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1. The game will start on Night 0, which will be followed by Day 1. You may post during the Night.So there's a nightkill n0 this game, different from last game? Making sure.
Deja Vu - PassiveThe wording of "any time" has me wondering if this is even after roles change? Or only during the two phases you have it? (Or one n0)
Deja Vu - You may communicate with your fellow Deja Vu by PM at any time, even if your ability is blocked. If a player Hatches into a Deja Vu, there will be at least one other player with the same role. A player's alignment has no impact on whether or not they receive this role.
Yes to N0 NK.1. The game will start on Night 0, which will be followed by Day 1. You may post during the Night.So there's a nightkill n0 this game, different from last game? Making sure.Deja Vu - PassiveThe wording of "any time" has me wondering if this is even after roles change? Or only during the two phases you have it? (Or one n0)
Deja Vu - You may communicate with your fellow Deja Vu by PM at any time, even if your ability is blocked. If a player Hatches into a Deja Vu, there will be at least one other player with the same role. A player's alignment has no impact on whether or not they receive this role.
Vulture is removed from N0.I was going to say something about the graboid/shrieker combo being oddly redundant based on roles changing every day phase, but I held my tongue for that because of Crusader or Vulture being able to effectively utilize it. Was it removed for this clunkiness and not being able to be used by 1cycle graboids?
Shrieker is removed completely.Yes to N0 NK.1. The game will start on Night 0, which will be followed by Day 1. You may post during the Night.So there's a nightkill n0 this game, different from last game? Making sure.Deja Vu - PassiveThe wording of "any time" has me wondering if this is even after roles change? Or only during the two phases you have it? (Or one n0)
Deja Vu - You may communicate with your fellow Deja Vu by PM at any time, even if your ability is blocked. If a player Hatches into a Deja Vu, there will be at least one other player with the same role. A player's alignment has no impact on whether or not they receive this role.
Only players that are Deja Vu during the current phase (N0, D1/N1, D2/N2, etc.) can communicate.
After Night 0 Fate Egg hatches at the start of each Day rather than each Night.How does this work with Graboids inability to vote, the day before or after they were untargetable? Day before seems implied (they already lost the ability again the day after), but that makes it rather meaningless.
After Night 0 Fate Egg hatches at the start of each Day rather than each Night.How does this work with Graboids inability to vote, the day before or after they were untargetable? Day before seems implied (they already lost the ability again the day after), but that makes it rather meaningless.
Arctic Squid and Freeze have been changed.
Shrieker is removedClarification.completelyfrom the Hatch ability pool.
In essence, yes.Arctic Squid and Freeze have been changed.
Does Freeze void OU abilities now? Generally speaking.
Shrieker is removedClarification.completelyfrom the Hatch ability pool.In essence, yes.Arctic Squid and Freeze have been changed.
Does Freeze void OU abilities now? Generally speaking.
But this is only true for vulture’d or crusader’d roles?Shrieker is removedClarification.completelyfrom the Hatch ability pool.In essence, yes.Arctic Squid and Freeze have been changed.
Does Freeze void OU abilities now? Generally speaking.
OU abilities can be used again if they fail as stated in the rules.
But this is only true for vulture’d or crusader’d roles?Shrieker is removedClarification.completelyfrom the Hatch ability pool.In essence, yes.Arctic Squid and Freeze have been changed.
Does Freeze void OU abilities now? Generally speaking.
OU abilities can be used again if they fail as stated in the rules.
Toadfish and Otyugh should not claim. You'll find out who I targeted when we get to N1.Soft claim ALL the roles!
Soft claim ALL the roles!
Well, if the person to be vigged can block the vig, I could see them do that as either alignment. I could argue it's bad town play since they are likely to just get lynched the next day, but I don't think this would prevent, say w3, from blocking the vig. This tells us nothing about the alignment of the one that would have vigged if he's town. If target and vig are both mafia, you wouldn't see anyone die either. They could pretend to be roleblocked and not use, or use if they can block it just in case someone is watching.Toadfish and Otyugh should not claim. You'll find out who I targeted when we get to N1.Soft claim ALL the roles!
The thing about claiming golden nymph is that your ability can be prevented through the nightkill, so its only worth if a town!crusader or town!angel exists. Additionaly due to lack of claimpower it's hard to keep track of people roleblocking. Also i think vulture can only get crusaded roles or fate egg regardless of when the target died.
Well, unfortunately I rolled town again, so time for some town tips I thought of:
- There is no good reason not to immediately reveal any Golden Nymph result you find, unless you obtained it through Vulture/Crusader.
- Not voting to hide Graboids identity can be extra helpful now that Graboids are forced to not vote before they are invincible.
- You can only roll each role once as Fate Egg, this means that claiming every single action will make it easier to deduce your possible roles. So don't go around claiming everything unless you have a good idea on how that helps town.
I also have a radical suggestion: for someone that rolled the Golden Nymph role to claim. They could be targeted by Crusaders and Dragonflies, Dragonflies will monitor and reveal any mafia with disruptive abilities trying to get Golden Nymph from using theirs. Having them get (Night)killed N0 is a bonus, since every time someone randoms Vulture afterwards, they'll then turn into a cop (or have that option, it's the best option as town, right?).
EoD is 3am for me, so don't get your hopes up on me being on for it.
Angel doesn't work on GN tho
Not even when GN is only a temporary Fate Egg role?
summon rob/Link/someone smarter than me
shock & I are deja vusYou AND shock rolled deja N0? seems unlikely.
I have all the best words, talking is my strength. So this is not a problem.
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I don't fear for Link dying N0, honestly. But he will always make a juicy target.
What an interesting double edged sword. A question then, is it beneficial to use an otyugh on a GN to ensure they die and set up all future vultures? Or are we living in a world where we would rather a GN dying be a happy accident?
So if GN does claim, will mafia actually kill them? The sooner GN dies the sooner we can have multiple GNs. I say GN claims and a kill role kills them off since its unlikely maf will use NK on them.
What an interesting double edged sword. A question then, is it beneficial to use an otyugh on a GN to ensure they die and set up all future vultures? Or are we living in a world where we would rather a GN dying be a happy accident?
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A more aggressive version of the plan is to just have a town!Oty devour the GN. In this case, FFQ and crusader can still do their work, while a scum!dragonfly would fail in trying to find the new GN and as a bonus the vultures can fetch GN too.
It's only beneficial to claim as Golden Nymph, while there are no dead Golden Nymphs. Having them stay alive has the benefit of enjoying the same kind of protection next night (it's only for first few nights, after that Vulture GN comes too late and it's better to let the original just do their work), allowing them to claim as well, making them endow-able, too.
Since we also lose the result of the ability usage by having Golden Nymph die, on top of getting killed for claiming not being a good motivator to get people to claim, I would rather have the Golden Nymph have the last say in that.
The implications of this line of thinking are wide. If we collectively take a hard stance on this, does that mean if someone claims to have gotten GN night 1 later on they should be sus'd for it?I think any GN Fate Egg random roll that did not come with an immediate result claim the day after is suspicious, regardless.
The implications of this line of thinking are wide. If we collectively take a hard stance on this, does that mean if someone claims to have gotten GN night 1 later on they should be sus'd for it?I think any GN Fate Egg random roll that did not come with an immediate result claim the day after is suspicious, regardless.
There might be reasons to not claim if you're Golden Nymph, but the one that most stands out is -as mafia- to not want town to endow you. So I can support that stance.
So if GN does claim, will mafia actually kill them? The sooner GN dies the sooner we can have multiple GNs. I say GN claims and a kill role kills them off since its unlikely maf will use NK on them.shock & I are deja vusYou AND shock rolled deja N0? seems unlikely.
Alright guys, enough messing around. I finally looked at my role PM. I won't say what it is, but it rhymes with Kind Slayer.The Rind Player is too powerful a role please nerf
Do we want otys/toadfish to claim? Especially in case of oty its likely for actually correct play to cause an uproar as its going to be revealed the same night.
Regardless i think it a good idea to hold a vote in the night, where otys/toadfish target the "lynchvote". This doubles our wagonomics as well. It also makes townotys actually using their ability (as they should) less devisive and leashes scumotys to potentially target one of their own.
Wouldn't vigis not have a huge chance to be roleblocked? Possibly even through the nightkill, since that takes priority over Inflate and Devour. Mafia can even protect a townie this way, in hopes of setting up a mislynch the day after. I'd rather risk a double vig on the same target, than have them claim before their ability has been used, the day after works just as well for claiming, no?This reads kind of oddly. You would rather trust that vigging roles will out after their target dies than before? I'm not concerned with being roleblocked, as that puts pressure on whoever roleblocked the kill to either out themselves as a roleblocking role or as mafia. There's the possibility that it could be mafia trying to cast suspicion on the agreed kill for roleblocking the outted vig roles, but that would deter roleblocking roles from the GN if we have one.
Scum faking GN might prove to be trouble, but I feel like that's a somewhat risky move, drawing so much attention. I'm just brainstorming at this phase. But I feel like scenarios 1&2 look town-positive in my eyes, scenario 3 is neutral and scenario 4 is scum-positive, so all in all the odds should be in our favour.A setup like this minimally punishes a fake cop claim. If a scum claims to have rolled golden nymph after someone else claims to have rolled them, or they actually did roll GN, they can fake inno their partner or maf claim the other GN. It's a trade for sure, but i wouldn't put it past some players here even if it's not worth for them in the long run.
A more aggressive version of the plan is to just have a town!Oty devour the GN. In this case, FFQ and crusader can still do their work, while a scum!dragonfly would fail in trying to find the new GN and as a bonus the vultures can fetch GN too.This only works if we go against the idea of waiting to out who the oty was, as we can't guarantee there's a FFQ in the game unless they out as well, and then we have too many role claims imo.
But having GN die is just pro town, since every future town Vulture roll also becomes GN. No need to bother with protection, just the threat of having every future Vulture roll turn another town into cop is all the protection GN needs.I agree with this. The optimal move is to have a GN dead ASAP so we can start converting as many vultures as we can as soon as we can. The only issue after that point is cross checking reports somehow, so claims can't hide behind fake reports.
What an interesting double edged sword. A question then, is it beneficial to use an otyugh on a GN to ensure they die and set up all future vultures? Or are we living in a world where we would rather a GN dying be a happy accident?This depends heavily on whether we want to get a free report but risk losing possible extra golden nymphs. I would rather have a guarenteed kill here with the otyugh also outing beforehand; they should have nothing to fear if they are town.
It's only beneficial to claim as Golden Nymph, while there are no dead Golden Nymphs. Having them stay alive has the benefit of enjoying the same kind of protection next night (it's only for first few nights, after that Vulture GN comes too late and it's better to let the original just do their work), allowing them to claim as well, making them endow-able, too.I would rather not, as we're not guaranteed to have a GN alive tonight and the protection from being a mafia having rolled GN is a little unruly. I think GN should claim now, so we have the maximum potential benefit in the future. To have one possibly faked report does not beat out having multiple cops possibly by n1.
Since we also lose the result of the ability usage by having Golden Nymph die, on top of getting killed for claiming not being a good motivator to get people to claim, I would rather have the Golden Nymph have the last say in that.
The implications of this line of thinking are wide. If we collectively take a hard stance on this, does that mean if someone claims to have gotten GN night 1 later on they should be sus'd for it? Does that make the otyugh eating a GN a town move? What a strange game.They should only be sus'd for it if another GN does not come forward well before the deadline. I also assume you mean N0 here. I see no reason why getting it later than N0 would be sus. As far as otyugh eating GN, as of right now, it's NAI but it benefits the town.
This is an awkward interaction on both fronts. For one, serprex is just like dumbtelling? or something? here, and for two, MasterWalks seems to have neglected that the rules state...So if GN does claim, will mafia actually kill them? The sooner GN dies the sooner we can have multiple GNs. I say GN claims and a kill role kills them off since its unlikely maf will use NK on them.shock & I are deja vusYou AND shock rolled deja N0? seems unlikely.
Oh, I didn't think deja was actually a role in this game. I was just shit posting. Or maybe I was soft hinting why I might be protecting shock from a policy lynch tomorrow
Deja Vu - Passive
Deja Vu - You may communicate with your fellow Deja Vu by PM at any time, even if your ability is blocked. If a player Hatches into a Deja Vu, there will be at least one other player with the same role. A player's alignment has no impact on whether or not they receive this role.
GN should claim, but as town we should decide not to eat them if they don't want to be eaten, otherwise it's pretty unlikely they'll actually claim. I at least will not be eating them against their will. I'll probably just eat w3 since it will make me laugh the most.
Agree that GNs should claim. I hope there's another one because I really don't want to be the first Nightkill two games in a row.
Toadfish and Otyugh should not claim. You'll find out who I targeted when we get to N1.
Soft claim ALL the roles!
I'm not going to soft claim all the roles, that would be silly. I'll only soft the one that I have. Which in this case happens to be a little on the spooky side.
Alright guys, enough messing around. I finally looked at my role PM. I won't say what it is, but it rhymes with Kind Slayer.???
I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asap
shock & I are deja vusSo, nice soft and hard, but if you really are GN here, it has been discussed and agreed that you are an optimal vighit n0. It's too risky not to have the role available for vultures and to gain permanent GNs, especially because of the possibility of not rolling one again for a while.
am i going to be well known for my chunks of textAfter having some walls of text of my own sometimes, your wall just made me realise they are awful to quote from phone. Maybe I'll respond when I get on my laptop.
