaempfer and at least get him to take his vote off. Too bad there was not one, but two very cringeworthy halves to the actual world. Root being troll enough to pick shock w3, and Mobian being Mobian.

Even if my worlds were wrong, my individual reads were right in the final moments. Kae and coolkid were town, andre was cultist who spent the whole day trying to figure out wtf was going on, and either Root or Oa was leader because they didn't even try at the end. I dragged this game back to a 1/7 chance to win and I'm happy with that.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 12:49:46 am
rr gets to select an additional winner though

Finally a reason to holster

This might be the best quote in the thread.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 10, 2022, 01:04:41 am
andre was cultist who spent the whole day trying to figure out wtf was going on

Acurate :sillyspin:
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 10, 2022, 01:07:33 am
A world that I thought plausible was

MW: shock, w3
kae: w3, MW, me

But I didn't put if forward for obvious reasons
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 10, 2022, 01:36:41 am
btw, this joke got MW to put together a format that's pretty much ready to go, so hopefully MW posts sign ups for that by next week & end of April / start of May you'll have a game without a bastard mod
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: MasterWalks on April 10, 2022, 01:45:05 am
btw, this joke got MW to put together a format that's pretty much ready to go, so hopefully MW posts sign ups for that by next week & end of April / start of May you'll have a game without a bastard mod

Wish and you will receive.

Sign ups will be posted tomorrow.
No promises I won't be bastard mod.

So I had root right all along. Y'all should've listened to me smh....
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 01:53:19 am
Kaempfer, what were your thoughts in the final moments?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 10, 2022, 02:12:47 am
Mostly that you were putting in too much effort for a leader that previously threw, so you pretty much had to be genuinely solving. I would probably still have voted Oa over Root with more time, simply because of the shock recruitment. Ofc i never rescinded my vote on bastard mod either, for good reason.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 03:55:43 am
I think this may be the first time we've both actually townread each other in a game. I love when my biggest scumread becomes my biggest townread, reminds me of me and rob in 73.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 03:56:59 am
Oh yeah, I forgot something very important. I may have shitposted the whole first half of the game, but for the second day in a row I was truly

 U N L Y N C H A B L E
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 10, 2022, 06:59:20 am
As soon as I got my role, all the time that I normally would've spent devising the optimal civilian strategy was instead spent devising these sick bars. Haven't done one of these in about 5 years so here we go.

I'm ending Big-Endian depravity
Time to Pulverize, I got my 3 :gravity
Sippin on a Rage Potion,
Ima set the game in motion
You weak like an Ash Eater in the ocean

Who here cracks an egg from the wrong end side?
Don't got thick Stone Skin, can't let it slide
If you ain't on my team, I get mean, like a Steam Machine
Night phase we gon find out who lied

I'm a cult leader, you an Otyugh feeder
I'm a Phase Dragon, you just getting bandwagoned
I'm out bussin scum, your trio decks are dumb,
Lylo time, you stickin out like a sore thumb

The Arctic Squid froze and you ain't getting thawed
There's Neptune and Ferox but I'm the real God
Yeah, so let there be :light like a Firefly
I'm a true Little-Endian til I die
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 10, 2022, 12:36:12 pm
There's the :fire you wanted shock
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 10, 2022, 01:53:44 pm
So while everyone was confused as to how Root would make his series of recruits, I think I figured out one way he was going to prove his cult leader status at end: his picks were in alphabetical order, starting at himself, & wrapping from Z to A
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: andretimpa on April 10, 2022, 04:19:42 pm
So while everyone was confused as to how Root would make his series of recruits, I think I figured out one way he was going to prove his cult leader status at end: his picks were in alphabetical order, starting at himself, & wrapping from Z to A

He was also crumbling his picks with his claims
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 by serprex
Post by: RootRanger on April 10, 2022, 06:18:12 pm
So while everyone was confused as to how Root would make his series of recruits, I think I figured out one way he was going to prove his cult leader status at end: his picks were in alphabetical order, starting at himself, & wrapping from Z to A
That makes so much more sense than what I was doing lol. I grabbed shock and w3 as they were current/former Fire masters. Subsequent picks were intended to be cultists on the Big team, such that we would sweep through the game with a team of Fire. Was a bit surprised when andre didn't die after I targeted him. Although if I'd known that shock wouldn't actually vote alongside his cult leader, I may have done things differently.

Was indeed intentional that my claims were shock/andre.

Overall I found the format super interesting and loved the theme as well. One of my gripes with a lot of other formats, even including ones I've written myself, is that the cop gets all the actual info, while the rest of the players have little more than reads. What I loved about this format is that every player gets tangible information from their role but cannot simply investigate the leaders directly. Yet, you can still find who the leaders are based on your investigation results, since the leaders will struggle to generate claims which are guaranteed to be true. At best, they can recruit someone and claim that their recruit is a civ (as I did with andre), but they cannot reliably determine that someone is a cultist. In other words, there's hard information in this game just like there would be in a format with a cop, but the hard information is dispersed across all of the civs rather than just one.

I'd definitely be interested in a spin on this format involving the same concepts. The two leaders would be replaced with scum on the same team who don't know each other, and each scum can shoot 1 target per night. The first shot would wound, and the second shot would kill, and the civs of course can target someone to learn if they're wounded. Could maybe require that scum cannot target the same person twice until everyone has been targeted at least once. Would leverage the same information mechanics that I really liked.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 - by serprex
Post by: Linkcat on April 10, 2022, 08:01:36 pm
New mafia thread is up, best player poll is also up. If you want to participate in the MafiaCast, let me know what times work for you.
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 - by serprex
Post by: serprex on April 10, 2022, 11:03:14 pm
Excuse me? I don't get a place in poll for duping you into thinking there weren't any cult leaders?
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 - by serprex
Post by: worldwideweb3 on April 11, 2022, 10:00:57 am
why am i not on poll
Title: Re: Elements Mafia 78 - by serprex
Post by: kaempfer13 on April 11, 2022, 01:38:13 pm
cuz you obviously played the best and we are just looking for 2nd place  :sillyspin: I mean leaders would want to recruit the best players after all :silly:
I think coolkid played his best simultaneously also his worst mafia ever, too.
Oa probably should legitimately be an option though, he had like 2 posts that you could read things into.
blarg: worldwideweb3