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Elements Mafia
Started by Mastermind79, Continued by killsdazombies, Implosion, ddevans96, icecoldbro, Demagog, Purity_Riot, Dragoon1140, killsdazombies, 1world24, RavingRabbid, majofa, TStar, killsdazombies, mesaprotector, Regen2k9, Kuroaitou, whatifidogetcaught?, UnderneathTheLens, RootRanger, killsdazombies, Elbirn, ji412jo, dawn to dusk, eljoemo, Zawadx, killsdazombies, theelkspeaks, iancudorinmarian, DoubleCapitals, Dm, Espithel, killsdazombies, skyironsword, Submachine, Coffeeditto, mathman101, Naesala, Ginyu, Linkcat, Solaris, Ryli, killsdazombies, Naii_the_Baf, and Ginyu.
All of the players in the game are collectively referred to as the Town. The Town is split into two factions. There is a minority faction, the mafia (False Gods), and a majority faction, the innocents (Elementals). The False Gods start the game with the knowledge of who the other members are, and their goal is to kill all of the Elementals. The Elementals start the game not knowing who is a False God and who is a fellow Elemental, and their goal is to kill all of the False Gods.
The game is split into two phases. It generally starts with a Night Phase, in which the False Gods choose one member of the Town to kill. This is called the Nightkill. Also, players may use abilities given to them by their roles during this phase. Following each Night Phase is the Day Phase. During the day, the Town may choose to lynch one player through the use of votes. Each player gets one vote, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched and removed from the game. This cycle continues until either all of the False Gods are dead, or the number of False Gods is equal to or greater than the number of Elementals at the beginning of a Day Phase. This is called reaching parity.
How to determine who is mafia and who is innocent is entirely up to the players. As a False God your job is to blend into the Town and direct lynches onto Elementals without giving yourself away. As an Elemental your job is to use logic, reason, tells, intuition, and any abilities you may have to determine who the False Gods are and lynch them. An inactive town will easily fall prey to the mafia, so try to generate as much information as possible. In the game of mafia you have two main weapons; your voice and your vote. Use them wisely.
Village - Town
Villager - Innocent
Civ - Innocent
Wolf - Mafia
Scum - Mafia
Alignment - Primary Role
Rand/Roll - Having a role assigned to you
PR/Power Role - Roles that are very useful to the town - usually includes cop and medic
Cop - A role that has the ability to determine the alignment of another player
Medic - A role that has the ability to protect other players from the Nightkill
Shoot - To use an ability that would kill another player
Claim/Roleclaim - To say that you have a specific role
Civvy Central - A group of confirmed innocents
Scummy - Acting like a mafia
Towny - Acting like an innocent
Town-Cred/Town Points - Factors that make it more likely that a player is innocent
Read - How scummy or towny you think someone is
Tunnel - Having tunnel vision on a single player
Hammer - Casting the final vote needed for a lynch
Bus - To throw a fellow mafia member under the bus to get town-cred
Breadpost - Shitpost
EBWOP - Edit By Way Of Post - Making another post with changes instead of editing a previous one
RQS - Random Question Stage, a common way to start games where one player puts forth a survey of questions for every player to answer
OMGUS - Oh My God, U Suck - Voting on the person who voted on you
WIFOM - Wine In Front Of Me (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9TRMQwMNnY) - The dilemma that arises from trying to predict whether someone has made an optimal but expected choice, or a suboptimal but unexpected one
General Mafia Rules
1. Do not post, chat, OR PM ANY revealing information if you have been killed/removed from this mafia. You are allowed one death post that contains no information or commentary about the players.
2. You are not allowed to edit or remove your post. Instead, EBWOP will take effect. This means you must post again with the correct fixes.
3. Directly quoting or providing proof in any way of any PM sent by the host will result in an instant modkill and referral to the FGO.
4. You are not allowed to directly quote any PM sent by another player, unless you are quoting it to a fellow mafia member confirmed by the host.
5. You are not allowed to request to be modkilled in the thread. If you PM the host requesting to be modkilled, the host must find a substitute or modkill you at the end of the phase.
6. All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed.
7. The host has the final say in any dispute. Do not impersonate the host.
8. Any flaming/trolling will not be tolerated.
9. Players' actions should be motivated by this game's events solely. You may look at past mafias to determine behaviors for better reads, but keep personal affairs out of the game.
10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense.
*Any use of the word PM by the host or FGO refers to any method of communication outside of the game thread and the blab chat.
Breaking any of the above rules may result in a modkill as determined by the host, or a ban from future mafias or forum games in general as determined by the Forum Game Organizer.
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Elements Mafia 72 - Village of quiet noises
The small village of Sonus, laying silently between mountains and being mostly cut off from the world around, has never seen much bustling activity. The people mostly repeat their daily routine over and over again, not paying much attention to everything else. Still, they value their solidarity, helping each other in harsh times, like when food transports don't arrive due to the harsh environment. Sharing a tough life created a strong bond.
Recently, strange things started to appear in the otherwise calm village. Some people complained about loud noises during the night, while for the others it was as silent as it always was. As more and more citizens put up their complains, the police made it mandatory to avoid all noises during nighttime, and declared to imprison people for violating that rule. Yet, nothing changed, and a few brave inhabitants started searching for the source of these noises.
Game-specific rules
- Only Whisperers are allowed to talk outside of the topic (which also bans the chat), except for the Friendly Neighbour and his "Greet" target. All mafia players will be provided an Etherpad by the host.
- Players are allowed to post during the Night Phase.
- Encrypting messages in order to circumvent the PM ban is not allowed, but you may stray breadcrumbs available to anyone via text content. You are not allowed to obfuscate any text through formatting like spoilers (unless they simply quote another player's post), timers, tiny font size, hardly readable colour etc.
- Players may only use one ability per night.
- If the lynch is tied, no lynch occurs.
- Players are allowed to vote for "No Lynch".
- The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 5 minutes have passed since the last vote. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any vote swapping trolling/juggling. In any way, 30 minutes past the regular deadline will always be final.
- Declaring your intent to vote without using the proper format is a valid way to vote.
- If a player does not post for three consecutive phases, they are modkilled.
- The game will start on Night 0.
- Abilities cannot be used on self, unless otherwise specified.
- At the start of every Day Phase, the names of all players who made noise will be made public (but no roles or abilities).
Primary Roles
| Civilians |
- Their goal is to kill all Whisperers. Although they have no special ability, they outnumber them in the daily lynch.
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| The Whisperers (Mafia) |
- Their goal is to either kill all the Civilians or reach a parity at the start of the day. The Whisperers will perform a Nightkill every night. This is factional, does not count as an ability and cannot be tracked or blocked, unless the target is protected from it.
- Each night, one Whisperer may use the following ability instead of another one. If there is only one Whisperer alive, they may use both this and another ability.
- Haunt (ER): Target up to two players and guess their secondary roles. If you are right with all of those, they have their secondary roles removed permanently. If you guess wrong for at least one of those players, this ability as well as the nightkill will fail. This ability can't be blocked and can only be tracked by a Paranormal Scientist, but the Whisperer using it makes noise.
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Secondary Roles
Investigative Roles
| Officer |
- Observe (ER): Target a player. You learn their secondary role.
- Investigate (ER): Target a player. You learn their primary role. You must have observed them before.
- Raid (1U): Target a player. You learn their primary role. Makes noise.
- Note: There will be exactly one Officer, who will always be a Civilian.
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| Gunsmith |
- Check (EoR): Target a player. You learn whether they carry a weapon. Players with weapons are Whisperers, all investigative roles, Vigilants and Policemen who haven't lost their abilities yet.
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| Agent |
- Follow (ER): Target a player. Learn who they targeted this night.
- Hide (ER): Target a player. Learn who targeted them this night.
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| Paranormal Scientist |
- Research (EoR): Target a player. Learn whether they used Haunt this night.
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Offensive Roles
| Vigilante |
- Assassinate (EoR, 2U): Target a player and a method of killing them:
- Strangle: Kill target player without making noise. If your ability fails, your secondary role is revealed to the public.
- Shoot: Kill target player. Makes noise.
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| Mechanical Engineer |
- Motion Sensor (ER): Learn the names of all players who targeted you tonight. You do not learn which abilities were used.
- Experimental Trap (ER, 2U): Target a player. If your target targeted another player this night, your target's ability fails and they make noise. If not, but another player targets your target this night, the other player's ability fails and the other player makes noise. A trap will only work once, and in the latter case only on the ability with the highest priority (below Experimental Trap), but may hit multiple players if they share the same priority.
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| Policeman |
- Patrol (ER): Target a player. If they made noise, disable all of their abilities for the following night.
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| Drug Dealer |
- Red Pill (EoR): Target a player. They make noise.
- Blue Pill (EoR): Target a player. Their abilities do not make noise for this night.
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Protective Roles
| Doctor |
- Heal (ER): Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and all abilities that would kill. Fails if the target was healed or given Strange Pills the last night.
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| Paranoid Doctor |
- Strange Pills (EoR, 2U): Target a player including yourself. They are protected from the nightkill, but abilities can still kill them. If any other players target your target and make noise, these players will die.
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| Security Guard |
- Guard (ER): Target a player. Their ability fails and they cannot be targeted by other player's abilities.
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Special Roles
| Friendly Neighbour |
- Greeting (ER): Target a player. You may communicate with them via PM for the following Day Phase. Cannot target the same player twice in a row. Your target will be informed that you greeted them.
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| Undertaker |
- Dig up (ER): Use any ability (except Haunt) of any player who died during the last night or day. If you use the ability of an investigative role, Vigilant or Policeman, you are considered to have a weapon for this night. The priority of this ability matches the one you copy.
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| Grave Robber |
- Steal (1U): Target a dead player. You receive their secondary role permanently. If you target an investigative role, Vigilant or Policeman, you are considered to own a weapon from this night onwards.
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| Musician |
- Sing (ER): Makes noise.
- Cheer (EoR): Target a player. If they made noise, they will also make noise the following night.
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Key:
ER - Every round
EoR - Every other round
1U / 2U - One use / Two uses
Priority order
- Last night's Patrol
- Haunt
- Guard
- Experimental Trap
- Red and Blue Pill
- Heal
- Strange Pills
- Nightkill
- Assassinate
- All abilities not listed here
- This night's Patrol
Notes
- Follow, Hide and Motion Sensor will learn the names of all abilities except Haunt, unless their ability was blocked or their target guarded.
- Security Guards targeting each other will cause both of their abilities to fail. Security Guards targeting the same third person will guard said person. If Guard 1 blocks Guard 2 who was about to target someone else, Guard 1 will block Guard 2. Same for Mechanical Engineers (targeting each other will consume a use and cause noise for both, however).
- If one player receives both a red and a blue pill, these pills cancel each other. Multiples of the same pill on a player have no effect.
- One player either makes noise, or not. Multiple sources of creating noise are not additive, and the player's name will still only be told once. A blue pill cancels all noise a player would make.
- Weapons are no actual items, and are only related to the Gunsmith's ability.
- Abilities used through Dip Up have their original priority, e. g. Heal would still save the target from being killed. Copying Patrol will still alert a Gunsmith of a weapon.
- Upon using Steal, the Grave Robber will have two secondary roles: Grave Robber and whatever they stole. The Officer will learn both roles when observing, and both roles will be revealed upon death. Haunt will work even if it hits only one of their roles, but will only remove the abilities of the guessed role.
- The causes of all deaths are named, e. g. "Player was shot by a Vigilant!" The cause of a failed ability, however, will not be revealed.
Sign ups have ended! Have fun everyone!
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Phase Log:
Night 0 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291388/#msg1291388)
Day 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291603/#msg1291603)
Night 1 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291909/#msg1291909)
Day 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292145/#msg1292145)
Night 2 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292330/#msg1292330)
Day 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292474/#msg1292474)
Night 3 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292648/#msg1292648)
Day 4 (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292774/#msg1292774)
Game End (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292855/#msg1292855)
Spoiled Sign up list:
| Player Name | Primary Role | Secondary Role | Died on | Died by |
| moehrpi | Civilian | Mechanical Engineer | Night 0 | Nightkill |
| shockcannon | Civilian | Policeman | Night 1 | Modkill |
| Espithel | Civilian | Friendly Neighbour | Night 1 | Nightkill |
| Mobian | Whisperer | Security Guard | Day 2 | Lynch |
| Naii_the_Baf | Civilian | Undertaker | Night 2 | Nightkill |
| dawn to dusk | Whisperer | Paranoid Doctor | Night 2 | Strangle |
| Calindu | Whisperer | Friendly Neighbour | Day 3 | Lynch |
| TheonlyrealBeef | Civilian | Policeman | Night 3 | Nightkill |
| Annele | Whisperer | Grave Robber | Day 4 | Lynch |
Sign up list:
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In.
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Roleclaim N0 everyone?
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In
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Sure, why not.
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In
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Where does that bring me?
Back to this.
/in
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In. A bit sad that talking during the night is still allowed. I hope night phases are 24 hours at most.
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In. Regardless of role, I'll be playing a bit more like Linkcat expected me to now ;)
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Let's try to see how this works, In.
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I'm in
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In.
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Let's try to see how this works, In.
Same, in.
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In, but let it be noted I'm crazy busy atm so may struggle to keep up.
Then again, they tried and failed to NK me night 1 2 games in a row, then lynched me day 1 anyway last game so you fekkers seem to not want me playing for more than 2r hours anyway
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Lack of neutral evil role is a turn off, but I know everyone loves hating on me and I need to to revenge kill Submachine for throwing the last game for me.
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In request of Sub and ian, I reworded the abilities from Mechanical Engineer and the Paranoid Doctor. They still work as planned, but their wording was open to be misunderstood.
Policemen will no longer receive a specific message about whether their ability worked, as it will be clear anyway (checking who made noise and whether Patrol failed or not).
Feel free to ask anything you are unsure about, it is much better to clear that up before the game starts.
A few other things that I will also add to the notes:
- Abilities used through Dip Up have their original priority, e. g. Heal would still save the target from being killed. Copying Patrol will still alert a Gunsmith of a weapon.
- Upon using Steal, the Grave Robber will have two secondary roles: Grave Robber and whatever they stole. The Officer will learn both roles when observing, and both roles will be revealed upon death. Haunt will work even if it hits only one of their roles, but will only remove the abilities of the guessed role.
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INitiating new mission.
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In.
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Busy next 2 weeks, /out
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Yeah i have too much going on really, sorry. /out
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90 minutes left until we can start looking for the mysteries of Sonus!
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All roles are sent out!
There are 14 Civilians and 4 Whisperers.
There is exactly one Officer who is a Civilian. Any other secondary role might appear once, multiple times, or not at all.
Since they made their decision to track the source of these noises, the village was silent again at night. Did the police's warning succeed? Did the criminals escape? Did they even exist? Did these noises actually exist in the first place? Not knowing what was going on, the people agreed to still check everything now that they met already. The night would likely be a good time to do so, considering the complains have always been about the nighttime.
Night 0 started. There is no time left!
If you can convince Linkcat, the following nights will take 24 hours. In any case, when about half of the players are still alive, Nights will be cut to 24 hours.
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Linkcat (1) - Espithel
We have lives, you tit.
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im roleclaiming town.
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I'm town, AMA
/awaiting iancu's inevitable quadruple mafia dice roll
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I'm town, AMA
/awaiting iancu's inevitable quadruple mafia dice roll
What is your opinion on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?
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I'm town, AMA
/awaiting iancu's inevitable quadruple mafia dice roll
What is your opinion on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWmlRNfLck
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The dice have spoken. The following players are mafia: PlayerOa, Naii_the_Baf, MasterWalks, Submachine
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See, that was a really tepid response.
But that tune is groovy. I'll let you off the hook.
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The dice have spoken. The following players are mafia: PlayerOa, Naii_the_Baf, MasterWalks, Submachine
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See, that was a really tepid response.
But that tune is groovy. I'll let you off the hook.
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EBWOP: The dice have spoken. The following players are mafia: Calindu, Naii_the_Baf, MasterWalks, Submachine
Also sorry for previous double post. The forums are pretty laggy for me atm for some reason.
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calin vagman naii and MW, stop talking in your mafia pad and talk here.
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calin vagman naii and MW, stop talking in your mafia pad and talk here.
Okay :P
But iancu said Sub is mafia, not vag.
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calin vagman naii and MW, stop talking in your mafia pad and talk here.
Okay :P
But iancu said Sub is mafia, not vag.
LOL i didnt even look at ians post before saying my mafia predictions.
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Hi, my name is MasterWalks and im an addic...
Ive been accused of being mafia 3 times now and this is my first post. AMA
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Also, since these rues are not elements themed, i am having a tough time understanding them. Dont expect me to be aggro this time at east until i understand them.
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Please rewrite the rules for the following to be less vague. Even if you answer them here I would like the original post to be updated if necessary.
1.) If vigilante tries to strangle and is role blocked does that count as ability failing? Because if they're role blocked then it's not like the vigilante tries to strangle because they don't even get the chance. Wording makes it confusing because of how role blocking works.
2.) Do experimental traps stay active after the night they are used, if the experimental trap does not catch anyone the night it was originally used? Or does it disarm itself if nothing happens the night it was placed?
3.) What happens if strange pills is used on someone who gets killed by an ability that makes noise? Like if a vigilante shoots someone who was given strange pills, do both the vigilante and the recipient of strange pills die?
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Alright let's start this thing.
My scumreading dice (powered by 3 marks of entropy) says torb,shock and kae.SCUM CONFESS NAO!
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1.) If vigilante tries to strangle and is role blocked does that count as ability failing? Because if they're role blocked then it's not like the vigilante tries to strangle because they don't even get the chance. Wording makes it confusing because of how role blocking works.
If you roleblock a player who was about to use an ability, that ability fails. So, in your example, the Vigilante fails to strangle someone, and thus is called out. As always, uses are still consumed even after failure.
2.) Do experimental traps stay active after the night they are used, if the experimental trap does not catch anyone the night it was originally used? Or does it disarm itself if nothing happens the night it was placed?
Traps only work the night they are set. This is clarified by "this night" in the ability text. I added it one more time there to make it more obvious.
3.) What happens if strange pills is used on someone who gets killed by an ability that makes noise? Like if a vigilante shoots someone who was given strange pills, do both the vigilante and the recipient of strange pills die?
Yes, both die, as Strange Pills have a higher Priority than Assassinate.
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@ian now make a roll who dies tonight?
vagman i know for a fact your dice are wrong and for dicebased accusations to hold any weight you have to be master of entropy
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@ian now make a roll who dies tonight?
vagman i know for a fact your dice are wrong and for dicebased accusations to hold any weight you have to be master of entropy
But but but... I've won a war with entropy back when current master wore diapers.You youngsters have no respect for your elders!
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Also Calindu and Naiibaf are scumread by 2 people with actual authority! How do you plead?
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Alright let's start this thing.
My scumreading dice (powered by 3 marks of entropy) says torb,shock and kae.SCUM CONFESS NAO!
Such random bland accusations cast against an innocent do-gooder of justice will not be tolerated.
That would be me, of course.
@ian now make a roll who dies tonight?
vagman i know for a fact your dice are wrong and for dicebased accusations to hold any weight you have to be master of entropy
But but but... I've won a war with entropy back when current master wore diapers.You youngsters have no respect for your elders!
Old and senile? :silly:
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In fact MW was too but he's just an alcoholic it seems
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Also Calindu and Naiibaf are scumread by 2 people with actual authority! How do you plead?
Smh, it's pretty clear ian rigged the dice roll with his master of entropy power to deflect attention away from his mafia team.
Now, I actually rolled before the rolls were even sent, so my dice roll is accurate in predicting mafia, since I couldn't have rigged it:
[16:13:53] ‹Calindu›
(4d18) 2 + 13 + 14 + 7 = 36 ...✗
[16:14:25] ‹Calindu› dawn to dusk, shock, w3, kae confirmed mafia
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In fact MW was too but he's just an alcoholic it seems
I was an alcoholic too but had to quit due to old age ::)
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I... I have no defense! D: But maybe because it's just Night 0.
@Shock: Will I die tonight?
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How about this, yeah?
We have Linkcat tell us who to lynch
Then we lynch him for orchestrating the inexperienced
Then we like watch anime or something I dunno
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interesting , another one scumreading kae
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Also Calindu and Naiibaf are scumread by 2 people with actual authority! How do you plead?
Smh, it's pretty clear ian rigged the dice roll with his master of entropy power to deflect attention away from his mafia team.
Now, I actually rolled before the rolls were even sent, so my dice roll is accurate in predicting mafia, since I couldn't have rigged it:
[16:13:53] ‹Calindu›
(4d18) 2 + 13 + 14 + 7 = 36 ...✗
[16:14:25] ‹Calindu› dawn to dusk, shock, w3, kae confirmed mafia
Can 100% confirm this is not accurate.
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[16:14:25] ‹Calindu› dawn to dusk, shock, w3, kae confirmed mafia
Can 100% confirm this is not accurate.
www3 is Golden Nymph confirmed.
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So, kids! Let's have another interesting "how to be a bastard in mafia in N0" with Myrmiredon!
Did you know that if you make a post, you have around a minute before it gets properly uploaded into the forums?
If you edit this post during this time, it doesn't say it's been edited, allowing you to do all kinds of nefarious things. Not even the admins'll know if you did anything. Not even the who page defends against it.
Yeah. Ain't that creepy?
You'll never know what they said originally.
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Actually, according to rob77dp, you can somehow turn on email notifications that show you the original post. But yes, that is actually a thing.
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And you call discord bad because of edits. :^)
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Can we kill espi. He’s annoying.
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interesting , another one scumreading kae
I suppose only current masters can use the dice properly.
Sub note that the people who point out these fakes are in those "predictions" so they only need their rolepm to know the truth.
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Can we kill espi. He’s annoying.
Found the mafia, guys.
Trying to kill an annoying shithead off because it's an easy lynch. :^)
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hey guys i'm gonna go to round table what pizza do you guys want
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we should protect the shithead just to piss off w3
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hey guys i'm gonna go to round table what pizza do you guys want
P̡̻̝̏͌̅ ̨̳̙̇̀͐I̧̟͕͒̎͝ ̛̣̟͚͒̿N͔̲̯̈́̉͊ ̙͍̟̿̽͠E̡̲̪͗͐̚ ̢̱̝̿̍̿A̝̱͕̐̿̀ ͕͖͋͆̀͜P̨̘̞̊̀͝ ̱̰͇̀̀̽P̧̩̞̎͋͑ ̬͍͕̑̏́L̟̬͚̇͒̑ ̣̝̯͒̈́͊Ȩ̧͚̓͊͊
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We're lynching MasterWalks 100%
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Actually , for serious just for once, I've found kae's serious responses to defend himself against shits n giggles a bit suspicious.+1 on slight towards scum list.
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Btw guys, did you notice that Calindus post is super shady? He mentions how iancudorinmarian must be scum and manipulated his roll and yet his own dice don't show iancudorinmarian.
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We're lynching MasterWalks 100%
Agreed. Pineapple on pizza is a criminal act all in itself.
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I'm writing a random death evasion note.
Town, plz no kill. Let the mafia snipe me, I don't expect to live longer than Night 3 anyway.
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Actually , for serious just for once, I've found kae's serious responses to defend himself against shits n giggles a bit suspicious.+1 on slight towards scum list.
The dice of the master of entropy are holy! Obv they probably obscure at least one mafia member (since only 3 of them have proven themselves), but I like their odds better than your ordinary fully random dice. Im not even scumreading you for it - as the true dice don't mention you-, but you need to stop being a heretic
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Actually serious: Also, you should know by now that I always defend myself, serious or nah. I try to be funny if I think it was a joke, sorry if I failed at that this time.
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im roleclaiming town.
I counterclaim. Ez mafia, three more to go.
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Hi, my name is MasterWalks and im an addic...
Ive been accused of being mafia 3 times now and this is my first post. AMA
We can't all be wrong. Found another one. You shouldn't have even bothered posting.
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Alright let's start this thing.
My scumreading dice (powered by 3 marks of entropy) says torb,shock and kae.SCUM CONFESS NAO!
Only rolled three dice becasue he's the fourth mafia. Boom, only one left.
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So, kids! Let's have another interesting "how to be a bastard in mafia in N0" with Myrmiredon!
Did you know that if you make a post, you have around a minute before it gets properly uploaded into the forums?
If you edit this post during this time, it doesn't say it's been edited, allowing you to do all kinds of nefarious things. Not even the admins'll know if you did anything. Not even the who page defends against it.
Yeah. Ain't that creepy?
You'll never know what they said originally.
Did the same shit as mafia last time, he's mafia again.
GG guys, it's over. Mafia 73 when?
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hey guys i'm gonna go to round table what pizza do you guys want
Only mafia eats at Round Table. Another one down.
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Shit, that's 5 mafia. Ginyu is a bastard mod confirmed.
No town would ever be a bastard mod, he must be mafia.
Ginyu (1) - Linkcat
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So, kids! Let's have another interesting "how to be a bastard in mafia in N0" with Myrmiredon!
Did you know that if you make a post, you have around a minute before it gets properly uploaded into the forums?