Wouldn't vigis not have a huge chance to be roleblocked? Possibly even through the nightkill, since that takes priority over Inflate and Devour. Mafia can even protect a townie this way, in hopes of setting up a mislynch the day after. I'd rather risk a double vig on the same target, than have them claim before their ability has been used, the day after works just as well for claiming, no?This reads kind of oddly. You would rather trust that vigging roles will out after their target dies than before? I'm not concerned with being roleblocked, as that puts pressure on whoever roleblocked the kill to either out themselves as a roleblocking role or as mafia. There's the possibility that it could be mafia trying to cast suspicion on the agreed kill for roleblocking the outted vig roles, but that would deter roleblocking roles from the GN if we have one.
If a Golden Nymph does die this way, you will also notice that it is probably no longer beneficial to random vig.I consider the two plans to be mutually exclusive. Don't forget that Otyugh will also be revealed by system message, so they cannot hide regardless. Role blocking is something that can be done quite silently, however. Since people only keep role blocking roles for that one night, it will be virtually impossible to tell whom did it unless they are caught in the act.
Linkcat is being silly, it's basically right there in your list of quotes.GN should claim, but as town we should decide not to eat them if they don't want to be eaten, otherwise it's pretty unlikely they'll actually claim. I at least will not be eating them against their will. I'll probably just eat w3 since it will make me laugh the most.Agree that GNs should claim. I hope there's another one because I really don't want to be the first Nightkill two games in a row.Toadfish and Otyugh should not claim. You'll find out who I targeted when we get to N1.Soft claim ALL the roles!
I'm not going to soft claim all the roles, that would be silly. I'll only soft the one that I have. Which in this case happens to be a little on the spooky side.Alright guys, enough messing around. I finally looked at my role PM. I won't say what it is, but it rhymes with Kind Slayer.???
After having some walls of text of my own sometimes, your wall just made me realise they are awful to quote from phone. Maybe I'll respond when I get on my laptop.I still prefer walls over quadruple+ posts, by the way :silly:
wow haha didn't see that otyugh would be revealed yikesWouldn't vigis not have a huge chance to be roleblocked? Possibly even through the nightkill, since that takes priority over Inflate and Devour. Mafia can even protect a townie this way, in hopes of setting up a mislynch the day after. I'd rather risk a double vig on the same target, than have them claim before their ability has been used, the day after works just as well for claiming, no?This reads kind of oddly. You would rather trust that vigging roles will out after their target dies than before? I'm not concerned with being roleblocked, as that puts pressure on whoever roleblocked the kill to either out themselves as a roleblocking role or as mafia. There's the possibility that it could be mafia trying to cast suspicion on the agreed kill for roleblocking the outted vig roles, but that would deter roleblocking roles from the GN if we have one.If a Golden Nymph does die this way, you will also notice that it is probably no longer beneficial to random vig.I consider the two plans to be mutually exclusive. Don't forget that Otyugh will also be revealed by system message, so they cannot hide regardless. Role blocking is something that can be done quite silently, however. Since people only keep role blocking roles for that one night, it will be virtually impossible to tell whom did it unless they are caught in the act.
Also, whatever happened to w3? Is he even in the game? I know I saw his list on the signups... It's rare to see him have no useless posts ;)
I cc this claim, I'm deja vu with w3 and he said he's waiting to craft the perfect post to take you down.Also, whatever happened to w3? Is he even in the game? I know I saw his list on the signups... It's rare to see him have no useless posts ;)
I'm Deja Vu with w3, he told me he's been too depressed to post because he finally realized how bad he is at mafia.
geez Linkcat gets scummier every game regardless of alignement. oh well, i suppose he's just trolling. Anyway these needless (although most probably not serious) claims made me think whether a nightly (or night1) massclaim would actually be beneficial, as we dont really have to protect gn until one does die or a crusader gn comes up (although at that time it would kinda be too late to protect them through not claiming).inb4 "I claim fate egg"
I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asapshock & I are deja vusSo, nice soft and hard, but if you really are GN here, it has been discussed and agreed that you are an optimal vighit n0. It's too risky not to have the role available for vultures and to gain permanent GNs, especially because of the possibility of not rolling one again for a while.
Anyway:Not sure how much you believe the latter statement to be true, still trying to gauge if you're actually mafia trying to justify town vigs through these votes. Regardless, I think the most likely outcome of a shock vig is a dead town and no info.
Unofficial nightly lynchvote in case of oty:
shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
I have nothing to go off and killing shock seems like the most protown completely random move.
Mafia team: kdz, TorB, shock
can crusader target dead people? if not, then we shouldnt really go around killing GN, crusaders are basically same as vulture but on alive.They won't be dead yet by the time Crusaders target them, and they won't be GN anymore after that night, regardless of whether they live or die.
Hes been the only one to claim GN, troll or not.serprex says hi.
Also, @TORB I dont understand the mental gymnastics youre pulling. There isnt really a strong downside to vigging in a game where no role is permanent.More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.
More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.
If you want to vig GN, Link doesn't make sense to me. His current claims aren't worth shit. I'm talking about non-GN vigs in that post.More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.
No. If we kill GN N1, then every single vulture roll late in the game will get GN. Why have 1 GN running around wasting time when we can have 4 and get everyone targeted. You cant play firestall in mafia.
shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
No vig (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
kaempf's trying to instigate town to vig my check, stay classy
well gn obv shouldnt target what everyone agrees to be the vigtarget.
GN should claim, but as town we should decide not to eat them if they don't want to be eaten, otherwise it's pretty unlikely they'll actually claim. I at least will not be eating them against their will. I'll probably just eat w3 since it will make me laugh the most.
I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asapHere are multiple instances in which you interacted with serprex, who repeatedly softed that he is GN. You missed this after saying you're hypervigilant to slips last game? How much more reliable does this have to get?
I think TorB's point here is that the vig should be targetted on a specific claim of GN, not a random vig as kae was suggesting with shock. I firmly believe that a randomvig is not the best idea until we get more information, especially if an otyugh eats a toadfish, and a n0 GN vig should be the only vig for most of the game that we should consider. There are few downsides besides the numbers game. Everything else can be watched or outed by the notifications that come after someone is eaten.More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.
No. If we kill GN N1, then every single vulture roll late in the game will get GN. Why have 1 GN running around wasting time when we can have 4 and get everyone targeted. You cant play firestall in mafia.
serprex has joined the trolltrinity of link and shock. You should notice that those people cant be trusted no matter what. i jump at slips from people were that isnt normal.But he's outing as Golden Nymph. The only scenario in which this is not benefical to the town is if the mafia poisons him before otyugh eats him, and that possibly poisons a town otyugh. If he's claiming a role that is going to get vigged, why would he claim it as any other role?
but anyway if you want serp as gnclaim to be eaten vote and argue accordingly. If you are trying to make the same push on me as at the end last game you waste your breathYour voting system doesn't dictate the actions of the people in this game, and that last line isn't a towny thing to say. I'm not pushing on you as mafia right now, we're in n0. The voting is great in practice, but you're not voting on someone who claimed GN with few downsides to eating them and the way you're talking right now makes it seem like you won't flip either. No need to tunnel n0 my friend.
uhm, I'm not tunneling? Its just that shock is simply the most detrimental to town on average.I'm not pushing on you.
But I do find it suspicious that you are trying to make the same push on me as last game where you knew i was town and thus should be accutely aware that this is nothing unusual for my townplay.
But honestly i dont mind voting either shock or serprex simply because they just cant stop themselves from messing with town.Then vote serprex, the GN claim.
So MW's saying silly things, business as usual, but the "vig GN for a fast win" is not how this works. If y'all going to vig me you better understand exactly how we're playing this outI have no clue.
Someone who isn't going to be dead if this plan goes through should post the numbers of how long things should drag out for an EV positive result. "4 vultures" is not realistic. I would hope that people who are on a card game forum would understand something about RNG but apparently this is a mafia forum now where we go off how we're reading people & bucket me into a trolltrinity when I'm posting numerical analysis
So MW's saying silly things, business as usual, but the "vig GN for a fast win" is not how this works. If y'all going to vig me you better understand exactly how we're playing this out
Someone who isn't going to be dead if this plan goes through should post the numbers of how long things should drag out for an EV positive result. "4 vultures" is not realistic. I would hope that people who are on a card game forum would understand something about RNG but apparently this is a mafia forum now where we go off how we're reading people & bucket me into a trolltrinity when I'm posting numerical analysis
For starters, there is no GN that claimed that found themselves getting killed to be a good idea. I stated earlier that I would prefer to only kill the GN if they agreed it was a good idea. Because honestly?So MW's saying silly things, business as usual, but the "vig GN for a fast win" is not how this works. If y'all going to vig me you better understand exactly how we're playing this outI have no clue.
Someone who isn't going to be dead if this plan goes through should post the numbers of how long things should drag out for an EV positive result. "4 vultures" is not realistic. I would hope that people who are on a card game forum would understand something about RNG but apparently this is a mafia forum now where we go off how we're reading people & bucket me into a trolltrinity when I'm posting numerical analysis
Fact: having a dead GN N0 is good for town because all future vultures permanently gain the GN ability.
Is this worth killing a town GN for and missing out on their result? No idea. I think it's fair to state that having them get nightkilled this night is the most town positive nightkill we can get due to vulture thing. But does this really warrant actively vigging them, and what is this based on? Gut feeling? An idea?
I havent read the rules, but i believe GN is the only role thats locked down to a certain amount rolled? Maybe Deja is too.
Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anywaysExcept now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.
Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anywaysExcept now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.
I'm pro not holstering N0 vig, I just think kaempfer13 should be the target in that caseLmao, a valid compromise
Serp has claimed and i addressed this multiple times.Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anywaysExcept now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.
But the GN has not been outed
Serp has claimed and i addressed this multiple times.Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anywaysExcept now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.
But the GN has not been outed
He hasn't retracted yet, is a likely vig target having claimed it and has made multiple posts referencing his PoV regarding being the GN. If he were not being serious, it would have been outted before now.Serp has claimed and i addressed this multiple times.Using a vulture on GN Wastes so much time that it’s unlikely to be more than a one for one trade off. Gn dies N0, vulture uses ability on GN N1 (if anyone even gets vulture), vulture uses GN ability N2, then on cool down for N3. At the end of N3, we’ve gained the same amount of information had we not killed the GN. Yh we can roll multiple vultures, but we can also roll 0 vultures. It’s a gamble that I’m not sure worth going for, considering we can all roll GN once anywaysExcept now the GN has already outed and will be roleblocked, and could also be mafia faking a report tomorrow, so I am much more comfortable with possibly vigging a maf GN and allowing others to take the role as it comes. We can have future GNs hide after we have one dead, and if they roll GN as their temp role, all the better for us.
But the GN has not been outed
I don’t think that was a serious claim
I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asap
S O L V E D G A M EI was going to point that out, and kae’s semi-protection or divertion from serp, and w3’s saying he doesn’t believe serp. Given kae’s wanting to random vig shock, I think that it’s kind of out of question for them to be the same alignment unless they’re hard bussing.
On a more serious note, serp's declared intent of protecting shock from a policy lynch on D1 and this post in particularI'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asap
just got way more interesting.
Lol, i was oty and also targeted serp (because there was no other choice really) oh well anyway thats an unusually good start.
Hey rob, under what circumstances does an oty not get revealed? If they were roleblocked, if the eat didn’t go through or what?
HOST CLARIFICATION:Can more than one devour result in the same target's death?
A devour resulting in targets death is revealed.Hey rob, under what circumstances does an oty not get revealed? If they were roleblocked, if the eat didn’t go through or what?
Please carry on about the business of the game at-hand, upper management pays the pleebs for work not water cooler chit-chat.
Oh lol, rob just messaged me that i was roleblocked and he sent me the wrong message. Cmon dude who's gonna believe me that? I know its angly, but you have to confirm that as it caused major confusion.
Oh lol, rob just messaged me that i was roleblocked and he sent me the wrong message. Cmon dude who's gonna believe me that? I know its angly, but you have to confirm that as it caused major confusion.
shock targetted u so either he blocked or has info on u
I feel like noting that if serp hadnt flipped scum I would have eyed Linkcat with great suspicion (despite me choosing the same action) as his leadup was horrible. he said a gn shouldnt be devoured against their will and encouraged use of abilities on serp that he knew would fail.But yours weren’t much better, as you said you would devour shock?
Well, given that everyone seems to say holster (which I consider stupid) or kill gn claim for vig, i suppose its become a debate of losing a peek + a townie ( rather than also the vigshot which you guys happily want to throw away) for all vultures becoming gn
I feel like noting that if serp hadnt flipped scum I would have eyed Linkcat with great suspicion (despite me choosing the same action) as his leadup was horrible. he said a gn shouldnt be devoured against their will and encouraged use of abilities on serp that he knew would fail.
I feel like noting that if serp hadn't flipped scum I would have eyed Linkcat with great suspicion (despite me choosing the same action) as his leadup was horrible. he said a gn shouldn't be devoured against their will and encouraged use of abilities on serp that he knew would fail.
Anyway this is +ev
shockcannon(1) kaempfer13
his literally only post is "i roleblock kaemp durr"
I believe w3 that he had no idea that serp was actually gn and thus townread him as well.
Link one of my rulequestions was if damselfly can see an oty whose ability failed to resolve due to dead target.
Read Dragonfly.
Phoenix
Hi dont divert from relevant discussion when your roleclaim is inconsequential kthx byePhoenix
Hi don’t ignore my claim kthnx bye
@w3 As someone who fake claimed phoenix 2 mafias ago, this sounds awfully convenient to me (or maybe RNG just hates you, who knows?)
