Elements Mafia 72 - by Ginyu

[Submachine]

I am on Espithel duty.

Getting really ticked off at these tits not explaining their votes.

For the kind memory of Espi, can Link and PlayerOa explain their votes? Oa switched without explanation and Link voted and switched without explanation.

[PlayerOa]

Initial vote placed on dawn kinda for the same reasons as D1. Then read iancu's post which I agree with on many points, therefore switching over to w3

[dawn to dusk]

W3 kill clears up a lot, naturally due to how many posts he's made, but also because of the D1 votes. If he's mafia, then most of the people who voted for him are cleared. If he's town, people can easily use the excuse that D1 Lynches are always better, and the No-Lynch crew isn't completely safe, but it does give a shadow to some of the w3 lynch crew. I don't doubt that at least one of the no-lynches were Mafia though
In this scenario though, w3, Espi, and Shock are all dead, which leaves TorB and Sub.

I feel like those are the predominant reasons for the w3 lynch, since townflip w3 gives the most townflip information, while also having a reasonable chance at striking a mafia.

[PlayerOa]

I also realize a w3 lynch will put me in rather bad light, stated by iancu - then so be it, I have nothing to hide. My reasoning behind joining in on the vote switch-bonanza was nothing more than disagreement with the no lynch group.

[Submachine]

The No Lynch wagon definitely has a Mafia in it, like 100%, because solid evidence points to it. Consider that a law of nature, if you will. :^)

[Mobian]

Truth be told I've been tunneling Mobian all day ever since TorB pointed him out. I was just allowing some time for other ideas to enter the playing field before making it the focal point of discussion. Unfortunately they've been kind of a letdown.
And as ian already figured every other suggested lynch (other than w3 and Mobian) gives us almost no info beyond the flip itself. Now unlike ian, I think Mobian flipping actually gives us more info than w3 (makes the entirety of no-lynch train look much better). But that's not why I want him dead.

He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!

Now this may not seem like much, but this is not a town!Mobian post. town!Mobian would be about equally frustrated with each dead town more and not single out Espithel as the be-all-end-all. It's also ironic how Espithel promised to point a finger at Mobian today. In this context too "slow to point fingers" almost seems like gloating.
Also thanks for letting us now your thinking process on nking.

Additionally he seems to particularly strongly concerned with his survival (a little of it makes sense regardless of alignement, but hes reacting very early).

Furthermore he's hedging his read on w3. It seems he knows w3 is town and wants to take credit for "predicting" it, but he still wants to incite a strong enough suspicion to allow for him to get lynched.

Add to that the fact that he was already at the bottom of my PoE and I cant help but tunnel him.

Now, is this post a bit hyperbolic? certainly, but on Day 2 i doubt we can make any stronger case.

You may have killed espi, but the furry police is gonna get you for it:


Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine

blow

Press b to blow. You certainly did blow regardless of alignement.

I don't know how many times I have to say it. The. Past. Games. I. Was. In. A. Shitty. Personal. Space! This led to the stress and anxiety that I was experiencing in the real world to bleed over into this hot mess of a community. This time around, I just started a new job with higher pay and actual benefits, and can actually afford to catch up on my bills. With that in mind, I was also able to reflect on the things most disliked about me, and try to change them for the better. It would seem, though, that you all are too busy looking for monsters that you chalk personal growth up to manipulation. Quite frankly, that's not acceptable, in game or out. Do what you will, I think I'm actually done playing. One of you will recite rule 10 again, but not one of you will understand how difficult it has been as an autistic to try to make that change happen. Enjoy the rest of your game, genleman.

Suicide - Mobian

[kaempfer13]

I mean yh, no lynch is antitown, but what solid evidence for a mafia there do you as a no-lynch voter claiming to be town have?

[Submachine]

Sarcasm.