If you edit this post during this time, it doesn't say it's been edited, allowing you to do all kinds of nefarious things. Not even the admins'll know if you did anything. Not even the who page defends against it.
Yeah. Ain't that creepy?
You'll never know what they said originally.
Calling MW.
hey guys i'm gonna go to round table what pizza do you guys want
Anything with pineapple.
Actually serious: Also, you should know by now that I always defend myself, serious or nah. I try to be funny if I think it was a joke, sorry if I failed at that this time.
We all can see the German flag next to your name, you're fine.
I served my first War under Master iancu:
4d18: 4 + 18 + 1 + 15 = 38
Mobian, Naii, Link, Nelly
Otherwise I'm with darling Link.
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What can Gunsmith learn from his ability? Which one of Agent's abilities has higher tactical priority? What's the practical use of Friendly Neighbour? What the heck is Musician good for? Or more general what can we read from someone making noise?
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Hey guys can we please protect Graboid's identity this game
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Hey guys can we please protect Graboid's identity this game
Absolutely not! Everyone votes! Non-voters are commie scum.
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Sources of noise:
Haunt (all Whisperers) tbh I dont expect this one to be used ever
Raid (Officer)
Shoot(Vigilante) Imo being revealed as Vigilante after making a kill is good and since the source of death is revealed we know who they shot
Experimental Trap (mech engineer): target or someone who targets the target makes noise (that person used an ability that round)
It may be usefull to role claim after using it
Drug Dealer: can both hide and cause someone to make noise. Dont use it without reason!
Musician: This guy seems useless. It muddies everyones knowledge of who made noise for a reason. Imo the only noise worth distracting from is the officers raid ability
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Submachine's tip of the day:
When a heated argument is going on during a Day phase, always check who avoid being part of the argument. Mafia's best strategy in the last two games have been to let Town members eat each other while sitting back.
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Submachine's tip of the day:
When a heated argument is going on during a Day phase, always check who avoid being part of the argument. Mafia's best strategy in the last two games have been to let Town members eat each other while sitting back.
Ty for telling mafia what to do.
Subs a mafia.
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I disagree with roleclaiming. I fully expect Haunt to be used and this makes it too easy for mafia.
Does everyone agree that making noise is generally bad for town / scummy? So, tread carefully.
Also, this time I will lynch everyone who uses guard N0. No questions asked.
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The noise of Vigilante kill has an immediately obvious tell that will be reflected in the flip. So long as we make sure all noise sources are explained to town at least the day after, noise is fine if it got us something usefull.
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The noise of Vigilante kill has an immediately obvious tell that will be reflected in the flip. So long as we make sure all noise sources are explained to town at least the day after, noise is fine if it got us something usefull.
I don't see all noise getting explained the day after. Mafia meddles with it and you don't want to roleclaim because of haunt.
There are 14 roles for 17 people + Officer. If we're lucky there's no Musician. ~~
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Obv dont use musician or Drug dealer for the lulz. Even if you roleclaim the typical drawbacks of role claim apply and if you dont the person that made noise will likely get lynched. Also if you find your role removed this means haunt was used!
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Let's discuss actually useful things.
Officer
•Observe (ER): Target a player. You learn their secondary role.
•Investigate (ER): Target a player. You learn their primary role. You must have observed them before.
•Raid (1U): Target a player. You learn their primary role. Makes noise.
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Should the Officer start off with a Raid or should he keep it for later? With no guarantee that the Officer lives, it might be better to start off with a rushed investigation with the cost of making noise.
Before the game, I was wondering if the Drug Dealer role has any use for Town, but there might actually be. If we decide that the Officer should rush an investigation on Night 0, all Drug Dealers should target self to hide the Officer's identity. It's like hiding a Graboid but during a single phase.
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Hmm, that's risky though. If a player only makes noise once, it is easier for the Mafia to deduce the Officer from them.
Drug Dealer is not a pro-Town role, so the only way I see Drug Dealers being useful is targeting self with Loud Pills on Night 0 and never using any abilities for the rest of the game. So even if the Officer doesn't use Raid, the Drug Dealers can delay the Mafia from finding the Officer.
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I would reserve that one for the night the officer wanted to claim anyway. An undertaker should use raid instantly over
any other ability though (it's the only way for them to gain alignement info directly unless both officer and grave robber died in the same phase, or very lucky grave digger use)
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Town!Friendly neighbor could coordinate town! Drug dealer with officer, it's unlikely and dangerous though
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Heck, Town Musicians, start singing on Night 0. We need all the cover possible for the Officer. Let's make Night 0 the loudest night there is!
I would reserve that one for the night the officer wanted to claim anyway. An undertaker should use raid instantly over
any other ability though (it's the only way for them to gain alignement info directly unless both officer and grave robber died in the same phase, or very lucky grave digger use)
Why though? The Officer might not live until the day he wants to claim. And it's even more efficient if both the Officer and the Undertaker use Raid. The only downside is the noise, which you didn't address.
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Asking for protection from Doc.
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Asking for protection from Doc.
Anyone who disagrees is mafia as only mafia would want me to not be protected so they can nk me.
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Raid is bad early game. Sub is either being silly or scum trying to out the cop asap.
Also, please DO NOT USE THAT STUPID WARDEN ABILITY JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE "SEEMS" SCUMMY.
YES, THE CAPS WAS INTENTIONAL.
Protecting w3 is dumb. @Doc, just protect someone random. It's best this early in the game.
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Do you need actual explanation why making noise n0 in general is obv terrible or can you conclude it yourselves? Subs plan is obv terrible
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Officer using raid at any time before they claim is very risky in my opinion. It relies on other players making noise in order to hide the officer, and stop at the right time so the officer doesn't stand out as the only one not making noise anymore. There are two strategies I find about using raid:
1. Officer raids right before they want to claim, no other actions that need to be coordinated are needed. No additional risk, low reward.
2. Officer raids N0, while as many players that can make noise do it, but not make noise anymore after. High risk, medium reward.
As you can see, the second strategy needs a high degree of coordination, and even then, it's still risky as we don't know how many players can make noise. Moreover, I'm not sure that knowing the primary role of a player 1 night earlier is that much better. Also, even if the second strategy is executed correctly, the chance of the officer being sniped before they claim is still there.
I suggest officer holds onto raid until they want to claim.
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Shit, I actually forgot that someone was going to die this phase. Doc on me. Don't listen to w3, he's mafia.
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Heck, Town Musicians, start singing on Night 0. We need all the cover possible for the Officer. Let's make Night 0 the loudest night there is!
I would reserve that one for the night the officer wanted to claim anyway. An undertaker should use raid instantly over
any other ability though (it's the only way for them to gain alignement info directly unless both officer and grave robber died in the same phase, or very lucky grave digger use)
Why though? The Officer might not live until the day he wants to claim. And it's even more efficient if both the Officer and the Undertaker use Raid. The only downside is the noise, which you didn't address.
I oppose your plan. A blind raid is worse than one based on reads. We even could coordinate it on another night. Plus, even if it were successful you needed to claim which is bad. Raid is only one night faster than his other abilities. Of course, raiding and confirming town N0 could possibly safe them if they happen to be carried to the gallows. However, that seems unlikely.
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| I think it's a good Night 0 plan for all Drug Dealers and Musicians to make noise, while the Officer may or may not use Raid. This uncertainty also keeps the Mafia guessing whether the N0 noisemakers had any Officers in it. |
@Calindu, iancudorinmarian: The above plan should have no downsides and allows the Officer to make the decision.
The Officer's identity is also a factor. If he believes he is a popular Nightkill target, using Raid early can be beneficial to squeeze in as many info as possible. But if he is someone who mafia would not normally target, he can try his luck.
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Sigh, explanation time:
In order for the officer to get any use out of their ability they need to drop hints. Town may not recognize them instantly, but mafia has 4 heads and insider knowledge to discern them. There are maybe 4 roles in the game that make noise without killing or roleblocking at the same time and thats optimistic. As such the survival rate of the officer instantly drops to 1/5th, worse if they actually share their result somehow. Also it's a soft roleclaim for everyone involved
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| I think it's a good Night 0 plan for all Drug Dealers and Musicians to make noise, while the Officer may or may not use Raid. This uncertainty also keeps the Mafia guessing whether the N0 noisemakers had any Officers in it. |
@Calindu, iancudorinmarian: The above plan should have no downsides and allows the Officer to make the decision.
The Officer's identity is also a factor. If he believes he is a popular Nightkill target, using Raid early can be beneficial to squeeze in as many info as possible. But if he is someone who mafia would not normally target, he can try his luck.
Sure, Officer gains more information. However, that information is not public and public information will be even more scarce that way. The only thing is that Officer saves one night phase. He loses his OU for any other night when there are actual reads.
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Sigh, explanation time:
In order for the officer to get any use out of their ability they need to drop hints. Town may not recognize them instantly, but mafia has 4 heads and insider knowledge to discern them. There are maybe 4 roles in the game that make noise without killing or roleblocking at the same time and thats optimistic. As such the survival rate of the officer instantly drops to 1/5th, worse if they actually share their result somehow. Also it's a soft roleclaim for everyone involved
I have an open mind, so let's say that it's not good for the Officer to make noise. I'm willing to accept this. So let's move on to the other noise-making roles.
Let's say we only have 1 Drug Dealer and 1 Musician. I feel this has a good chance. They both make noise only once during the game (during any phase). You say this softclaims them, but it doesn't. A person who made noise only once during a game can still be an Officer, a Drug Dealer or a Musician. And if the Officer was not among them, it serves as a comfortable decoy.
Town Drug Dealer and Town Musician are bad roles for Town anyway. The only useful thing they can do is to be decoys for the Officers. Is that not fair? I really believe this to be a good strategy for Town.
Sigh. Responding to moe will take more time, because I disagree with him in almost everything. :( Almost.
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While Sub’s plan is good in theory, I’m convinced the Officer gets even better protection if there is no noise pattern - i.e. random noise at random times from different people OVER TIME. At least mafia won’t eliminate 75% of officer candidates by D1 this way
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The chance that the officer gets a mafia N0 with raid is pretty low. And then he needs to claim. And if he gets a civvy, it's worthless, as he can't really confirm that person.
The officer should use raid late game when there is a high chance for it to fish out a mafia. Right now, it's an unnecessary risk.
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@PlayerOa: True. That's why my updated suggestion is for Drug Dealers and Musicians to make noise only once per game, but during any phase. (Quote from my last post: "They both make noise only once during the game (during any phase).")
I post my updated plan below. Now this plan REALLY shouldn't have any downsides.
| I think it's a good plan for all Drug Dealers and Musicians to make noise only once during the game, but at any phase. The Officer may or may not use Raid, who knows. This uncertainty keeps the Mafia guessing whether the one-time noisemakers had any Officers in it. |
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Shit, I actually forgot that someone was going to die this phase. Doc on me. Don't listen to w3, he's mafia.
Using doc on a mafia is a waste of a role. Don’t use it on link.
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I can stand behind that updated plan, Sub.
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:)
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Can’t officer just role claim and have the doc protect him every night? (I haven’t looked at rules properly so don’t gang up if I’m missing something )
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Doctor: Heal (ER): Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and all abilities that would kill. Fails if the target was healed or given Strange Pills the last night.
So no, that can't be done, and it also leads to a boring "follow the cop" game.
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EBWOP: It would lead
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And Sub's "plan" is basically "ok officer, do whatever you want". 10/10.
Tbh, this seems to me like Sub is trying to be "helpful" in an attempt to seem civvy.
Seems like I've found a good D1 lynch.
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@PlayerOa: True. That's why my updated suggestion is for Drug Dealers and Musicians to make noise only once per game, but during any phase. (Quote from my last post: "They both make noise only once during the game (during any phase).")
I post my updated plan below. Now this plan REALLY shouldn't have any downsides.
| I think it's a good plan for all Drug Dealers and Musicians to make noise only once during the game, but at any phase. The Officer may or may not use Raid, who knows. This uncertainty keeps the Mafia guessing whether the one-time noisemakers had any Officers in it. |
I would not call this a plan either. But the idea is not bad. Just keep noise to a minimum.
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Honestly? I sorta like that "plan". I assume people get notified when they lose their abilities and haunt is the only way for that to happen and it creates noise. there is a downside in case mafia has a drug dealer and someone makes noise the same day haunt is used. Another one if drug dealer makes the officer make noise (alternately only target yourself ever, but then we are back to softclaiming)
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Basically the "plan" we arrive at at the end is only complain about noise if someone complains about losing abilities.
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I initially read it that it only makes noise when it fails. Now I expect a lot less haunting than I did before.
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Tbh, this seems to me like Sub is trying to be "helpful" in an attempt to seem civvy.
A successful attempt to be helpful, mind you.
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Doesn't seem all that successful if you've managed to make me scumread you N0.
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:/
That's not optimal, but what can I do. I really believe that my endeavors are helpful for Town. If you scumread that, I can't do anything about it.
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@ian: Are you already tunneling me or can you still be reasoned with as time goes?
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Sorry but that “plan” isn’t really any helpful at all. Not to mention, that there are many flaws such as assuming which roles are in the game or not.
Though this is very much town sub play, proposing “plans” which don’t acc lead to much.
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Come on, you act like you disagree that Drug Dealer and Musician should not use their abilities more than once and only on themselves.
Using it in any other way is harmful for Town, except if it's arranged. If it's arranged, go for it.
Drug Dealer is like Anubis was in the last game: only really helpful for Mafia. We should make sure we don't misuse them like Wardens.
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RIP. I'll just shut up. Ian and shock will pile on me for no reason anyway. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/581568021554921494/unknown.png)
Does anybody else feel as if ian is breadcrumbing Agent with this?
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Come on, you act like you disagree that Drug Dealer and Musician should not use their abilities more than once and only on themselves.
Using it in any other way is harmful for Town, except if it's arranged. If it's arranged, go for it.
Drug Dealer is like Anubis was in the last game: only really helpful for Mafia. We should make sure we don't misuse them like Wardens.
Instead of these cretins, I will actually be useful, hm?
First off, let's assess what actually causes noise:
Sources of noise:
Haunt (all Whisperers) tbh I dont expect this one to be used ever
Raid (Officer)
Shoot(Vigilante) Imo being revealed as Vigilante after making a kill is good and since the source of death is revealed we know who they shot
Experimental Trap (mech engineer): target or someone who targets the target makes noise (that person used an ability that round)
It may be usefull to role claim after using it
Drug Dealer: can both hide and cause someone to make noise. Dont use it without reason!
Musician: This guy seems useless. It muddies everyones knowledge of who made noise for a reason. Imo the only noise worth distracting from is the officers raid ability
We have:
Haunt - Confirmed scum ability.
The Officer - Confirmed civ if it's discovered, must be protected at all costs, probably not going to raid ever as a result.
The Vigilante - Can shoot. Will more likely strangle - Shooting implies that they think the ability is going to fail, which only makes sense for mafia to do in normal circumstances.
The Mechanical Engineer - A limited roleblocker. Not massively useful as town in terms of its noise ability, but helpful to scum. First ability is a lot more useful but doesn't make noise.
Drug Dealer, Musician - Obfuscates the above noises. Drug Dealer blue pilling is almost always guaranteed to be scum, as is them making noise on other people (see below.)
So, of all the options here, the only "noise" we make comes from Haunts, Ability fails, Pointless Obfuscation, scummy Vigilantes, Scummy Engineers, and Officers being risky.
Most of this is scummy.
Or, to put it another way:
All noise points towards scum.
We should heavily investigate all sources of noise, and make as little noise as possible.
The only non-scummy sources of noises that will realistically happen this game in an optimal environment are:
- A drug dealer trying to force a lynch by red-pilling someone, which confirms that there is a scum drug dealer.
- An engineer trying to cause abilities to fail, which is scummy in a normal environment.
However, there are complicated strategies that can be employed that require noise. All of these plans require a level of coordination that cannot be achieved by the town until the late game, and as thus should be ignored for now.
If we are going to use the police's raid ability, it should be on N2, when the Officer will know the primary roles of two people, allowing them to roleclaim with heavy information. If we do this, as much noise as possible should be created on N2 and only on N2.
Also, I think I know a way to enable follow-the-cop, but it shouldn't be worked towards. Will post in a bit.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/581568021554921494/unknown.png)
Does anybody else feel as if ian is breadcrumbing Agent with this?
How so?
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I will agree with the statements that noise is caused by scummy actions and focuses on obfuscation. Obfuscation is most useful against town, but less so against mafia. Especially if there is a mafia drug dealer. Town may be lulled into a false sense of safety through randomness of noise sources, while mafia knows there is little random about it. All of it is orchestrated.
People that want to make noise now, are either misguided or attempting to cover up mafia crimes. Using raid with officer now is unwarranted and the only town-friendly noise.
Instead, minimize noise and focus on investigating people that make noise, while being wary that a mafia drug dealer may be leading people astray on purpose. Using raid on players that made noise is potentially suicidal, however, in case of paranoid doctor. So don't raid, don't make noise.
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/581568021554921494/unknown.png)
Does anybody else feel as if ian is breadcrumbing Agent with this?
How so?
I hoped you as the master pictionary could enlighten us. :|
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Nevermind, kids!
Follow the cop doesn't exist.
I thought I could use Strange Pills but the way it's worded implies that it's a permanent protection e.e
If we are going to use the police's raid ability, it should be on N2, when the Officer will know the primary roles of two people, allowing them to roleclaim with heavy information. If we do this, as much noise as possible should be created on N2 and only on N2.
EBWOP:
If we raid on N2, and the officer doesn't want to roleclaim on D3, then we should make a fuckton of noise.
The officer not roleclaiming is entirely valid.
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I cant believe that strange pills would last forever, especially given that it specifies that heals fail on the following day; otherwise there is a good chance our officer can relatively safely out themselves (dont do it unless Ginyu confirms strange pills are permanent!)
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/581568021554921494/unknown.png)
Does anybody else feel as if ian is breadcrumbing Agent with this?
How so?
I hoped you as the master pictionary could enlighten us. :|
This is an image of a tunnel, responding to Submachine asking if Ian is going to tunnel him.
I believe it's a meme this early, although I don't like www3 and Ian being dismissive little knobgoblins in response to what Sub's saying. Not helpful for the town.
The image has not been doctored in any way from last game - it's a straight quote from my image, so there's no special hidden meaning behind it.
Why do you feel it's an agent breadcrumb? If you can articulate your thoughts, I could help you better.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/593111304794013736/unknown.png)
Ian's a furry.
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I cant believe that strange pills would last forever, especially given that it specifies that heals fail on the following day; otherwise there is a good chance our officer can relatively safely out themselves (dont do it unless Ginyu confirms strange pills are permanent!)
See, doctor and strange doctor use the same wording:
| Doctor |
- Heal (ER): Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and all abilities that would kill. Fails if the target was healed or given Strange Pills the last night.
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| Paranoid Doctor |
- Strange Pills (EoR, 2U): Target a player including yourself. They are protected from the nightkill, but abilities can still kill them. If any other players target your target and make noise, these players will die.
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I read paranoid doctor without reading doctor. Biiig mistake. Ignore me here.
Still hate the wording. e.e
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So, kids! Let's have another interesting "how to be a bastard in mafia in N0" with Myrmiredon!
Did you know that if you make a post, you have around a minute before it gets properly uploaded into the forums?
If you edit this post during this time, it doesn't say it's been edited, allowing you to do all kinds of nefarious things. Not even the admins'll know if you did anything. Not even the who page defends against it.
Yeah. Ain't that creepy?
You'll never know what they said originally.
Calling MW.
Ahem
Oh this is super sketchy. Espi had options here.
He continues to use do it without telling anyone. Thats real Mafia spirit. He uses a tool bug to his advantage until told otherwise. The only thing this tool bug can do to rise suspicion is tell you if someone is sending a PM nothing because its ultra scummy. So this doesnt role reveal meaning the only person this tool bug is harmful to is Mafia everyone. The only people who wouldn't want this tool bug used is Mafia everyone. So Espi asking in public is super weird. He couldve asked sub Ginyu in private just as easy. But it sounds like he wants the tool bug banned to be used. His excuse? The spirit of Mafia.
Damn good excuse tbh. HOWEVER, asking about its legality in public is still really weird. It doesnt sit right with me. Espi doesnt sit right with me overall tbh. Lemme break it down into pros and cons.
Pros if we lynch
Mafia Kill
No more owo posts
Cons
Possible civ kill tho i doubt it.
Pros outweigh the cons.
Seriously tho, I got no reads. Guess I gotta wait for shockcannon to come in and sow in chaos seeds.
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Both Heal and Strange Pills only last the night they are used.
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That was a lot to catch up on! Possible theory regarding officer protection... what if the doc and security guard took turns targeting the officer?
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That was a lot to catch up on! Possible theory regarding officer protection... what if the doc and security guard took turns targeting the officer?
Unfortunately:
| Security Guard |
- Guard (ER): Target a player. Their ability fails and they cannot be targeted by other player's abilities.
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| The Whisperers (Mafia) |
- Their goal is to either kill all the Civilians or reach a parity at the start of the day. The Whisperers will perform a Nightkill every night. This is factional, does not count as an ability and cannot be tracked or blocked, unless the target is protected from it.
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| Doctor |
- Heal (ER): Target any player including yourself. They are protected from the Nightkill and all abilities that would kill. Fails if the target was healed or given Strange Pills the last night.
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| Paranoid Doctor |
- Strange Pills (EoR, 2U): Target a player including yourself. They are protected from the nightkill, but abilities can still kill them. If any other players target your target and make noise, these players will die.
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At best, we can heal, then give pills. If we do that on N3 and N4, that gives 3 confirmed players. Which is a pretty large number.
This assumes that both the doctor and the paranoid doctor is in the game, and that both are town, and that neither dies, *and* that the mafia does not have vigilante/trap engineer/security/undertaker/grave robber.
The setup cost for it is simply too risky - we'd have to somehow confirm all these things in two lynches, which is just not feasible.
There is no follow the cop setup here.
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If officer claims -say- d3 after raiding the night before we get 2 mechreads instantly (assuming no blocks) and if both doctor and paradoctor are still around theyll heal in that order giving us another read in that scenario. If we find a doctor/paradoctor(assuming the former did the deed) who didnt heal when they should have they are also scum unless they were blocked.
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Oh, it's almost impossible to find someone is a doctor without them flipping except for when you use officers ability, in which case i suppose youll know their alignement soon enough anyway.
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Serious
Okay I would like to point out a 180 personality change with kaempfer. Kinda weird.
Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.
shock is acting normal.
not serious
Everyone has commented something except Annele. Quite=Mafia.
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Officer is not the only role that can confirm players. Gunsmith can also hard-confirm Town members. Not carrying weapon = Confirmed Town.
If you investigated me tonight, you would know I am Town for example. However, seeing how I will be on the stand tomorrow, it would require you to reveal, which is not worth it.
Okay, so, I planned to bring up another discussion topic for the Night before I got harshly interrupted.
From which pool should the Officer start investigating people?
The following is my opinion, which is to start discussion. If you disagree, that does not mean one of us is Mafia.
As the Officer slowly identifies his targets, both the Town and Mafia will be killing players. There is no use investigating someone if they are just killed by the Mafia next Night. So the Officer should target players who are unlikely to be targeted by the Mafia (inactive people and shockcannon). But there is also no use investigating someone who will get modkilled, so avoid the most inactive person on Night 0, then keep an eye out on who's likely to get modkilled. Furthermore, if the tensions are rising against a player, they are likely to get lynched next day, so unless the Officer is ready to claim, investigating them is also not something I advise.
I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.
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Gunsmith can also hard-confirm Town members. Not carrying weapon = Confirmed Town.
This is false.
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Okay, I'm dumb, that's actually true.
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No it's not. From rules: "Players with weapons are Whisperers"
Whisperers are the Mafia of this game. All Mafia carry weapons.
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Yeah, I read that and thought for a moment whisperer is a role like any other.
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Serious
Okay I would like to point out a 180 personality change with kaempfer. Kinda weird.
Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.
shock is acting normal.
Is that not just how Espithel is, in general? I will not bother defending him, but I see no clear reason to suspect him, yet.
not serious
Everyone has commented something except Annele. Quiet=Mafia.
That logic seemed to work really well last game. For mafia.
I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.
I can agree to that. I am a first time newb, so there is little value in killing me early. Feel free to investigate me.
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Serious
Okay I would like to point out a 180 personality change with kaempfer. Kinda weird.
Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.
shock is acting normal.
Not sure if I spot a shade here. just in case in order to stay consistent with my previous statement:
It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects" (though I have no idea tbh, what notscum(?) Linkcat would expect from me; point is I'm trying sth different) and also follow Linkcats other game, so I will copy a lot of lingu and techniques from there. None of this says anything about my alignement and I probably nuked this point way too hard.
As for shock, normal for him or actually normal? He usually only gets going Day1 it seems.
Im not forgetting Espithel, but I want him to respond directly first.
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Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.