@w3 As someone who fake claimed phoenix 2 mafias ago, this sounds awfully convenient to me (or maybe RNG just hates you, who knows?)Absolutely not
one thing i cant stop myself from saying is we dont actually want people to know who the saders are unless they were forced to claim
Phoenix
Hi don’t ignore my claim kthnx bye
People who supported GN kill after serp softed:I'd like to pull this back front and center, I think it was an important post
Coffee
MW
andre
kdz
Naii
Before:
iancu
moe
Nae
Didn't address directly:
Oa
Cal
shock
Said a lot about but did not commit to one side:
kae
Against:
w3
I'd put my vote on w3 right now but sadly I rolled Graboid.
Oh lol, rob just messaged me that i was roleblocked and he sent me the wrong message. Cmon dude who's gonna believe me that? I know its angly, but you have to confirm that as it caused major confusion.
Multiple Devour actions targeting the same person is decided by RNG.
Of the abilities that have lower priority than the Nightkill, only Inflate and Devour are unable to resolve on a dead target.
Whether you were roleblocked or your ability could not resolve for another reason, you should have simply gotten a message saying that your ability failed. There's no distinction between the different causes.
Should investigative roles claim what they have seen last night? Or should they wait for more claims from everyone and only claim if they spot a lie?If you hit red as a gn yes, if you just peaked at someones role/useage id hold it until it becomes important
All i know is that rob told me a lot of things i wasnt supposed to see and that i was roleblocked. If it wasnt you than I'm 90% sure it was scum blocking me (with you it's rand, but this time around you arent even contributing, hence I wouldnt miss you at all)Oh lol, rob just messaged me that i was roleblocked and he sent me the wrong message. Cmon dude who's gonna believe me that? I know its angly, but you have to confirm that as it caused major confusion.Multiple Devour actions targeting the same person is decided by RNG.
Of the abilities that have lower priority than the Nightkill, only Inflate and Devour are unable to resolve on a dead target.
Whether you were roleblocked or your ability could not resolve for another reason, you should have simply gotten a message saying that your ability failed. There's no distinction between the different causes.
Okay, can we get some sort of clarification here? Because this is pretty important and I don't take lightly to someone immediately placing blame on me, especially since I did not have a role blocking role last night. So the only options here are:
1.) kaempf got that message because he RNGed second devour, and therefore since Linkcat already killed, his action failed
2.) someone else roleblocked kaempf for real, probably to frame me, since I said I was going to target kaempf
3.) kaempf is lying for some reason. The only that I can think of is to get an easy lynch on me and avoid providing wagonomics on others, which he knows is a safe play and unlikely to hurt his town cred even if I flip town.
So yeah, either kaempf or rob really needs to clarify some stuff here.
so
no lynch(1)kaempfer13
do you guys seriously want lynchlog when only 7 players voted btw?
FWIW, I don’t think it’s worth killing off GN
Out of the people that wanted gn dead I townread all except coffee. This isnt (just) personal vendetta. as loud as he was about it, this is consistent with his needless bus on dc last game and him tmiing scumroles and trying to lynch people based on not automatically scumreading those roles.This is much different this game, as bussing DC last game was only beneficial to the town last game in a numbers sense. This game, there are no benefits to bussing serprex especially having known he actually was Golden Nymph. I was also one of the supporters of this plan, not the person to have come up with it (who flipped town as well). I'm not sure what the last part of your message means, but I am as scummy/town as Link for trying to gain credit with a devour of the GN n0. It's not beneficial to mafia at all but Link could be playing the hard bus game as much as you think I was, my friend.
As hard as he is trying to appear scum, Linkcat is obv town.
I believe w3 that he had no idea that serp was actually gn and thus townread him as well.
You wont believe it guys, but hard claim fate egg. I know, sounds crazy. Three fate eggs in one game amiright?
We are not doing ResidentSleeper, this is supposed to be a fun game.
no lynch (2) - kaempfer13, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, LinkcatYou wont believe it guys, but hard claim fate egg. I know, sounds crazy. Three fate eggs in one game amiright?
I counterclaim, checkmate broski.
serp and w3 didnt want to kill GN. serp flipped scum. w3 prob scum.
There is a reason i stayed up extra long and went on and on about vig leashing, because peole here hate correct vig play and lynch any missing vig. I was the only one supporting shockvig (wth even is going on) halfofficial votes were unuseable and about half the players each (some both) supported gn kill or holszering. Serprex was the only choice and my last post males that clear.
Well, given that everyone seems to say holster (which I consider stupid) or kill gn claim for vig, i suppose its become a debate of losing a peek + a townie ( rather than also the vigshot which you guys happily want to throw away) for all vultures becoming gnThis is not indicative of a decision in any direction, it only represents remorse for not being able to vig shock without looking scummy and a reluctant comparison between options of outcomes.
Oh lol, rob just messaged me that i was roleblocked and he sent me the wrong message. Cmon dude who's gonna believe me that? I know its angly, but you have to confirm that as it caused major confusion.Still waiting on rob to confirm this.
I feel like noting that if serp hadnt flipped scum I would have eyed Linkcat with great suspicion (despite me choosing the same action) as his leadup was horrible. he said a gn shouldnt be devoured against their will and encouraged use of abilities on serp that he knew would fail.This is just self-contradictory.. You're scumreading someone else for choosing to do something that you yourself also purportedly did. So you're admitting that the two scenarios here are that one of you bussed or you only townread Link for hitting mafia? That also goes against how you keep posting about town interpereting vig roles, and how you believe they should not be alignment indicative based on how their target flips.
This probably sounds really dumb because im voting shock for policy, but i think serp would have townpeeked shock regardless of shock's alignement. For scum!shock it would be the only way to live, for town!shock it would mean he becomes unlynchable and thus can continue playing solitaire in a round of scat, which is obviously bad for his teammates.This is a valid point, in that serp's wanting to check shock would have resulted in an inno. Towncred for bringing this to light, but only as is juxtaposed against my other points. The pushing on shock over and over like I am with you is interesting though, because you don't have much to work off of with him.
Okay, can we get some sort of clarification here? Because this is pretty important and I don't take lightly to someone immediately placing blame on me, especially since I did not have a role blocking role last night. So the only options here are:This is a pretty solid post and raises more questions for robrules and for kae's claim. I townread this for having outed all feasible possibilities other than shock lying.
1.) kaempf got that message because he RNGed second devour, and therefore since Linkcat already killed, his action failed
2.) someone else roleblocked kaempf for real, probably to frame me, since I said I was going to target kaempf
3.) kaempf is lying for some reason. The only that I can think of is to get an easy lynch on me and avoid providing wagonomics on others, which he knows is a safe play and unlikely to hurt his town cred even if I flip town.
So yeah, either kaempf or rob really needs to clarify some stuff here.
Should investigative roles claim what they have seen last night? Or should they wait for more claims from everyone and only claim if they spot a lie?I would out it now, to be honest. Roles switch every night and it may narrow who can be what role, but with the possibility to roll vulture or crusader and get GN i see this as a minimal issue. The roles switching is more incentive to have that slight protection. I would be wary of fake claims.
derp i forgot its 12vs2 now so we have 10 nights guaranteed without vigs and lynches.derpclear not granted
I think i'd like to hear from a wider range of people before I put my full support behind this plan. I know torb was fairly firmly on board, but I'd like to hear from some other voices. For now though I tentatively place my support.I agree with this but am tentatively against NLing; i would also like to hear why you have switched to voting w3 so readily after having asked for more opinions and only hearing that of Link's.
I switched so readily because the point of "Enjoyable game" vs "Autowin" is one that carries a lot of weight, if only because it will make everyone have a much better time, and, will allow dead players to get back into a new game ASAP. Extending a 6 cycle game into 10 or something is an extra week of waiting and watching.I agree that the former is true and valid. I wasn't thinking from the perspective of a dead person, because that's not me yet mb. I want to ask you, why do you want to kill w3 and do you think that having the conversation about optimal strategy is valuable if you've just conceded to the more enjoyable way?
I still think there is a valid conversation on which is best in terms of winning the game, but its no contest as to which is the more enjoyable. Plus I already said I would kill w3.
V
worldwideweb3- serp and w3 both didnt wantNKGN Vig. w3 is also still alive so hes doing too good.
EBWOP
N+Beyond what I mentioned, it seems like you're only putting people of interest who are already read by others, and Cal. Could be a team in the making? Not sure.
Calindu- is pushing for info roles to reveal. probably doesnt have much for reads or had an info role and doesnt want to be the only one sharing. Either way, wanting more info in the public is towny.
So far, he only asked a question and hasn't said anything else that benefits the town as a whole. Asking if info roles should reveal is more scummy than not, as he could possibly be setting himself up for a fake report.
Coffeeditto- I dont townread you whatsoever. I dont scumread you. But my read on you is important so im putting it here.
Is this because we were Deja Vu partners last night and i tried to help you to be less universally scumread? I'm wondering what your reasoning is here. Maybe because I hadn't revealed that yet? Not sure why you did.
V
worldwideweb3- serp and w3 both didnt want NK. w3 is also still alive so hes doing too good.
Not a strong read beyond echoing what others have already said.
N+Beyond what I mentioned, it seems like you're only putting people of interest who are already read by others, and Cal. Could be a team in the making? Not sure.
Calindu- is pushing for info roles to reveal. probably doesnt have much for reads or had an info role and doesnt want to be the only one sharing. Either way, wanting more info in the public is towny.
So far, he only asked a question and hasn't said anything else that benefits the town as a whole. Asking if info roles should reveal is more scummy than not, as he could possibly be setting himself up for a fake report.
Coffeeditto- I dont townread you whatsoever. I dont scumread you. But my read on you is important so im putting it here.
Is this because we were Deja Vu partners last night and i tried to help you to be less universally scumread? I'm wondering what your reasoning is here. Maybe because I hadn't revealed that yet? Not sure why you did.
V
worldwideweb3- serp and w3 both didnt want NK. w3 is also still alive so hes doing too good.
Not a strong read beyond echoing what others have already said.
Aaaaaaaa tfw Ure getting lynched for saying that GN shouldnt be killed aaaaaaaaaaa imma sleep and when I wake up, these votes better be off smhGive us a reason not to end with you being the lynch other than memery.
Aaaaaaaa tfw Ure getting lynched for saying that GN shouldnt be killed aaaaaaaaaaa imma sleep and when I wake up, these votes better be off smhGive us a reason not to end with you being the lynch other than memery.
What was your role shock?Not shock here, but possible roles he could have been were Golden Nymph, Psion, Dragonfly, Firefly Queen, Iridium Guardian, Ghost of the Past(!), Guardian Angel and Crusader. If we are to believe both kae and shock, the most likely role was GotP.
N+Beyond what I mentioned, it seems like you're only putting people of interest who are already read by others, and Cal. Could be a team in the making? Not sure.
Calindu- is pushing for info roles to reveal. probably doesnt have much for reads or had an info role and doesnt want to be the only one sharing. Either way, wanting more info in the public is towny.
So far, he only asked a question and hasn't said anything else that benefits the town as a whole. Asking if info roles should reveal is more scummy than not, as he could possibly be setting himself up for a fake report.
Yea shoulda left cal off the list. I just saw his post about sharing intel while i was typing out the list.
Coffeeditto- I dont townread you whatsoever. I dont scumread you. But my read on you is important so im putting it here.
Is this because we were Deja Vu partners last night and i tried to help you to be less universally scumread? I'm wondering what your reasoning is here. Maybe because I hadn't revealed that yet? Not sure why you did.
No, me tunneling is pretty sterotypical of me. I would be surprised if i was scumread for tunneling someone. Now, you pointed out to me that serp also claimed GN. This is why i dont scumread you. I dont townread you because in that same pm your referencing, you referenced (inception) the post where you quoted me and pointed out we shouldnt vig GN unless GN hardclaims. That COULD put you in the same boat as W3 and serp.
Beyond what I mentioned, it seems like you're only putting people of interest who are already read by others, and Cal. Could be a team in the making? Not sure.
I started typing a full read list, but dont have enough actual reads on people to make it any substance so here is a half-assed one.
N+
shockcannon- actually being useful imo but not active enough. Im willing to believe he didnt block kae.
Calindu- is pushing for info roles to reveal. probably doesnt have much for reads or had an info role and doesnt want to be the only one sharing. Either way, wanting more info in the public is towny.
N
Linkcat- Is using the fun format game to have fun. If i was confident enough in Mafia id do the same. gonna be hard to get an actual read i think.
N-
Kaempfer13- Wants to lynch on principle then wants to no lynch. I think hes trying to be a torb from last game and deeptown. But he contradicts himself wayyyyy too much and rambles too much for me to heavy scum read him.
Coffeeditto- I dont townread you whatsoever. I dont scumread you. But my read on you is important so im putting it here.
V
worldwideweb3- serp and w3 both didnt want NK. w3 is also still alive so hes doing too good.
jcj- always scum
I cannot figure out where to put Oa. probably N for now. Everyone else i have no reads on.
Calindu has 3, while killsda and andre have over 5 (17 and 16 respectively). In fact, they have both posted more than you.Beyond what I mentioned, it seems like you're only putting people of interest who are already read by others, and Cal. Could be a team in the making? Not sure.
probably because these are the only people of interest? everyone else has less than 5 posts including signup post.