[kaempfer13]

Spoiler for Hidden:

Truth be told I've been tunneling Mobian all day ever since TorB pointed him out. I was just allowing some time for other ideas to enter the playing field before making it the focal point of discussion. Unfortunately they've been kind of a letdown.
And as ian already figured every other suggested lynch (other than w3 and Mobian) gives us almost no info beyond the flip itself. Now unlike ian, I think Mobian flipping actually gives us more info than w3 (makes the entirety of no-lynch train look much better). But that's not why I want him dead.

He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!

Now this may not seem like much, but this is not a town!Mobian post. town!Mobian would be about equally frustrated with each dead town more and not single out Espithel as the be-all-end-all. It's also ironic how Espithel promised to point a finger at Mobian today. In this context too "slow to point fingers" almost seems like gloating.
Also thanks for letting us now your thinking process on nking.

Additionally he seems to particularly strongly concerned with his survival (a little of it makes sense regardless of alignement, but hes reacting very early).

Furthermore he's hedging his read on w3. It seems he knows w3 is town and wants to take credit for "predicting" it, but he still wants to incite a strong enough suspicion to allow for him to get lynched.

Add to that the fact that he was already at the bottom of my PoE and I cant help but tunnel him.

Now, is this post a bit hyperbolic? certainly, but on Day 2 i doubt we can make any stronger case.

You may have killed espi, but the furry police is gonna get you for it:


Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine

blow

Press b to blow. You certainly did blow regardless of alignement.

I don't know how many times I have to say it. The. Past. Games. I. Was. In. A. Shitty. Personal. Space! This led to the stress and anxiety that I was experiencing in the real world to bleed over into this hot mess of a community. This time around, I just started a new job with higher pay and actual benefits, and can actually afford to catch up on my bills. With that in mind, I was also able to reflect on the things most disliked about me, and try to change them for the better. It would seem, though, that you all are too busy looking for monsters that you chalk personal growth up to manipulation. Quite frankly, that's not acceptable, in game or out. Do what you will, I think I'm actually done playing. One of you will recite rule 10 again, but not one of you will understand how difficult it has been as an autistic to try to make that change happen. Enjoy the rest of your game, genleman.

Suicide - Mobian

So you dont even bother explaining why espi in particular was that big a blow to us that you mentioned it when you didnt care about who got nked before much?
I mean, I miss him too, but we still got people we can work with.

[Calindu]

I will contribute what I need, when I feel it is necessary.

"So, not much."

...would be my answer, but I give you the benefit of the doubt and see if you increase your contributions.

There's a point where the game stops becoming fun and starts becoming too serious, I get that people that put a lot of activity and thought into it expect everyone else to do the same, but berating everyone who's not doing it kills the fun and does not motivate anyone to start contributing more. Stuff like checking profiles to see when people were last online and making it an important piece in your scumread is not doing anyone a favour.

However, I believe this behaviour is really town-like, just maybe a too invested town.

The No Lynch wagon definitely has a Mafia in it, like 100%, because solid evidence points to it. Consider that a law of nature, if you will. :^)

I don't have enough experience to be sure of it, but since in every mafia game I played in, no lynch is considered really bad, I choose to believe it. Given that shock and Espithel are both dead, this leaves Submachine, www3 and TorB left.

Submachine: Probably my biggest town read atm, comes up with plans and posts them constantly, and generally tries to get the town moving.
www3: I don't know if he's mafia or just extremely obnoxious, no lynch was his best way of avoiding the lynch once shock claimed Officer and everyone moved from shock to him.
TorB: I really like his posts, he's helpful, active and proactive, I don't agree with all of his reads, but that's not necessarily a bad sign. Town lean for now.

Out of these 3, the only one I don't have a town read on is www3, so because of this coupled with ian's plan I'll cast my vote on him for now, though I'm open to change my vote.

Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine

[worldwideweb3]

No lynch wagon is more likely to be town. Mafia would want a lynch and it’s very easy to vote someone instead of no lynch as people seem to believe lynching is good cause InFoRmAtIoN

[Submachine]

I wanted to point out something, but I'll just wait until someone else notices it. If never, it will be funny.

Hint: It's on this page, unless my post is the first post on this page.