This is what the cool kids call "being consistent." :^)
As the Officer slowly identifies his targets, both the Town and Mafia will be killing players. There is no use investigating someone if they are just killed by the Mafia next Night. So the Officer should target players who are unlikely to be targeted by the Mafia (inactive people and shockcannon). But there is also no use investigating someone who will get modkilled, so avoid the most inactive person on Night 0, then keep an eye out on who's likely to get modkilled. Furthermore, if the tensions are rising against a player, they are likely to get lynched next day, so unless the Officer is ready to claim, investigating them is also not something I advise.
I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.
There's a problem with talking about this.
There is no use investigating someone if they are just killed by the Mafia next Night.
What stops the mafia from killing whoever we think are good investigation candidates?
It it means they get to blank the power of the officer, that's just as good as killing the officer themselves.
It would be better, then, to investigate people who are in the limelight.
I would actually target you this first night, Sub. You seem a bit twitchy about Ian and www3 meming on you.
You're not really more likely to die then anyone else this coming day, but you're less likely to be nightkilled than anyone else because you feel like you're going to get lynched. No point nightkilling "safe lynch targets" (assuming you're town, of course...), after all.
not serious
Everyone has commented something except Annele. Quiet=Mafia.
That logic seemed to work really well last game. For mafia.
Lurking is too powerful a tool for the scum that it has to be challenged at all points in the game. The problem with the town last game is they kept changing their lynch targets at the last second repeatedly for absolutely no reason. It's also why you shouldn't bother preserving yourself, evans.
However, Annele is a face I have not seen in quite some time, and it's a day after night 0. I would be lenient on her.
Not only this, but Dawn, Shock, Weeb, and Naii are currently just as inactive as Annele.
Why did you single out Annele, Walks?
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Not sure if I spot a shade here. just in case in order to stay consistent with my previous statement:
It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects" (though I have no idea tbh, what notscum(?) Linkcat would expect from me; point is I'm trying sth different) and also follow Linkcats other game, so I will copy a lot of lingu and techniques from there. None of this says anything about my alignement and I probably nuked this point way too hard. You changed last game because you were getting used to mafia and because you started gaining attention. i do not like that you want to play how Linkcat expects you to. you should do the opposite, but I also dont really know how he expects you to play, I imagine its how TORB is currently playing
As for shock, normal for him or actually normal? He usually only gets going Day1 it seems. This is true and I digress here
Im not forgetting Espithel, but I want him to respond directly first.
However, Annele is a face I have not seen in quite some time, and it's a day after night 0. I would be lenient on her.
Not only this, but Dawn, Shock, Weeb, and Naii are currently just as inactive as Annele.
Why did you single out Annele, Walks?
Well to be completely honest, I just noticed she is the only one at the top of the page with (1) post. I havent kept up 100% with this game.
Insig being quite is him "being consistent" like the cool kids, same goes for d2d.
So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
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Well I did say it's not something I advise, but I didn't say I am forbidden to be investigated. A Gunsmith can get instant results on me if he really believes I will live longer than a day.
I would not bet on it.
So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
Why Naii and not Dawn, Shock and Weeb? They all have an equal amount of posts and Espi pointed this out in a post that you responded to. Is it an overlook or are you suspecting Naii more than the others?
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Oh, also:
It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects"...
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You did really well last game.
Trust me. You don't have to change much.
Just improve your diction and use a few more paragraphs.
Well I did say it's not something I advise, but I didn't say I am forbidden to be investigated. A Gunsmith can get instant results on me if he really believes I will live longer than a day.
I would not bet on it.
Why are you absolutely sure you're going to die before the game's even began, Sub?
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So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
Why Naii and not Dawn, Shock and Weeb? They all have an equal amount of posts and Espi pointed this out in a post that you responded to. Is it an overlook or are you suspecting Naii more than the others?
shock has talked wdym
"Insig being quite is him "being consistent" like the cool kids, same goes for d2d."
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I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.
I agree that the Officer should avoid investigating players that have been getting heat during the day, but at the same time, it might be good to actually do it before they want to reveal.
I don't agree though with avoiding likely targets for Nightkills, mafia has shown last game that NKing players that don't really talk much and letting the more talkative players throw rocks at eachother is a good strategy. I believe that the Officer just not looking at an entire pool of players is a bad strategy.
So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
I think you should know already that lynching inactive players that will not even try to defend themselves and offer information is a bad strategy in this community.
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You changed last game because you were getting used to mafia and because you started gaining attention. i do not like that you want to play how Linkcat expects you to. you should do the opposite, but I also dont really know how he expects you to play, I imagine its how TORB is currently playing
I still am and you too should strive to improve. Obv the Linkcat part (the opening post, not me following the other game) was kind of tongue in cheek and mostly supposed to mean I'll try to do better from the start.
If this is gonna derail the thread based on continously defending nonindicative stuff, I might have to abandon my "always defend"-stance, if we are just a major distraction for the rest of town based on you nitpicking each of my statements. There is only so much people are willing to read about the same thing.
Oh, also:
It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects"...
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/593171610194935808/unknown.png)
You did really well last game.
Trust me. You don't have to change much.
Just improve your diction and use a few more paragraphs.
Well, my reads were impressive in hindsight, but i didnt do anything about the crappy lynches (even was part of the problem) and people didnt get a strong read on me until 2 people influenced public opinion after seeing gn investigate me. my pushes were probably rather lame too.
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So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
I think you should know already that lynching inactive players that will not even try to defend themselves and offer information is a bad strategy in this community.
Not pushing lynch. Im pushing discussion. Lurking and inactivity are 2 different things. You can see who has logged in that day on the homepage of the forums. Both Naii and Annele have logged in since the phase started. I want them to talk.
Also, everyone thinks maf is going to NK inactives again. I highly doubt that will happen with these rules. I think orchestrations by going elbow deep on the noise factor is how they will play.
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Why are you absolutely sure you're going to die before the game's even began, Sub?
Because No Lynch is not an option and the biggest uproar was caused by my attempt to encourage an early Raid with the Officer. I barely got any defense on that one.
shock has talked wdym
Shock asked Ginyu once (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291404/#msg1291404) to clarify the rules. Dawn's only post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291451/#msg1291451) was a meme and the same is true (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291425/#msg1291425) for Insig. Their posts barely have any substance, so it's awkward that you are defending them.
Lurking is too powerful a tool for the scum that it has to be challenged at all points in the game.
I agree with this. But their pressuring has to be constant, and not something that starts 1 hour before lynch deadline.
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shock has talked wdym
Shock asked Ginyu once (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291404/#msg1291404) to clarify the rules. Dawn's only post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291451/#msg1291451) was a meme and the same is true (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291425/#msg1291425) for Insig. Their posts barely have any substance, so it's awkward that you are defending them.
Holy guacamole i made a "not serious" comment and here i am defending it every 10 min.
Shock is like Overdrive. He needs time to actually start working. this has already been stated.
Insig is quite every single mafia game he has played. He just sits back and makes terrible decisions without ever being lynched. Why would he change? Sounds like fun to me.
d2d whatever, sure ill call him out too i dont care.
Hell, anyone who has less than 10 posts is lurking scum and anyone with more than 10 is aggro mafia. Happy? everyone gets called out.
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I think that Calindu, kaempfer and Linkcat (if not mafia) are likely targets for Nightkills, while I am getting a lot of tension already. Annele also haven't posted yet, so she might get modkilled. I wouldn't call us good investigation targets yet.
I agree that the Officer should avoid investigating players that have been getting heat during the day, but at the same time, it might be good to actually do it before they want to reveal.
I don't agree though with avoiding likely targets for Nightkills, mafia has shown last game that NKing players that don't really talk much and letting the more talkative players throw rocks at eachother is a good strategy. I believe that the Officer just not looking at an entire pool of players is a bad strategy.
But discussing the potential pool is so much fun. By your statement for example, you are not actively seeking to dodge investigation, while Submachine seems quite adamant about not being targeted for investigation. If anything, it may prove to be a self-fulfilling prophecy by making him even more suspicious.
Okay, so, I planned to bring up another discussion topic for the Night before I got harshly interrupted.
Changing the subject does not help with that, either.
Lurking is too powerful a tool for the scum that it has to be challenged at all points in the game.
I agree with this. But their pressuring has to be constant, and not something that starts 1 hour before lynch deadline.
So put pressure bright and early by compiling a list of potential targets during the night to target during the day. One can switch away from them if there is a good scum read (alternative lynch) or defense. Changing a scum read in favor of an inactive late round should not happen, unless you ran out of potential scum reads.
So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
Why Naii and not Dawn, Shock and Weeb? They all have an equal amount of posts and Espi pointed this out in a post that you responded to. Is it an overlook or are you suspecting Naii more than the others?
This is a really good point and makes me want to pressure them all the more if no posts come up. Sneakily removing choices is a really scummy thing to do.
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No way a lack of posting night 0 makes for a good scumread. Guess MW's intention is wanting them to speak up more than anything.
Lel ninja'd
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Ya'll need to calm down. If there aren't at least two quality shitposts per page, then I will be very disappointed.
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I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.
Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.
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I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.
Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.
Only for one of us, though, unless he roleclaims. Do you think the Gunsmith should roleclaim with one confirmed town? Or should he hope to hit a second first?
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I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.
Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.
I think the devil is protesting too much.
You really need to learn to just accept that people don't like you and move on. You might get out of your self-fulfilling prophecy that way. (^:
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In case gunsmith finds Sub lying we can pretty much assume hes scum as town him shouldnt lie here. getting 1 mafia might be worth the roleclaim if its necessary, but only do it late if he otherwise wouldnt die and you found a weapon. If you confirmed him as town just subtly defend him within reason, but dont claim and dont make up reasoning that doesnt hold up.
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I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.
Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.
Only for one of us, though, unless he roleclaims. Do you think the Gunsmith should roleclaim with one confirmed town? Or should he hope to hit a second first?
I would rather get lynched D1 than trading the Gunsmith for me on D1.
I think that’s objectively the better play.
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But on later days, sure.
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Alright ima say it. I dont care if i get in trouble. I have been given a pass in rl and im going to use it now.
I dont like the way submachine is playing this game.
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I’ll shut up until the end of the phase then. :-X (Unless I am asked.)
But seriously, you are not the first one, MW. What should I do differently to make it generally tolerable? I stopped using invisi text, I’m not sending a bunch of PMs and I strictly play by the rules. I genuinely aim to improve my playstyle.
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There was only like one shitpost in 5 pages, smh. Thanks for trying, iancu.
Don't lynch Sub Day 1, that's silly. Don't check him either, just let him get Nightkilled. If he's alive in the late game, then we kill him.
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Why do people have it out for Sub?
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Why do people have it out for Sub?
Sub had a plan.
Ian and www3 didn't like the plan.
Sub then flipped the fuck out a bit.
Me and Torb don't like that he flipped the fuck out.
Sub now thinks he's going to die D1.
I don't like that he thinks that. Bit of a dramatic overreaction.
I personally have a policy that the first person to speak shouldn't be lynched, simply to encourage discussion, so I won't be voting on Sub either way.
There was only like one shitpost in 5 pages, smh. Thanks for trying, iancu.
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Spamming shitposts to please Link
This is what happens when you play Mafia for the memes
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(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506860354824044554/590595783145947198/4bb277e.jpg)
elbow deep
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I just finished my last exam of this semester, so haven't had time to read through everything until now, hence my being quiet until now. I'm still going through the rules again for intricacies, but I agree that in general avoiding making noise to start with is best.
I haven't played mafia on here in years, are the random images/memes supposed to mean anything significant?
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they can be if you think about it hard enough
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Its N0. can we stop posting so much? kthnx.
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Why do people have it out for Sub?
Sub had a plan.
Ian and www3 didn't like the plan.
Sub then flipped the fuck out a bit.
Me and Torb don't like that he flipped the fuck out.
Sub now thinks he's going to die D1.
I don't like that he thinks that. Bit of a dramatic overreaction.
I personally have a policy that the first person to speak shouldn't be lynched, simply to encourage discussion, so I won't be voting on Sub either way.
There was only like one shitpost in 5 pages, smh. Thanks for trying, iancu.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506860354824044554/591467384435507200/FO0GljH.png)
It's like you've never seen Sub play mafia before.
Thank you for that lovely image.
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Its N0. can we stop posting so much? kthnx.
I do what I want.
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Imagine actually asking people to stop talking in N0
lol
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The night faded away while they were still searching for clues, but neither did they find any source of the noise, nor was there any noise altogether. But what's even worse: One of them suddenly faded away! Although he is dead, his ears are still bleading, and everyone just stares at him in shock. What the heck happened, and how could nobody notice?
moehrpi was silenced. He was a Town Mechanical Engineer.
Day 1 started. There is no time left!
"Silenced" means being nightkilled. If no one made noise, I will simply leave that part out.
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Why the silence? You can stay silent when you are six feet under.
So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
Why Naii and not Dawn, Shock and Weeb? They all have an equal amount of posts and Espi pointed this out in a post that you responded to. Is it an overlook or are you suspecting Naii more than the others?
This is a really good point and makes me want to pressure them all the more if no posts come up. Sneakily removing choices is a really scummy thing to do.
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First off: Gunsmiths, only roleclaim if you could not greencheck submachine and even then wait until the second half of the day (also 1 gunsmith is enough for that any more roleclaims are terrible)
RIP moe. seems he was the most vocal town that didnt cause any controversy.
About Submachine: I first want to address him motivating gunsmiths to check him:
I think him carrying a weapon always makes him guilty here, as a villager should generally not lie, especially when they want to use their lack of power role as evidence for their towniness. if he had a power role like that and lied about it, his play was just absolutely terrible and while Sub evidently has his derpy moments i wouldnt expect him to fuck up that badly.
However, without a gunsmiths claim id wager submachine wouldnt have risked a 1:1 trade so early either. even if gunsmith is an above average Power role, mafia just cant afford trades like that unless sub truly thought he was gonna get lynched for sure.
Now about his original plan:
Town perspective:
1. He might actually have thought of it as a good idea and forgotten about how relatively few abilities make noise and many of them have drawbacks when used blindly. It's not outside his range to overlook the actual drawbacks since hes so busy trying to trick the system he might forget certain issues.
2. He might have hoped everyone but officer would have followed the advice, in which case mafia would tear through our most useless roles. However, since he doesnt seem to carry a weapon that plan relied on luck, as hes not the officer and explaining it publicly would have ruined it.
Mafia perspective:
If somehow this plan was followed by town our officer would have been quite exposed. However if sub realized the problems with this plan, would he not have given at least one of us the benefit of the doubt to see the quite obvious problems?
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About Submachine:
However, without a gunsmiths claim id wager submachine wouldnt have risked a 1:1 trade so early either. even if gunsmith is an above average Power role, mafia just cant afford trades like that unless sub truly thought he was gonna get lynched for sure.
EBWOP: I meant if sub were mafia here and a gunsmiths claim exposed him.
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Me carrying a weapon after all this would definitely make me guilty. Luckily that's not the case.
I thought I had good ideas, but I was wrong about a few things. Most importantly, about the pool of players who the mafia will target.
I am adapting my playstyle and strategies as machines should do. I might even get the hang of this shitpost thing that Linkcat mentioned. :silly:
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I do agree Sub is most likely town.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
@Linkcat, 24 hour night phases OR ELSE
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Don't think Sub would risk outing himself this early, so he gets my slight townread as well.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
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I'll take this as a testament to my immaculate play. gg, wp.
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I’ll have a proper read later in 24 hours time (Thursday’s are the busiest day for me). I’m the meantime, let’s play a game. Everyone, answer the following q:
Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
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I want answers, I know people have read the post.
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I do agree Sub is most likely town.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
@Linkcat, 24 hour night phases OR ELSE
I dare you to lynch me.
Kaempfer rolled town btw.
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I’ll have a proper read later in 24 hours time (Thursday’s are the busiest day for me). I’m the meantime, let’s play a game. Everyone, answer the following q:
Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
I wouldn't, I would kill you because you're annoying. Obviously, mafia was really scared of their kill being saved, but I don't really know what to make of this choice.
JCJ, dd, rob. In this game, Espi, kaempfer, Calin.
Mafia because I love killing people, also I live a lot longer.
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Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
hey guys i'm gonna go to round table what pizza do you guys want
Anything with pineapple.
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Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
1: not that likely to be protected, not mentioned in submachines post and thus more likely to have been targeted by officer, still fairly active and noone argued against him, so he would have been impossible to lynch as of then
2: Linkcat, Espithel, Submachine
3: both
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Response 1 was to the question "considering you were mafia" obv, dont get strange ideas because people bother answering it
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I’ll have a proper read later in 24 hours time (Thursday’s are the busiest day for me).
Proper reads? On Day 1??? Blasphemy! :o
I see we are doing RQS now. Okay then.
1. Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe? - Random shot in the dark.
2. Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates? - *
3. Do you like playing as mafia or town? - Irrelevant. But being Town fits the purposes of my agenda better in this game.
*A better question would be Which mafia players would you have the hardest time identifying?
This question points out the potential weaknesses of each Town member that we can work on improving. For example, I would have the hardest time against the team of dawn to dusk, www3, Calindu, and one of Espi or Linkcat. To work on this weakness, if dawn will stay silent for too long, I will attempt to draw attention to him.
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Right, it's daytime.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
worldwidenoob3 (1) -Linkcat
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Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
1. He was being active and helpful, and did not have any conflicts with anyone.
2. In this game Linkcat, kaempfer and shock.
3. Depends on the setup, if it's a really complex setup that relies on interactions between roles, then town, if it's bland and relies way more on reading people, then mafia.
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I’ll have a proper read later in 24 hours time (Thursday’s are the busiest day for me). I’m the meantime, let’s play a game. Everyone, answer the following q:
Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
Moe is someone who didn't post as much as others, and didn't ask for protection, so would be less likely to be protected I guess.
I haven't played in a long time, so don't know people's playing styles yet.
Mafia irl is always more fun to play as mafia, but that's just because towns don't all get interesting abilities. Online, either is fun, just different game experiences.
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1 - moe probably got NKed because he's already proven to be useful town, yet not controversial. Pretty easy-going imo.
2 - I'd enjoy having iancu, Link and Cal as teammates, although there are a lot of good candidates other than those three.
3 - Haven't rolled mafia in a long long time so don't really remember how it is playing as scum. I'm sure it would be a pretty interesting perspective, but I do enjoy playing as town.
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I’ll have a proper read later in 24 hours time (Thursday’s are the busiest day for me). I’m the meantime, let’s play a game. Everyone, answer the following q:
Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
I dunno. I probably would've NK'd shock.
vagbuddy, TorB, Calin
Mafia is more fun because you can O R C H E S T R A T E.
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Hey, Sub.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Look how not dying D1 you are right now.
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We can fix that.
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Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
1) Moe is a 0-information NK, which is what you want with NKs. You want to give out as little information as possible during your nightkills, so that the town has no information to go off of.
I would've gone for Annele, personally, because I said I would be lenient on her. Plausible deniability, y'know?
2) Espithel, Espithel, Espithel, Espithel dream team.
3) I prefer playing as Espithel.
We can fix that.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
LET'S GO BITCH
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
fixed
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If there were a 4 Espithel mafia team I would have to nuke mafia.
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Let's try this shitpost thing.
The Officer probably didn't have any mosquitoes in his home last night, because he didn't use the
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Sub: pls don't lynch me, I am civvy, gunsmith can confirm
Also sub: makes puns so bad that warrant lynching more than putting pineapple on pizza
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There is a subtle difference between shitposts and shit posts :silly:
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Eh, I'm more like a ham, cheese, bacon, chicken guy when it comes to pizza, sometimes with added corn. :silly:
I'll just put this here:
Okay, dawn gets my vote now if he haven't spoken yet.
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The countdown will say "Okay, dawn gets my vote now if he haven't spoken yet." when the time is up.
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The countdown will say "Okay, dawn gets my vote now if he haven't spoken yet." when the time is up.
I thought switching to inactives late day was a bad thing. Just vote to lynch now and switch if you get a satisfactory response? Unless you prefer dawn dying over dawn speaking up. The lynch count will be harder to miss than this one post while putting more pressure, especially if you had not clarified the countdown.
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Submachine's pun was great, however. I will give him that.
My most scummy scumread right now is Torb.
[quote author=TheonlyrealBeef link=topic=67245.msg1291628#msg1291628 date=1561610560]
[quote author=worldwideweb3 link=topic=67245.msg1291618#msg1291618 date=1561589968]
Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
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[quote author=moehrpi link=topic=67245.msg1291450#msg1291450 date=1561423385]
[quote author=InsignificantWeeaboo link=topic=67245.msg1291425#msg1291425 date=1561406045]
hey guys i'm gonna go to round table what pizza do you guys want
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Anything with pineapple.
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I feel like this post is actually explaining why Moerphi died - it feels like a meme, but doing random/funny NKs N0/N1 has been done before.
The fancy term for this is "projecting." I projected quite a bit last mafia - saying that I think the mafia loved the current state of the game, because they did. Saying that Shockcannon and MW were town, because they were. Sometimes, you do it to look credible, and other times, it's a freudian slip of sorts.
I feel like Torb is projecting right now
I admit this is a very weak scumread, but I think you should vote on who you think is scummiest each round. I'm happy to change it should more information be brought to light.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Also LOL at Sub's countdown this should not be allowed
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Please stop all this antiquote bs. If you want to say something, just say it. I don't want to have to quote every post because someone might've hidden something.
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You can't tell me what to do.
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
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Sure, vote on me and not the guy who's actually doing it unironically.
:^)
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It dawned on me right after posting that Ginyu said something about antiquotes, and I got worried whether I messed up, so I instantly revealed what’s in the countdown.
Torb raises a good point that I should vote on dawn now and remove my vote from him when he speaks. The countdown isn’t at late phase though. 10 hours of Day 1 will still remain.
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Good boy.
You're not unsalvageable.
In the spirit of forgiveness, here's what I said.
*Ahem*
My most scummy scumread right now is Torb.
Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
hey guys i'm gonna go to round table what pizza do you guys want
Anything with pineapple.
I feel like this post is actually explaining why Moerphi died - it feels like a meme, but doing random/funny NKs N0/N1 has been done before.
The fancy term for this is "projecting." I projected quite a bit last mafia - saying that I think the mafia loved the current state of the game, because they did. Saying that Shockcannon and MW were town, because they were. Sometimes, you do it to look credible, and other times, it's a freudian slip of sorts.
I feel like Torb is projecting right now.
I admit this is a very weak scumread, but I think you should vote on who you think is scummiest each round. I'm happy to change it should more information be brought to light.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Also LOL at Sub's countdown this should not be allowed
*Cough*
You can't tell me what to do.
This makes the current vote:
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Espithel (1) - Iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
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EBWOP
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
Does Espi's vote on TorB count?
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EBWOOP
So it does.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
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Host Note
Please refrain from hiding text in any way, including spoilers, tiny font size, hardly readable colours etc.
When I said I allowed breadcrumbs that are available to anyone, I referred to text content, not any formatting. It is really only annoying to read/quote through them and nothing else.
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The intention was not hiding, I just wanted a countdown. I'll just leave countdowns empty next time. :-[
For now, here is a cat.~
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EBWOOP
So it does.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
1. There’s no participant called worldwidenoob3.
2. Vaggyyyy talkkk nutkick someone
3. I’m town.
4. I’ll read up properly in 9 hours.
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Ugh ,finally some time to relax and read all the crap that's been posted. Subby you need to improve on shitposting cause that's just shit posting as it has been said :silly: It would have been hilarious if day started and there would be only one person having made noise lol :sillyspin:
Also I am still trying to figure out how this is played and the style of each player .For example, Linkat acts cool and post whatever the crap he likes like he's not afraid of the nightkill/lynching. Not sure if that's mafia behavior or just link being link ,probably the latter. :P
On my list of suspicious behavior is torbie(for pretty much what espi said) and www3 and link(after seeing the results of the nightkill it is obvious mafia wanted the kill to not be blocked and those people asked for protection.
I guess this day I will decide instinctively so I reserve my nutkick vote for later once more crap has been posted.
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also waiting for inactives to say something.
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3. I’m town.
Saying "I'm town" is the same as saying "It's not what it looks like" apparently.
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Sorry I've been less than active, my new job has a half decent firewall that blocks this site. To answer www3's questions:
I'd have gone after moe cause he wasn't in conflict with anyone, but also unlikely to receive protection.
If I could have my pick of mafia allies, it'd be MW, WWW3, and Linkcat.
Don't have a preference, I just enjoy the game.
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Dude seems kinda off. Will provide more reasoning during my next break.
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Also just wanna ask, do nks make noise? I guess no
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no , nightkills make no noise
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Capitalization matters.
Now, since my answer to worldwideweb3's answer lacked argumentation, let us zoom in on the question once more and realize, several people have not answered the question correctly:
Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Some people have been answering: why would other people being mafia kill moe?
When the question is: why would you kill moe?
Calindu, Annele and PlayerOa provide classic generic answers that do not single out moe. Why moe? For all those other choices out there, why him of all people? I would have picked a different target, so the best reason I can think of that singles out moe is... pineapple on pizza.
So now, let us focus on the other point. Why would other people, the actual mafia, have targeted moehrpi.
Now look at this post, just look at it:
I disagree with roleclaiming. I fully expect Haunt to be used and this makes it too easy for mafia.