MW, I would like you to reread through and let me know which PM I sent that said I didn't want to vig unless someone hardclaims. I just read through all of them and the closest thing is asking your opinion on whether or not Link is GN before he started spouting all roles, and agreeing with your scumread on serp.The one where you said im pushing too hard referenced your post about wanting a hardclaim. I cant quote your PM here as that against rules iirc. But it was the lat PM you sent. Sad we didnt get to say goodbye :'( was lonely after rob said i couldnt pm anymore.
Also, you're tunneling me? That's what this is?
I switched so readily because the point of "Enjoyable game" vs "Autowin" is one that carries a lot of weight, if only because it will make everyone have a much better time, and, will allow dead players to get back into a new game ASAP. Extending a 6 cycle game into 10 or something is an extra week of waiting and watching.I agree that the former is true and valid. I wasn't thinking from the perspective of a dead person, because that's not me yet mb. I want to ask you, why do you want to kill w3 and do you think that having the conversation about optimal strategy is valuable if you've just conceded to the more enjoyable way?
I still think there is a valid conversation on which is best in terms of winning the game, but its no contest as to which is the more enjoyable. Plus I already said I would kill w3.
tbh i wanted to send a pm about being sad we wouldn't be able to chat any more but it was an hour before deadline, so :/MW, I would like you to reread through and let me know which PM I sent that said I didn't want to vig unless someone hardclaims. I just read through all of them and the closest thing is asking your opinion on whether or not Link is GN before he started spouting all roles, and agreeing with your scumread on serp.The one where you said im pushing too hard referenced your post about wanting a hardclaim. I cant quote your PM here as that against rules iirc. But it was the lat PM you sent. Sad we didnt get to say goodbye :'( was lonely after rob said i couldnt pm anymore.Also, you're tunneling me? That's what this is?
What? No. I'm tunneling w3. I put you on the list because you didnt claim deja and just wanted a breadcumb in case you choose not to claim.
i understand how you may have been confused by my intent here, but I was vying for the vig of someone claiming GN, not a randomvig/vig outside of GN claim. The hard claim vs soft is beside the point of the post.shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
No vig (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
kaempf's trying to instigate town to vig my check, stay classywell gn obv shouldnt target what everyone agrees to be the vigtarget.GN should claim, but as town we should decide not to eat them if they don't want to be eaten, otherwise it's pretty unlikely they'll actually claim. I at least will not be eating them against their will. I'll probably just eat w3 since it will make me laugh the most.I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asapHere are multiple instances in which you interacted with serprex, who repeatedly softed that he is GN. You missed this after saying you're hypervigilant to slips last game? How much more reliable does this have to get?I think TorB's point here is that the vig should be targetted on a specific claim of GN, not a random vig as kae was suggesting with shock. I firmly believe that a randomvig is not the best idea until we get more information, especially if an otyugh eats a toadfish, and a n0 GN vig should be the only vig for most of the game that we should consider. There are few downsides besides the numbers game. Everything else can be watched or outed by the notifications that come after someone is eaten.More days to roll the vulture role, more days for GN checks. Speeding up the game with vigs allows for fewer uses of info roles to find mafia. Longer games will lead to more accurate lynches.
No. If we kill GN N1, then every single vulture roll late in the game will get GN. Why have 1 GN running around wasting time when we can have 4 and get everyone targeted. You cant play firestall in mafia.
I can agree with the first part.I switched so readily because the point of "Enjoyable game" vs "Autowin" is one that carries a lot of weight, if only because it will make everyone have a much better time, and, will allow dead players to get back into a new game ASAP. Extending a 6 cycle game into 10 or something is an extra week of waiting and watching.I agree that the former is true and valid. I wasn't thinking from the perspective of a dead person, because that's not me yet mb. I want to ask you, why do you want to kill w3 and do you think that having the conversation about optimal strategy is valuable if you've just conceded to the more enjoyable way?
I still think there is a valid conversation on which is best in terms of winning the game, but its no contest as to which is the more enjoyable. Plus I already said I would kill w3.
Valuable from a theory standpoint, but I meant valid not valuable. By valid, I mean that it should still be on the table, and I do think it is the "best" option but in this case I don't believe best is most enjoyable. Plus the more I thought about it the more I realized I would just use it as an excuse to check out.
As for the w3, he pushed back against the GN kill, which in the moment seems fine, but under the hindsight of a dead mafia member, it makes me uneasy. Further, W3 plays like scum anyway, so I don't mind the kill, and lastly, I just want to. If someones going to die, it may as well be a person that went against a (Hindsight) mafia kill. But obviously I can be swayed by something of substance
I would like to hear[...], less fillerish content from Nae, [...]
Do we want otys/toadfish to claim? Especially in case of oty its likely for actually correct play to cause an uproar as its going to be revealed the same night.
Regardless i think it a good idea to hold a vote in the night, where otys/toadfish target the "lynchvote". This doubles our wagonomics as well. It also makes townotys actually using their ability (as they should) less devisive and leashes scumotys to potentially target one of their own.
shock & I are deja vus
So if GN does claim, will mafia actually kill them? The sooner GN dies the sooner we can have multiple GNs. I say GN claims and a kill role kills them off since its unlikely maf will use NK on them.shock & I are deja vusYou AND shock rolled deja N0? seems unlikely.
Oh, I didn't think deja was actually a role in this game. I was just shit posting. Or maybe I was soft hinting why I might be protecting shock from a policy lynch tomorrow
I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asap
I'd prefer not to be eaten so that town can know whether or not to lynch shock asapshock & I are deja vusSo, nice soft and hard, but if you really are GN here, it has been discussed and agreed that you are an optimal vighit n0. It's too risky not to have the role available for vultures and to gain permanent GNs, especially because of the possibility of not rolling one again for a while.
Anyway:
Unofficial nightly lynchvote in case of oty:
shockcannon(1) kaempfer13
I have nothing to go off and killing shock seems like the most protown completely random move.
So, I think the discussion hasn't actually been that clear on "optimal" but maybe that's because I'd want some probabilities calculated rather than people trusting the guy who's just trolling everyone by spamming the thread with claims for all the roles
shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
No vig (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
kaempfer13 (1) - serprex
kaempf's trying to instigate town to vig my check, stay classy
Hes been the only one to claim GN, troll or not.serprex says hi.
torb there is no reliable gn claim rn, so you really cant count on that plan. on average the night action only game results in a townloss so we really need to use all the power we can get.
@cal Not enough people can be arsed to vote so this vote isnt representative so ill no lynch is one of the worst reasons to no lynch yet
serprex has joined the trolltrinity of link and shock. You should notice that those people cant be trusted no matter what. i jump at slips from people were that isnt normal.
but anyway if you want serp as gnclaim to be eaten vote and argue accordingly. If you are trying to make the same push on me as at the end last game you waste your breath
As to why I know serprexs claims cannot be trusted, he was a major contribution to my confusion about shocks role in the game where you died immediately.
So MW's saying silly things, business as usual, but the "vig GN for a fast win" is not how this works. If y'all going to vig me you better understand exactly how we're playing this out
Someone who isn't going to be dead if this plan goes through should post the numbers of how long things should drag out for an EV positive result. "4 vultures" is not realistic. I would hope that people who are on a card game forum would understand something about RNG but apparently this is a mafia forum now where we go off how we're reading people & bucket me into a trolltrinity when I'm posting numerical analysis
I'm pro not holstering N0 vig, I just think kaempfer13 should be the target in that case
7. The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 7 minutes have passed since the last vote was cast or the last vote count was posted. This extension cannot be triggered by the same player twice in a row. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any vote swapping trolling/juggling, or if they set a hard deadline which cannot be extended.Day extensions in this manner will be limited to a maximum of 30 minutes past the scheduled deadline.
Alright, since it seems no one wants to post their findings, I'll post mine.
I was damselfly and targeted serprex. He got targeted by TorB, Link, kae and andre, and he targeted shock.
wtf Link, you forgot your own rules. damselfly sees attempted targeting and i was blocked.
wait it has been changed?
andre i cant tell if you are joking, but it seems clear to me that cal and i are not a team.
andre i cant tell if you are joking, but it seems clear to me that cal and i are not a team.
I still think there is a chance you are town, just didn't had time to process how things stand after rob's clarification.
The info Cal revealed warrants a lynch by principle imo
alright, so anyway once calindu posts it should be clear that no insights conflicting with my claim exist (legacy messages that have been errataed are supposed to be ignored, so we are not supposed to use this as prove of my action)
quick reads
vv
timpa
one of the first people to push for killing gn
link
i absolutely detest the way he plays this, but eating scum!serp after setting himself up to do anything but that just has to mean he's town
andre i cant tell if you are joking, but it seems clear to me that cal and i are not a team.
I still think there is a chance you are town, just didn't had time to process how things stand after rob's clarification.
The info Cal revealed warrants a lynch by principle imo
The info previously revealed is wrong, serp got targeted by TorB, Link and andre only.
But I see absolutely nothing of his usual townplay either except for target kaemp no matter what lol. He wasnt trying to conway any information in riddles or plain text at all. He can die.
How so? Its predicably what the fix was going to be.andre i cant tell if you are joking, but it seems clear to me that cal and i are not a team.
I still think there is a chance you are town, just didn't had time to process how things stand after rob's clarification.
The info Cal revealed warrants a lynch by principle imo
The info previously revealed is wrong, serp got targeted by TorB, Link and andre only.
This makes it even worse
Did you learn anything from your N0 role?
Isn't a psion check just sorta useless since you have a new role now?Well yeah I mean if I got one last night
Oh you meant last night. I'm a stupid headIs this the point where I should say "derpclear not granted"? :-*
Oh you meant last night. I'm a stupid headIs this the point where I should say "derpclear not granted"? :-*
Multiple Devour actions targeting the same person is decided by RNG.
Of the abilities that have lower priority than the Nightkill, only Inflate and Devour are unable to resolve on a dead target.
Whether you were roleblocked or your ability could not resolve for another reason, you should have simply gotten a message saying that your ability failed. There's no distinction between the different causes.
Lastly, at least one other person should already know my role. So maybe try asking around.
no lynch (2) - worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, killsdazombies, Naesala
MasterWalks (2) - Coffeeditto, PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
So lets say kae was actually role blocked by shock. I still wouldnt scumread shock. No one coulda known you were oty, nor that you were going to target serp, nor that serp was GN Maf (besides other maf).
Would i be surprised if shock blocked you? No. Would it make a difference if he did? No
So lets say kae was actually role blocked by shock. I still wouldnt scumread shock. No one coulda known you were oty, nor that you were going to target serp, nor that serp was GN Maf (besides other maf).
Would i be surprised if shock blocked you? No. Would it make a difference if he did? No
Honestly u say all this but tunnel me for saying that we shouldn’t kill GN q.q time to get your vote off me walks
Also there are absolutely no roles that give both insight into a role and who it belongs to other than deja vu, so if thats what it was you may as well say so.
Also, you're tunneling me? That's what this is?
What? No. I'm tunneling w3. I put you on the list because you didnt claim deja and just wanted a breadcumb in case you choose not to claim.
i dont think there is a limit to the number of deja vus, just that they come in pairs each.
i dont think there is a limit to the number of deja vus, just that they come in pairs each.
i dont think there is a limit to the number of deja vus, just that they come in pairs each.
Oh can i get host clarification on this? Coffee and I wondered the same thing and we tried to hint at it earlier but no one clarified.
Deja Vu - Passiveat least - so 0 or 2 required, 2+ possible.
Deja Vu - You may communicate with your fellow Deja Vu by PM at any time, even if your ability is blocked. If a player Hatches into a Deja Vu, there will be at least one other player with the same role. A player's alignment has no impact on whether or not they receive this role.
So lets say kae was actually role blocked by shock. I still wouldnt scumread shock. No one coulda known you were oty, nor that you were going to target serp, nor that serp was GN Maf (besides other maf).
Would i be surprised if shock blocked you? No. Would it make a difference if he did? No
Honestly u say all this but tunnel me for saying that we shouldn’t kill GN q.q time to get your vote off me walks
Im giving kamepf an insanity plea here. Im lynching you because of basic mathmatics. Then, when you flip mafia, Calindu is next in the tunnel.
Btw I dont like either of the topwagons fyi.I'm game at changing, who are your candidates other than shock?
When are we setting the European deadline?/when are European people placing their final votesThe sooner the better?
coffee and i have a hate boner for eachother and I do see similiarities to his last game, I'm not sure how much of this is emotionally tainted though. Also I dont think there is a chance that would gain traction with how loudly he screamed for serps death.I'm townreading Coffee at the moment, I'm not putting my vote on him as of now. shock is a different story, and while I know you two have... history, I have no real reason to scumread him yet. I'd rather kill him than Coffee though, but in a scenario where those two are the only other options I'm definitely sticking to MW.
shock ticks off all the boxes for me at the moment uncooperative✓ could have roleblocked me✓ didnt take a stance on gn matter✓ not trying to help town✓ serp thought it a good idea to claim a result on him ✓
Next I was going to look were the other people that didnt address the issue, but thats you who suggested doing so in the first place and calindu who was forthcoming with his roleclaim, so i kinda townread that too.
not feeling mw, w3 or Nae as previously stated. So next place to look would be the people who pretty much checked out after they supported the gnkill, way after it became a major topic. this would be ian, naii (technically nae, but she gives the lhf vibe) and moe iirc.Nae and MW on the other hand are lynches I can get behind, but yeah I agree it's tough to draw any real juice out of them, especially Nae, for now. On w3 I agree, not feeling anything either direction. I just don't like how his wagon gained this much speed without any real content backing it. ian and Naii are ok targets, I guess. moe I see hasn't logged in in >48 hours, not sure what to make of that.
so yh i think those 5 are my candidates for today. I will not even tiebreak if its someone else (unless new stuff comes up)as resident sleeper actually is the mathematically correct play as i found to my great surprise.
