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Espithel · « **Reply #540 on:** June 29, 2019, 03:57:36 pm »

Quote from: TheonlyrealBeef on June 29, 2019, 03:22:07 pm

Quote from: Submachine on June 29, 2019, 01:46:01 pm
Quote from: Espithel on June 28, 2019, 08:08:34 pm
Chunk 2: Deadline Voting

In the last mafia, one of the best ways to let the town eat themselves was to not really contribute much, and then wait for the clock to run out, and then have so many major decisions of that day happen at that point.
It removes the town's ability to rationally think through their decisions, and the "we have to lynch" mentality, while true, massively compounds this problem.

In addition, it's not fair to people who aren't around during deadline.
Their contribution to what happened has been silenced, because they weren't here. This strategy has been demonstrated not to work in the past mafia. Why are we still doing it?

Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
The best solution would be if everyone could be here on deadline, but I doubt that's possible.

What we should do is break ties, pressure the inactives and share necessary information as early as possible. This also requires to stop joke voting and cast our serious votes as early as possible.

Question: Are placeholder votes or late votes worse?
You are kind of missing his point that these deadline votes cannot be thought out as well when you switch votes around near deadline. In one of the voting overtimes, w3 had a majority vote of 1 over no lynch and shock, this is when I switched no lynch. I did not think about the benefit of learning w3 is town. All I could think of at that moment, that if w3 was town, I would be the one that started a lynch train and sat back when I had the power to save him.

You do not have time to look at the bigger picture and see how lynching someone whom may well be town, could help get reads on other people. So please, do not do this after deadline again. 1-2 hours before deadline works just as well, yes? That also happens when I get home from work, so there is my reason for having the most thought out posts around those times on weekdays.

In short: avoid switching this close to -let alone after- deadline when you can. Mafia does not need to think about whom to lynch, they will only know whom not to lynch. Town benefits from reason and logic, which should not be rushed.

I'm proud of you.

Submachine · « **Reply #541 on:** June 29, 2019, 04:07:38 pm »

What about the non-red parts of my post?

TheonlyrealBeef · « **Reply #542 on:** June 29, 2019, 04:25:37 pm »

Not casting joke votes seems like an obvious thing, to me.
There will always be a least active person, so I am unsure what you mean by placeholders? Use them to pressure inactives. Share the information you base your votes on at any time plausible, no matter how vague it may seem. Vague reads are enough for the first 1-2 votes on someone, but you really need a good reason to hammer someone beyond that.

There were hammers all over the place yesterday, but it seems people all just used the no no lynch motto as an excuse, rather than giving an actual reason to why that person was scum. Their lack of reasoning is disturbing.

Mobian · « **Reply #543 on:** June 29, 2019, 04:27:33 pm »

I just realized.... with 4 Mafia members and Ginyu as host, we're actually going after the Ginyu Force....

Submachine · « **Reply #544 on:** June 29, 2019, 04:39:50 pm »

Quote from: Ginyu on June 28, 2019, 06:37:07 pm

Night 1 started. There is no time left!

Requesting Ginyu to put the phase post in the OP.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #545 on:** June 29, 2019, 06:50:40 pm »

Quote from: kaempfer13 on June 29, 2019, 02:21:27 pm

Readlist (in order of names at the top):