Does everyone agree that making noise is generally bad for town / scummy? So, tread carefully.
Also, this time I will lynch everyone who uses guard N0. No questions asked.
Except for kaempfer13's post, almost every post before this was a shitpost. And then there's this: all of them harmful to mafia, all of them finding support among town. A consensus was practically even reached on all three points in the discussion afterwards. He did not participate in that discussion nearly as vocal as some others, yet this is the post that started it. Look back at it, read its context and be amazed.
Mafia might have noticed it, mafia might be trying to cover it up, I had not even noticed it until I really went back at his posts to look for it. To me, moe's N0 legacy was just pineapple on pizza.
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EBWOP: the "all of them" near the end refer to all of moehrpi's points.
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
I still don't buy he is town. My strongest scum read i guess.
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Anyone who hasn’t responded to my qs, respond or I’ll vote you.
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
Removing my vote for now.
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I still don't buy he is town. My strongest scum read i guess.
I don't think Submachine is mafia to be honest, while his proposed plan might not be the best, I believe he's just genuinely trying to be helpful. Obviously, this would change if a Gunsmith comes forward and says Submachine has a weapon, as he clearly hinted he doesn't.
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Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
1. With the information I have now,If I was mafia, I wouldn't care much about who to kill on N0.Just pick the most neutral option while managing to get rid as much of a useful opponent as possible. Before the end of the end of the night if you asked me who would get killed, moe was not even on the list.Now it looks like mafia managed and got a nice nightkill, low profile, useful, no connection with anyone.
2.Dunno, guess I would pick ianbunny, www3 and torb for being the closest people I'm with here.
3. Never played as mafia, but I wouldnt like it.More pressure which is something I hate. I would pick town anytime.
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Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
1) Because he was town. Less town means more chance of mafia to win.
2) Espithel and Insig. I wanna see if its possible to overdose on weebiness.
3) Never played as mafia so idk. I think i would be bad mafia but im not great town so yea, dunno an answer to this one.
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Anyone who hasn’t responded to my qs, respond or I’ll vote you.
But not even you answered those questions. >_>
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Anyone who hasn’t responded to my qs, respond or I’ll vote you.
But not even you answered those questions. >_>
Sub has a point! Out with it, www3!
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Anyone who hasn’t responded to my qs, respond or I’ll vote you.
But not even you answered those questions. >_>
It’s silly of me to answer my own q. Tho I’m happy to answer any qs you might have.
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It’s silly of me to answer my own q. Tho I’m happy to answer any qs you might have.
Okay.
If you were a mafia, and you could choose any person to NK, why would you choose moe?
If you could pick your own mafia team, who would you choose?
If you could choose your primary ability, would you choose Mafia or Town? Why?
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It’s silly of me to answer my own q. Tho I’m happy to answer any qs you might have.
Okay.
If you were a mafia, and you could choose any person to NK, why would you choose moe?
If you could pick your own mafia team, who would you choose?
If you could choose your primary ability, would you choose Mafia or Town? Why?
I would pick you.
Not you.
Anything that’s not in the same faction as you.
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It’s silly of me to answer my own q. Tho I’m happy to answer any qs you might have.
Okay.
If you were a mafia, and you could choose any person to NK, why would you choose moe?
If you could pick your own mafia team, who would you choose?
If you could choose your primary ability, would you choose Mafia or Town? Why?
I would pick you.
Not you.
Anything that’s not in the same faction as you.
Im town so this just confirmed w3 as mafia. Dont even have to have GN to find a mafia this early. GG just give me Master of Games.
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It’s silly of me to answer my own q. Tho I’m happy to answer any qs you might have.
Okay.
If you were a mafia, and you could choose any person to NK, why would you choose moe?
If you could pick your own mafia team, who would you choose?
If you could choose your primary ability, would you choose Mafia or Town? Why?
I would pick you.
Not you.
Anything that’s not in the same faction as you.
Alright, if I am going to attack anyone, you seem to be a better choice than anyone else out of the active people right now. Given you asked those questions you must have seen it as beneficial to you if they were answered. Yet you obviously dodge the question.
There are legit benefits for mafia to have these questions answered.
If they know what most of us are thinking is the principle behind nightkills, they can make better assumptions about who a doctor would protect and then just target someone else.
The other 2 questions can easily be used as traps to make someone say sth scummy as town without meaning to.
As such i conclude that you are uncooperativea and aim to sow discord.
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
EBWOP
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Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
NK'ing a town that is in the middle-- not a priority target for NK/protection, nor is inactive-- is a basically a random kill. Moe is someone who wasn't likely to be protected, but isn't completely in the dark. Basically just make sure the NK isn't pointless and also succeeds.
I don't really have a preference for a team.
I like having the blindness and mystery of town, although I can't say I don't like playing as mafia. The game is fun either way.
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LOL here we go again. you wil regret killing me, if it comes to that. Theres no point in me answering those qs because those answers mean nothing to you. i know what i was looking for, you dont. If you have any of your own qs you wanna ask, go for it as i said.
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LOL here we go again. you wil regret killing me, if it comes to that. Theres no point in me answering those qs because those answers mean nothing to you. i know what i was looking for, you dont. If you have any of your own qs you wanna ask, go for it as i said.
Well if you were town you would want to share your findings from the answers of the questions.
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LOL here we go again. you wil regret killing me, if it comes to that. Theres no point in me answering those qs because those answers mean nothing to you. i know what i was looking for, you dont. If you have any of your own qs you wanna ask, go for it as i said.
Well if you were town you would want to share your findings from the answers of the questions.
did you miss my post where i said thursdays are the busiest and ill read properly in about 20 minutes from now?
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Well, i will be awaiting your findings in ~30 mins time then
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General rule of thumb for town, yeah?
You're not privvy to double standards.
You ask RQS? You answer RQS.
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people who answered: link, torb, kae, sub, cal, anelle, oA, ian, espi, mob, vag, MW
not answered: dawn, shock, naii, insig.
This is just for my tally. Most of the mafia are probs in people who answered.
Ok, what i wanted to do was compare the answers to my last q to their answers in previous mafias( where this q was asked) and see if they were civ/maf then. I realise that takes a lot of time which i dont have.
All these reads to be taken with a pinch of salt.
MW torb and sub lean town.
espi vag mob lean mafia
link is hard to read, tho lening maf. just a gut.
rest ???
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shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
I need him to talk.
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people who answered: link, torb, kae, sub, cal, anelle, oA, ian, espi, mob, vag, MW
not answered: dawn, shock, naii, insig.
This is just for my tally. Most of the mafia are probs in people who answered.
Ok, what i wanted to do was compare the answers to my last q to their answers in previous mafias( where this q was asked) and see if they were civ/maf then. I realise that takes a lot of time which i dont have.
All these reads to be taken with a pinch of salt.
MW torb and sub lean town.
espi vag mob lean mafia
link is hard to read, tho lening maf. just a gut.
rest ???
Okay.
Would you like to actually back up and justify those reads with something more than "that's how we acted previous mafias?"
Not only that, but you vote for a neutral/unknown read instead of one of your scumreads.
Fucking explain yourself more clearly.
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people who answered: link, torb, kae, sub, cal, anelle, oA, ian, espi, mob, vag, MW
not answered: dawn, shock, naii, insig.
This is just for my tally. Most of the mafia are probs in people who answered.
Ok, what i wanted to do was compare the answers to my last q to their answers in previous mafias( where this q was asked) and see if they were civ/maf then. I realise that takes a lot of time which i dont have.
All these reads to be taken with a pinch of salt.
MW torb and sub lean town.
espi vag mob lean mafia
link is hard to read, tho lening maf. just a gut.
rest ???
Okay.
Would you like to actually back up and justify those reads with something more than "that's how we acted previous mafias?"
Not only that, but you vote for a neutral/unknown read instead of one of your scumreads.
Fucking explain yourself more clearly.
I did...i need shock to talk.
It would be stupid of sub and MW to nk moe looking at their interactions. Torb is posting stuff. Ian and cal were on maf train but then i saw a post that made me doubt so i removed. its all gut fam, do what your gut says.
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And your Vagman and Mobian and your Espithel scumread?
Vagman wasn't even in the last game.
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And your Vagman and Mobian and your Espithel scumread?
Vagman wasn't even in the last game.
Did you not read my posts? "what i wanted to do was compare the answers to my last q to their answers in previous mafias( where this q was asked) and see if they were civ/maf then. I realise that takes a lot of time which i dont have. "
If anyone who has time to check thru last mafias, go for it. My reads are simply based on interactions and how im feeling about players rn. its a very slight read, as i said.
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I read what you post, and I'm horribly disappointed. >:(
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
F it, shocks not someone you can pressure. You can just beg him to talk. Your highness, please appear.
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What exactly can you plan to gain from pressuring shock with a vote? Intel? He aint going to give you intel lmao. Hes not useful until late game and he would just mindgame you and give you the run-around until you inevitably give up.
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What exactly can you plan to gain from pressuring shock with a vote? Intel? He aint going to give you intel lmao. Hes not useful until late game and he would just mindgame you and give you the run-around until you inevitably give up.
He doesn’t give me a runaround I’ll have you know.
Also 16 hours left, sort it out town, imma head to sleep for now.
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What exactly can you plan to gain from pressuring shock with a vote? Intel? He aint going to give you intel lmao. Hes not useful until late game and he would just mindgame you and give you the run-around until you inevitably give up.
People that do not speak, have no chance to say something stupid that might expose them as mafia. In order to get a read on someone, they need to start posting. With no posts, someone is completely useless to town anyway, unless you're a power role like doctor that tries not to draw attention to themselves.
But being mafia is the most likely reason for not posting. I feel like I should note that each of the people that have not said anything this day, have been online for an opportunity to say something. Yet despite the hard to miss lynch count, they still chose not to utter a single word.
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We only have half the votes in, too. There's no role like graboid in this version, so there's no reason to not vote!
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shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
I was debating about voting ww3 all morning, but I'm not sure if mafia would start off the game by drawing that much attention to themselves. (Maybe I'm wrong, feel free to convince me otherwise.) In general, asking questions seems like a good idea to get people talking? I don't put much stock in his vaguereads though.
I think TorB's right; quieter players are less useful, if not intentionally trying to keep out of sight, so I'll put my vote on shock atm.
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I'm not sure I feel like joining in on pressuring shock to talk. Sounds dangerous to me and I don't like dangerous. I personally don't scum read him yet. Slight town read but I'm not really sure. It's only day 1 but the lack of posts is really quite interesting. I don't have the time to go back and look at previous mafia games, but someone with more time should go reference the last two mafias and look for patterns in activity. If I remember correctly, shock was town the last two games and I think he was pretty active early on. So the quietness this game could be a result in him being mafia and changing his strategy accordingly. Would need to read past mafia games closer, but I don't have the time. Again, this is all just early reads, so don't put too much weight into it. Just giving my thoughts.
If I had to guess, I would wager that shockcannon carries a weapon. Just a hunch.
As for my biggest scum reads and town reads:
Town: kaempfer13
Mafia: kaempfer13
As for the 3 part question, I would throw for town if it meant next game I could be mafia because mafia rhymes with elbillug.
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Yo hold up I'm reading the thread now I'll post thoughts or something soon
I was pretty busy yesterday and tired when I got home, sorry about the delay
Chirp
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shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
Better than nothing, I guess. The activity sarcasm from shockcannon seems to fit MasterWalks story if nothing else. Something that could likely be confirmed. Does not rule him out being mafia either, though, so be careful of your overprotectiveness MW. It could be viewed as covering your mafiabuddy.
I will have time to analyse scumreads more thoroughly 1-2 hours before end of day and cast my final vote then. I expect to see useful dawn posts while waiting for people to convince me who is scum.
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It’s silly of me to answer my own q. Tho I’m happy to answer any qs you might have.
Okay.
If you were a mafia, and you could choose any person to NK, why would you choose moe?
If you could pick your own mafia team, who would you choose?
If you could choose your primary ability, would you choose Mafia or Town? Why?
I would pick you.
Not you.
Anything that’s not in the same faction as you.
Anyone else getting Sky vibes from this post?
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Lmao, people are actually voting w3? As hilarious as it would be to lynch him Day 1 when he wanted to play so badly, I don't think that's the right move. I change my vote to Espi, because lynching him Day 1 would also be hilarious and it might actually go through. Actually nevermind, we need to keep the talkative people alive. Let's lynch a quiet person, like JCJ. He said he'd be inactive, and the meme factor is high. Yeah, I vote for JCJ.
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Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
- Probably a safety kill, with no knowledge of how many docs are in the game, a lot of the high-profile suspects would be protected. Sub looked pretty scummy, so obviously a bad NK target, Shock could easily detriment his own game, and similar stuff can be said about others
- Probs Shock, because I'm curious to how he would play, w3, because after deadchat from last mafia I can tell that he's more than competent, and Ian, since he's super decent at the game, and I wouldn't mind playing with him at all
- They both have merits, mafia is more stressful than town since you're constantly worried of getting caught, but you have more information, so there is definitely an appeal there
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Lmao, people are actually voting w3? As hilarious as it would be to lynch him Day 1 when he wanted to play so badly, I don't think that's the right move. I change my vote to Espi, because lynching him Day 1 would also be hilarious and it might actually go through. Actually nevermind, we need to keep the talkative people alive. Let's lynch a quiet person, like JCJ. He said he'd be inactive, and the meme factor is high. Yeah, I vote for JCJ.
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
I'm pretty bad at early votes, but I want to break the tie. w3 is a soft lean town for me atm so I don't want to vote for him
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As for the 3 part question, I would throw for town if it meant next game I could be mafia because mafia rhymes with elbillug.
I would like to call out that Shock is currently breaking Rule 6 of General Mafia Rules.
"6. All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed."
He is intentionally encouraging a lynch on him to then reveal Town, just to prepare for his big debut when he actually rolls Mafia in a future game.
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As for the 3 part question, I would throw for town if it meant next game I could be mafia because mafia rhymes with elbillug.
I would like to call out that Shock is currently breaking Rule 6 of General Mafia Rules.
"6. All players' actions should be primarily motivated by winning the game. Throwing the game or outing your teammates for no strategic value is not allowed."
He is intentionally encouraging a lynch on him to then reveal Town, just to prepare for his big debut when he actually rolls Mafia in a future game.
I would like to translate for shock: " I don't have any reads."
Maybe he's breaking the rules but you hosted a game where shock played and he was much worse that game. I'm not trying to defend him but this is not a reason to quote this rule.
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Almost the entire post was sarcasm, yet you take that one line out of context and interpret it as a rule break?
elbillug reverses into gullible, if it was not obvious.
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Maybe he's breaking the rules but you hosted a game where shock played and he was much worse that game. I'm not trying to defend him but this is not a reason to quote this rule.
Yeah, I hosted a game where he also stated during the early phases that he would throw the game just to prepare for his big debut as a Mafia in a future game. It was only later when he started taking the game seriously.
This is not out of place though. A gamethrowing shock is definitely Town, but a very annoying one.
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This is not out of place though. A gamethrowing shock is definitely Town, but a very annoying one.
EBWOP: *This accusation is not out place
I did not mean that for shock's current playstyle.
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Sub sounds like the kind of cop that suspeds your driving license for driving 51 km/h in a 50 limit zone.
Anyway, stil deciding on my vote.
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Sub being Sub again, calm down bro, he's not breaking any rules.
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Lmao, people are actually voting w3? As hilarious as it would be to lynch him Day 1 when he wanted to play so badly, I don't think that's the right move. I change my vote to Espi, because lynching him Day 1 would also be hilarious and it might actually go through. Actually nevermind, we need to keep the talkative people alive. Let's lynch a quiet person, like JCJ. He said he'd be inactive, and the meme factor is high. Yeah, I vote for JCJ.
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
I'm pretty bad at early votes, but I want to break the tie. w3 is a soft lean town for me atm so I don't want to vote for him
You misread my post, I voted for JCJ. You breaking the tie here is very uncharacteristic of you, so I am actually changing my vote again.
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
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Oh my bad, I saw that you were voting Espi and changed my vote like that
Why is me breaking a tie uncharacteristic?
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Ok so I just realised that tied lynch means no lynch occurs, rather than a random lynch. Since I thought the choice was 66% unfavourable for what I believed, that's why I broke the tie
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
Back to protecting Graboid's identity
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I’m more or less unavailable until right before deadline. Please don’t voteshift/grill me when I can’t properly answer
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shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
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Back to protecting Graboid's identity
Need I remind you this mafia has no such role? It has been stated before, and reading all the roles will confirm this.
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Lmao that's based on a fluff post I made N0, which was based off how heavily I pushed for it the last couple of mafias, I'm aware that Graboid doesn't exist in this game, don't worry
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(https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/018/467/1355331549061.jpg)
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Did the orchestration already start or does it need to happen yet?
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Did the orchestration already start or does it need to happen yet?
Nahh this is shitposting in it's purest form
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Btw, Sub's attempt to shitpost is the cutest thing that's happened here in a while.
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Did the orchestration already start or does it need to happen yet?
Every vote is exactly where I want it.
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EBWOP: The dice have spoken. The following players are mafia: Calindu, Naii_the_Baf, MasterWalks, Submachine
Also sorry for previous double post. The forums are pretty laggy for me atm for some reason.
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
Why MW out of the 4 I rolled? I dunno.
If it gets close to deadline and there's any danger of there being no lynch, I'll hammer someone.
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shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
Him not answering the question after being pressured to do it many times is quite strange. You told us what to look for in the answers, it's not like we are completely clueless, now post your answer too.
I'll probably change my vote if you actually answer.
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Link, jcjs not playing fwiw. Though you were probs just joking.
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You guys really want the answers? Ugh, if it makes you think I’m town, here you go.
1. Kill moe cause he was the only one taking it seriously.
2. I’ll take vag link and kae as mafia.
3. Mafia ofc lol, it’s so much better.
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@www: Another thing that could have happened is that there was pressure on a mafia and you got votes to remove some pressure from him.
This is also why I still have my vote on dawn. It's only Day 1 though. The one strong read I have is a Townread on someone else.
I agree with www that not answering all questions is a slight town lean. However, all reads based on any RQS are super weak. Inactive people don't answer naturally, so that's not indicative of anything. If you say that you put your vote on anyone who doesn't answer, that also skews the reads. And if the questions are harmless to answer, then it's also not indicative of anything, because anyone will answer them if they have the time.
At least www promoted some activity and it's also his first game in a while, so I'll leave him be for now.
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Good, that wasn't so hard, was it? Now let's try to get the inactive players to be more communicative.
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
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shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Just because.
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shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Inactive gets my nutkick.
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Good, that wasn't so hard, was it? Now let's try to get the inactive players to be more communicative.
For added pressure.
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
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Honestly, I'm still not satisfied with w3. It took way too much effort to have him go along with his own plan (!) and explain himself.
Also, skimming several old threads I have yet to find any parallel to his questionnaire. if his intention was to draw parallels, shouldnt he make sure beforehand that at least one mafia has a questionnaire of the kind? Obv, I might just not have found it, in which case i wish to be pointed to the mafiagame in question.
Additionally, I found his reaction similiar to how it was when he was shaded this early in mafia 68, in which he turned out to actually belong to the faction he was accused of being part of (although things were a lot more explicitly stated and pushed then).
I'll also note that it is extra unlikely that both espi and w3 are mafia and if its one of them it looks to be w3 atm.
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Honestly, I'm still not satisfied with w3. It took way too much effort to have him go along with his own plan (!) and explain himself.
Also, skimming several old threads I have yet to find any parallel to his questionnaire. if his intention was to draw parallels, shouldnt he make sure beforehand that at least one mafia has a questionnaire of the kind? Obv, I might just not have found it, in which case i wish to be pointed to the mafiagame in question.
Additionally, I found his reaction similiar to how it was when he was shaded this early in mafia 68, in which he turned out to actually belong to the faction he was accused of being part of (although things were a lot more explicitly stated and pushed then).
I'll also note that it is extra unlikely that both espi and w3 are mafia and if its one of them it looks to be w3 atm.
I was hoping there would be mafs where this was asked as its a simple q. In a quick look, maf 50 it was asked in, I didn’t have time to look thru everything. Ah mafia 68. I was a cop then. And town lynched me. Great stuff, wasn’t it?
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@www: Another thing that could have happened is that there was pressure on a mafia and you got votes to remove some pressure from him.
With at most 2 votes on everyone? no way; additionally w3 got FoSed by 2 people who didnt even vote for him (one of them being me)
I agree with www that not answering all questions is a slight town lean Uh, how so?. However, all reads based on any RQS are super weak. Inactive people don't answer naturally, so that's not indicative of anything. If you say that you put your vote on anyone who doesn't answer, that also skews the reads. And if the questions are harmless to answer, then it's also not indicative of anything, because anyone will answer them if they have the time.
At least www promoted some activity and it's also his first game in a while, so I'll leave him be for now.
Sure it isn't much, but i think at the moment we can either get rid of some random deadweight that will be guaranteed to be town (if we're like 'I dont care which inactive gets hit so long as it narrows our Process of elimination' the mafia decides which inactive itll be in the end )(Narrowing the PoE is technically good and thus not necessarily terrible even if its always town, however its probably better to focus on one particular inactive and waver only if it's impossible to get them lynched or they actually respond, if we are going with that approach). or see whats up with w3 at the risk of just getting rid of an active town if I'm wrong here.
@w3 It wasnt cop btw, you were some other faction that would win over the other 2 factions if they guessed all secondaries in the game correctly and thus town would have to eliminate you at some point.
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@www: Another thing that could have happened is that there was pressure on a mafia and you got votes to remove some pressure from him.
With at most 2 votes on everyone? no way; additionally w3 got FoSed by 2 people who didnt even vote for him (one of them being me)
I agree with www that not answering all questions is a slight town lean Uh, how so?. However, all reads based on any RQS are super weak. Inactive people don't answer naturally, so that's not indicative of anything. If you say that you put your vote on anyone who doesn't answer, that also skews the reads. And if the questions are harmless to answer, then it's also not indicative of anything, because anyone will answer them if they have the time.
At least www promoted some activity and it's also his first game in a while, so I'll leave him be for now.
Sure it isn't much, but i think at the moment we can either get rid of some random deadweight that will be guaranteed to be town (if we're like 'I dont care which inactive gets hit so long as it narrows our Process of elimination' the mafia decides which inactive itll be in the end )(Narrowing the PoE is technically good and thus not necessarily terrible even if its always town, however its probably better to focus on one particular inactive and waver only if it's impossible to get them lynched or they actually respond, if we are going with that approach). or see whats up with w3 at the risk of just getting rid of an active town if I'm wrong here.
@w3 It wasnt cop btw, you were some other faction that would win over the other 2 factions if they guessed all secondaries in the game correctly and thus town would have to eliminate you at some point.
Yes and my role was cop. You need to read the whole mafia again because you clearly
Don’t get all of it.
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Also, town and the third party could both win at the same time that game, iirc. One of us had to survive till end and know the roles, town just had to kill mafia. So yh you wrong nub
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If mafia had the role officer would you let them live? Ofc not. Clearly you are misrepresenting things. All I wanted from you was to answer honestly and give town all of your thoughts, but you continue to trigger my suspicions unnecessarily and actively withhold your reasoning.
I dont think that was cleared up that way; at least town thought that whoever gets their wincon first would be the sole winning faction and thus getting rid of you wasnt a bad move, though asking a mod could have been appropriate.
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Rob and link, both town, expressed their unhappiness when I flipped.
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shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
Shock's not being anywhere near as troublesome as usual, and I find that highly disconcerting.
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EBWOP: Removed Linkcat's second vote
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
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I am worried about hitting a Town investigative role.
Shock said he has a weapon, which can mean a lot of things including our main 2 cop roles.
Www3 said we would regret if he got him, which can mean he also has a good role.
Sadly this can be true about anyone. We were lucky that Moe's ability was not particularly useful, but we can't be lucky forever.
The problem is, shock is probably Town and he sounds like he has a more useful role than dawn. But right now, if he's Town, he's intentionally not being useful.
I'm removing my vote from dawn, for now. I will probably place it on shock before the deadline if it will matter.
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
If we lynch shock and he's Town Gunsmith, I will be upset.
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Things I've decided I don't like:
- Shock claiming he has a weapon and being taken seriously despite the fact he's been outed as a wild liar last game
- Mobian throwing shade at me and then never following through with it
- Web's general existence
- Dawn and Link being wonky with each other
- Naii sorta posting but not really
- Link doing this:
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
How does dawn removing his vote make you want to remove your vote from Dawn?
- Insig not being stupid yet
- Web not explaining his Mobian vote
If I missed anything, do tell me. You know what I don't like more than I do, after all.
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Mobian was my scum read. Ffs are people not reading my posts or what
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If I missed anything, do tell me. You know what I don't like more than I do, after all.
Yes, I have one more shitpost to add to your list.
You know how shockcannon said he has guns? I think I found out what he meant by that.
(https://image.slidesharecdn.com/site-speed-ungagged-161114163726/95/15-ways-to-a-blisteringfast-web-site-37-638.jpg?cb=1479163302)
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Mobian was my scum read. Ffs are people not reading my posts or what
Okay.