Yeah. I know I'm kinda neglecting it at this stage, and while I do see why kaempf is bringing up, there are too many possible scenarios in play that can fuck it up, with all these roles changing hands, so I'm not really getting the vibe. Not to mention we have notoriously unpredictable people like w3 and shock in the game. Maybe that's reason enough to kill them? :sillyspin:so yh i think those 5 are my candidates for today. I will not even tiebreak if its someone else (unless new stuff comes up)as resident sleeper actually is the mathematically correct play as i found to my great surprise.
Is resident sleeper = no lynch?
so yh i think those 5 are my candidates for today. I will not even tiebreak if its someone else (unless new stuff comes up)as resident sleeper actually is the mathematically correct play as i found to my great surprise.
If I flip town, will you say you’re really really really bad at mathematics?
@Oa, why would you rather leave your vote on me? You scumreading me? If so, why? I thought i was just a parking lot.Lack of better options, tbh. I'm not scumreading you per se, but as of my reads list you're a n- in my book, mostly due to what I view as meaningless tunneling.
I’m about to sleep cause it’s been a long day. Hopefully y’all find a good enough lynch, or come w me on no lynch train. If there’s anything you wanna ask me for the day, do it ASAPIf not you and not no lynch, who right now would you want lynched?
I’m about to sleep cause it’s been a long day. Hopefully y’all find a good enough lynch, or come w me on no lynch train. If there’s anything you wanna ask me for the day, do it ASAPIf not you and not no lynch, who right now would you want lynched?
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no lynch (2) - worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, killsdazombies, Naesala
MasterWalks (2) - Coffeeditto, PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
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no lynch (2) - worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, Linkcat, killsdazombies, Naesala
MasterWalks (2) - Coffeeditto, PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - kaempfer13
I believe this is the current vote count, and with 4 in favor of your death you could say the gun IS against your head
@Oa, why would you rather leave your vote on me? You scumreading me? If so, why? I thought i was just a parking lot.Lack of better options, tbh. I'm not scumreading you per se, but as of my reads list you're a n- in my book, mostly due to what I view as meaningless tunneling.
mw, why would you clear cal if w3 flips town? Does the same apply vice versa?
MW this is a very unusual case where consistently no lynching is actually correct, because the number of gns around disproportionally increases over time. by the time we reach lylo this way over 70% of players will likely have had at least one peek.
MW this is a very unusual case where consistently no lynching is actually correct, because the number of gns around disproportionally increases over time. by the time we reach lylo this way over 70% of players will likely have had at least one peek.
Ok. I will admit not thinking of the GNs increasing.
But wouldnt that be more important later in the game? shouldnt we be lynching now before the GN numbers grow? Actual questions, im not arguing.
If u lynch now on some bad reads where the person is not too likely to be maf, you’re decreasing number of future Potential GNs
well it would be best to stick to the plan all the way through. A hybrid might be worse than either approach. Since we dont really have a clear poe right now an earlier lynch is slightly worse, as it decreases the number of people that can become gn. But i would say stick to one approach.
also your approach doesnt make any sense. lynching now and then no lynching slims down the pool of people that can become gn fast as well as the number of kills scum has to make. stopping doesnt make sense at all. If hybrid then no lynch first.
welp its about time for me to hit the sack. I dont think i will set an alarm to 3am.
I cant say I got the feel that w3 is scum (and mw isnt a viable alternative), but its not really enough for a proper defense of him. Momentum of trains also means less than usual with a town to scum ratio of 6:1, otherwise i would point out he got traction too easily. Such as it is even if topwagon is scum, there would only be one person with vested interest in defending them and that person would probably be too demotivated to post at all.
so who we flipping to fellasyeah
Naesala, if you had a useless role, then tell us what that role is. I promise, if its a blocking role no one will care because kaempf has completely lost his marbles. Also, you are the chamber where echoes happen. Bring us an original idea plz.
(technically nae, but she gives the lhf vibe)
Laminated Hardwood Flooring
It means you're easy to walk over.
I'm bad at math(https://pics.me.me/the-risk-i-took-was-calculated-but-man-am-i-29685393.png)
Obv it doesnt directly affect me personally anymore, but whats our stance on vigging now? no vig, up to the owner or public vote? because I still like the last option and if we refuse to no lynch we may as well vig too.
Laminated Hardwood FlooringHell yeah I am
It means you're easy to walk over.
Okay nae, I'll ask questions then.
Who did ya target, if anyone, with Nymph? Probs yourself I assume.
Do you scumread Kae at all for seemingly losing his damn mind? Or do you think that makes him more towny?
Do you feel like revealing who you are targeting tonight if it will help us to read back on it later?
Do you have reads on anyone that someone else hasn't brought up?
Because that means my theory on GN vig is false. Yea sure, vise versa. I might be more inclined to Cal as w3 is actually posting. But W3 didnt want to lynch GN, and no lynch helps maf more than town and he believes in no lynch.. So im basing this on his opinions.
Y'all give me a better option. This tunnel has exits. Shock is really not a better option. Kae might be an option but thats just because he seems confused and he normally doesnt. So based on my mathematical theory of (serp+w3+cal)/ N= Mafia; the team is W3, Cal, Serp
N= not wanting to vig gn
Hi, my name is MasterWalks and i guess im a parking lot.
Everything kae has done has left a sour taste in my mouth. He wants to kill shock on policy. Then he wants to no lynch. Then he wants to kill shock because there is no way any of the other 6 people who havent claimed coulda role blocked you. There are whole pages where people (mostly coffee) tear apart everything youve said just to figure out what is total non sense and what makes sense. You say you are surprised i was "coherent" first round, but bruh, youre just mumbling through this.
Not sure if i wanna fully scum read you yet, but you have me perplexed.
Coffee, not sure what else you want me to say. Get your vote off me.
Naesala, if you had a useless role, then tell us what that role is. I promise, if its a blocking role no one will care because kaempf has completely lost his marbles. Also, you are the chamber where echoes happen. Bring us an original idea plz.
Coffee also talks a lot and says little. Link seems pretty cool.your opinion is that Link talks less and says more than I do in this game?
I'll be honest with you, I totally missed the post about serprex being GN, just like I forgot to vote D1, I just felt that vig N0 with no info is bad, totally missed the fact that we actually had info.This is a terrible cover. In fact just saying that makes me light read you. "Look at me! I am the exact same as last game and I wasnt scum then, so i must not be scum this game!" cmon cal.
Last game I didn't really post either, and look, I turned out to be town.
You are pretty bad at math.
I don't really like your scumread on kae, it just feels random as hell, since he did confirm he targeted serp N0.
I also really dislike pushing Nae to reveal like that. The only reason I pushed people to reveal is because I had an investigative role and wanted to catch people lying.
I'm more interested in andre's role, since he successfully targeted serp N0 and I do not see him mentioning his role.
I'm more interested in andre's role, since he successfully targeted serp N0 and I do not see him mentioning his role.
Well, unfortunately I rolled town again, so time for some town tips I thought of:
- There is no good reason not to immediately reveal any Golden Nymph result you find, unless you obtained it through Vulture/Crusader.
- Not voting to hide Graboids identity can be extra helpful now that Graboids are forced to not vote before they are invincible.
- You can only roll each role once as Fate Egg, this means that claiming every single action will make it easier to deduce your possible roles. So don't go around claiming everything unless you have a good idea on how that helps town.
I also have a radical suggestion: for someone that rolled the Golden Nymph role to claim. They could be targeted by Crusaders and Dragonflies, Dragonflies will monitor and reveal any mafia with disruptive abilities trying to get Golden Nymph from using theirs. Having them get (Night)killed N0 is a bonus, since every time someone randoms Vulture afterwards, they'll then turn into a cop (or have that option, it's the best option as town, right?).
EoD is 3am for me, so don't get your hopes up on me being on for it.
I think it would be interesting for FFQ to target the GN too, in order to have a way to check if the plan went through.
Amber Nymph targetting GN could also get around a mafia!Anubis trying to pass off as a Seraph (getting themselves immaterial to avoid investigation). But then again, a mafia!Anubis could just target GN and combo it with the NK.
Anyway, having more people targetting GN besides just crusaders and dragonflies makes it harder for a scum!dragonfly to find out who our more permanent GN is.
A more aggressive version of the plan is to just have a town!Oty devour the GN. In this case, FFQ and crusader can still do their work, while a scum!dragonfly would fail in trying to find the new GN and as a bonus the vultures can fetch GN too.
Overall I think the plan is +EV for town and I like our odds.
that is, I was crowding GN a little to make a Sader harder to track downandre i cant tell if you are joking, but it seems clear to me that cal and i are not a team.
I still think there is a chance you are town, just didn't had time to process how things stand after rob's clarification.
The info Cal revealed warrants a lynch by principle imo
This is a terrible cover. In fact just saying that makes me light read you. "Look at me! I am the exact same as last game and I wasnt scum then, so i must not be scum this game!" cmon cal.
Im pushing nae because they havent said much of anything. The more people who talk the more info we have to work with. Good or bad. If you wanna argue why i pushed Nae and not shock, ian, moe, or Naii then yea we can go back and forth on that. But im just trying to get some content here.
This tells me that you are either scum or really bad at this.
Yeah.Coffee also talks a lot and says little. Link seems pretty cool.your opinion is that Link talks less and says more than I do in this game?
This is a terrible cover. In fact just saying that makes me light read you. "Look at me! I am the exact same as last game and I wasnt scum then, so i must not be scum this game!" cmon cal.
But this has been your motivation of voting in a previous mafia, "Oh look, Calindu plays similar to the way he played in a mafia game, so he must mafia".
Actually, i was killed last game for acting differently.Im pushing nae because they havent said much of anything. The more people who talk the more info we have to work with. Good or bad. If you wanna argue why i pushed Nae and not shock, ian, moe, or Naii then yea we can go back and forth on that. But im just trying to get some content here.
I don't argue about your push on Nae, I'm just not sure why your push was pretty much asking for a role reveal.
ya a role reveal for last round, because with Fate Eggs, why wouldnt we be claiming? And the question as to who they are targetting tonight, i made sure to word in a way that they should only reveal that if it will help to go back on. They apparently thought it might help.
@shock did you target me?
@shock did you target me?
Yes
having a partner die so early decreases motivation to post, while seeing a scum die early as town should increase motivation to post.
Also, I vote on w3 every opportunity I get.And that is just terrible play.
Ok, this checks out.
Something else I'm curious about:
@Cal, did you target anyone?
Ok, I'm currently on momentum and immaterial. I also psion'd Cal last night. It's possible, but not easy to test his claim later on.Did you get both of these statuses tonight?
Ok, I'm currently on momentum and immaterial. I also psion'd Cal last night. It's possible, but not easy to test his claim later on.Did you get both of these statuses tonight?
Hm okay, interesting. I'm not sure if going on a witch hunt for the Anubis is correct play, but are there any better leads now? Mathematically kaempfer is 50/50 to be Anubis. I'd like to see more discussion on our next lynch target tbh, and I'd feel bad for starting a wagon on such thin ground (read: w3 last day). I'm game with lynching anyone on n or n-, maybe even n+ if there comes up some convincing stuff. I'm pretty convinced andretimpa is town following the recent events. Updated readlist below:Ok, I'm currently on momentum and immaterial. I also psion'd Cal last night. It's possible, but not easy to test his claim later on.Did you get both of these statuses tonight?
Yes
v
Coffee
kdz
MW
n+
Naii
kae
andre
n
Nae
Oa
Cal
n-
iancu
moe
shock
v
andretimpa
n+
kdz, moehrpi, Coffeeditto
n
kaempfer, Naii, shock
n-
Naesala, MW, Calindu, iancu
@Oa I will post his role later. I think it's better that more people weigh in first.Yeah I agree with that
Was dragonfly last night. Nae told the truth.
Was dragonfly last night. Nae told the truth.
What truth did I tell? Please elaborate.
There's a lot of people who aren't talking and that's allowing things like Anubis to go off safely and hidden. I will acknowledge that it's technically possible I was Anubis and gave andre immortality, but I'm hoping someone can confirm me with their info. I was psion this past night, and looking to confirm a couple theories I had.I dont get why you would put up a riddle containing your role but refuse to claim. Anyway all i found was a "cool" indicating arctic squid in your first post (but that was before you were assigned a role, so that doesnt help) and you declaring that someone already knows your role (which is either bullshit, a random guess you have no way of knowing, or admitting to a maf partner).
Also @Oa:
I actually think we definitely should go on a witch hunt. It's very possible if everyone shares their info we can catch someone in a lie or maybe even flat out find the mafia Anubis. Right now there are 4 possible candidates:
1.) myself. I could be faking my role and saying my ability failed when in reality I'm just the Anubis
2.) andre. He could be lying about his visit and gave himself immortality
3.) kaempf. He said he targeted andre.
4.) someone else.
Options 2 and 3 seem unlikely and very risky on the respective players parts' UNLESS there's some mafia on mafia interactions going on.
Option 1 I obviously know to be 100% false but I suppose I currently have no alibi from anyone else.
Option 4 seems likely, and we need to get people to start talking.
Also @kaempf:
Now that we've made it past two nights I'll have you know my role from night 1 is hidden in one of my first couple posts. I don't remember which one and I don't feel like checking. Probably won't convince you of anything, but it's there for anyone else. Probably irrelevant anyways because it's still quite likely that kaempf's ability just failed because of the double devour situation.I think I've caught a major slip up by a certain a player. I need the next night to confirm something though. If I find what I'm looking for I should have this game solved the following day.
