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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292424#msg1292424
« Reply #828 on: July 03, 2019, 04:59:32 pm »
Unsure if people read the rules or not. If they did, they would notice what I'm trying to do.

If I can't seem to convince you to follow my galaxy brain plans instead of Subs kindergarten plans, then I'll roleclaim and maybe you'll figure it out.

If that still doesn't work and you all have one digit IQ, then I'll lay out the full plan.

(Maybe if I speak shock's language you will listen to me more.)
If you need a brain the size of a galaxy, how low is the amount of intelligence per brain mass to need such overcompensation? Maybe if you if your posts had more plan/post I'd see the plan, too. You're starting to sound like w3 at this point:
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(where's plan B?)

Though since you're so smart, I'm sure you've already figured out my role that I've practically fully exposed over the course of my posts by now :silly:
If not, just need to wait until NK, I guess.

I breadcrumbed my role along the way. It is not obfuscated, but you won't find it without me pointing it out. This ensures that at the end of the game, the role I will claim will not be fake.
Ok, so the fact that you keep wanting to make noise, get weapon checked and now ask for someone making noise to get weapon checked are all completely unrelated.

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« Reply #829 on: July 03, 2019, 05:14:19 pm »
Fine, I'll lay out the full plan a bit later on. (no other reason that laziness to do so right now)

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292427#msg1292427
« Reply #831 on: July 03, 2019, 05:16:18 pm »
Until then, trust me, I'm an engineer.

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« Reply #832 on: July 03, 2019, 05:20:09 pm »
Until then, trust me, I'm an engineer.
That already explains everything, really.

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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292429#msg1292429
« Reply #833 on: July 03, 2019, 05:22:44 pm »
Apologies for not contributing much lately, my summer internship started and I preferred to do other things in my free time. Also, the amount of reading to do is quite large too, and in big blocks too. Will try to respond and provide as much info as I can.

Okay, Calindu doesn't have much posts, so I try to do a breakdown on all of them.


Reading his posts one by one and out of context, they don't stand out much. His posts stood out to me at first, because I was involved in almost all of them (2,3,5,6,9,10,11). Maybe I was the loudest at the time and my posts were easier to find and respond to, but it still felt weird how his posts almost always had me in them. Post 6 was a result of something I pointed out. Pressuring the inactives in his post 7 was also something I highly advised, though this could have been because of Espithel.

In Post 11, he went with my joke post without considering it to be false. Kae and TorB also didn't notice that it was a joke post and they also read me as Town, but they stopped to question it. I believe that Calindu would not make this mistake if he was playing honestly, and it feels like a good excuse to just go for it. A few of his other posts also followed this mentality, which feel off to me.

I trimmed the quote so it's easier to follow my points.

Most of the posts did involve you, because I townread you and your posts were usually full laid out plans, either good ones or bad ones, or questions, but it's not entirely correct that they all involved you.

I pointed out in post 6 that multiple players accused www3 for not answering the questions, so I wanted to give him another impulse, with a vote on him.
In post 7, pressuring the inactives is something that I have done last game too (see my vote on immortal_feud, and sticking with it), because full inactivity is something that is hurting town. I only switched my vote in order to save shock. It's not something that I did because you advised it.
In post 11, I did say I'm not sure of it, so I chose to believe my town read, with a lot more games played under his belt, about the metagame. I did not notice your 'Sarcasm' post until you made the other post.
In post 12 I simply added MW's vote onto you, I had my vote on www3 way before.

Btw is noisemaking night tonight? Or do we not want to raid?

Raiding is still risky I believe, there are two possible scenarios that I can see as happening:

1. Officer is the only player making noise. This forces the officer to claim on the spot in order to avoid being NKed before the claim. If the officer managed to get the primary role of another living player, this is not too bad, but not optimal either.
2. Officer and some other(I'd say at least 2 or 3 more in order to not have a 50/50 for the NK) players make noise. This is the best case scenario, it hides the Officer in between a group of players and gets the raid off too, but if the mafia is the one making noise, then it's just an illusion of safety, and it can backfire really badly

Now, obviously, the Officer can choose not to raid while other players make noise, this is also good and sends mafia on the wrong tracks.

It's also important that the players making noise are not the ones that claimed to not have weapons, which btw, should stop happening, as it makes it easier for the mafia to find the power roles, and it also makes it easier for mafia to blend in if they post anything like that.


Alright, I would like to inquire about this.
You say i am jumpy. I was jumpy last game. I would say im pretty laxed this game. Im still discovering my role and how it really works.
You say i made mistakes. Emphasis on the S. I made one mistake that i can see and its not even that big of a mistake. I revealed when i was going to use my role. Could you inform me of the other mistakes?

MW is town I believe, him getting unnecessarily angry about people commenting on his play and possible mistakes was a trademark from last game too.


Just one question for PlayerOa: why was Mobian not mentioned in any of your posts last day, despite there being several people voting to lynch him? At least ian considered him, for example.

I'll answer this question too, since I have been guilty of the same problem too.
I honestly thought Mobian changed his way of playing the game, not being as angry as usual, since he was rude and angry last game and I called him out on it. Now I do agree that the post he made about Espithel reeks of scum, and there is little chance a town would make a post like that.

Just to address this, I am not smart enough to think of something like that. My thought process in mafia is not "if X flips town then Y is mafia" and it never really crosses my mind. I just listen to everyone else when they say stuff like this cause sheep.

Another trademark MW post, thought I would expect him to usually point to the experience of the player, like he did last game.


Not sure if I missed anything, responded to the posts I saw from this night phase which involved me or I had thoughts about. If there is anything I missed or you want my response or thoughts on, point it towards my direction.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292430#msg1292430
« Reply #834 on: July 03, 2019, 05:31:47 pm »
Isn’t a mafia engineer the worst person to target
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292431#msg1292431
« Reply #835 on: July 03, 2019, 05:32:03 pm »
For the doc and gunsmith
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« Reply #836 on: July 03, 2019, 05:34:42 pm »
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Isn’t a mafia engineer the worst person to target
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For the doc and gunsmith

Gunsmith would find the Engineer without a weapon. And if ian is mafia and is doing this plan, it's him outing himself out in order to find the Gunsmith and Doctor, which is not worth it at all in my opinion.[quote author=worldwideweb3
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292435#msg1292435
« Reply #837 on: July 03, 2019, 05:35:20 pm »
EBWOP: Of course I managed to mess up the quotes.

Isn’t a mafia engineer the worst person to target

For the doc and gunsmith

Gunsmith would find the Engineer without a weapon. And if ian is mafia and is doing this plan, it's him outing himself out in order to find the Gunsmith and Doctor, which is not worth it at all in my opinion.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292437#msg1292437
« Reply #838 on: July 03, 2019, 05:41:02 pm »
FWIW we’re starting to Rely  on gunsmith too much. He could be maf or there might not even be a gunsmith.
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Re: Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67245.msg1292438#msg1292438
« Reply #839 on: July 03, 2019, 05:41:52 pm »
Yes, the plan is fundamentally flawed in that it requires:
  • Weaponsmith and doc to trust ian not be to mafia. Just trading one of them for a single mafia is already a mediocre trade at best.
  • Mafia members to not target ian with abilities if ian is not mafia. Maybe that is why he did not want to spell it out, but it would be naive to expect both a town weaponsmith and the doctor to notice, but for mafia not to notice.
  • And then only provides this information to ian himself. We will need to lynch him to confirm his intel. But that still exposes the roles to mafia as well.
It's a really egocentric plan.
I would much rather doc protect someone less expected and with a more useful role.

 

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