Elements Mafia 73 - by PlayerOa

[kaempfer13]

ah, nvm serp said 'no' before. Silly me

[rob77dp]

Anything at all going to come from Coffee? Coffee- do plan to just inactive three phases and be MK again? Like a bad lunch, inactive doesn't sit well with me. At least all others have "check-in posted" this phase.....

[Annele]

DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...

I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this

Haha I also have no idea what DC said (which card is jailor here?) But in terms of role claiming immediately as town, idk if that's necessarily the worst idea. At least in my experience, mafia often want to start with a guaranteed kill. That said, I don't really see a benefit to claiming so soon (if town and claiming your actual role) and painting a great target on your back while the mafia have the least to go on. So as rob said - Why?

[Linkcat]

DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...

I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this

Pretty shit read, rob is perfectly capable of bantering with teammates like this.

[Linkcat]

Are Golden Nymph and Deja Vu the only town only roles? The descriptions seem to imply there may be multiple Guardian Angels, maf Guardian Angels or even no Guardian Angels at all.

As for the general consensus on role usage: I take it no one will mind free information role usage (with the exception of Warden?) and town will mind offensive role usage unless used to kill someone highly suspect, but what about the defensive roles?

All I hope is MasterWalks doesn't get some blocking ability again and spams it for no reason

Also, whoever is Anubis, please don't just immaterial anyone that asks for it.

Actually, don't immaterial anyone(not even yourself) unless they are confirmed. I hope everyone agrees using it is scummy as hell since it's just bad for the town.

What about Burrow or Divine Shield? They protect from both the nightkill AND secondary abilities, but have similar drawbacks otherwise. I take it these are ok to protect yourself with?

Anubis, Green/Amber Nymph seem ok to use on yourself or confirmed town, but also only confirmed town? I know people tend to be eager to use their ability, so I'd like to reach a consensus on ability usage to ensure maf does not feign innocence and town does not inflict unintended harm.

Guardian Angel seems safe to use at random.

Warden doesn't roleblock anymore so it's fine to use on whoever you want. Burrow and Divine Shield are up to the user. Flayer, Ghost, and Squid shouldn't be used until you have a decent scumread. (Not Night 0)

[Calindu]

What about Burrow or Divine Shield? They protect from both the nightkill AND secondary abilities, but have similar drawbacks otherwise. I take it these are ok to protect yourself with?

Anubis, Green/Amber Nymph seem ok to use on yourself or confirmed town, but also only confirmed town? I know people tend to be eager to use their ability, so I'd like to reach a consensus on ability usage to ensure maf does not feign innocence and town does not inflict unintended harm.

Guardian Angel seems safe to use at random.

I haven't thought about that tbh, I think it should be fine, it still has the same downsides as Anubis, but it has a big upside in evading NK. Buffs should be fine to use more liberally, they are not that destructive if they land on mafia, and there's a higher chance they land on town.

[Submachine]

DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...

I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this

Haha I also have no idea what DC said (which card is jailor here?) But in terms of role claiming immediately as town, idk if that's necessarily the worst idea. At least in my experience, mafia often want to start with a guaranteed kill. That said, I don't really see a benefit to claiming so soon (if town and claiming your actual role) and painting a great target on your back while the mafia have the least to go on. So as rob said - Why?

As a man of culture myself (jokes), I understood that DC's comment was purely a comedic reference and not a real roleclaim. (He referred to Town of Salem.) He even admitted this.
To me, DC's claim is non-indicative of his alignment.

Warden doesn't roleblock anymore so it's fine to use on whoever you want. Burrow and Divine Shield are up to the user. Flayer, Ghost, and Squid shouldn't be used until you have a decent scumread. (Not Night 0)

Wait what? I need to check all roles again.

[DoubleCapitals]

DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...

I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this

Haha I also have no idea what DC said (which card is jailor here?) But in terms of role claiming immediately as town, idk if that's necessarily the worst idea. At least in my experience, mafia often want to start with a guaranteed kill. That said, I don't really see a benefit to claiming so soon (if town and claiming your actual role) and painting a great target on your back while the mafia have the least to go on. So as rob said - Why?

None of them - I was just fucking around as with MW who scumread JCJ. Just like how JCJ isn't playing, Jailor doesn't exist here.

* DoubleCapitals whistles

TL;DR to answer why: I jokingly claimed something that doesn't exist

[DoubleCapitals]

Ooh sub said it for me already

But thanks for for the real reactions to a fabricated role, it's some info to work off from.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Warden doesn't roleblock anymore so it's fine to use on whoever you want. Burrow and Divine Shield are up to the user.

I haven't thought about that tbh, I think it should be fine, it still has the same downsides as Anubis, but it has a big upside in evading NK.

Would Warden then not fall under the same logic as Anubis? You are blocking all secondary abilities in both cases, even if Warden does it for only one turn, but with the added benefit of learning what roles you blocked. You can block Golden Nymph from investigating someone this way.

[Submachine]

I am reading the roles and trying to think of strategies that are not obvious.

• Sometimes it might be better to not do anything, because then you catch fireflies sent your way. This way, a mafia Firefly Queen can be somewhat slowed (it is still a ridiculously overpowered role in the hands of Mafia, in my opinion, it needs counter-measures).
  Mind Flayers and Graboids are exceptions, because they have higher priority than Firefly Queen.
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• Warden doesn't roleblock anymore
  

  Ok, not entirely true. It still blocks everyone who targets the same person, including the occasional Golden Nymph. Personally, I still advise against using it.
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• I struggle to think of acceptable situations where Warden should be used. If used on unknown, it blocks investigation. If used on Town, it blocks healing and allows Nightkill. If used on conf Mafia, it blocks Otyugh.
  I guess it COULD be used to protect someone from a publicly announced Otyugh attack. Or it COULD be used to confirm the existence of roles, by asking them to target the same person. But that's it.

More later, too many people are posting.

[rob77dp]

DC - what's with the seemingly unnecessary wasteful early (N0??) claim?! For all we know you could be mafia trying to use this to combine with teammates to find and trap\uncover other roles. What is TP (toilet paper? Is there murder hornet hoarding problems in your area?) and LO (league organizer? Are they pertinent to this?)...

I would consider this minor rage real; slight townie points (toned down a little by the fact that he might just be mad that he has no idea what dc is talking about and thus might be mad even as mafia). Rob/DC not w/w from this

Pretty shit read, rob is perfectly capable of bantering with teammates like this.

I guess that's a compliment to my scum-bility?

It feels like a rather loose reason to townread me, no? Hmm