@mafia
You better get me lynched today or kill me the next night otherwise the :fire will burn brightly and its fuel will be you.
Ah, okay, yes. I'm a little confused though, I was under the impression dragonfly was slower than Anubis. I guess "regardless of priority" means dragonfly is actually first in priority rather than "regardless off the order they happened". Seems weird but okay.Was dragonfly last night. Nae told the truth.
What truth did I tell? Please elaborate.
That you were going to target yourself.
wtf is up with everyone getting anubis. Also using it in general tends to be bad, as it makes it impossible to alignement check or protect the target from the nightkill. dont use Anubis.If it helps, I'm Phoenix now. You could lynch me and it wouldn't matter. I was just covering my butt vs. future poison because I'm adrenalined.
Now, I'm not holding it against nae, mw confirms that she wasnt the one targeting timpa and reading the role its drawbacks arent immediately obvious, so i would believe her if she said she had the best intentions. Still she's impossible to alignement check in the future, so that already makes it more attractive to lynch her; not really a priority though and a pretty thin reason to do so unless we already have a lot of clear town, which we dont.
-snip- i need clarification on how fate egg works, does it override psions ability to find all secondaries, by masking it as that nights ability? and can only that role also be crusaded? -snip-
A HOST ERROR HAS BEEN CORRECTED.A bit confusing without context; is the error something we can know about?
Please carry on with your day's work, and don't forget expense reports are due every 2nd Friday of the 3rd month after 3-month look ahead manpower projections are formally input to the database.
If it helps, I'm Phoenix now. You could lynch me and it wouldn't matter. I was just covering my butt vs. future poison because I'm adrenalined.
Hello, I wanted to pop in before i have the ability to be more active and reflect upon all that has happened, but I was Firefly Queen on MW last night and I got a message back saying something like Fly on the Wall.
oh dude niceHello, I wanted to pop in before i have the ability to be more active and reflect upon all that has happened, but I was Firefly Queen on MW last night and I got a message back saying something like Fly on the Wall.
Dragonfly has the ability of "Fly on the Wall". I was Dragonfly last night
Ah, okay, yes. I'm a little confused though, I was under the impression dragonfly was slower than Anubis. I guess "regardless of priority" means dragonfly is actually first in priority rather than "regardless off the order they happened". Seems weird but okay.
In layman's terms, Anubis is faster than dragonfly therefore I shouldn't have seen you use your ability.Is that what Rob screwed up? Rob, can I get a confirmation?
Did you catch a firefly then, mw?
We still going with the no lynch plan?Feels a bit odd to me considering we lynched yesterday - I’ll flesh out a vote in a couple of hours if nothing has happened, or are we actually pulling the uno reverse?
We still going with the no lynch plan?
kae, why would you give andre momentum?so he cant get blocked duh
kae, why would you give andre momentum?so he cant get blocked duh
I'd like to shift gears a little and try and hear some read lists/reads in general from people. Im typing up one myself but mobile might take a bit. Also, I'd like some low posters to talk. Seems sus to me thst the two people who force others to talk are dead and the silent crowd is quite large (myself included)
v
Coffeeditto / MasterWalks
I'm in part trusting Link here, but the whole damselfly interaction seemed town to me
n+
shockcannon
As I said in a previous post, the way serp put shock in the spotlight sounds really dangerous if they were a team. The way he acted today seems to make sense for town, tho I'd still like to know what he targeted me with
killsdazombies
The way he seemed to ponder torb's plan before jumping in seems more townleaning to me. His playstyle is the same as the last games, keeping his cards close to the chest. For the first days I see no problem with letting him do that.
Naesala
Volunteered to be a lynch once she realized we couldn't check her (an offer I'd take, but not today). Seems like legitimately confused town.
n
PlayerOa
I'm keeping Oa here until we finish clearing him up, but I'm more inclined to believe him being deja (I was a bit paranoid about him having claimed to be Anubis in n0 due to rolling it in n1, but that seems too risky to combo with a deja claim)
kaempfer13
I had him at n- due to his interaction with serp (I commented that in a previous post), but his behaviour today shaked a bit of my suspicions.
Naii_the_Baf
He could be lying about not having used Anubis, but that'd be a ballsy move tbh
n-
iancudorinmarian
ian seems sus by default, it's a trait he kinda shares with w3. His behaviour has been rubbing me the wrong way
moehrpi
no content, heading to a MK
Calindu
this is still due to him spilling his damselfly beans in D1
If someone tells me what v/N+/N/N- specifically mean I'll give my thoughts, sorry again for not knowing my slang (though I have a general idea)Basically, vv > v > n+ > n > n- > w > ww
If someone tells me what v/N+/N/N- specifically mean I'll give my thoughts, sorry again for not knowing my slang (though I have a general idea)
If someone tells me what v/N+/N/N- specifically mean I'll give my thoughts, sorry again for not knowing my slang (though I have a general idea)
Naii: Relatively inactive, claiming Anubis when odds seem relatively unlikely, 'accidentally' hit post and didn't update for half an hour...don't like it
Rare triple post, but in an effort to encourage people to speak, I want to see at least a meme or something insightful from every player or "Something" might happen to them. I've been feeling rather peckish and I need "Something" to sate my appetite
"Something"
I think Oa and Naii should be hit with some info roles.
btw, we could test Cal's claim by having him target Nae, depending on what he rolled this night.Which claim?
btw, we could test Cal's claim by having him target Nae, depending on what he rolled this night.Which claim?
btw, we could test Cal's claim by having him target Nae, depending on what he rolled this night.
Additionally there is some delicious irony in that, given that andre pulled the same move in the mafia hosted by oa and oa considered it a good move.lol. Was an OK move in 73 due to serp being confirmed town and an obvious healer target. I still found it a bit.. ballsy, tbh. Led to a witch hunt that took timpa down and Ge0 with him. This is a completely different game tho... If I were scum, I would have been veeeery careful on throwing immaterial around, due to paranoia from the exact same scenario you're trying to shame me on. The narrative is good, I'll give you that, but unfortunately in this case it's wrong and only a red herring that will lead us nowhere
Nah letting us hunt for the culprit and potentially mislynch people for that reason alone is def a scummove. There is no point deflecting from anubis at this point in time.Alright then, I gotta admit I've lost track, what's the pool of possible Anubises?
shock: Few posts, but besides the targeting ones (which could very well be crumbs for later use), I don't find him scummy tbh. Didn't actually say his target N1 and claimed D2 to have targeted andre, so n-.
I'm targeting coffee tonight.
I’m targetting shockcannon tonight.
That feels like a strange kill
It's only me, I believe. Made a check on everyone's claims.Is this a straight up admit to being Anubis, or did I misunderstand your post? If so, admitting to it is not really something I see scum would do... but the move itself is pretty damn scummy. Some WIFOM shit right there. Reminds me a bit of the Coffee vigging d2d situation last game. Placing my vote on Naii for time being.
Naii: Anubis
It's only me, I believe. Made a check on everyone's claims.Is this a straight up admit to being Anubis, or did I misunderstand your post? If so, admitting to it is not really something I see scum would do... but the move itself is pretty damn scummy. Some WIFOM shit right there. Reminds me a bit of the Coffee vigging d2d situation last game. Placing my vote on Naii for time being.
Naii: Anubis
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
Right, I had somehow completely missed that post. Well then kdz, ball's over to you I guessIt's only me, I believe. Made a check on everyone's claims.Is this a straight up admit to being Anubis, or did I misunderstand your post? If so, admitting to it is not really something I see scum would do... but the move itself is pretty damn scummy. Some WIFOM shit right there. Reminds me a bit of the Coffee vigging d2d situation last game. Placing my vote on Naii for time being.
Naii: Anubis
Naii_the_Baf (1) - PlayerOa
I claimed Anubis at the very start of D2 as well.
Frankly, everyone who voted yesterday has a + bump in my book for actually participating, and everyone who didn't has a mark against them.While I didn't vote myself, I can agree with this sentiment.
For clarity, we are talking about n1 right?Yup, trying to hunt down the Anubis which made andretimpa immaterial. Is there any chance that a now-dead player could have done it? Because if not, then someone's lying not wanting to take responsibility for making him immaterial.. and that is a bad bad thing to lie about
Is there any chance that a now-dead player could have done it?
Is there any chance that a now-dead player could have done it?
That involves Link having a stroke and thinking it was a good idea to do it, but it is a possibility.
Well that's the problem - there's no way we can confirm anything of that now, and it's just words vs words. I'm pretty pissed I got deja paired with the one guy who had hard drive trouble and couldn't confirm, so there's that alibi...Is there any chance that a now-dead player could have done it?
That involves Link having a stroke and thinking it was a good idea to do it, but it is a possibility.
Well has everyone role usage been confirmed? Its pretty easy to lie in this fate egg game. I dont think we live in a world where a town uses anibus
I need to a few specific players to talk first so I can get the last pieces I need of the puzzle, but a big post will be coming soon from me. I'll share all my roles in it also, but if you want a sneak peak, I have bread crumbed all my roles already. Goodluck finding them though, I made it hard. :P
Is there any chance that a now-dead player could have done it?
That involves Link having a stroke and thinking it was a good idea to do it, but it is a possibility.
Is there any chance that a now-dead player could have done it?
That involves Link having a stroke and thinking it was a good idea to do it, but it is a possibility.
It's possible that it was ian as well.
Is there any chance that a now-dead player could have done it?
That involves Link having a stroke and thinking it was a good idea to do it, but it is a possibility.
It's possible that it was ian as well.
Last I checked ian was town. He also played in a game as scum where Anubis to dodge doctors was used heavily.
Basic Read list:that has kae and Cal as scumleans (+ MW being townread by everyone). Tho if I were scum I'd have just ignored the list altogether (very easy to write it off as MW being wrong)
N+
Coffee
Shock
N
Nae
andre
kdz
N-
Oa
kaempf
Naii
Cal
Public roleclaimsI think it unlikely that scum would both end up having no alibi. As such i think exactly of kdz,oa, shock and naii is scum. But it might actually be better to look at it the other way around. Who would be sure to have an alibi? This would be the info roles and buffers targeting people other than themselves. Out of the unflipped people that leaves myself, coffee
me: n0 oty failed to kill serp
n1 gave momentum to andre
moehrpi: cosplays as skeleton, modkill approaching
Naii: n0 if it was claimed i missed it
n1 Anubis, claims no use
ian: n1 implied dragonfly, no real claims
cal: n0 dragonfly on serp; saw andre and dead town target serp
claims targeting self n1 (amber nymph)
shockcannon: claims to have claimed sth n0
n1 psion on andre failed due to anubis on andre
nae: n0 green nymph self
n1 anubis self
Oa: n0 anubis on noone
n1 deja with moe
kdz: claims seraph n1
MW: n0 deja with coffee
n1 dragonfly on nae
timpa: n0 green nymph on serp
n1 psion on calindu
coffee: n0 deja
N1 ffq on mw no result
No pressure, but I actually really do need Coffee to share about his night actions before I post.
I have just finished moving back into college, and will be more active again. As far as my night actions went last night, I had intended to target shock with my Iridium Warden but didn't send in the PM so I didn't.
Naii_the_Baf (2) - PlayerOa, NaesalaFYI we EU people can't stall all the way until deadline, I'd like to discuss and hopefully conclude voting within 3 hours if possible.
Calindu (2) - Naii_the_Baf, killsdazombies
Coffeeditto (2) - kaempfer13, andretimpa
Just want to avoid any train running loose before Coffee shows up.
Are 24h extensions still a thing?
@rob Thank you corporateoverlordequal
Okay, my scumread on kdz doesn't really hold anymore.
I'm currently considering a scenario where kae/Cal are w/w.
We are yet to see a reason for the N1 Amber Nymph usage from kae's part. andre was given momentum, so an Amber Nymph was definitely used. His psion check on Cal returned Amber Nymph as well. Cal did not counter it, so we can somewhat safely assume it is true. That means that if Cal is lying and targeted andre, then an Anubis!kae could use it as a cover to claim Amber Nymph as well.
It's even better because I was Deja Vu with Calindu last night, so it couldn't be proven previously.
Naii_the_Baf (2) - PlayerOa, andretimpa
Calindu (1) - Naii_the_Baf
I'm fine with an extension as well. Please cast my vote for extendo, if not solely because my internet will be fixed tomorrow :)
I'm targeting kaempfer13 tonight.If you had clicked on quote on this post, you would have noticed that at the end of the sentence there are two random colors with no text. Yellow and dimgray, the respective colors for time and darkness. The only role that has ties with time and darkness would be ghost of the past due to its usage in ghostmare. I did in fact target kaempfer. Partially for the memes, partially because I had already started to suspect some odd play out of him. First, we have the fact that he pushed quite hard for a no vig scenario. Second, it felt like he was being a little more aggressive than normal and looking to establish control a lot earlier, with more assertive statements rather than questioning from the past. Now, this means absolutely nothing because N0 reads are absolutely worthless in my opinion and I will always believe that. But it was more than enough to justify using ghost of the past on him, especially because I knew there was a high chance he would try to policy lynch me and I wanted to spite him. Terrible town play? Maybe. But at least if I go down, he's useless for the rest of the game so maybe he'll think twice before randomly lynching me.
Lastly, at least one other person should already know my role. So maybe try asking around.Obviously, I had no way of knowing if someone knew my role. But what's the only role that does let people know other roles? Well it's psion. Psion has 5 letters, "so maybe try asking around" has 5 words. No other role in the game has 5 letters.
