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Who played the best mafia?

Submachine
1 (3%)
worldwideweb3
1 (3%)
PlayerOa
1 (3%)
serprex
2 (6.1%)
MasterNoob
9 (27.3%)
kaempfer13
8 (24.2%)
Pokechu
2 (6.1%)
andretimpa
0 (0%)
Naii_the_Baf
1 (3%)
rob77dp
3 (9.1%)
killsdazombies
1 (3%)
TheonlyrealBeef
0 (0%)
shockcannon
2 (6.1%)
skyironsword
2 (6.1%)

Total Members Voted: 14

Voting closed: August 12, 2021, 05:20:11 pm

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305466#msg1305466
« Reply #216 on: July 21, 2021, 09:31:49 am »
PlayerOa: I recall you saying that you won't be here during the phase, but your online icon was green near the peak of N0.
Right, was out of town with family but could get in some page refreshes via cell so I to some extent could follow the posting. Nothing more nothing less.
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305467#msg1305467
« Reply #217 on: July 21, 2021, 10:07:12 am »
@Link can we poke anti on discord to tell him the game started?

I did, he's in Budapest.
But that's my city. Is anti going to visit and shoot me irl? :silly:

Let me know if he does, I'll give him a stern warning at the least, maybe a modkill if he didn't make it quick and painless.
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305468#msg1305468
« Reply #218 on: July 21, 2021, 10:39:43 am »
Looks like my I N C O N T R O V E R T I B L E proof against Sub isn't going to gain any traction despite the early momentum. Absolutely betrayed by MasterNoob & kaempfer

So I guess I have to go with my scum read that has grown since daybreak

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shockcannon (1) - serprex

I hate killing shock asap as much as any well intentioned soul (ie just me, oa, & kdz), but the only reason shock would be this quiet is because irl, or he's sore for having a role without info capabilities, or he's scum, or he's cop

I don't want to live in a world where shock's the law. Last time he made the rules I found a loophole & he modkilled me for my invaluable pentestmanship

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305469#msg1305469
« Reply #219 on: July 21, 2021, 10:54:12 am »
PS so long as I'm alive, Torb lives. I'd rather you vote me instead of Torb so that I can relax & laugh at how bad you all are at this. You take Torb away from me & I'll just give up & let the modkill come for me. I'll hate you forever, for taking away the only person who ever cared about me, who else could take my legs away? Scoundrels all of you, if torb's scum then how dare his scumbuddies leave it to me to cast myself against the stones, I've known Torb & I were meant to be the moment he laid his first breadcrumb, it's meant to be, who are you to deny us our destiny??

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305470#msg1305470
« Reply #220 on: July 21, 2021, 12:08:18 pm »
Readlist:

Waiting for modkill/post: antiaverage, rob77dp

v
serprex- Since I have pegged TorB and him as not w/w, TorB vouching for him is a good sign regardless of TorBs alignement. But now judging him on his own merits: He actually justified his Submachine-read surprisingly well given that the game just started (though i disagree ofc). His other reads seem fine (justificationwise at least), except sky which I dont understand at all actually. TorB certainly buddied him successfully (i mean, if that isn't love at first sight! While buddying is usually associated with scum i'm really not sure what to make of torb rn as you can see below).
Please don't kill yourself, you are technically my biggest townread.


n+
Submachine- His readlist reads genuine to me. I also gutleaned him town earlier, but can't really put my finger on why.

shockcannon - as I said earlier his first post really didnt seem like scum him, but damn he got really quiet and is trending down  :( not to mention that the other 2 posts are bogstandard for him.
I still townlean him for now, but upon rereading i had to realize there is nothing much there.

Masternoob - Most of his posts go in one ear and out the other. i think his questions are genuine, even if barely relevant. He's got some absurd theories too. Anyway what ultimately made me decide to townlean him is that he seems to keep up his usual posting behaviour and i would expect a first time scum to be more nervous (it would be the first time, right?). Also questioning TorBs voteswitch was a good catch.

skyironsword - claiming mafia never fails to irritate me, but the people that do that, do that whenever they feel like it. NAI. Who's Sera?
Anyway the n0 stuff is mostly reading into the hosts posts as if he were confirmed mafia and criticicing me for caring about mechanics (it's a common argument i hear on various mafiapads, but it simply doesn't apply to me, i always want to get the mechanics right (and I also got the vibe that she cares about mechanics too, just doesn't want to discuss them in public)).
Hm, come to think of it using angleshooting (like interpreting the hosts posts or monitoring peoples activity) is usually done by town looking for easier ways to solve the game. Let's give both Sub and sky a bump up.
The rest is sky calling out TorB on his lack of reasoning, which i feel is justified (i had the same questions), only backpaddling when TorB seemed to threaten to claim (which is unnecessary at this stage).


n (in no particular order)
Oa - I think everything but his readlist and wanting to kill w3 is just noise (and the latter likely a shitpost too). Readlist is about as small as you'd expect at that stage, but I need an explanation on that timpa read.