Why?
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Mobian was my scum read. Ffs are people not reading my posts or what
Okay.
Why?
Idk I get the feeling. Obvs early days but I’m not gonna vote on someone who I don’t think is maf.
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Quoting www's relevant post here for convenience.
people who answered: link, torb, kae, sub, cal, anelle, oA, ian, espi, mob, vag, MW
not answered: dawn, shock, naii, insig.
This is just for my tally. Most of the mafia are probs in people who answered.
Ok, what i wanted to do was compare the answers to my last q to their answers in previous mafias( where this q was asked) and see if they were civ/maf then. I realise that takes a lot of time which i dont have.
All these reads to be taken with a pinch of salt.
MW torb and sub lean town.
espi vag mob lean mafia
link is hard to read, tho lening maf. just a gut.
rest ???
Espi and www are doing these compilations, which can be very time consuming. That's a slight townread from me on them. But it's Day 1 and www3 is one of the people I have a hard time to read, so it's a temporary townread. Same on Espi.
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1,5 hours left until deadline. I don't think people will come to the rescue of shock, therefore I doubt he has mafia buddies (or they just leave him be).
Latest tally:
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
The votes are spread, so it's harder to get reads on people. I'm just gonna create a tie and see how people break it.
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
I could have piled on Insig, but last time he checked the topic (Last Active: Today at 06:00:22 AM), he had no votes on him, so we would technically lynch him behind his back.
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is Dawn your strongest scumread? (On that list)
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is Dawn your strongest scumread? (On that list)
I can't tell. I have only neutrals and townreads in this list. Dawn is a neutral.
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So, for the grand summary of my current reads, in order of most to least posts:
Slightly town, and mostly because:
I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.
Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.
Combined with a lot of discussion.
I really did not like the plan and what followed, but I guess you do not need to be mafia to come up with such a plan. Probably.
Scum read. First, he goes full shitposting. Then, when people start pressuring him, he comes up with this post:
LOL here we go again. you wil regret killing me, if it comes to that. Theres no point in me answering those qs because those answers mean nothing to you. i know what i was looking for, you dont. If you have any of your own qs you wanna ask, go for it as i said.
Until finally giving an answer only to the most basic questions.
Combine this with:
There are legit benefits for mafia to have these questions answered.
w3 helped derail town with a discussion that benefits mafia, then does not follow it up with the conclusion that is supposed to help town.
And let us not forget about:
Its N0. can we stop posting so much? kthnx.
More posting/discussion = good.
Right now, w3 is not helpful to town at all.
Town. Generally helpful for town and non-controversial. He does not even have a single person trying to lynch him.
Neutral. Active in discussions, it's useful to have him around for an "interesting" perspective regardless of whether he is mafia. I cannot possibly think of him as town, as long as he is voting on the only person I can confirm as town to get lynched, however.
Slightly scummy. Shitposts everywhere, barely anything useful for town. One particular post is of interest:
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Just because.
Switching to dawn, causing a +2 majority on lynch count. This is really scummy to do for no reason, and will not be forgiven if dawn flips town. But this is Linkcat, so if dawn is mafia, he might actually have a really good reason for this, that he's not telling to protect his own identity.
Neutral. Funny posts, but nothing revealing or controversial.
Slightly scum. Generally unhelpful with a mancrush for shock.
What exactly can you plan to gain from pressuring shock with a vote? Intel? He aint going to give you intel lmao. Hes not useful until late game and he would just mindgame you and give you the run-around until you inevitably give up.
Town.
Neutral. Do not add much to discussions, generally agree or repeat what others say and do not stand out. They are all potential night kills if the pattern continues.
shock is just being shock. Cannot tell if his weapon claim is a lie, a feint (actually mafia) or armed town. Generally, being town and credibly claiming you have a weapon should put you higher or the mafia night kill list, since you have a higher chance to be officer.
Probably should not read too much in these early scumreads, I am just generally suspicious of people.
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Will tiebreak for dawn > shock if a tie needs to be broken.
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Mafia has no benefits to having those qs answered tho??
Having 15 pages on N0 when there’s no lynch or nk and hence nothing to go on doesn’t make sense. It’s just shitposting that means nothing.
Don’t make me dd of last mafia having to defend myself every round.
Don’t make it into a lynch between dawn and shock so soon, everyone is an option rn.
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dawn > shock
Sorry, I always get confused by this. Is that an inequality sign (target dawn) or an arrow (target shock)?
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dawn > shock
Sorry, I always get confused by this. Is that an inequality sign (target dawn) or an arrow (target shock)?
I'd favor lynching dawn over shock, since I'm curious about why Linkcat switched to dawn.
Mafia has no benefits to having those qs answered tho??
Having 15 pages on N0 when there’s no lynch or nk and hence nothing to go on doesn’t make sense. It’s just shitposting that means nothing.
Don’t make me dd of last mafia having to defend myself every round.
Don’t make it into a lynch between dawn and shock so soon, everyone is an option rn.
While you were shitposting, some other people were having actually useful discussions about whether or not to make noise, and how to use and claim roles.
I would not prefer lynching either, but both over no lynch. Just stating that if I switch last minute, it is to break a tie, and that with the current tie, that is how I would break it. I am not trying to imply that will be the only option by the end of the day, just the current.
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The whole post wasn’t for you^^ it was in general
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is Dawn your strongest scumread? (On that list)
I can't tell. I have only neutrals and townreads in this list. Dawn is a neutral.
Anyone who you’re reading even slightly as scum? Or is it just neutrals and slightly town rn for you?
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Right now, w3 is not helpful to town at all.
Do not conflate "town helpfulness" with "being town."
The goal of the mafia is to blend in. That means that they actively want to be helpful to the town.
In fact, this is my overall strategy as a scum: Be so helpful that you would never possibly want to lynch me. <3
Although, this is day 1. "You're not helpful" lynches are valid this early as we don't have good reads. However, they rapidly lose their worth, very quickly.
I think www3 is town, due to how frazzled he is at this moment in time. The general rule of thumb is that mafia like to hold back and play the field, while town has convictions. Even though they're retardedly weak and he refuses to elaborate on them, he does have conviction.
I don't think mafia would be this willfully obtuse, but I won't be sad to see him gone.
I'm going to calculate some odds with Shock in a bit. Please give me a moment.
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Someone move my vote to dawn
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shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Why, ian?
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Espi vote w me, let’s not just have a 2 way ^^
23 mins left btw everyone
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Espi vote w me, let’s not just have a 2 way ^^
23 mins left btw everyone
Explain to me why Mobian is scum with your big boy words and I'll consider it.
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cause the rest are more likely to be town^^^
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(I hate giving reasoning this early cause mafia can just adapt their following posts accordingly and try look town)
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Imo killing dawn for being inactive isnt the best choice. Slowrolling seems to be how he generally does things and there are other inactives that i dont expect to get more active over time. look at his constant chirping last time and he was town and decided to be somewhat usefull later on. Also the pressure really has grown on him for no discernable reason over other inactives.
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There’s 15 mins left and you haven’t even voted yet kae, wat ya waiting for
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(I hate giving reasoning this early cause mafia can just adapt their following posts accordingly and try look town)
So, it's because you have no reason.
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
May change to shock if I get to do my calculation in time.
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:facepalm:
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Link save me from these nubs
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Move my vote over to shock, please
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shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Well, you asked for it.
In other news I realized that dawn isnt inactive at all, looking at his posts hes being voted for breaking a tie?
May change to shock if I get to do my calculation in time.
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Getting really ticked off at these tits not explaining their votes.
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EBWOP:
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Well, you asked for it.
In other news I realized that dawn isnt inactive at all, looking at his posts hes being voted for breaking a tie?
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(I hate giving reasoning this early cause mafia can just adapt their following posts accordingly and try look town)
That's good though, because you challenge them to adapt and give them the chance to slip.
Imo killing dawn for being inactive isnt the best choice. Slowrolling seems to be how he generally does things and there are other inactives that i dont expect to get more active over time. look at his constant chirping last time and he was town and decided to be somewhat usefull later on. Also the pressure really has grown on him for no discernable reason over other inactives.
Imo killing any of these people isn't the best choice, but we will avoid a No Lynch and I don't know where to switch if it's not dawn.
Anyone who you’re reading even slightly as scum? Or is it just neutrals and slightly town rn for you?
My scum-o-meter buzzed a bit on two people, but I need to look back what my reasoning was. Right now, those two people are neutral again, so it was probably nothing. >_>
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shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
I don’t believe shock to be mafia, but I need to save myself because town are stupid.
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Moving vote to w3, I'm sick of his bs.
Dawn vote was the hammer I was talking about earlier
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shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Correct lynch count.
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If I am killed, don’t go lynching shock or dawn, both are probs town too. Go for mob espi vag link cal. Kthnx
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Btw we can’t extend the voting phase for more than 30 mins so we got 35 mins if we keep voting max.
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Question:
Someone has a gun. What are the odds of them being Mafia?
Hastily Scribbled Answer:
| Gunsmith |
- Check (EoR): Target a player. You learn whether they carry a weapon. Players with weapons are Whisperers, all investigative roles, Vigilants and Policemen who haven't lost their abilities yet.
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First off, how many roles give you weapons?
The Gunsmith, the Officer, the Agent, the Paranormal Scientist, Vigilante, and Policeman. Six roles.
There are 18 players and 17 roles. Ginyu has told us this mafia's role distribution:
All roles are sent out!
There are 14 Civilians and 4 Whisperers.
There is exactly one Officer who is a Civilian. Any other secondary role might appear once, multiple times, or not at all.
Meaning there are 4 Mafia and 1 armed Civilian guaranteed, making the odds a maximum of 80%. This is the case in the unlikely scenario that there are no other armed roles.
For the other unknown roles, what is the possibility of being an armed role?
The chance of a role being an Armed role is 5/17, or ~30%. (There is exactly one officer.) This means that we can expect to see around 1 armed role for every three roles, or 5-6 armed roles.
Assume there is one other armed role. It can go to the mafia, or to the civilians.
There are 13 unknown civilian roles, and 4 unknown mafia roles.
The chance of this role going to the mafia becomes 4/17, or about 23%. If this happens, the probability of being scum does not decrease. As there are an average of 6ish armed roles, we're looking at likely at least one going to the mafia.
So, in the most average state, we are looking at 4 whisperers, 1.25ish of which has an armed role. Also an officer, and 4-5 civilian arms.
It hovers around a 50% chance of being mafia. This degenerates into 4/9 - slightly unfavoured - or 4/8 - equal - in an average game.
If I am killed, don’t go lynching shock or dawn, both are probs town too. Go for mob espi vag link cal. Kthnx
OH MY GOD YOU SUCK
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Imo killing any of these people isn't the best choice, but we will avoid a No Lynch and I don't know where to switch if it's not dawn.
But I have a really bad feeling about lynching www right now. NOW I feel like only Town is on the lynchboard right now. >__< If I have to choose, I'll lynch shock over www. At least shock had it coming for intentionally being silent.
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
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100% chance we lynch town today. Gotta love the must lynch mentality. Also Annele only voting to pressure right now.
@Annele
Be my friend and I'll forgive you for failing to meet my request during War.
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You know we could vote other people and not just keep piling up on me and www3 to avoid no lynch. Just saying.
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You know we could vote other people and not just keep piling up on me and www3 to avoid no lynch. Just saying.
Name 'em! :D
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I really wanted a mob lynch but people don’t wanna follow. I said don’t make it a two way :facepalm:
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shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Please don't lynch.
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no point in voting people that wont get lynched at this point, 2 wagons are ideal for vote count analysis later on
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Shock has a higher chance of being mafia than everyone else purely statistically assuming he's telling the truth.
I actually really don't like how both ian and Kae YEETED onto that www3 wagon immediately.
I really wanted a mob lynch but people don’t wanna follow. I said don’t make it a two way :facepalm:
Did you know not giving reasons to lynch people makes them not give a fuck?
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We can easily get someone else lynched. Sub me shock espi are all not happy w current lynch options much.
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shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Please don't lynch.
I know you legitimately believe this, but lynching town is actually better than deliberately no lynching, as it gives us clues where the mafia is
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Shock has a higher chance of being mafia than everyone else purely statistically assuming he's telling the truth.
I actually really don't like how both ian and Kae YEETED onto that www3 wagon immediately.
I really wanted a mob lynch but people don’t wanna follow. I said don’t make it a two way :facepalm:
Did you know not giving reasons to lynch people makes them not give a fuck?
Lynching one of the most active people this early is also not a great reason ngl
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shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
we are lynching
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You idiots. I'm officer. Whatever, lynch me. I'll put the hammer.
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
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Shock has a higher chance of being mafia than everyone else purely statistically assuming he's telling the truth.
I actually really don't like how both ian and Kae YEETED onto that www3 wagon immediately.
I really wanted a mob lynch but people don’t wanna follow. I said don’t make it a two way :facepalm:
Did you know not giving reasons to lynch people makes them not give a fuck?
Lynching one of the most active people this early is also not a great reason ngl
Lynching you for being a bit of a shit, wilfully obtuse?
Not a good reason.
Lynching someone on a unsubstantiated hunch?
Even worse a reason!
Use your big boy words, www3.
Why should we lynch Mobian?
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Mobian is not playing his usual aggressive angry at shitty town game.
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shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
It actually does make sense, the way shock is playing, he's either a power role, or mafia.
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By the way, two people voting on me have not been online in a while and only voted on me to put pressure for being quiet. Well I've talked now. But nice last minute/deadline push. Good stuff.
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shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
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Is that a vote reset from shock?
Did shock claim Officer?
What is going on?
Why is there always a new reply AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Mobian is not playing his usual aggressive angry at shitty town game.
True. I've gotten over it, and in a less stressful personal space now too. Last couple games were happening during a pretty rough time for me personally.
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I’m not claiming just now cause haunt.
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Mobian is not playing his usual aggressive angry at shitty town game.
HMMMPH!
OOOOH YES!
HIT ME WITH THAT ARGUMENTATION DADDY WEB!
YOU'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT! MOBIAN ISN'T ALLOW-
Mobian is not playing his usual aggressive angry at shitty town game.
True. I've gotten over it, and in a less stressful personal space now too. Last couple games were happening during a pretty rough time for me personally.
...Oh.
You're still right, though. I'll go harass him next day, hm?
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shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
damn, shockcannon might lie regardless of alignement here, but w3 is my bigger scumread, i suppose with shock "exposed" we should ask his findings?
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Ffs. Can we not all switch to a third option were all pnline
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Screw it. Let's go back to dawn.
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
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Screw it. Let's go back to dawn.
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
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dawn is likely asleep right now and I heavily disagree on making a bandwagon on him right now
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Screw it. Let's go back to dawn.
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
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dawn is likely asleep right now and I heavily disagree on making a bandwagon on him right now
All the this, and I really don't see him as scummy.
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damn, shockcannon might lie regardless of alignement here, but w3 is my bigger scumread, i suppose with shock "exposed" we should ask his findings?
Oh, right. I forgot about that.
Please tell us who you targeted and give him like 3 roles to hide his real one. Haunt is no joke.
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If we’re gonna not lynch shock cause of officer (even tho there’s a high chance he’s just lying to save himself), we need to lynch someone else I guess(who is not me q.q)
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Wait, WHY were you intentionally not posting so far, shock?
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Not inclined to trust Shock. He has a history of fakeclaims.
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Screw it. Let's go back to dawn.
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
someone reset soon yh, 2 mins more otherwise before you lynch a town.
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On mobile do kinda hard to keep up. Move my vote to dawn.
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shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, Shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
Removing my vote. I need time to think.
We may be right in no-lynching here.
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shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
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current tally ^
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Whoops, mb
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Now that I think about this, let's keep shock alive for now and wait for a counterclaim around Night 4. Does that not make sense? I am having rushed thoughts.
I'm gonna keep my vote on dawn, because heckaroni schmeckaroni.
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Can we no lynch?
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Can we no lynch?
Most will oppose probs
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Wait, is a No Lynch seriously getting considered? :o I doubt you could get more than 4 people on that wagon, but 4 is possible.
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Can we no lynch?
It has been beaten into my head that no lynch is never a good town play, so it's unlikely.
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Didn't we literally agree on not bandwagoning one who's afk at lynchtime last game?
Also no lynch will not happen.
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Actually ironically shockcannon advocating no lynch implies towniness for him, however backwards that might be
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shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
vote reset
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Move my vote to no lynch
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You can tie lynch = no lynch
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Wait, is a No Lynch seriously getting considered? :o I doubt you could get more than 4 people on that wagon, but 4 is possible.
I need to factcheck my maths with Shock.
So much of a nuclear explosion has already happened.
I need more time to think through the options here. I feel like we're going to get scum D2 regardless of if we lynch today or not.
I don't like Kae's actions here.
I want more time to think. More time than I have.
Didn't we literally agree on not bandwagoning one who's afk at lynchtime last game?
Yes, we did! Dawn aiiin't dying today!
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The only wagon I will agree on lynching here is w3, reasons given earlier why dawn and shock are not viable rn
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shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
Move my vote to no lynch
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AT LEAST don't make this an RNG-fest about who manages to hammer the closest to xx:30
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Someone’s going to break the tie.
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shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
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This is a Day 1 lynch. We don't know anything, so if we want a lynch, we should go for a non-townread person who has the worse role.
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Wait, is a No Lynch seriously getting considered? :o I doubt you could get more than 4 people on that wagon, but 4 is possible.
I need to factcheck my maths with Shock.
So much of a nuclear explosion has already happened.
I need more time to think through the options here. I feel like we're going to get scum D2 regardless of if we lynch today or not.
I don't like Kae's actions here.
I want more time to think. More time than I have.
Didn't we literally agree on not bandwagoning one who's afk at lynchtime last game?
Yes, we did! Dawn aiiin't dying today!
Agreed on kae bit. You are acc movint to town now.
Pay attention to kae mob cal vag link next phase.
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shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
I find the other options horrible if we count that dawn is not getting voted on.
And what do you mean kae that we're doing this behind his back? He was top vote for almost half a day and he saw it.
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shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shock had better be officer...
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Can we agree on one thing, yeah?
We need to severely punish all the votes happening at the end of the day.
This level of chaos and inability to deliberate only benefits the mafia.
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
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shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Not a fan of no lynch, I'm sorry w3
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We need to severely punish all the votes happening at the end of the day.
This level of chaos and inability to deliberate only benefits the mafia.
QFT.
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Vagbuddy, come and join our No Lynch wagon. I see you in chat. :silly:
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shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Not a fan of no lynch, I'm sorry w3
isnt it better to no lynch then lynch your town read?
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vaggy, save me bro <3
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shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Not a fan of no lynch, I'm sorry w3
isnt it better to no lynch then lynch your town read?
Not entirely a town read though. More that shock seems a bit more scummy to me
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it's a tie , you're saved
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shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Not a fan of no lynch, I'm sorry w3
isnt it better to no lynch then lynch your town read?
The reason why you should always lynch is because it's the town's best, and only reliable way of gathering information.
With this current gamestate, that's just not true.
it's a tie , you're saved
Someone's gonna break it at the last second. If you want a no lynch, do it.
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vag somoen will break it so halp
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TIME ON THE ROUND
HELLO GINYU
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Ginyu, put your vote on No Lynch.~
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phew phew. now we need to discuss this properly. and not try rush another lynch at the end of day phase.
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shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
I find it interesting that all those who preached against No Lynch are now willing to. I stand against it.
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I'm gonna have to reread the reasons given for d2d lynch. Damn, that was a disaster.
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vag somoen will break it so halp
I did save you you butthole.I really wanted a lynch but didn't want you dead.
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vag somoen will break it so halp
I did save you you butthole.I really wanted a lynch but didn't want you dead.
woooo
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My vote was active with 21 seconds on the clock
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also shock i think i take back that you should state your target, we need to discuss this in detail
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That's a time reset though. He was just a few seconds in time to reset.
Mobian didn't edit the numbers, www has now 6 votes.
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My vote was active with 21 seconds on the clock
Read rules, timer ends after 30 mins of original phase ending, no clock exists after
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"In any way, 30 minutes past the regular deadline will always be final." fwiw, so it ended at :30 i believe.
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I asked Ginyu about the official ruling, just in case it's still going.
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Still shocked from the happenings the last night, most of them just stayed home today. They all just hope to find answers this night.
There was no lynch.
Night 1 started. There is no time left!
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Okay.
Preparing megapost explaining why I, a pretty staunch advocate of always lynching, decided to no-lynch here.
Just because Mobian and Oa and others are against this, does not necessarily mean they are scum. Always lynching is simply standard town procedure. I also highly suspect at least one of the no-lynchers are mafia.
TL;DR:
- Someone fucking calculate the odds of Shock being mafia based on armed roles
- Lynching is the best and most reliable way of gathering information. I feel like we have a fuckton of information right now. Kae, get onto it if you wanna do it.
- WE NEED TO PUT A FUCKING STOP TO THESE LAST-SECTION EXPLOSIONS OF ACTIVITY.
Seriously. Stop.
This is how the mafia win. I know this because I was one. :^)
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yh, ill do the lynchlog within the next 2 hours, just feeling a bit mopy and there were a few inaccurate tallies that'll have to fix (ironically im guilty myself there)
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OPTIONS!
1a. Shock finishes observing his Night 0 target.
1b. Shock uses Raid on someone completely different.
2a. Doctor protects him. Next Night he dies. Safe, but only clears 1 person.
2b. We just SUGGEST that the Doctor protects him, but the Doctor miiight not protect him this Night. Then shock uses Raid next Night while he is ACTUALLY protected.
Second is risky, but doubles our net gain. It introduces an uncertainty for Mafia. They risk wasting a Nightkill if he is actually protected this Night.
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lets not forget that paranoid doctor doesnt have a restriction on his nightkill protection, giving us 2 days if we play it safe, provided we have both (do not claim!)
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docs and all should know what to do. lets not tell them what to do, cause then we're just telling mafia what we're doing. People playing are smart, let them handle roles on their own, especially in this case.
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Let's also not forget that Mafia will use roles tonight. If they have an Agent, they might identify the Doctor. If they have a Warden, Policeman, Mech Engineer, Drug Dealer, etc, they can also interfere at the cost of hinting what roles we should hunt for.
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But at least we should notify the Paranoid Doctor if shock plans to Raid, otherwise the Doctor can kill shock.
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paranoid doctor only kills other people targeting shock and only if they make noise iirc
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And we should also agree on if the Officer is not shock whether he should counterclaim now or later. I think later is the better option, when he searched at least 3 people. If he dies by that time, we will know it's not shock.
paranoid doctor only kills other people targeting shock and only if they make noise iirc
But if noone targets shock and shock uses Raid, shock makes noise and shock dies. Or is that Mech Engineer?
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Can't believe you guys got talked into no-lynch by shock and w3. Laughable.
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later obviously.
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Can't believe you guys got talked into no-lynch by shock and w3. Laughable.
weird thing is me and shock both went for no lynch, when shock and i both had opportunites to lynch the other.
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You guys are taking a lot on faith. I heavily doubt shock's the officer.
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mech engineer roleblocks upon trigger if shock makes an action (and makes shock make noise anyway)
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Considering shocks initial post, his target was likely kaempfer13.
Can we no lynch?
It has been beaten into my head that no lynch is never a good town play, so it's unlikely.
That is what I had been hearing, so I dared not advocate for it, but... honestly? My best scum read was w3 just being his usual self, which is not much to go on. Just because it is protocol, does not mean I actually believe it to be the right move.
OPTIONS!
1a. Shock finishes observing his Night 0 target.
1b. Shock uses Raid on someone completely different.
2a. Doctor protects him. Next Night he dies. Safe, but only clears 1 person.
2b. We just SUGGEST that the Doctor protects him, but the Doctor miiight not protect him this Night. Then shock uses Raid next Night while he is ACTUALLY protected.
Second is risky, but doubles our net gain. It introduces an uncertainty for Mafia. They risk wasting a Nightkill if he is actually protected this Night.
Guard appears to be the easiest way for mafia to interrupt shock, and cannot be blocked directly. It will even open him up for a nightkill since he cannot be targeted by other abilities, and protective abilities are lower priority.
@Ginyu
For Haunt I would like clarification: it mentions up to two, is it not exactly two targets?
Furthermore, is mafia allowed to target one of their own members to get a guaranteed second confirm?
The latter would mean shock could be permanently blocked by haunt even this night.
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Didn't we literally agree on not bandwagoning one who's afk at lynchtime last game?
Yes, we did! Dawn aiiin't dying today!
Here's a thing that's been bugging me. Dawn was not afk 1 hour before the deadline, at which point he saw that he was top lynch. That's not even behind his back. That's why I don't like the reasoning given against voting him.
Poops, I forgot about Haunt.
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lets make this night phase useful and acc talk about potential lynches for next day phase instead of waiting until the last hour of day phase and rushing.
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Ok TORB said i was unhelpful with a mancrush on shock. Shock is str8 ballin so i wont deny the mancrush but I cant really be more helpful at this moment.