I'm targeting coffee tonight.If you click quote on the post, you will notice that a sentence is written in transparent color. The message reads, "Within the earth lies the secrets of the elements."
Within the earth lies the secrets of the elements.
It's not in this mafia's rules and it's also technically not hidden.
OOC:
@kdz
That was mafia 72─ shock got modkilled for hiding a message in bbc. That rule was set by the host (Ginyu), not as a general mafia rule, so it's particular to that mafia and not global.
Naii_the_Baf (2) - PlayerOa, Calindu
Calindu (2) - Naii_the_Baf, killsdazombies
Coffeeditto (2) - kaempfer13, andretimpa
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Naesala
I've been reading Kaemp as scum all game, shock seems to have a good case. I'm not convinced about kdz, but shock's write up seems pretty strong otherwise.
Also, a transparent reminder; I have adrenaline, so the vote isn't tied at 2's. And yes, I had Anubis, claimed I targeted myself, and that's confirmed by rob mistake and MW.
I dont think adren affects the voting
Something that's uncomfortable is the amount of players who have claimed Anubis straight up. Like, there's been an unusual amount. These are potential suspects as well, who could be claiming their role correctly in case someone used psion on them, but are lying about usage, since they realized they did not get caught.
EXTENDED 24HRS.
DAY 3 has concluded.
@shock did you target me?
I accidentally clicked post before finishing my previous post.
I was Anubis last night. I didn't use it.
Hold up. Look at the timing of those posts. Naii had no way of knowing anubis would be rolehunted at the time that he claimed it, unless he is the culprit after all (and he wanted to claim it even earlier). he might have slipped here.Something that's uncomfortable is the amount of players who have claimed Anubis straight up. Like, there's been an unusual amount. These are potential suspects as well, who could be claiming their role correctly in case someone used psion on them, but are lying about usage, since they realized they did not get caught.
Keep in mind Dragonfly and FFQ are a thing too. The reason I claimed Anubis so early into D2 as opposed to waiting a bit before claiming was because Anubis activity happened, and Psion or either aforementioned roles may exist. I would rather both claim on my own and do it as soon as possible, as a later claim could have well put me under more fire than I already am in for just claiming the scummy role. I did so before knowing everyone's targets/roles as well; it's kinda stupid to risk it so much when anyone could have gotten either of those and targeted you, no? I find Anubis claims more credible the sooner they were made.
Hold up. Look at the timing of those posts. Naii had no way of knowing anubis would be rolehunted at the time that he claimed it, unless he is the culprit after all (and he wanted to claim it even earlier). he might have slipped here.
I considered waiting to share, but I suppose I'll go first and then info roles can maybe catch something. So, my ability failed last night, which means someone role blocked me or I hit an immortal.
I consider both to be pretty indicative of a mafia, especially given this particular fate egg game.
I accidentally clicked post before finishing my previous post.
I was Anubis last night. I didn't use it.
It could also be mafia making sure the next NK cannot be prevented.
@kae: Switch with me on Naii, I really don't believe you are mafia and I don't want to vote on you. It's unlikely I'll be able to be online before the deadline as well.Lynching Coffee is an interesting case because if he flips town, kaempfer's theory of Coffee/me as w/w can be debunked for good. If he flips mafia, though, I seem to be in a bad spot due to said theory - but I'd happily bow down as a consequence of hitting scum.
I'm also willing to switch on Coffee if Oa switches with me.
Why is this a priority for you? you said earlier that you townread coffee as well, so all this serves is to make you look better (actually regardless what coffee flips considering you would bus him on a whim if w/w), which is actually really scummy tbh. Its obv very hard to actually get votes on you as is, so town!you should be happy with that and focus on actually solving the game. If you dont think lynching coffee will bring us closer to the solution then dont suggest it.@kae: Switch with me on Naii, I really don't believe you are mafia and I don't want to vote on you. It's unlikely I'll be able to be online before the deadline as well.Lynching Coffee is an interesting case because if he flips town, kaempfer's theory of Coffee/me as w/w can be debunked for good. If he flips mafia, though, I seem to be in a bad spot due to said theory - but I'd happily bow down as a consequence of hitting scum.
I'm also willing to switch on Coffee if Oa switches with me.
So, first of all, I didn't suggest anything. This was a plain response to Calindu's request on moving the votes over to Coffee, which I never did. Secondly, I don't necessarily want to lynch Coffee. I've been (slightly) townreading him throughout the duration of this whole game, and while I don't believe he's scum, I can't ignore the fact there's a slight chance he is. The only scenario I can see myself lynching Coffee in, with todays game state, is self preservation tbh. So please don't imply killing Coffee is a priority for me when it's the opposite.Why is this a priority for you? you said earlier that you townread coffee as well, so all this serves is to make you look better (actually regardless what coffee flips considering you would bus him on a whim if w/w), which is actually really scummy tbh. Its obv very hard to actually get votes on you as is, so town!you should be happy with that and focus on actually solving the game. If you dont think lynching coffee will bring us closer to the solution then dont suggest it.@kae: Switch with me on Naii, I really don't believe you are mafia and I don't want to vote on you. It's unlikely I'll be able to be online before the deadline as well.Lynching Coffee is an interesting case because if he flips town, kaempfer's theory of Coffee/me as w/w can be debunked for good. If he flips mafia, though, I seem to be in a bad spot due to said theory - but I'd happily bow down as a consequence of hitting scum.
I'm also willing to switch on Coffee if Oa switches with me.
I appreciate the support, but I have to question your motivation is.
oh yh forgot to mention the world where timpa and I are a team, lol :P
The tempered forest speaks with strong barks.Shall i add your green nymph claim?
The tempered forest speaks with strong barks.
Clearly mindflayerThe tempered forest speaks with strong barks.
grabboid, got it
oh, does the unprotectable clause of gn override seraphs targeting immunity?Wait that actually makes tons of sense
Speaking of 50%; please make it so that your combined efforts at least amount to my post number today; we cant win if I'm the only one posting/solving.
So, first of all, I didn't suggest anything. This was a plain response to Calindu's request on moving the votes over to Coffee, which I never did. Secondly, I don't necessarily want to lynch Coffee. I've been (slightly) townreading him throughout the duration of this whole game, and while I don't believe he's scum, I can't ignore the fact there's a slight chance he is. The only scenario I can see myself lynching Coffee in, with todays game state, is self preservation tbh. So please don't imply killing Coffee is a priority for me when it's the opposite.Why is this a priority for you? you said earlier that you townread coffee as well, so all this serves is to make you look better (actually regardless what coffee flips considering you would bus him on a whim if w/w), which is actually really scummy tbh. Its obv very hard to actually get votes on you as is, so town!you should be happy with that and focus on actually solving the game. If you dont think lynching coffee will bring us closer to the solution then dont suggest it.@kae: Switch with me on Naii, I really don't believe you are mafia and I don't want to vote on you. It's unlikely I'll be able to be online before the deadline as well.Lynching Coffee is an interesting case because if he flips town, kaempfer's theory of Coffee/me as w/w can be debunked for good. If he flips mafia, though, I seem to be in a bad spot due to said theory - but I'd happily bow down as a consequence of hitting scum.
I'm also willing to switch on Coffee if Oa switches with me.
I appreciate the support, but I have to question your motivation is.
Naii flipping green surprises me. How did Ghost work with Fate Egg, again? Does it replace the Fate Egg role, or just the latest secondary for one cycle, or only potential Crusader/Vulture grabbed roles?
This is a terrible cover. In fact just saying that makes me light read you. "Look at me! I am the exact same as last game and I wasnt scum then, so i must not be scum this game!" cmon cal.
But this has been your motivation of voting in a previous mafia, "Oh look, Calindu plays similar to the way he played in a mafia game, so he must mafia".Im pushing nae because they havent said much of anything. The more people who talk the more info we have to work with. Good or bad. If you wanna argue why i pushed Nae and not shock, ian, moe, or Naii then yea we can go back and forth on that. But im just trying to get some content here.
I don't argue about your push on Nae, I'm just not sure why your push was pretty much asking for a role reveal.This tells me that you are either scum or really bad at this.
Why would I ever claim my info if I were mafia? Wouldn't it have been infinitely better to just keep it shut and not reveal my info if I were mafia, since I would know only you could know I targeted serp? I didn't force anyone to reveal with my own reveal, I just think getting the info out early can help in this type of setup.
...
I'm more interested in andre's role, since he successfully targeted serp N0 and I do not see him mentioning his role.
From nae I want : A general take, it can be surface level, I just want some thoughts
@kae: Switch with me on Naii, I really don't believe you are mafia and I don't want to vote on you. It's unlikely I'll be able to be online before the deadline as well.even if he wanted specifically someone from the naii train to switch with him why wouldnt he ask nae?
I'm also willing to switch on Coffee if Oa switches with me.
Naii_the_Baf (2) - PlayerOa, Calindu
Calindu (3) - Naii_the_Baf, killsdazombies, andretimpa
Coffeeditto (1) - kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Naesala
So either realize that my reads are not that far fetched or convince me that someone else is more likely to be mafia using real evidence.You've been given such and havent provided said thing yourself. Heck even if you are town your complete unwillingness to learn, reevaluate and actually adress what people are saying makes you a mandatory lynch period.
@shock The other one that claimed Anubis is Nae, but MW + rob derping messages confirms that she targetted herself.Hm, actually I didnt have to search long for a potential breadcrumb from timpa. Obv he wanted to let your supposed mafia team win.
About the rest of the evidence, try rereading things assuming kdz is town. The people in your watchlist sound much more believable as a potential partner for kae. I'd rather sort kae on D4 tho.
Naii_the_Baf (2) - PlayerOa, andretimpaOk yh, he really wasnt even subtle, I actually feel dumb for ever thinking someone else was his target.
killsdazombies (1) - Naii_the_Baf
As I said in my reads, I'm willing to vouch for kdz being town.
Oh Nae, don’t you know?
The tempered forest ALWAYS speaks with loud barks.
Pardon if I've missed something here, but where did I get involved in this?So either realize that my reads are not that far fetched or convince me that someone else is more likely to be mafia using real evidence.You've been given such and havent provided said thing yourself. Heck even if you are town your complete unwillingness to learn, reevaluate and actually adress what people are saying makes you a mandatory lynch period.
I wasnt gonna give oa a sense of security too early in case he was scum after all, hence why i told you in pm rather than in thread, but i guess its out now.
Also even if you believe in that world, kdz is the lynch that is mechanically correct at this point in time.
Also I cant believe you're not willing to talk to me in pms when you are allowed to. Seems like the thing town!you would want to get as much out of as possible. Afraid to give yourselves away further?
Knowing timpa was GN.. yeah this would be as good as a confirmation for me, but the timestamp of timpa's post made me curious, so I dived a bit into his claims. This was posted during D3, where he would have had three night phases to grab GN; N0, N1 and N2. For timpa to have received a green peek on kdz within D3, he would have needed to grab GN N0 or N1 to have enough time to use his ability. He was confirmed to have targeted serp N0 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-75-by-rob77dp/msg1302295/#msg1302295), where he claimed green nymph - I guess this is the part where timpa hid a Crusader role so he could grab serp's GN.Naii_the_Baf (2) - PlayerOa, andretimpaOk yh, he really wasnt even subtle, I actually feel dumb for ever thinking someone else was his target.
killsdazombies (1) - Naii_the_Baf
As I said in my reads, I'm willing to vouch for kdz being town.
vConsidering everything I have gathered, I'm fairly confident that kdz is town. You guys should listen to him and start to actually play the game.
Dunno how I'm sus when I've both been compliant, honest, and volunteered myself for lynch when I had Phoenix.I appreciate the honesty and willingness to listen to town, but this feels a bit off to me - if you're town, why would you ever want to die the martyrdom without having the chance to drag scum with you, or at the very least confirm someone/something? Let's be honest, how much would a dead-but-still-speaking Naesala help us long term?
oops this was the votecount at the time so ignore the bit about Naii trainQuoteNaii_the_Baf (2) - PlayerOa, Calindu
Calindu (3) - Naii_the_Baf, killsdazombies, andretimpa
Coffeeditto (1) - kaempfer13
kaempfer13 (2) - shockcannon, Naesala
still odd to require specifically oa to switch, especially since timpa switching back to coffee would have the bigger impact overall and he acts like the votes on me were set in stone or the people dont exist?
Dunno how I'm sus when I've both been compliant, honest, and volunteered myself for lynch when I had Phoenix.I appreciate the honesty and willingness to listen to town, but this feels a bit off to me - if you're town, why would you ever want to die the martyrdom without having the chance to drag scum with you, or at the very least confirm someone/something? Let's be honest, how much would a dead-but-still-speaking Naesala help us long term?
@cal thoughts on anubis? nae and coffee are both confirmed to not have done it, so either you believe a towny did it and remained silent about it or you have to readjust your reads.
To gain trust, I'll start by sharing all night actions and info gathered thus far (which is technically nothing, but nothing can sometimes be even more valuable).