Naii  - the parts that trip him up are pretty understandable, but thats NAI (heh!) i think

w3 - shitposts and massclaim and no lynch, which I really hope are also shitposts

TorB - I have questions that probably shouldn't be answered (so long as he might be town), so I won't ask. He heavily implied he's got some sunk cost fallacy with his pr, so that information is already out there :(. Ofc there is also the votechange that he won't explain now. Really would want to have time to think about it, but looks like he's about to get lynched now, so I need to sort this out.
He's PR or mafia, but fortunately everyone is a PR, so that doesnt mean anything.

kdz- shitposts and discussing how to deal with inactives. I dont think I can form a read out of this.

timpa- going just by number of posts he would be outside his scumrange, but they are very short and while they aren't all strictly shitposts I don't see anything of real value (tl;dr postcount is inflated and cant be used to exclude scum)



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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305471#msg1305471
« Reply #221 on: July 21, 2021, 12:14:36 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305472#msg1305472
« Reply #222 on: July 21, 2021, 12:19:29 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305473#msg1305473
« Reply #223 on: July 21, 2021, 12:30:12 pm »
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305474#msg1305474
« Reply #224 on: July 21, 2021, 01:08:43 pm »
Oa - I think everything but his readlist and wanting to kill w3 is just noise (and the latter likely a shitpost too). Readlist is about as small as you'd expect at that stage, but I need an explanation on that timpa read.
I tend to townlean people whose thoughts align with mine. Think of it like "town thinks like town". Ability reminder, stop shitposting, and rule clarifications which just as well could be asked in mafia pad... Seems genuine enough to me at this stage.
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305475#msg1305475
« Reply #225 on: July 21, 2021, 02:33:01 pm »
I have a headache so don’t lynch me for afk advance warning, I’ll read up the thread in a few hours. Also I’ll most likely be away end of day phase, will be able to check in around 30 mins before end of phase.
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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305476#msg1305476
« Reply #226 on: July 21, 2021, 02:36:36 pm »
I have a headache so don’t lynch me for afk advance warning, I’ll read up the thread in a few hours. Also I’ll most likely be away end of day phase, will be able to check in around 30 mins before end of phase.

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Re: Elements Mafia 77 - by Linkcat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=68254.msg1305477#msg1305477
« Reply #227 on: July 21, 2021, 03:21:02 pm »

Spoiler for v:
Spoiler for kaempfer13:
I liked his broad rule questions (He was the only one I saw actually put effort on discussing things with more depth. If I were scum I wouldn't have bothered with going beyond superficial stuff. It also answered questions I had about my role, without me having to risk giving away what it was). Laid out general guidelines for the roles which are sound and a good TL;DR of the rules imo.

Spoiler for n+:

Spoiler for MasterWalks:
Getting town vibes from him. He also looks slightly more competent than last game which is great news. Brought the unusualness of torb to the center of attentions

Spoiler for skyironsword:
Started shitposting and opened with a borderline meme vote in serp, but she has since moved on to more serious pushes and pressure later on. Also has pushed to start actual conversation in the thread.

Spoiler for n:

Spoiler for Submachine:
Sounds towny from his posts, but I learned not to trust Sub after game 73 (sorry :P)

Spoiler for worldwideweb3:
Just shitposts as useful, NAI (I hope this changes)

Spoiler for PlayerOa:
Not much memorable content, but he forgave my Sundial shitpost <3

Spoiler for Naii_the_Baf:
Not enough content for a serious read. Announcing he'll be afk doesn't paint him in a good light. Jumped on the torb bandwagon, but doesn't seem to have read torb's justifications that well.

Spoiler for killsdazombies:
I find kdz hard to read. In the absence of Link, have your trademarked (n) read.

Spoiler for shockcannon:
Typical shockcannon so far regarding actions (kaemp first target, advocating NL in D1). Unusually quiet, but same thing happened last game until put on the block. Lack of ham-handed crumbs is also unusual.

Spoiler for n-:
Spoiler for serprex:
Was reading mostly like shitposts to me. But this one is a bit wild to me:

PS so long as I'm alive, Torb lives. I'd rather you vote me instead of Torb so that I can relax & laugh at how bad you all are at this. You take Torb away from me & I'll just give up & let the modkill come for me. I'll hate you forever, for taking away the only person who ever cared about me, who else could take my legs away? Scoundrels all of you, if torb's scum then how dare his scumbuddies leave it to me to cast myself against the stones, I've known Torb & I were meant to be the moment he laid his first breadcrumb, it's meant to be, who are you to deny us our destiny??

Basically torb and serp are vouching for each other in D1. wtf. What did I miss?

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His stance on serp and the vote jump he did raises lots of eyebrows and that comes after this on top of all:

@sky good thing Sub and Torb havent discussed mechanics yet (which is odd actually, they are usually interested in that stuff)
I got caught telegraphing my role last time I focussed mechanics. That and I'm less obsessed with town cred after last game. The more one tries to be town, the more they are scum. Town is simply town.

Finally a reference game of me not being town :silly:

None of it makes sense if he wants to keep his role hidden is what I'm saying.

I'm not Ookami Mio, if that's your angle. But if I did use an ability, I probably targeted serp. Wouldn't having your target die on you make you sad if it weren't a vig shot? :silly:

I guess I get the angle of lynching serp on flimsy evidence being a potential waste of info, but you could have been more subtle about it I think.

On top of it all I'm missing his more pushy attitude.

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Spoiler for antiaverage:
Just hop on the hotel wifi and say hi ;_;

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