Here is all the info i can give aside from a role claim.
I did not use my ability N0, i wanted to have a good target first. I used it tonight.
As for reads, I dont have much. Sub and w3 stand out as the most scummy. Espi and Linkcat are naturally scummy. kaempfer seems off compared to previous games but i think you can attribute that to him being more comfortable with mafia since this is his second game. I cant say i have a scum read on TORB or ian but i think they are worth watching closely. They seem active enough yet not too controversial. they could pass as mafia but i wouldnt put money on it. Shock and insig are acting normal but also worth watching. Nobody else has really stood out to me.
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Wait, Haunt makes noise. We are saved. Refer back to the OPTIONS (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291912/#msg1291912) I posted.
I feel like we deserve an explanation from shock why he haven't been active so far.
Anyway, with the options I presented, we got a chance that Mafia might not go for Shock tonight. In that case, I think PlayerOa would be their next target under normal circumstances.
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Ok TORB said i was unhelpful with a mancrush on shock. Shock is str8 ballin so i wont deny the mancrush but I cant really be more helpful at this moment.
Here is all the info i can give aside from a role claim.
I did not use my ability N0, i wanted to have a good target first. I used it tonight.
As for reads, I dont have much. Sub and w3 stand out as the most scummy. Espi and Linkcat are naturally scummy. kaempfer seems off compared to previous games but i think you can attribute that to him being more comfortable with mafia since this is his second game. I cant say i have a scum read on TORB or ian but i think they are worth watching closely. They seem active enough yet not too controversial. they could pass as mafia but i wouldnt put money on it. Shock and insig are acting normal but also worth watching. Nobody else has really stood out to me.
You literally listed all the high active ones as scums...
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@mafia
I hope you know I'm smiling wide thinking about y'all discussing me right now. Others are trying to analyze what the best play tonight is. Or they expect a wild night with unease/expectancy for what's to come. But we both know what's going to happen. Sleep tight, wouldn't want to get caught sneaking around at night. And don't try to out mind gate me. Last game's erratic behavior was simply prep work.
@town
Don't read into my conversations with the mafia. Let us have our fun. ;)
Also I really planned on just staying quiet this game and not giving mafia an easy scapegoat, like how RootRanger played out last game. But it appears you're addicted to me talking and threaten to lynch me if I don't. Ironic how I'm always told not to role claim or info dump, yet doing so was necessary to save my life this game. Ironic indeed. Or is it mafia orchestration? Also please stop tunneling me. It's only day 1. Tunneling me is more of a distraction than I am. For reals, don't forget about RootRanger last game. Literally the highest town read for like half of you last game, and guess what, he played all of you. Don't get played. MW gets played. kaempf got lowkey played last game. ddevans got played last game. Don't get played.
I talked today because we stupidly ran the last minute timer marathon thingy. For the future, I'm talking when I want to talk. Lynch threats mean nothing to me. I'll take my info to the grave if I feel like it's too early to share. I am serious about this. If you want to spite kill me for it, go ahead. See if I waver. Think I sound "scummy?" Great. A town that doesn't sound scummy is the scummiest of them all.
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I did not use my ability N0, i wanted to have a good target first. I used it tonight.
I feel it important to point out that he is not tunneling me because he used a role on me. A tunneling from MW indicated actual proof last time.
Unless he's trying to feed false information to Mafia, which would be clever, but then your tunneling will only be relevant if your role is revealed.
If you plan to shoot or strangle me tonight, go for it, but then agree to admit making a bad move if I flip Town. That's all I can do in this matter.
I am going to try one thing though. @MasterWalks: Can you imagine a scenario where I am Town now or is that not possible in the current situation? Would you be willing to drop your suspicion later if evidence or my actions warrant it?
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lol, i didnt target you
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Oh. But I thank you, because you made me think of something.
Drug Dealers should give silencing pills to shock, just in case a Mech Engineer would try to interfere.
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ok serious question. Why is everyone eyeballing and building strategies around shock? From what ive seen, he's only posted a handful of times and about all of them were shit posts. Is it because of his track record with mafia? Genuinely confused here.
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ok serious question. Why is everyone eyeballing and building strategies around shock? From what ive seen, he's only posted a handful of times and about all of them were shit posts. Is it because of his track record with mafia? Genuinely confused here.
shock roleclaimed officer
You idiots. I'm officer. Whatever, lynch me. I'll put the hammer.
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, Shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
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Honestly i think the no-lynch train is squeakyclean, at most w3 and espithel are mafia imo and they look a lot better to me now. (its hard to lynch someone claiming officer, although mafia would be aware of it too)
This voting phase went awfully and i might be part of the problem.
Sorry :-[
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did I say and? I noted before that at most one of them can be mafia in the first place.
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panic votes are much more likely to come from town btw
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Okay.
Let's do this in chunks.
Chunk 1: Why do we always lynch? Why didn't we lynch?
This one's mainly for Torb/Mobian.
The reason why we always lynch is very simple:
Lynching is the primary tool the town has of gathering information.
If we don't lynch, what the mafia does is they nightkill someone who we don't pay attention to - a 0-Information NK.
This means we have pretty much as much information to begin with as the previous day, and so the cycle begins.
Eventually, we have to lynch. It's better to start early because the mafia has less control over us that way, because the town is dictating the conversation.
...Did you catch it?
Plenty of shit has happened today!
We have:
-The odds of Shockcannon being mafia/officer/telling the truth to figure out
-So much going on in terms of Dawn, Shock, and www3's voting trains
-The rampant last-minute pressure that has to be stopped and looked into
-www3 existing
A lynch will happen D2, and it'll likely be based on D1, and I feel confident we'll get a scum. No no-lynch loop is happening, because we have all this information to unpack.
I want to stress that the circumstances where no-lynching is okay are freak - This is the first time I'd consider it in ages, and even this is arguably the incorrect play. This is not something I would normally do.
Which brings us naturally to:
Chunk 2: Deadline Voting
We need to establish some form of law or system that removes all of this last-second voting from the game.
In the last mafia, one of the best ways to let the town eat themselves was to not really contribute much, and then wait for the clock to run out, and then have so many major decisions of that day happen at that point.
It removes the town's ability to rationally think through their decisions, and the "we have to lynch" mentality, while true, massively compounds this problem.
In addition, it's not fair to people who aren't around during deadline.
How would Linkcat have reacted to this?
What about Dawn?
What about Naii?
Their contribution to what happened has been silenced, because they weren't here. This strategy has been demonstrated not to work in the past mafia. Why are we still doing it?
Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
Asking the entire town.
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@Friendly Neighbor
I’ll be waiting.
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I think it's pointless to calculate the odds of shock being Officer. Even if he only has 5% chance to be Officer, there is a chance he is the Officer. It is in our best interest to just wait, because either
- Shock is Nightkilled and is confirmed to be Officer.
- The real Officer is Nightkilled, in which case it will be obvious to lynch Shock.
- Neither Shock nor the real Officer die, but then we let the Officer do his thing until the end of the game.
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I think it's pointless to calculate the odds of shock being Officer. Even if he only has 5% chance to be Officer, there is a chance he is the Officer. It is in our best interest to just wait, because either
- Shock is Nightkilled and is confirmed to be Officer.
- The real Officer is Nightkilled, in which case it will be obvious to lynch Shock.
- Neither Shock nor the real Officer die, but then we let the Officer do his thing until the end of the game.
According to my hastily scrawn notes, assuming he's telling the truth (I don't think he is), he has a 50% chance of being Mafia, give or take.
That makes him statistically waaaay more likely to be scum than anyone else here.
But, you're right. There's a chance he's the officer. How much risk are you willing to accept?
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Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
Asking the entire town.
There were several reasons for this to happen, I will start with my own reason for voting late: hoping for a concrete scum read before the end of the day. I imagine many town were. Yet, when it gets down to it, expecting any concrete scum reads D1 was likely more than a little naive. As long as votes are spread out, they hold little meaning. This includes your lone vote for me: if more people voted for me and stated what kind of information you would want from me, I could comply. Spread out votes make no impact: focus them bright and early.
But here is the thing, what about people that are not very active? We want them to be more active, we pressure them with lynch votes to speak up. But when they actually speak up, I personally switched targets. So the question is: at what point does one switch to what kind of target? If inactives know you will switch after a set time, they could just choose to wait it out.
@Friendly Neighbor
I’ll be waiting.
Is it not possible for Friendly Neighbor, to actually be a not so friendly mafia? Just something to keep in mind.
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But, you're right. There's a chance he's the officer. How much risk are you willing to accept?
I would let him "fakely" identify at least 2 people and test his noise-making skills by a Raid. If he is Town, he would still do it, but not fakely.
I actually hope that shock is lying, because if he had just acted his normal self, he would have been fine for at least Day 3. That now we are in this situation is his fault.
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Okay.
Let's do this in chunks.
Chunk 1: Why do we always lynch? Why didn't we lynch?
This one's mainly for Torb/Mobian.
The reason why we always lynch is very simple:
Lynching is the primary tool the town has of gathering information.
If we don't lynch, what the mafia does is they nightkill someone who we don't pay attention to - a 0-Information NK.
This means we have pretty much as much information to begin with as the previous day, and so the cycle begins.
Eventually, we have to lynch. It's better to start early because the mafia has less control over us that way, because the town is dictating the conversation.
...Did you catch it?
Plenty of shit has happened today!
We have:
-The odds of Shockcannon being mafia/officer/telling the truth to figure out
-So much going on in terms of Dawn, Shock, and www3's voting trains
-The rampant last-minute pressure that has to be stopped and looked into
-www3 existing
A lynch will happen D2, and it'll likely be based on D1, and I feel confident we'll get a scum. No no-lynch loop is happening, because we have all this information to unpack.
I want to stress that the circumstances where no-lynching is okay are freak - This is the first time I'd consider it in ages, and even this is arguably the incorrect play. This is not something I would normally do.
Which brings us naturally to:
Chunk 2: Deadline Voting
We need to establish some form of law or system that removes all of this last-second voting from the game.
In the last mafia, one of the best ways to let the town eat themselves was to not really contribute much, and then wait for the clock to run out, and then have so many major decisions of that day happen at that point.
It removes the town's ability to rationally think through their decisions, and the "we have to lynch" mentality, while true, massively compounds this problem.
In addition, it's not fair to people who aren't around during deadline.
How would Linkcat have reacted to this?
What about Dawn?
What about Naii?
Their contribution to what happened has been silenced, because they weren't here. This strategy has been demonstrated not to work in the past mafia. Why are we still doing it?
Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
Asking the entire town.
He saw him being primary lynch target tho and was active, just didnt post much (acc to sub)
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He saw him being primary lynch target tho and was active, just didnt post much (acc to sub)
I confirm that I said that and it still bugs me (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291925/#msg1291925). I have a new possible theory.
Dawn could have been Mafia. He could have trusted another Mafia to be there during the deadline and attempt to control the situation. In that case, it was orchestration all over again.
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I'm not super fixated on lynching dawn. I am currently fixated on the people who use this poopy defense for dawn.
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In addition, it's not fair to people who aren't around during deadline.
How would Linkcat have reacted to this?
What about Dawn?
What about Naii?
He saw him being primary lynch target tho and was active, just didnt post much (acc to sub)
Alright, alright.
The point remains.
What about Annele?
What about Insig.
Oa didn't think he could make it, and it's good he did. What about him?
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yhhh ofc im against the frantic last minute lynching and doing nothing during the day ^^
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I'm not super fixated on lynching dawn. I am currently fixated on the people who use this poopy defense for dawn.
Only relevant if dawn is actually mafia, but yh if he deliberately missed EoD he and other people that protected him are suspicious.
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Im aware that that includes me obv
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also i still dont understand what got people on dawn in the first place.
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Half placeholder half "speak-up" vote, dunno if gut feeling is an allowed argument but a slight even so
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also i still dont understand what got people on dawn in the first place.
From the four popular targets, we didn't want to lynch Insig behind his back and I assumed dawn has the least useful role from the other three. I also wanted to avoid lynching www, so I was okay to lynch Shock. Then after shock claimed Officer, dawn became the best option again.
I dunno about the others.
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also i still dont understand what got people on dawn in the first place.
From the four popular targets, we didn't want to lynch Insig behind his back and I assumed dawn has the least useful role from the other three. I also wanted to avoid lynching www, so I was okay to lynch Shock. Then after shock claimed Officer, dawn became the best option again.
I dunno about the others.
Let us not forgot how dawn got to be a popular target to begin with:
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Just because.
It started long before the deadline chaos.
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people voted on dawn due to inactivity. Dawn isnt conf town, anyone who voted on him isnt sus just because they voted dawn. Link's vote on dawn is more interesting, but its link. i wouldnt read too much into it. (tho i do have sus on link cause gut)
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people voted on dawn due to inactivity. Dawn isnt conf town, anyone who voted on him isnt sus just because they voted dawn. Link's vote on dawn is more interesting, but its link. i wouldnt read too much into it. (tho i do have sus on link cause gut)
sub was actually shading people who defended dawn. personally I think its pretty NAI, even lean town if dawn is not mafia. we would not have gotten any info out of dawn if we lynched him tonight.
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people voted on dawn due to inactivity. Dawn isnt conf town, anyone who voted on him isnt sus just because they voted dawn. Link's vote on dawn is more interesting, but its link. i wouldnt read too much into it. (tho i do have sus on link cause gut)
sub was actually shading people who defended dawn. personally I think its pretty NAI, even lean town if dawn is not mafia. we would not have gotten any info out of dawn if we lynched him tonight.
Subs hardly being too aggro on it, just sharing what he feels. Defending dawn on inactivity didn’t sit right w him and that’s fair enough.
Well, except dawn it was me or shock. A potential officer or a conf town (imo). Ofc dawn seems the best lynch in that scenario, if a lynch is to take place. Subs right in having sus about people defending dawn on bad reasoning. He’s not making a massive deal and saying that people who defended him are defo maf, just a slight sus. I have no idea why you’re going hard on sub for that lmao.
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fwiw, Dawn is an inferior lynch to www3/Shock and I genuinely thought he was afk as, y'know. He's australian and it was 6PM British time.
Kill him if you want.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/43c8fbf4544bfa8c5dd8e44955e249d2/tenor.gif?itemid=10780869)
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I’ll point out that I don’t support a dawn lynch either because I’m not reading him as maf, I was clarifying what sub meant and pointing out that kae was reading way too much into it
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I assume if shock is NK'ed and confirmed officer then Grave Robber/Undertaker should target him, preferably Grave Robber.
What do we do if shock lives? I'm not all trust, so I really can't count on that shock is telling the truth.
This might have been discussed before, I've read almost everything but not all of it. Or I might have missed something. Fill me in if this has been discussed.
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Well that was a lot to wake up to. I don't really like the no-lynch, but with all the chaos voting right at the end it was probably better than panic-lynching someone? Then again, first day lynches are always somewhat random so lynching someone just to lynch often seems like the only option.
If I had been awake, I don't know if I'd have changed my vote or not - as I said, I don't think w3 is necessarily mafia but my vote on shock was just initially inactivity. With shock claiming officer it's probably good to keep him alive for a while. We can always lynch him later if/once the real officer gives us real info.
I assume if shock is NK'ed and confirmed officer then Grave Robber/Undertaker should target him, preferably Grave Robber.
That's a good point now I think about it. At least we know that officer isn't necessarily lost if shock is the officer and he does get killed/lynched.
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I assume if shock is NK'ed and confirmed officer then Grave Robber/Undertaker should target him, preferably Grave Robber.
What do we do if shock lives? I'm not all trust, so I really can't count on that shock is telling the truth.
This might have been discussed before, I've read almost everything but not all of it. Or I might have missed something. Fill me in if this has been discussed.
Nothing. Wait until the real officer dies or wants to claim (when he has sufficient enough info).
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This does, however, assume that grave robber and undertaker are in the game and not mafia, which is likely but not guaranteed.
Seriously, though. How do we stop this chaos-voting from happening again?
Because this?
Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
Asking the entire town.
There were several reasons for this to happen, I will start with my own reason for voting late: hoping for a concrete scum read before the end of the day. I imagine many town were. Yet, when it gets down to it, expecting any concrete scum reads D1 was likely more than a little naive. As long as votes are spread out, they hold little meaning. This includes your lone vote for me: if more people voted for me and stated what kind of information you would want from me, I could comply. Spread out votes make no impact: focus them bright and early.
But here is the thing, what about people that are not very active? We want them to be more active, we pressure them with lynch votes to speak up. But when they actually speak up, I personally switched targets. So the question is: at what point does one switch to what kind of target? If inactives know you will switch after a set time, they could just choose to wait it out.
This is a pretty damn true post, but it doesn't answer the question. (Also, if inactives don't post, then they get lynched. If they do, and their posts are satisfactory, then they don't. That's how we deal with lurkers.)
@Annele/Naii (and anyone else who cares):
Now that we have a second day, who are you scumreading?
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First off, there are currently NO confirmed townies or roles, with the exception of moe, who had a sudden onset of death. EVERYONE is going to claim town, because claiming mafia is asking to die. I've read a lot of talk about D2D having a supposedly "inferior role". Again, we have absolutely no idea who might be what. We've only gone through 2 phases in this game, and not much intel has surfaced. Stop assuming shit!
Now, on the topic of inactives and unhelpfuls... we had some people who failed/chose not to vote. This helps NOBODY! There is no stealth role in this version, for the thousandth time! I will be treating anyone who fails to cast a vote as hostile until proven otherwise. The day phase lasts a whole 48 hours, there is plenty of time for you to cast your vote, even if you're not available for end of phase fuckery.
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@Annele/Naii (and anyone else who cares):
Now that we have a second day, who are you scumreading?
Link's switch to dawn early on was kinda suss. Shock maybe but I don't think we should take the risk atm so he's saved himself for a while by claiming officer.
Wait, is a No Lynch seriously getting considered? :o I doubt you could get more than 4 people on that wagon, but 4 is possible.
I need to factcheck my maths with Shock.
So much of a nuclear explosion has already happened.
I need more time to think through the options here. I feel like we're going to get scum D2 regardless of if we lynch today or not.
I don't like Kae's actions here.
I want more time to think. More time than I have.
Didn't we literally agree on not bandwagoning one who's afk at lynchtime last game?
Yes, we did! Dawn aiiin't dying today!
Going through the topic again to figure out who started the no lynch (shock), what about kae's actions did you not like here @Espithel?
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The crux of it is how we went from this:
(Stuff)
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
To this:
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
(This was ian's vote)
In the span of very fucking quick. If Dawn is mafia, this right here is when at least one of his teammates deflected attention away from him.
Couple this with:
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
we are lynching
And:
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
damn, shockcannon might lie regardless of alignement here, but w3 is my bigger scumread, i suppose with shock "exposed" we should ask his findings?
You can tell that Kae really didn't care which one got lynched, as long as one of them got lynched. It didn't seem particularly principled.
If I was scum, this is exactly the sort of shit I'd be doing because, up until this point, that's what these overtime deadlines encourage. There's no punishment for trying to snipe the bandwagon as late as possible (funny because that's what the no-lynch crowd did - Tu Quoque I guess) so they're free to just do this.
I might be singling out Kae here - I need to look back and see if this behaviour is unique to him. Weakish scumread rn.
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Espi, what do you make of ian? go read his posts and lemme know ^^
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I currently think he's town, but a very emotional and pretty ticked off town. Mafia tend to a be a bit more stoic and opportunistic because of the raw information advantage, so he's not acting in the way I'd expect a scum to.
If dawn is scum, his chances of being scum increase. He did say "I'll hammer" way in advance of the deadline, and he didn't seem to take advantage of it, so I'm pretty happy to say he's town for now.
Why do you ask?
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come to think of it it would have been sufficient to just remove my vote when no lynch was first threatened. as many have pointed out no lynch is almost never right and if it arguably is it's always bc of poor planning (having absolutely no idea at mylo (such that even having the least suspect person nked improves the odds) or having a strong conviction that all targets are town)
also i telegraphed my vote on w3 a long time, whilst shock was an ok vote since he was obviously off and he's generally hard to read (and prone to make dangerous moves, although it was actually his avoidance of that which made him sus). as such yh, i was fine with either from the information i had at the time.
I suppose since day 1 is random guessing an untelegraphed no lynch decision in the end is not too bad, since people still voted like they ment it so all we're missing is confirmation on the targets roles.
@shock personality changes are always sus, because its almost like sths different now - your role maybe or perhaps you have people telling you to make different decisions than you otherwise would (which both points to mafia here, although being officer explains your waryness too). It's why i tried to make it clear from the start that I was going to do things different now.
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EBWOP: The dice have spoken. The following players are mafia: Calindu, Naii_the_Baf, MasterWalks, Submachine
Also sorry for previous double post. The forums are pretty laggy for me atm for some reason.
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
Why MW out of the 4 I rolled? I dunno.
If it gets close to deadline and there's any danger of there being no lynch, I'll hammer someone.
All of his random vote switching. Why would you switch from voting on me, to MW, on this reasoning, then going on to vote on dawn, and then switching back to me (and when he finally switched to me, he made it into a tie of 5-5 and he hates no lynch). Also, at the start, scum reading sub then not even voting on him, then randomly town reading him and voting on link because "24 hour night phases". Basically, putting a lot of lynch options out there and not going on any very strongly, hoping somebody would bandwagon on one.
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You know kaempf, I think you're actually a lot more like me than you realize. The difference is you let others influence you too much. That's your weakness.
This voting phase went awfully and i might be part of the problem.
Sorry :-[
Don't be sorry. You're always part of the problem kaempf, but you must learn to embrace it. Harness the power of chaos. Let it flow through your veins and fill your lungs. Reach out and take control of your inner strength. The others are trying to hold you back. They don't want you to know your potential. Don't let them hold you back. Take what's yours. Listen to your own voice. Let it guide your inner :entropy. You think you're binded by :time. Your past and future are connected. But that's just a lie you tell yourself. Change is real. Let it happen. Let your past burn in the :fire and rise from the ashes, a new creation. I can feel it coming. You just have to reach out your hand. Trust me, no, trust yourself! Rise up and attack! Burn the others to the ground with your might! You're so close. No one can stop you. So don't stop yourself.
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LOL
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Reading through the thread and I need to clear up something. According to the forum click, 1 hour before deadline for me is 3am. I was sleeping at 3am.
I have no electricity at the moment so I'm unable to post much
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Reading through the thread and I need to clear up something. According to the forum click, 1 hour before deadline for me is 3am. I was sleeping at 3am.
I have no electricity at the moment so I'm unable to post much
No power?? Everything ok?
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Considering shocks initial post, his target was likely kaempfer13.
Can we no lynch?
It has been beaten into my head that no lynch is never a good town play, so it's unlikely.
That is what I had been hearing, so I dared not advocate for it, but... honestly? My best scum read was w3 just being his usual self, which is not much to go on. Just because it is protocol, does not mean I actually believe it to be the right move.
OPTIONS!
1a. Shock finishes observing his Night 0 target.
1b. Shock uses Raid on someone completely different.
2a. Doctor protects him. Next Night he dies. Safe, but only clears 1 person.
2b. We just SUGGEST that the Doctor protects him, but the Doctor miiight not protect him this Night. Then shock uses Raid next Night while he is ACTUALLY protected.
Second is risky, but doubles our net gain. It introduces an uncertainty for Mafia. They risk wasting a Nightkill if he is actually protected this Night.
Guard appears to be the easiest way for mafia to interrupt shock, and cannot be blocked directly. It will even open him up for a nightkill since he cannot be targeted by other abilities, and protective abilities are lower priority.
@Ginyu
For Haunt I would like clarification: it mentions up to two, is it not exactly two targets?
Furthermore, is mafia allowed to target one of their own members to get a guaranteed second confirm?
The latter would mean shock could be permanently blocked by haunt even this night.
@Ginyu not sure if this got answered
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Haunt (ER): Target up to two players and guess their secondary roles. If you are right with all of those, they have their secondary roles removed permanently. If you guess wrong for at least one of those players, this ability as well as the nightkill will fail. This ability can't be blocked and can only be tracked by a Paranormal Scientist, but the Whisperer using it makes noise.
"Up to two players" means one or two. They can target anyone except the user, so Whisperers can haunt each other if they please.
Also, I want to highlight the "removes permanently" part. While haunted players still reveal their former secondary role upon death, those will not be active anymore and thus cannot be digged up or robbed.
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Wtf guys, pls
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Now heres a thing I've been wondering for a while:
Should all permanently weaponless villagers soft claim not carrying a weapon? Gunsmith would check from the pool of those people for weapons and state if they find a weapon (they might want to wait with this). if you lie about that you are considered scum and will be lynched, otherwise you will be exempt from lynches.
The following roles never carry a weapon:
mech engineer,
drug dealer,
doctor,
para doctor,
security guard (surprisingly not mentioned in gunsmiths ability),
friendly neighbor and
musician
(robber and undertaker sometimes carry weapons and thus shouldnt claim here I think)
If we agree on this, all roles in question shall write "My role never carries a weapon as a villager"
Thoughts?
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You know kaempf, I think you're actually a lot more like me than you realize. The difference is you let others influence you too much. That's your weakness.