Spoiler for Hidden:
Spoiler for Naii:
everything he does is pretty Nai and its very little. A fair enough inactivity lynch, but I found nothing that moves the needle either way.
Spoiler for weeaboo:
If we got nothing better to do he's the top inactivity lynch. Absolutely nothing usefull here.
Spoiler for Annele:
What she says is sound and comes from someone who struggles to keep up with the thread. I need more but I wouldnt lynch her any time soon with the current information.
Spoiler for Calindu:
Agree with everything he said so far. he doesnt go the extramile, but ill give an n+ for now.
Spoiler for dawn to dusk:
I see no inconsistency with his behavior last time, even if the jokes arent exactly helpfull. he explained his inactivity with sleep schedule and he was also busy being about to die in puzzle plight as well (and he really wasnt that inactive after all, just had awkward easily explainable timing for being offline). The pushes on him seem to be part joke, part taking offense in him making jokes, part people thinking he was inactive and then not removing their vote in some time (also people remembering him being voted up and just voting him for that reason)? I see no reason to go for him, but I think we should look at the people that voted him (depending on timeframe voting him can speak for either alignement).
Spoiler for Ginyu:
decently active and makes sure we dont missunderstand the rules. Townread. Just kidding.
Spoiler for vagman13:
He wrote a fair bit of things, but i can't form a read out of them.
Spoiler for shockcannon:
Ah shit, here we go. i probably have the best shot at reading him so i shouldn't half-ass this. I think he's exactly officer or mafia. Him mentioning me as his primeread as both mafia and town, does seem like a telegraph of having used observe and awaiting results of investigate (I don't believe he actually targeted me btw).
I also cryptically mentioned that wanting a no lynch is ironically towny for him, since its consistent with his mindset from last game. He thinks lynching town is always a mistake and doesnt acknowledge the info we get out of a flip that people voted for (and the wagon they didnt vote for).
I have yet to decipher his final post (isnt that against the rules?).
Everything else he said would be kinda scummy if he were anyone else, but its mostly the things he didnt say that make him sus (why so out of character man? obv bc hes officer or mafia)
Spoiler for PlayerOa:
Most of the things he said seem to try and help town. i especially like his stance in voting, not killing of dawn in absence and not no-lynching.
Spoiler for Mobian:
huh, I didnt realize he posted as much as he did, his posts are kinda forgettable. I'm a little surprised by him wanting mw on his mafia team? cant really make anything out of that either though. there are some usefull things he did like getting people to vote. I'll stick to null here.
Spoiler for MasterWalks:
He wears his heart on his sleeve. Honestly, the mere fact that he doesn't seem to follow an agenda is enough for me to townread him. He finds everything people say suspicious so dont put too much weight on his reads.
Spoiler for TorB:
The most suspicious thing about him is that he seems to good for a first time player lol. I like everything he says.
Spoiler for iancudorinmarian:
Don't like the sheer volume of completely random votes. is he testing if anyone bites?
Said he was confirmable by gunsmith. agreed on sub being town fast.
said he missunderstood whisperer as its own secondary role. could be an act though. agree on his early stance on optimal play for officer. Yes, I read his posts backwards. and my read in total is null.
I wanted to make a complete list, but I ran out of breath and food. will finish this later. Linkcat and w3 are important to have a closer look on, espi and sub are leantown to me.

Alright, picking up where i left off:

Spoiler for Linkcat:

I know where i stand.

Spoiler for Espithel:

Spoiler for Submachine:

Spoiler for w3:

In summary:

Townlean (v):
TheonlyrealBeef
Submachine
PlayerOa
MasterWalks

n+:
Annele
Calindu
shockcannon unstable slot (considering his breadcrumps I think officer is more likely, even though per default he would be 4 times more likely to be mafia than officer)
Espithel

n:
Naii_the_Baf
InsignificantWeeaboo
dawn to dusk
vagman13
Mobian
iancudorinmarian
Linkcat
worldwideweb3

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #546 on:** June 29, 2019, 07:06:49 pm »

Wagonomics with Kaevision:

Spoiler for lynchlog:

PlayerOa · « **Reply #547 on:** June 29, 2019, 07:12:40 pm »

Was looking forward to see whether you were going to do the lynchlog this game as well or not - the fact that you bother doing it in this game too makes you a town lean for me.

kaempfer13 · « **Reply #548 on:** June 29, 2019, 07:14:48 pm »

I actually posted the clean lynchlog almost immediately.

Forgot to color people with 13 in name:

Spoiler for lynchlog:

MasterWalks · « **Reply #549 on:** June 29, 2019, 07:19:54 pm »

Alright, this game is currently starved for info. We are 46 pages deep and hardly anything of substance. I dont have scum reads and i dont take anyones scum reads seriously. I dont even have a town read tbh.
I was debating on calling out a quieter person for reads but i think it will be no substance to it as well.

No Lynch n0 was dumb. We have nothing to go off now. Even next voting phase aint gonna do crap unless intel roles pull something good.
Moe NK sucks. It also gave us no information.

The way i see it, everyones reads are just based off personality reads. I havent seen someone breadcrumb anything yet. MAYBE officer found a town and is breadcrumbing town but its too early to tell or really care.
On lynch day, we need to lynch a fairly active person. Preferably someone in top 7 in post count. This will give us something to work with until mid game role claims.

PlayerOa · « **Reply #550 on:** June 29, 2019, 07:20:37 pm »

Also - I wouldn't base our strategy too much on shock being Officer. Of course he may be - it's a bigger chance he is than any other individual with the current information - but still <50% chance imo. And for the love of god don't do anything wicked this night with the assumption shock is cop. Ofc we'll do anything on deathbed if it gives us an ever so slight chance of staying alive.

And yeah kaempf, I'm aware of that - just forgot to post my reflections on it earlier

InsignificantWeeaboo · « **Reply #551 on:** June 29, 2019, 07:21:03 pm »

So far I've used my ability N0, and I plan on using it this night.

Won't say anything except that for now.

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PlayerOa

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