N0 - Ghost of the Past
This role was breadcrumbed in my very first post.I'm targeting kaempfer13 tonight.If you had clicked on quote on this post, you would have noticed that at the end of the sentence there are two random colors with no text. Yellow and dimgray, the respective colors for time and darkness. The only role that has ties with time and darkness would be ghost of the past due to its usage in ghostmare. I did in fact target kaempfer. Partially for the memes, partially because I had already started to suspect some odd play out of him. First, we have the fact that he pushed quite hard for a no vig scenario. Second, it felt like he was being a little more aggressive than normal and looking to establish control a lot earlier, with more assertive statements rather than questioning from the past. Now, this means absolutely nothing because N0 reads are absolutely worthless in my opinion and I will always believe that. But it was more than enough to justify using ghost of the past on him, especially because I knew there was a high chance he would try to policy lynch me and I wanted to spite him. Terrible town play? Maybe. But at least if I go down, he's useless for the rest of the game so maybe he'll think twice before randomly lynching me.
I dont doubt this tbh. Terrible play yet at the same time it mechanically discourages me from lynching him. Not enough to stop me though so long as I am decently confident he's scum
N1 - Psion
I breadcrumbed this here:Lastly, at least one other person should already know my role. So maybe try asking around.Obviously, I had no way of knowing if someone knew my role. But what's the only role that does let people know other roles? Well it's psion. Psion has 5 letters, "so maybe try asking around" has 5 words. No other role in the game has 5 letters.
I did indeed use this role on andretimpa. There was some discussion about how Calindu (if i recall) messed up by giving away that andre targeted serprex and was potentially a crusader turned golden nymph. I figured it was possible andre gave out a fake role to hide this potential scenario and I wanted to check for GN in case I rolled crusader soon after and could grab a GN with 100% certainty. It potentially increases my odds of GN by 50% because now I can roll vulture, GN, OR crusader.
However, I will acknowledge that this is a potential mafia move because knowing if andre is GN or not would let mafia know if they need to kill him immediately or not. But then why would my theoretical teammate waste an anubis on andre as well? I'm going to use Anubis to get a guaranteed kill on someone if I already plan on killing them, not a conditional kill that only happens if a player happened to have had a role. Also, lowkey, I'm pretty sure using Anubis on a town to guarantee a kill that's pretty much always going to go through anyways, and on someone who isn't even close to a confirmed town is just such a bad play for mafia. I won't waste my time ranting, but the latter part of this post is going to talk about who the mafia Anubis is, because that's a real lead and we should witch hunt this, because it's all we really have besides "our feelings," which we know are not always 100% accurate, and are sometimes -500% accurate.
Half of this breadcrumb is a flat out lie, so I'm not sure how he expected people to guess that. If it is an actual breadcrumb its at least as likely to actually indicate a buff used on someone else, as it comes with a notification specifying what role targeted you. Low and behold:Anubis.
N2 - Iridium Warden
This was breadcrumbed here:I'm targeting coffee tonight.If you click quote on the post, you will notice that a sentence is written in transparent color. The message reads, "Within the earth lies the secrets of the elements."
Within the earth lies the secrets of the elements.
The only roles that are earth creatures are graboid, shreiker, and iridium warden. Iridium is an element on the periodic table, hence the word "elements at the end of the sentence. "Lies the secrets" indicates that I lied about my visible statement, meaning that I did not target coffee. I, in fact, targeted no one as I wasn't planning to block anyone, but I did want to see if anyone would react to this post, either by commenting or through night actions. It appears that Coffee forgot to use his ability. I was hoping others would share their roles first because I was curious if anyone visited either me or coffee last night, expecting me and coffee to visit each other. Luckily, this lack of info is irrelevant to my revelations so I don't mind posting now. It's also quite likely, that this bait did not result in anything noteworthy.
This would support a shock+coffee world as it would shield coffee from people getting info on him. This is assuming he actually did use it on Coffee. It's possible he did use it like so and found noone targeted coffee anyway and decided that unless someone dragonflied him it would be less scummy if he claimed he didnt even attempt to roleblock people. A lot of assumptions in order to get anything out of this though. Its also odd how coffee claimed the same role and usage.
There's a lot of people who aren't talking and that's allowing things like Anubis to go off safely and hidden. I will acknowledge that it's technically possible I was Anubis and gave andre immortality, but I'm hoping someone can confirm me with their info. I was psion this past night, and looking to confirm a couple theories I had.
Also @Oa:
I actually think we definitely should go on a witch hunt. It's very possible if everyone shares their info we can catch someone in a lie or maybe even flat out find the mafia Anubis. Right now there are 4 possible candidates:
1.) myself. I could be faking my role and saying my ability failed when in reality I'm just the Anubis
2.) andre. He could be lying about his visit and gave himself immortality
3.) kaempf. He said he targeted andre.
4.) someone else.
Options 2 and 3 seem unlikely and very risky on the respective players parts' UNLESS there's some mafia on mafia interactions going on.
Option 1 I obviously know to be 100% false but I suppose I currently have no alibi from anyone else.
Option 4 seems likely, and we need to get people to start talking.
Also @kaempf:
Now that we've made it past two nights I'll have you know my role from night 1 is hidden in one of my first couple posts. I don't remember which one and I don't feel like checking. Probably won't convince you of anything, but it's there for anyone else. Probably irrelevant anyways because it's still quite likely that kaempf's ability just failed because of the double devour situation.I think I've caught a major slip up by a certain a player. I need the next night to confirm something though. If I find what I'm looking for I should have this game solved the following day.
@mafia
You better get me lynched today or kill me the next night otherwise the :fire will burn brightly and its fuel will be you.
Alright I’m pretty sure there’s exactly 1 mafia between Naesala, Coffeeditto, and killzdazombies. The other 1 is among the rest.First half is just wifom+I'm still alive anyway. Killing mw actually looks 100% like a shock kill, although I suppose its believable he would consider torb+link nk "too easy".
In case I die I’ll post my read list and I would suggest voting out kaempf first because he’s a noob and the mere sight of him will make the rest of you noobs as well.
V:
shockcannon - if I’m mafia, you all have already lost. Also I would never kill off TheonlyrealNoob. I’d leave him, kaempf, and MW until the very end when it’s 4 of us going into the night phase. This is when they realize I’m actually the mafia. And then I high roll otyugh like the skilled mafia player I am and slice and dice torb and MW, leaving kaempf alone in the village with only me to talk to. After which he will inevitably decide to lynch himself, and that’s how I win. Also while I’m ranting let me talk about how cowardly this mafia Anubis is. I know one of you is lying and trying to hide and you’re lucky you’ve gotten away so far. But don’t think for one minute you’re safe. I’m coming for you to teach you how a real mafia Anubis does things. And that’s claim Anubis and say out loud that you targeted Andre. You think I’m 2x master of fire because I hide my decks and strays from my opponent. No I shove it in their face and crush them anyways like the noob they are. Imagine worrying about torb so much that you kill him off N1 and then have to use Anubis to secure kills. Lame. Lame. Lame. This game is about to end because I finally have a useful role. And if you’re worried then go ahead and kill me tonight. I know you won’t because you’re too scared about my cryptic message. Maybe I rolled seraph. Maybe I rolled angel. Well I’ll tell you exactly what I rolled. I rolled unlimited power and I’m going to shove it up your Anubis until you you’re immaterial from the pain because all your nerves are gone. In fact, you never even had nerves to begin with. So goodluck. Go ahead. Kill me, this is your last chance before I rally the other town noobs in this game and lead them to victory.
N:
Calindu - almost put him in W but I realized I have nothing. Honestly, not worth wasting oxygen discussing Calindu. I’d recommend letting this creature stick around while ignoring any sounds that come out. If we reach Lynch or Lose, this is our target.
W:
kaempfer13 - super sus. Unusual play. Tunneling on lynching me early. Questionable momentum usage on Andre. If mafia and left alone, then very dangerous due to his control over conversation
andretimpa - last time I thought he was town because he almost died by lynch day 1. This time I’m not falling for that trap. Easily had his mafia buddy give him immaterial. Questionable for other reasons I won’t share yet.
Naesala - classic noob pretending to be pro acting as noob but still actually noob because I can see right through the disguise. Flies under the radar and gets away with very questionable night action usage. Like highly questionable.
PlayerOa - claims Anubis. Posts too many read lists, when read lists are essentially useless in a fate egg game.
Coffeeditto - You’re really good at always seeming suspicious. Sometimes you talk a lot and sometimes you don’t. You gotta pick a style and go with it. Like kaempf picks the noob route, Nae picks the naive route, Torb picks the detective route, and MW picks the living meme route. You gotta choose. Lack of choice is simply the choice of the I’m always suspicious route.
Kdz - “I used divine shield.”
Potentially trying to cover for a partner?What was your role shock?Not shock here, but possible roles he could have been were Golden Nymph, Psion, Dragonfly, Firefly Queen, Iridium Guardian, Ghost of the Past(!), Guardian Angel and Crusader. If we are to believe both kae and shock, the most likely role was GotP.
coffee and i have a hate boner for eachother and I do see similiarities to his last game, I'm not sure how much of this is emotionally tainted though. Also I dont think there is a chance that would gain traction with how loudly he screamed for serps death.I'm townreading Coffee at the moment, I'm not putting my vote on him as of now. shock is a different story, and while I know you two have... history, I have no real reason to scumread him yet. I'd rather kill him than Coffee though, but in a scenario where those two are the only other options I'm definitely sticking to MW.
shock ticks off all the boxes for me at the moment uncooperative✓ could have roleblocked me✓ didnt take a stance on gn matter✓ not trying to help town✓ serp thought it a good idea to claim a result on him ✓
Next I was going to look were the other people that didnt address the issue, but thats you who suggested doing so in the first place and calindu who was forthcoming with his roleclaim, so i kinda townread that too.
..and as I'm hitting post, you're up there with another one huhnot feeling mw, w3 or Nae as previously stated. So next place to look would be the people who pretty much checked out after they supported the gnkill, way after it became a major topic. this would be ian, naii (technically nae, but she gives the lhf vibe) and moe iirc.Nae and MW on the other hand are lynches I can get behind, but yeah I agree it's tough to draw any real juice out of them, especially Nae, for now. On w3 I agree, not feeling anything either direction. I just don't like how his wagon gained this much speed without any real content backing it. ian and Naii are ok targets, I guess. moe I see hasn't logged in in >48 hours, not sure what to make of that.
Naii_the_Baf (2) - PlayerOa, NaesalaFYI we EU people can't stall all the way until deadline, I'd like to discuss and hopefully conclude voting within 3 hours if possible.
Calindu (2) - Naii_the_Baf, killsdazombies
Coffeeditto (2) - kaempfer13, andretimpa
Just want to avoid any train running loose before Coffee shows up.
Naii is still my top choice for lynch, solely because he's in my view much more likely to have immaterialized timpa than anyone else around. I gotta admit, though, that I'm liking his posts more and more.
Calindu seems like a decent lynch for me as well, but we're not really learning much if we lynch him, are we? Just the good ol' chance of can-be-hiding-scum
Coffee is an interesting case - I understand I'm under suspicion of being w/w with him. If he rolls mafia, then good, only one more to go. Doesn't change the fact I'm not maf myself though, but if me dying is a result of hitting scum!Coffee then it's a no-brainer, really - I'd happily bow down as a consequence of the trade-off. And if he's town, then kaempfer's theory will be confirmed false, which at least is slightly better for town as I know it's not the path to how we're winning this game, since I already know it's not true. But to reiterate myself once again, I townread Coffee and I'd much rather board one of the other trains.
TLDR:
Lynch priority imo: Naii > Cal > Coffee
As I said before, bad reason to be enthusiastic about the possibility of a lynch; that said he never did vote him. At that point i interpreted as Oa knows coffee is town and wants to use it to clear himself. its also possible he was going for a mortons fork move, where even if coffee was lynched, people would think he'd never suggest that move if he was actually scumpartners with coffee,@kae: Switch with me on Naii, I really don't believe you are mafia and I don't want to vote on you. It's unlikely I'll be able to be online before the deadline as well.Lynching Coffee is an interesting case because if he flips town, kaempfer's theory of Coffee/me as w/w can be debunked for good. If he flips mafia, though, I seem to be in a bad spot due to said theory - but I'd happily bow down as a consequence of hitting scum.
I'm also willing to switch on Coffee if Oa switches with me.
@kae: Switch with me on Naii, I really don't believe you are mafia and I don't want to vote on you. It's unlikely I'll be able to be online before the deadline as well.Mentioned before how I found this interaction odd.
I'm also willing to switch on Coffee if Oa switches with me.
oh nice oaThis post throws me for a loop tbh; i dont even know what it is supposed to mean, only recent post from oa was that w3 wagon was thin.
Aw, man! I guess its calindu+shock then, but perhaps i need to reevaluate.Could shock+Nae be a sensible team as well? Otherwise I agree with you
2 Townies getting mod killed really didn't do us any favors.*1 (moe, who I hear had hard drive issues...?)
Well coffee was to be modkilled at the end of nightYeah, I count coffee as being modkilled. Worse, he was modkilled and we had to spend our phase voting on him, not that voting for a different target necessarily would have been mafia.
The Deadpad is here:
Deadpad for Mafia 75 (https://pad.riseup.net/p/Mafia75DomainOfTheDeceased)
And here is the Gdoc spreadsheet I used to try my best to track the MYRIAD of actions, interactions, and events of the game:
Mafia 75 Host Worksheet (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DEOEdpIlysJ_c0RlmTymRxfPDXyUQgj0my-t2jRcGc0/edit?usp=sharing)
I was not following too closely, so can someone summarize who are the top competitors for best player in this mafia?
I was not following too closely, so can someone summarize who are the top competitors for best player in this mafia?
I was not following too closely, so can someone summarize who are the top competitors for best player in this mafia?
Don't vote unless you read the whole thing.
I was not following too closely, so can someone summarize who are the top competitors for best player in this mafia?