This voting phase went awfully and i might be part of the problem.
Sorry :-[
Don't be sorry. You're always part of the problem kaempf, but you must learn to embrace it. Harness the power of chaos. Let it flow through your veins and fill your lungs. Reach out and take control of your inner strength. The others are trying to hold you back. They don't want you to know your potential. Don't let them hold you back. Take what's yours. Listen to your own voice. Let it guide your inner :entropy. You think you're binded by :time. Your past and future are connected. But that's just a lie you tell yourself. Change is real. Let it happen. Let your past burn in the :fire and rise from the ashes, a new creation. I can feel it coming. You just have to reach out your hand. Trust me, no, trust yourself! Rise up and attack! Burn the others to the ground with your might! You're so close. No one can stop you. So don't stop yourself.
I think shock has a hidden message here.
:entropy Main card in entropy is Mutation
:time Main card in time is Anubis
:fire this is Fire
maf is short for Mafia. Shock is mafia.
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Haunt (ER): Target up to two players and guess their secondary roles. If you are right with all of those, they have their secondary roles removed permanently. If you guess wrong for at least one of those players, this ability as well as the nightkill will fail. This ability can't be blocked and can only be tracked by a Paranormal Scientist, but the Whisperer using it makes noise.
"Up to two players" means one or two. They can target anyone except the user, so Whisperers can haunt each other if they please.
Also, I want to highlight the "removes permanently" part. While haunted players still reveal their former secondary role upon death, those will not be active anymore and thus cannot be digged up or robbed.
In other words, mafia only need one target and get one role right if they want to use it. Much safer than the guess two get two right I was hoping for.
However, this requires shock to both not be mafia and mafia to trust his claim, otherwise the one haunting will make sound.
If we agree on this, all roles in question shall write "My role never carries a weapon as a villager"
Thoughts?
This comes down to how much you trust shock. If all town is telling the truth, but shock is lying scum, you just drastically reduced the pool of potential officers for mafia. Short term, weapon claims strongly benefit mafia. Do we even have town gunsmiths? Probably.
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Ok TORB said i was unhelpful with a mancrush on shock. Shock is str8 ballin so i wont deny the mancrush but I cant really be more helpful at this moment.
Here is all the info i can give aside from a role claim.
I did not use my ability N0, i wanted to have a good target first. I used it tonight.
As for reads, I dont have much. Sub and w3 stand out as the most scummy. Espi and Linkcat are naturally scummy. kaempfer seems off compared to previous games but i think you can attribute that to him being more comfortable with mafia since this is his second game. I cant say i have a scum read on TORB or ian but i think they are worth watching closely. They seem active enough yet not too controversial. they could pass as mafia but i wouldnt put money on it. Shock and insig are acting normal but also worth watching. Nobody else has really stood out to me.
You literally listed all the high active ones as scums...
Aggro mafia is a thing. I doubt all the maf are lying low.
If we agree on this, all roles in question shall write "My role never carries a weapon as a villager"
Thoughts?
I dont think this is a good idea. TORB is right, it really only helps mafia and lying about it is too easy. I would bet even town would lie just to not give away role.
(About ian)
All of his random vote switching. Why would you switch from voting on me, to MW, on this reasoning, then going on to vote on dawn, and then switching back to me (and when he finally switched to me, he made it into a tie of 5-5 and he hates no lynch). Also, at the start, scum reading sub then not even voting on him, then randomly town reading him and voting on link because "24 hour night phases". Basically, putting a lot of lynch options out there and not going on any very strongly, hoping somebody would bandwagon on one.
I agree with this. ian is pretty scummy and should be investigated.
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You know kaempf, I think you're actually a lot more like me than you realize. The difference is you let others influence you too much. That's your weakness.
This voting phase went awfully and i might be part of the problem.
Sorry :-[
Don't be sorry. You're always part of the problem kaempf, but you must learn to embrace it. Harness the power of chaos. Let it flow through your veins and fill your lungs. Reach out and take control of your inner strength. The others are trying to hold you back. They don't want you to know your potential. Don't let them hold you back. Take what's yours. Listen to your own voice. Let it guide your inner :entropy. You think you're binded by :time. Your past and future are connected. But that's just a lie you tell yourself. Change is real. Let it happen. Let your past burn in the :fire and rise from the ashes, a new creation. I can feel it coming. You just have to reach out your hand. Trust me, no, trust yourself! Rise up and attack! Burn the others to the ground with your might! You're so close. No one can stop you. So don't stop yourself.
I think shock has a hidden message here.
:entropy Main card in entropy is Mutation
:time Main card in time is Anubis
:fire this is Fire
maf is short for Mafia. Shock is mafia.
main card in time is either Rewind Time or Ghost of the Past what
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Wtf guys, pls
Is that it?
Just a "wat"?
You disappoint me.
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Things I've decided I don't like:
- Shock claiming he has a weapon and being taken seriously despite the fact he's been outed as a wild liar last game
- Mobian throwing shade at me and then never following through with it
- Web's general existence
- Dawn and Link being wonky with each other
- Naii sorta posting but not really
- Link doing this:
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
How does dawn removing his vote make you want to remove your vote from Dawn?
- Insig not being retarded yet
- Web not explaining his Mobian vote
If I missed anything, do tell me. You know what I don't like more than I do, after all.
That was clearly a joke vote, I moved back to dawn, which put him at 3 votes with everyone else at 1. It's notable that the next two posts immediately brought other people to 2 votes with the explanation of pressuring inactives. Looks bad on Torb and vag if dawn flips mafia. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291768/#msg1291768
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So, for the grand summary of my current reads, in order of most to least posts:
Slightly town, and mostly because:
I already told you: Gunsmith = instant confirm. If Town can avoid killing me, it will be useful. Otherwise it’s a waste.
Somewhere far away, Mafia is typing it next to my name that I have a non-weapon role.
Combined with a lot of discussion.
I really did not like the plan and what followed, but I guess you do not need to be mafia to come up with such a plan. Probably.
Scum read. First, he goes full shitposting. Then, when people start pressuring him, he comes up with this post:
LOL here we go again. you wil regret killing me, if it comes to that. Theres no point in me answering those qs because those answers mean nothing to you. i know what i was looking for, you dont. If you have any of your own qs you wanna ask, go for it as i said.
Until finally giving an answer only to the most basic questions.
Combine this with:
There are legit benefits for mafia to have these questions answered.
w3 helped derail town with a discussion that benefits mafia, then does not follow it up with the conclusion that is supposed to help town.
And let us not forget about:
Its N0. can we stop posting so much? kthnx.
More posting/discussion = good.
Right now, w3 is not helpful to town at all.
Town. Generally helpful for town and non-controversial. He does not even have a single person trying to lynch him.
Neutral. Active in discussions, it's useful to have him around for an "interesting" perspective regardless of whether he is mafia. I cannot possibly think of him as town, as long as he is voting on the only person I can confirm as town to get lynched, however.
Slightly scummy. Shitposts everywhere, barely anything useful for town. One particular post is of interest:
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Just because.
Switching to dawn, causing a +2 majority on lynch count. This is really scummy to do for no reason, and will not be forgiven if dawn flips town. But this is Linkcat, so if dawn is mafia, he might actually have a really good reason for this, that he's not telling to protect his own identity.
Neutral. Funny posts, but nothing revealing or controversial.
Slightly scum. Generally unhelpful with a mancrush for shock.
What exactly can you plan to gain from pressuring shock with a vote? Intel? He aint going to give you intel lmao. Hes not useful until late game and he would just mindgame you and give you the run-around until you inevitably give up.
Town.
Neutral. Do not add much to discussions, generally agree or repeat what others say and do not stand out. They are all potential night kills if the pattern continues.
shock is just being shock. Cannot tell if his weapon claim is a lie, a feint (actually mafia) or armed town. Generally, being town and credibly claiming you have a weapon should put you higher or the mafia night kill list, since you have a higher chance to be officer.
Probably should not read too much in these early scumreads, I am just generally suspicious of people.
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
Will tiebreak for dawn > shock if a tie needs to be broken.
I find it hard to believe that TorB could make a post like this if he rolled mafia his first game.
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Wtf guys, pls
Is that it?
Just a "wat"?
You disappoint me.
There were 18 new pages between times I was able to check the thread. You guys trying to break records, or just burn everyone out again?
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Could you at least explode with fiery indignation?
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That was clearly a joke vote, I moved back to dawn, which put him at 3 votes with everyone else at 1. It's notable that the next two posts immediately brought other people to 2 votes with the explanation of pressuring inactives. Looks bad on Torb and vag if dawn flips mafia. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291768/#msg1291768
My vote stayed the same during the many many times dawn was about to be lynched.I did not take part on that shitstorm.
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Okay.
Preparing megapost explaining why I, a pretty staunch advocate of always lynching, decided to no-lynch here.
Just because Mobian and Oa and others are against this, does not necessarily mean they are scum. Always lynching is simply standard town procedure. I also highly suspect at least one of the no-lynchers are mafia.
TL;DR:
- Someone fucking calculate the odds of Shock being mafia based on armed roles
- Lynching is the best and most reliable way of gathering information. I feel like we have a fuckton of information right now. Kae, get onto it if you wanna do it.
- WE NEED TO PUT A FUCKING STOP TO THESE LAST-SECTION EXPLOSIONS OF ACTIVITY.
Seriously. Stop.
This is how the mafia win. I know this because I was one. :^)
I don't care, you're bad and you should feel bad.
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The EOD Frenzy is peak mafia and I don't know why you guys want to avoid it.
Town: TorB, MW, Sub, w3, shock, kaempfer
Sus: Espi, Mobian
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Oh, yeah, EoD frenzies are really fun.
But when they keep happening like this, it severely hurts the town's ability to process what they're doing rationally.
We need to stop doing them, daddy Linkcat.
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The EOD Frenzy is peak mafia and I don't know why you guys want to avoid it.
Town: TorB, MW, Sub, w3, shock, kaempfer
Sus: Espi, Mobian
Did you just copy my read list smh.
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I'm so pissed about that no-lynch I even considered afk-ing for the whole night phase.
Oh, and now I'm being accused of "random voting" by the people I voted on. How ironic is that?
First off, my votes weren't "random". None of you know what true randomness is, so you have no right to talk about it.
Now let's talk about my votes.
I thought it was generally agreed that Sub is most likely town, by being the only one to claim not having a weapon in N0, thus being a perfect target for Gunsmith.
Linkcat and Espithel were meme votes. Who the hell would bandwagon on such a reason???
Masterwalks was a semi-random vote. Again, who the hell would bandwagon on a guy just because I rolled some dice, considering one of the persons I rolled is my townread (although a bad town) atm.
dawn was the hammer I talked about way earlier. He's pretty useless tbh and I wouldn't have minded seeing him lynched. All this "protecting graboid" is a pretty good cover for a mafia, even though it's meme-ing, it gives "reason" to not vote and not give much info.
The w3 vote was because I was getting tired of his constant bs reasoning. Literally all of his reads so far have been incredibly soft reads that don't really make much sense.
Can't believe you guys got talked into no-lynch by shock and w3. Laughable.
weird thing is me and shock both went for no lynch, when shock and i both had opportunites to lynch the other.
Also, weird indeed. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they were both scum.
End of day votes:
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Slightly late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
I'm willing to bet at least two people who voted on no-lynch are scum. Annele and vagbuddy are probably town. A mafia wouldn't stick to an officer claim, even if it's shock doing that claim.
Honestly, I really can't believe neither shock nor w3 were lynched. shock being officer doesn't change the fact that he's useless most of the game and pretends to be useful lategame. w3 being lynched would've also given us some info. I doubt he has a power role.
Both shock and w3 should've been dead by the start of N2. You will end up regretting letting them live.
Feel free to investigate me with gunsmith or something. I don't have a weapon.
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Add iancu to my town list.
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What info would you have gotten from my lynch considering the other vote option was town too so maf didn’t have to protect anyone, it’s like those lynch trains at the start last mafia where all the lynch options were townies q.q
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What info would you have gotten from my lynch considering the other vote option was town too so maf didn’t have to protect anyone, it’s like those lynch trains at the start last mafia where all the lynch options were townies q.q
We would've known you were town?
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What info would you have gotten from my lynch considering the other vote option was town too so maf didn’t have to protect anyone, it’s like those lynch trains at the start last mafia where all the lynch options were townies q.q
We would've known you were town?
And how would that have helped q.q lynching town to confirm town isn’t best strat
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What info would you have gotten from my lynch considering the other vote option was town too so maf didn’t have to protect anyone, it’s like those lynch trains at the start last mafia where all the lynch options were townies q.q
We would've known you were town?
And how would that have helped q.q lynching town to confirm town isn’t best strat
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What info would you have gotten from my lynch considering the other vote option was town too so maf didn’t have to protect anyone, it’s like those lynch trains at the start last mafia where all the lynch options were townies q.q
We would've known you were town?
And how would that have helped q.q lynching town to confirm town isn’t best strat
I’m full of surprises
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Depending on the deleted insults and several other posts I feel like espithel is serious this time. Would have been nice to still be able to read his insults to see if anything about them sounds fake. Slight townread.
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Oh I didn’t take it as an insult, just a game and all dw kinkylinky
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Depending on the deleted insults and several other posts I feel like espithel is serious this time. Would have been nice to still be able to read his insults to see if anything about them sounds fake. Slight townread.
Let's just say he found w3 to be less than genius.
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Chunk 2: Deadline Voting
In the last mafia, one of the best ways to let the town eat themselves was to not really contribute much, and then wait for the clock to run out, and then have so many major decisions of that day happen at that point.
It removes the town's ability to rationally think through their decisions, and the "we have to lynch" mentality, while true, massively compounds this problem.
In addition, it's not fair to people who aren't around during deadline.
Their contribution to what happened has been silenced, because they weren't here. This strategy has been demonstrated not to work in the past mafia. Why are we still doing it?
Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
The best solution would be if everyone could be here on deadline, but I doubt that's possible.
What we should do is break ties, pressure the inactives and share necessary information as early as possible. This also requires to stop joke voting and cast our serious votes as early as possible.
Question: Are placeholder votes or late votes worse?
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Chunk 2: Deadline Voting
In the last mafia, one of the best ways to let the town eat themselves was to not really contribute much, and then wait for the clock to run out, and then have so many major decisions of that day happen at that point.
It removes the town's ability to rationally think through their decisions, and the "we have to lynch" mentality, while true, massively compounds this problem.
In addition, it's not fair to people who aren't around during deadline.
Their contribution to what happened has been silenced, because they weren't here. This strategy has been demonstrated not to work in the past mafia. Why are we still doing it?
Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
The best solution would be if everyone could be here on deadline, but I doubt that's possible.
What we should do is break ties, pressure the inactives and share necessary information as early as possible. This also requires to stop joke voting and cast our serious votes as early as possible.
Question: Are placeholder votes or late votes worse?
As long as the placeholder votes hold any form of substance - late votes.
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Early pressure on the inactives: Insig is sitting on 3 non-serious posts while Naii also has 3 posts.
Calindu is a clever person, I also want him to join more in the discussions. In case he is mafia, we need him to post more so that he can slip up. :silly:
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Readlist (in order of names at the top):
everything he does is pretty Nai and its very little. A fair enough inactivity lynch, but I found nothing that moves the needle either way.
If we got nothing better to do he's the top inactivity lynch. Absolutely nothing usefull here.
What she says is sound and comes from someone who struggles to keep up with the thread. I need more but I wouldnt lynch her any time soon with the current information.
Agree with everything he said so far. he doesnt go the extramile, but ill give an n+ for now.
I see no inconsistency with his behavior last time, even if the jokes arent exactly helpfull. he explained his inactivity with sleep schedule and he was also busy being about to die in puzzle plight as well (and he really wasnt that inactive after all, just had awkward easily explainable timing for being offline). The pushes on him seem to be part joke, part taking offense in him making jokes, part people thinking he was inactive and then not removing their vote in some time (also people remembering him being voted up and just voting him for that reason)? I see no reason to go for him, but I think we should look at the people that voted him (depending on timeframe voting him can speak for either alignement).
decently active and makes sure we dont missunderstand the rules. Townread. Just kidding.
He wrote a fair bit of things, but i can't form a read out of them.
Ah shit, here we go. i probably have the best shot at reading him so i shouldn't half-ass this. I think he's exactly officer or mafia. Him mentioning me as his primeread as both mafia and town, does seem like a telegraph of having used observe and awaiting results of investigate (I don't believe he actually targeted me btw).
I also cryptically mentioned that wanting a no lynch is ironically towny for him, since its consistent with his mindset from last game. He thinks lynching town is always a mistake and doesnt acknowledge the info we get out of a flip that people voted for (and the wagon they didnt vote for).
I have yet to decipher his final post (isnt that against the rules?).
Everything else he said would be kinda scummy if he were anyone else, but its mostly the things he didnt say that make him sus (why so out of character man? obv bc hes officer or mafia)
Most of the things he said seem to try and help town. i especially like his stance in voting, not killing of dawn in absence and not no-lynching.
huh, I didnt realize he posted as much as he did, his posts are kinda forgettable. I'm a little surprised by him wanting mw on his mafia team? cant really make anything out of that either though. there are some usefull things he did like getting people to vote. I'll stick to null here.
He wears his heart on his sleeve. Honestly, the mere fact that he doesn't seem to follow an agenda is enough for me to townread him. He finds everything people say suspicious so dont put too much weight on his reads.
The most suspicious thing about him is that he seems to good for a first time player lol. I like everything he says.
Don't like the sheer volume of completely random votes. is he testing if anyone bites?
Said he was confirmable by gunsmith. agreed on sub being town fast.
said he missunderstood whisperer as its own secondary role. could be an act though. agree on his early stance on optimal play for officer. Yes, I read his posts backwards. and my read in total is null.
I wanted to make a complete list, but I ran out of breath and food. will finish this later. Linkcat and w3 are important to have a closer look on, espi and sub are leantown to me.
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Calindu is a clever person, I also want him to join more in the discussions. In case he is mafia, we need him to post more so that he can slip up. :silly:
I'm following the discussion closely and contributed whenever I had time to actually write down a post and felt I had something to actually add. I must admit I was more engaged in discussions last game, but that was because I was more comfortable with the chat discussions, as I might not be the best at expressing my thoughts in long posts.
As for my thoughts on current topics:
- I highly doubt shock is mafia, as he could have easily let www3 get lynched, to save himself, but instead, he heavily pushed for the no lynch option.
- No lynch might make sense for mafia shock if www3 is also mafia, but they both pushed each other late into the round, despite other options being available.
- I am not 100% sold on shock being Officer, even if he is town. He lied last game about being GN too, so it is possible he lied again.
- I don't like kae's idea of roles with no weapons to claim they have no weapons, we have no idea if we even have a Gunsmith and if everyone is telling the truth, it makes the potential pool of players the officer can be in smaller. If it can be proven that shock is officer, then I agree that it can work.
- I don't hate the late votes, as I can reliably be online at the deadline, it happened last mafia too and most of the players that did it flipped town, but I see why some others might not like them.
- Placeholders votes are fine in my eyes, it is easier to keep the tally of who voted and where, and creates pressure.
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"but I think we should look at the people that voted him"
Kae, you are assuming that dawn is town and one of either shock or me is mafia. I would more look at people staying on shock despite him claiming officer. (Yes, shock is probably town and not officer but a town would defo move his vote away from shock considering its so early, while a maf would use previous mafia's reasoning to keep their vote on shock imo).
Annele was not online during eod and vag probably wasn't paying much attention knowing him, i wouldn't read too much into them.
Oa and mobian tho are interesting. Both stayed on shock and only moved their votes on me when there was a no lynch threat.
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Chunk 2: Deadline Voting
In the last mafia, one of the best ways to let the town eat themselves was to not really contribute much, and then wait for the clock to run out, and then have so many major decisions of that day happen at that point.
It removes the town's ability to rationally think through their decisions, and the "we have to lynch" mentality, while true, massively compounds this problem.
In addition, it's not fair to people who aren't around during deadline.
Their contribution to what happened has been silenced, because they weren't here. This strategy has been demonstrated not to work in the past mafia. Why are we still doing it?
Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
The best solution would be if everyone could be here on deadline, but I doubt that's possible.
What we should do is break ties, pressure the inactives and share necessary information as early as possible. This also requires to stop joke voting and cast our serious votes as early as possible.
Question: Are placeholder votes or late votes worse?
You are kind of missing his point that these deadline votes cannot be thought out as well when you switch votes around near deadline. In one of the voting overtimes, w3 had a majority vote of 1 over no lynch and shock, this is when I switched no lynch. I did not think about the benefit of learning w3 is town. All I could think of at that moment, that if w3 was town, I would be the one that started a lynch train and sat back when I had the power to save him.
You do not have time to look at the bigger picture and see how lynching someone whom may well be town, could help get reads on other people. So please, do not do this after deadline again. 1-2 hours before deadline works just as well, yes? That also happens when I get home from work, so there is my reason for having the most thought out posts around those times on weekdays.
In short: avoid switching this close to -let alone after- deadline when you can. Mafia does not need to think about whom to lynch, they will only know whom not to lynch. Town benefits from reason and logic, which should not be rushed.
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Chunk 2: Deadline Voting
In the last mafia, one of the best ways to let the town eat themselves was to not really contribute much, and then wait for the clock to run out, and then have so many major decisions of that day happen at that point.
It removes the town's ability to rationally think through their decisions, and the "we have to lynch" mentality, while true, massively compounds this problem.
In addition, it's not fair to people who aren't around during deadline.
Their contribution to what happened has been silenced, because they weren't here. This strategy has been demonstrated not to work in the past mafia. Why are we still doing it?
Everyone should cast their vote before deadline. How do we enforce this?
The best solution would be if everyone could be here on deadline, but I doubt that's possible.
What we should do is break ties, pressure the inactives and share necessary information as early as possible. This also requires to stop joke voting and cast our serious votes as early as possible.
Question: Are placeholder votes or late votes worse?
You are kind of missing his point that these deadline votes cannot be thought out as well when you switch votes around near deadline. In one of the voting overtimes, w3 had a majority vote of 1 over no lynch and shock, this is when I switched no lynch. I did not think about the benefit of learning w3 is town. All I could think of at that moment, that if w3 was town, I would be the one that started a lynch train and sat back when I had the power to save him.
You do not have time to look at the bigger picture and see how lynching someone whom may well be town, could help get reads on other people. So please, do not do this after deadline again. 1-2 hours before deadline works just as well, yes? That also happens when I get home from work, so there is my reason for having the most thought out posts around those times on weekdays.
In short: avoid switching this close to -let alone after- deadline when you can. Mafia does not need to think about whom to lynch, they will only know whom not to lynch. Town benefits from reason and logic, which should not be rushed.
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I'm proud of you.
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What about the non-red parts of my post?
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Not casting joke votes seems like an obvious thing, to me.
There will always be a least active person, so I am unsure what you mean by placeholders? Use them to pressure inactives. Share the information you base your votes on at any time plausible, no matter how vague it may seem. Vague reads are enough for the first 1-2 votes on someone, but you really need a good reason to hammer someone beyond that.
There were hammers all over the place yesterday, but it seems people all just used the no no lynch motto as an excuse, rather than giving an actual reason to why that person was scum. Their lack of reasoning is disturbing.
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I just realized.... with 4 Mafia members and Ginyu as host, we're actually going after the Ginyu Force....
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Night 1 started. There is no time left!
Requesting Ginyu to put the phase post in the OP.
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Readlist (in order of names at the top):
everything he does is pretty Nai and its very little. A fair enough inactivity lynch, but I found nothing that moves the needle either way.
If we got nothing better to do he's the top inactivity lynch. Absolutely nothing usefull here.
What she says is sound and comes from someone who struggles to keep up with the thread. I need more but I wouldnt lynch her any time soon with the current information.
Agree with everything he said so far. he doesnt go the extramile, but ill give an n+ for now.
I see no inconsistency with his behavior last time, even if the jokes arent exactly helpfull. he explained his inactivity with sleep schedule and he was also busy being about to die in puzzle plight as well (and he really wasnt that inactive after all, just had awkward easily explainable timing for being offline). The pushes on him seem to be part joke, part taking offense in him making jokes, part people thinking he was inactive and then not removing their vote in some time (also people remembering him being voted up and just voting him for that reason)? I see no reason to go for him, but I think we should look at the people that voted him (depending on timeframe voting him can speak for either alignement).
decently active and makes sure we dont missunderstand the rules. Townread. Just kidding.
He wrote a fair bit of things, but i can't form a read out of them.
Ah shit, here we go. i probably have the best shot at reading him so i shouldn't half-ass this. I think he's exactly officer or mafia. Him mentioning me as his primeread as both mafia and town, does seem like a telegraph of having used observe and awaiting results of investigate (I don't believe he actually targeted me btw).
I also cryptically mentioned that wanting a no lynch is ironically towny for him, since its consistent with his mindset from last game. He thinks lynching town is always a mistake and doesnt acknowledge the info we get out of a flip that people voted for (and the wagon they didnt vote for).
I have yet to decipher his final post (isnt that against the rules?).
Everything else he said would be kinda scummy if he were anyone else, but its mostly the things he didnt say that make him sus (why so out of character man? obv bc hes officer or mafia)
Most of the things he said seem to try and help town. i especially like his stance in voting, not killing of dawn in absence and not no-lynching.
huh, I didnt realize he posted as much as he did, his posts are kinda forgettable. I'm a little surprised by him wanting mw on his mafia team? cant really make anything out of that either though. there are some usefull things he did like getting people to vote. I'll stick to null here.
He wears his heart on his sleeve. Honestly, the mere fact that he doesn't seem to follow an agenda is enough for me to townread him. He finds everything people say suspicious so dont put too much weight on his reads.
The most suspicious thing about him is that he seems to good for a first time player lol. I like everything he says.
Don't like the sheer volume of completely random votes. is he testing if anyone bites?
Said he was confirmable by gunsmith. agreed on sub being town fast.
said he missunderstood whisperer as its own secondary role. could be an act though. agree on his early stance on optimal play for officer. Yes, I read his posts backwards. and my read in total is null.
Alright, picking up where i left off:
First thing I noted is that he seems to insists on being the first person to cast a third vote against a person, usually with no reason given. he did that last time as mafia too.
Requesting shitposts doesnt help, but is within his habit of playing unnecessary minigames.
Openly defends sub as the first person to do so. Also puts me as town (well, true). I dont like his votes at all. Townreads TorB. then gives the following reads matching and adding to his previous:
Town: TorB, MW, Sub, w3, shock, kaempfer
Sus: Espi, Mobian
I would like an explanation especially on his suspects (I largely agree on his townreads), but it seems connected to EoD actions.
I'm not confident on giving a read yet.
I know where i stand.
I like almost everything he says (still not sold on no-lynch, but fine). Some early joke votes. way more helpfull than he would need to be as mafia (tbf hes not getting tunneled this time).
He joined my push on w3 for the same reasons while also telling w3 what to do to help town. As scum he could've pushed a misslynch here, but his motivations look towny to me.
He shaded me a bit, but I dont believe in OMGUS (and I was probably not the best person to push just to get a lynch in as I'm acting as towny as i can imo, so no real motivation for scum to shade me in particular). Oh yh, I found him getting upset with w3 towny too.
I'm not confident enough to give him a full townread, simply because its Espi, but he's done way enough for n+.
Obv my townread was based on him asking for gunsmithcheck. Let's see if that is enough to hold up after isoing (sigh, he posted more than I did).
Recalling that staying out of arguments used to be mafias winning strategy. Sure.
Horrible officer strat. He thought he was everyones topscumread after the fact (leading to gunsmith).
Opens discussion for optimal officer targets to give sth to talk about.
Some shit posts.
He speculated on shocks role for a bit.
His panic in voting phase seems to have been triggered the most by shocks officerclaim, slight townpoints there as we want officer to be alive.
Slight shade on dawn and people protecting him. I think thats fairly irrelevant due to d2d being asleep at the time.
Given that i dont find anything scummy here I'll give small townpoints for sheer volume of usefull discussion.
Now , how do I see my previous scumread. My view on him improved, but let's see if it's enough to put him above the neutral line (which is about as scummy as it gets for my reads atm).
Funny how his intial predictions are one off of ians diceroll again.
requesting doc protection. NAI tbh.
Its N0. can we stop posting so much? kthnx.
... worldwideweb3(93)
horrible advice btw, so i am glad you posted more after all.
There is the rqs which i found poorly planned out and potentially scummy. my real issue was how uncooperative he was though.
poor explanations for reads.
fair point about mobian not acting like he used too as town.
I like his reactions during voting phase, keeping haunt in mind under pressure (tbf mafia would be more likely to remember it and not claim), but his type of panic seemed towny to me. Obv with the only other lynch option being an officer claim no lynch was his only logical option as town. as mafia he could have gone for shock or even dawn.
He also looks better and more articulated today with valid reasons and clarifications. we made fairly clear we lynch him otherwise though.
Still not sure if I should put him at n+ just yet.
In summary:
Townlean (v):
TheonlyrealBeef
Submachine
PlayerOa
MasterWalks
n+:
Annele
Calindu
shockcannon unstable slot (considering his breadcrumps I think officer is more likely, even though per default he would be 4 times more likely to be mafia than officer)
Espithel
n:
Naii_the_Baf
InsignificantWeeaboo
dawn to dusk
vagman13
Mobian
iancudorinmarian
Linkcat
worldwideweb3
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Wagonomics with Kaevision:
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
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Was looking forward to see whether you were going to do the lynchlog this game as well or not - the fact that you bother doing it in this game too makes you a town lean for me.
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I actually posted the clean lynchlog almost immediately.
Forgot to color people with 13 in name:
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo(1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
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Alright, this game is currently starved for info. We are 46 pages deep and hardly anything of substance. I dont have scum reads and i dont take anyones scum reads seriously. I dont even have a town read tbh.
I was debating on calling out a quieter person for reads but i think it will be no substance to it as well.
No Lynch n0 was dumb. We have nothing to go off now. Even next voting phase aint gonna do crap unless intel roles pull something good.
Moe NK sucks. It also gave us no information.
The way i see it, everyones reads are just based off personality reads. I havent seen someone breadcrumb anything yet. MAYBE officer found a town and is breadcrumbing town but its too early to tell or really care.
On lynch day, we need to lynch a fairly active person. Preferably someone in top 7 in post count. This will give us something to work with until mid game role claims.
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Also - I wouldn't base our strategy too much on shock being Officer. Of course he may be - it's a bigger chance he is than any other individual with the current information - but still <50% chance imo. And for the love of god don't do anything wicked this night with the assumption shock is cop. Ofc we'll do anything on deathbed if it gives us an ever so slight chance of staying alive.
And yeah kaempf, I'm aware of that - just forgot to post my reflections on it earlier :D
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So far I've used my ability N0, and I plan on using it this night.
Won't say anything except that for now.
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Also, +1 rep to kae for lynchlog. Very helpful.
P.S. You kinda painted yourself into a corner. If next game you dont lynchlog people will look sus on you.Look at what Oa said about it; you just doing it made him town read you.
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Yh, I will forever do the lynchlog even as scum. if that's an automatic townread I wouldn't be cornered at all.
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Yh, I will forever do the lynchlog even as scum. if that's an automatic townread I wouldn't be cornered at all.
It's not. But it's something I kept in mind at the start of this game, obviously not mentioning it before now when you did it. Interpret it however you want.
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So far I've used my ability N0, and I plan on using it this night.
Won't say anything except that for now.
ffs stop saying whether you used your ability or not. Only say anything regarding abilities if you have good enough info to point out some maf. Saying stuff like this tells mafia what role you might have.
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@kae i wasnt against posting, i was against posting so freaking much on n0 when there was absolutely nothing to talk about except shitposts.
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Mafia probably pays more attention to these claims than the majority of Town. Should we compile these in one post to catch up Town to what Mafia already probably knows?
We already had varying levels of claims from 5 players.
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Mafia probably pays more attention to these claims than the majority of Town. Should we compile these in one post to catch up Town to what Mafia already probably knows?
We already had varying levels of claims from 5 players.
That'd be nice, fam.
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BIG LETTERS SO I CAN FIND THIS IMPORTANT POST AGAIN IN THIS STUPIDLY LARGE THREAD BECAUSE WWW3 ALREADY HAS OVER 80 POSTS. PAGE 47, DO NOT FORGET.
Making this post is dangerous, but not everyone has galaxy brain like me so I have to implant some fail safes. Anyways, let's move on to the point. My officer claim SEEMS to corner me into a predicament where my options are limited. If I told the truth, I'm likely to die to mafia and I'm probably heavily considering using my raid early to get value before I die. If mafia has guard I'm basically screwed. If I'm still town but lying, there will probably be a lot of investigative roles on me and regardless people will be expecting my results. Assuming I live, I either have to reveal that I bamboozled everyone and get lynched for it, or I randomly claim that someone is either town or mafia and hope that 1.) I'm right, and 2.) No one is able to counterclaim my claim due to their night abilities.
But that line of thinking results from peanut size brain. I have galaxy size brain. So let's explore what is actually a plethora of possible outcomes and strategies (I won't relist the outcomes discussed above, but know that I acknowledge those 2 outcomes exist and are highly likely and I will count those as options 1 and 2).
3.) I'm actually mafia. Funnily enough, this is the ideal situation for everyone. I'm the primary role I want to be, I'm in the exact position I want to be, and everyone can finally be right about tunneling me as scum. In my opinion, that I can say is humble but none of you will believe that, I straight up just win the game if I'm mafia here. Am I arrogant? Sure. But I'm in a spot where several people actually believe I might be officer. I can probably buy a few phases because I can just claim that someone is confirmed town, which they actually would be since I know who all the town are. I could also claim that one of my teammates is town, but this would look scummy if I end up getting lynched. But reverse psychology. Everyone thinks I'm crazy and unpredictable. As a result, none of my claims would be trusted and so I wouldn't be hurting my teammates regardless of what I claim, I would only be buying myself time. Assuming I pick my claims carefully, I should be able to get away with it as only the actual Officer would be able to out me. But if they out me that's pretty much a win for mafia. Not only that, I may draw healing from doctor or strange pills, making our mafia team even more confident that our NK won't be stopped.
Now this is reason enough that you should straight up lynch me right now. But consider this. I'm analyzing my own situation way deeper than anyone else. I'm not just throwing out useless percentages of what I might be if I carry a weapon. What do I as mafia have to gain my increasing my suspicion 10 fold? I know you'll say that it's because I'm shock and that's what I would do, but I could've played my own play style without going through the risk I have. I didn't even have to reveal that I carried a weapon. You may say otherwise, but I guarantee you regardless of alignment I could've avoided being a top lynch candidate and being forced to reveal as officer if I wanted to. I let that happen, and you might think that a town would never do that because a townie benefits nothing from that play. Peanut size brain I say.
4.) This is technically a scenario 2b but I'm town and I lied about officer. Now why would I do that other than to throw for town or cause chaos? Well the obvious seeming answer would be I did it to save myself from dying to lynch. Yes, but I just announced that I could've avoided this situation all together to begin with. I knew not talking would bring votes on me. I knew that talking more after that would bring even more votes on me. So what do I have to gain from this, or am I just throwing? Well, I will cause a lot of chaos and wasted abilities for town IF town plays like they normally do with peanut size brain capacity. I might cause the real officer to be forced to counterclaim early and reveal. If this happens, its a disaster. Real officer is revealed and I get lynched. But we're both town, so effectively I just lose two town members, our most important role, and cause everyone to distrust each other. Additionally, I probably guarantee that everyone lynches me day 1 for every future mafia game. But is this situation salvageable, or even advantageous?
Possibly, maybe even yes. I can use this situation to act as a decoy for real officer. If the real officer thinks that this scenario is what's playing out now, they effectively have additional protection. If I die to mafia, that's one less night where they could've hit officer. What's more, if we have a friendly neighbor in play, I have just set up town for an amazing system that could straight up win the game. This is how it works:
Friendly neighbor contacts me. I reveal publicly the names of 2-3 people that the friendly neighbor is among. Officer uses observe on those players until they find the friendly neighbor. Then they check their primary role. If friendly neighbor is mafia, we just found a mafia. If friendly neighbor is town though, now we have a medium for the real officer to give me information without having to publicly reveal. Between potential heals and the fact that I may not be the real officer, mafia has to decide if trying to NK me is worth the risk. If they NK me, I might get healed as the claimed officer. If they NK me successfully, I may turn up a useless role that they wasted time on, especially since players already find me suspicious. They lose me as scapegoat target to hide behind during the day lynches. But if they don't NK me, I keep feeding primary roles to the public. These roles will be as close to confirmed as you can get. If I happen to be the real officer, having the potential for this strategy also gives me even more protection, since mafia might ignore trying to NK me.
Now I realize this strategy has some flaws, but they aren't terrible and having this strategy at least talked about gives us additional protection vs. the mafia because we have another mind gate option available. Mafia could kill all the people I list as possible friendly neighbor targets, but then they're wasting time not killing me or the real officer. Mafia could role block me or the neighbor, but then we know mafia has a role blocker. If officer finds role blocker or an agent catches them, we found another mafia yet again. Yes, there are other ways this can fail, and my entire mafia team could just fake this strategy, but real officer could always counterclaim to reveal several liars and we should at least discuss this option.
Well what do we do with these scenarios. It's essentially going to come down to the who the real officer is and whether they're willing to gamble in blind trusting me. I realize getting others, not just the officer, to trust me is asking for a lot, but I hoping there's at least a couple planet sized brains out there. Or at least normal human skull sized brains.
If I'm the real officer, or the real officer trusts me to be town, then option 4 is in play and we can start looking for the friendly neighbor. Option 1 and 2 are also in play but those are boring and expected and at most I'll have a couple days to find 1-2 confirmed players before mafia kills me. Option 3 is always in play and I'm sure many of you are afraid of that. The meta play is to kill me. No more potential distractions. Could kill mafia. And even if I'm town, at least I don't hurt town any longer or split town vote through my divisiveness. This is probably the play. I'm ready to die but consider the possibilities.
Going off the last spoiler, meta works because it's all about odds and doing what gives the most favorable outcome the most often. But sometimes you need to gamble, especially when I'm playing the game. Because I change the odds, and none of you factor that in. Gotta go with your gut sometimes. Now I have a couple special messages.
@kaempf
Are you willing to play the scarabs with a below 50% winrate against most decks, but will dominate some match ups? Are you willing to make a prediction and stick with it even if a wrong choice means failure? Or will you play 60 card dune scorpion splash sundial stall to cover your bases? Because if others see the meta player straying from the meta they may be willing to follow suit. And you may think chaos helps mafia. But when the whole town turns into chaos, and I mean organized chaos like an army of singularities waiting to combine into the ultimate chimera, boy will the mafia look like fish out of water acting as townies from the past 71 mafia games.
@mafia
I truly wonder whether or not you think I'm officer. Did this just convince you that I'm not, or is this a cover up to make you think I'm not officer? I won't lie, I'm not sure which you think, but I know your team leans heavily in one direction or the other. The question is, is it the right direction? Honestly, I hope you respect me enough to attempt an NK on me tonight. You don't have the beloved Root on your team this game to hide behind. Keeping me alive won't be nearly as useful to you as you think. Respect me and kill me, or you will pay the price.
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naii/ IW, any reads/what do you make of the game so far?
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I mean
I agree
But c'mon you tit
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*channels inner Sub*
Rule number 3 reads as follows: Encrypting messages in order to circumvent the PM ban is not allowed, but you may stray breadcrumbs available to anyone via text content. You are not allowed to obfuscate any text through formatting like spoilers (unless they simply quote another player's post), timers, tiny font size, hardly readable colour etc.
shock broke the rules. Modkill inc.
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Snitches get Bitches
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*channels inner Sub*
Rule number 3 reads as follows: Encrypting messages in order to circumvent the PM ban is not allowed, but you may stray breadcrumbs available to anyone via text content. You are not allowed to obfuscate any text through formatting like spoilers (unless they simply quote another player's post), timers, tiny font size, hardly readable colour etc.
shock broke the rules. Modkill inc.
Thats only if shock was hiding something by doing that. Which is not the case, it was just shitpost/humour.
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*channels inner Sub*
Rule number 3 reads as follows: Encrypting messages in order to circumvent the PM ban is not allowed, but you may stray breadcrumbs available to anyone via text content. You are not allowed to obfuscate any text through formatting like spoilers (unless they simply quote another player's post), timers, tiny font size, hardly readable colour etc.
shock broke the rules. Modkill inc.
Thats only if shock was hiding something by doing that. Which is not the case, it was just shitpost/humour.
Your brain isn't galaxy enough to see the obvious breadcrumbs that Shock's master intelligence has laid out in front of you.
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www3 trying to protect shock from mod kill. New read:
scum (w+): www3 and shock
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shockcannon going for the derpclear of the century. somehow he managed to outdo himself this time with half the posts. Whatever the truth may be I think the only role you might be worthy of being targeted by is friendly neighbor.
I'm willing to go offmeta if it allows me to beat metadecks and potentially reshape the meta. Do note though that all strategies that have a reasonable chance of beating the meta will become part of the new meta once success is witnessed. and everything else is trash unless a metachange somehow makes it viable. what you are doing is playing singularity without checking whether any of chimera, antimatter, aflatoxin or mutation are even in your deck, let alone hand.
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also the friendly neighbor strategy shock is suggesting works with literally anyone and i somewhat doubt its worth it even under normal circumstances (just plain have whoever friendly neighbor talked to give a list of names the neighbor is among and let the officer identify them, but waste tons of actions and how exactly does the officer even contact the friendly neighbor without revealing?). i assume shocks galaxy brain stuff isnt worth our time, so if you have nothing better to do I will explain my gunsmith strategy in more detail:
since roughly half the roles are unarmed it should cut the community into 2 clean halves. yes, mafia will probably lie here in part, but it doubles the chances of gunsmith finding a suitable target (since armed civilians are wasted time for gunsmith). If its true its an instant confirmed villager for the gunsmith, if its a false claim and town doesnt have complete morons we got a confirmed scum (rather than gunsmith having to distinguish for powerrole vs scum). additionally splitting the community into 2 parts makes it easier to find a townmotivated consensus if we only target 1 half of it at first. It's major drawback of course is that all of gunsmith, officer and graverobber are in the armed half, meaning that both we and mafia are more likely to kill our most important roles.
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since roughly half the roles are unarmed it should cut the community into 2 clean halves. yes, mafia will probably lie here in part, but it doubles the chances of gunsmith finding a suitable target (since armed civilians are wasted time for gunsmith). If its true its an instant confirmed villager for the gunsmith, if its a false claim and town doesnt have complete morons we got a confirmed scum (rather than gunsmith having to distinguish for powerrole vs scum). additionally splitting the community into 2 parts makes it easier to find a townmotivated consensus if we only target 1 half of it at first. It's major drawback of course is that all of gunsmith, officer and graverobber are in the armed half, meaning that both we and mafia are more likely to kill our most important roles.
Prove the gunsmith exists and is town.
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if i could you should lynch me
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I personally kind of like the way weapon claims have been going so far. If you get 1, max 2 claims per night, you can actually confirm town or find mafia at maximum speed. Having more claims, is more than town could possibly process and helps mafia with additional info. Furthermore, the risk of making a false claim is much higher.
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No-weapon claims, that is. Weapon claims do not confirm anything.
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yh, thats a fair point, at this point there is not enough motivation for mafia to join in as they have little knowledge how many gunsmiths we have. (and if they do they are at serious risk of being caught)
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My town reads so far are kae, TorB, ian, Sub, and MW.
On the fence about shock and w3.
Slight mafia read on dawn.
Will sort the rest into whoever another time.
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You are not allowed to obfuscate any text through formatting like spoilers (unless they simply quote another player's post), timers, tiny font size, hardly readable colour etc.
First off, there is no exception to what is hidden. If I accept such an obvious rule break, I could just scrap that rule and Link the anti-flaming/trolling rule from the General mafia rules. He was also purposely breaking the rules to provocate an out-of-game reaction. Last, I have my reasons to know this is not meant as just a joke, unfortunately. There is more to it but I will leave it at that.
I am sorry for kind-of disrupting this game by this, I feel like there is no right decision for this case. This is a game about lying, deceiving and incriminating. Go with it all you want while within the borders of the game and the rules. Have fun and don't try to ruin it for others. Thank you.
shockcannon was modkilled. His roles will be revealed upon the end of this Night phase. As a reminder: Every player may change their ability use/target until the night ends.
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Well that's a bummer. Modkills suck regardless of whos the target. Here's to hoping he wasn't officer like he claimed...
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After the clarification of how haunt works only ever fullclaim if you have enough information for a full scumread or your death is inevitable. So long as we have graverobber its better for an officer to be dead than have his role permanently removed from the game. Incidentally this removes a cheap way to talk yourself out of a lynch.
Claim if you are town that is guaranteed to be lynched and you have anything that helps town more so than mafia, but at that point your lynch is mandatory.
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I'm kind of feeling my mortality creeping up. May i request a heal? Obviously do not respond, just consider it.
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Tbh, can't say I'm sad shock got modkilled. That compensates for the no-lynch on D1. And that also gives a lesson that you can't go around breaking rules, no matter who you are.
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So far I've used my ability N0, and I plan on using it this night.
Won't say anything except that for now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNU0_8X-8jw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNU0_8X-8jw)
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shockcannon was modkilled. His roles will be revealed upon the end of this Night phase. As a reminder: Every player may change their ability use/target until the night ends.
I have 2 questions for Ginyu.
- What is the role priority of modkill? Does it come before all other roles or is it around where Nightkill is? This matters to know whether shock can use his ability tonight.
- Are spoiler tags also rulebreaking? They also hide information that is not visible without extra actions. I think the rule should say that all information should be visible at any time without quoting a post. This would allow spoilers but not antiquote or countdowns. (And what about Youtube links that contain a message? For example, could I make a Youtube video where I talk about my thoughts and link it in the topic?)
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Lmao shock, you picked the wrong host to test.
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shockcannon was modkilled. His roles will be revealed upon the end of this Night phase. As a reminder: Every player may change their ability use/target until the night ends.
I have 2 questions for Ginyu.
- What is the role priority of modkill? Does it come before all other roles or is it around where Nightkill is? This matters to know whether shock can use his ability tonight.
- Are spoiler tags also rulebreaking? They also hide information that is not visible without extra actions. I think the rule should say that all information should be visible at any time without quoting a post. This would allow spoilers but not antiquote or countdowns. (And what about Youtube links that contain a message? For example, could I make a Youtube video where I talk about my thoughts and link it in the topic?)
About that latter, I am really not very happy about external links to videos, and in lesser form, images. You are not allowed to edit posts, but you can post an image/video of a post and change that, as long as the link remains equal. Loophole much?
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I agree with TorB. I'm fine with the occasional image as a meme, but not really for in-game information.
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If Shock flips scum this is going to be the most hilarious N1 ever
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naii/ IW, any reads/what do you make of the game so far?
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Do you wanna be lynched fam
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I have 2 questions for Ginyu.
- What is the role priority of modkill? Does it come before all other roles or is it around where Nightkill is? This matters to know whether shock can use his ability tonight.
- Are spoiler tags also rulebreaking? They also hide information that is not visible without extra actions. I think the rule should say that all information should be visible at any time without quoting a post. This would allow spoilers but not antiquote or countdowns. (And what about Youtube links that contain a message? For example, could I make a Youtube video where I talk about my thoughts and link it in the topic?)
1. Modkills have highest priority. Count it as 0 in the list if you want, but in fact he is already dead.
2. Casual spoiler tags are fine. I will try to get up with a better wording when I have time. I don't want to blow it up too much when the general idea is already there. I agree that pictures and videos for fun are alright, but should not contain any in-game content, for the reason TorB stated.
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Mafia probably pays more attention to these claims than the majority of Town. Should we compile these in one post to catch up Town to what Mafia already probably knows?
We already had varying levels of claims from 5 players.
That'd be nice, fam.
Well, nobody objected.
- My claim of not having a gun.
- Shock's claim to have a gun, then his claim of Observer.
- MW's claim of not using his role N0 but using his role on N1.
- Ian's claim of not having a gun.
- Insig's claim of using his role on both Nights 0 and 1.
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naii/ IW, any reads/what do you make of the game so far?
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Do you wanna be lynched fam
I don't have any reads so far. I have to analyze everything and give it some thought in order to actually get a solid grasp of what's going on-- I've only been skimming the whole thing so far, and given out barely substantial posts.
I'm stuck with some stuff IRL, which is why I only show up during tournaments and at random times during the day, and don't stay for too long. Later on in the game(if I live that long) I will try and actually contribute.
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Another night goes, and still no noise. Ironically, the lack of noise is what suddenly causes people to turn crazy. After going on a wild rampage, one of the citizens eventually falls of a cliff and dies immediately after hitting the ground. But that's not it - after going back, they realize another person dies as well, again with bleeding ears. There is something going on around here, that just can't be a coincidence!
Espithel was silenced. He was a Town Friendly Neighbour.
shockcannon was modkilled. He was a Town Policeman.
Day 2 started. There is no time left!
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Duh, of course shock lied.
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Duh, of course shock lied.
Did anyone really think he was telling the truth?
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I thought he mightve finally learned his lesson. Guess we need a free lynch to balance out for having shockcannon on the team in all future mafias.
Do you think espi targeted a mafia night 0? Its the only role someone other than the officer can clearly identify and I wager its decently powerfull. Or was Espithel just killed for being the most usefull not universally townread person?
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He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!
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In an attempt to hide the Officer's identity, even though I cannot have a weapon, I claim that TheonlyrealBeef is Town.
From me, this a bluff of course. 3-4 people should follow my example and call out people as Town.
If you are the real Officer and claim that someone is Mafia, and they really are Mafia, the Mafia will immediately notice, so don't do that.
If you are not the Officer and say that someone is Mafia, if that person is not Mafia, the Mafia will know that you are not the Officer.
If you already claimed to have a weapon or not using your ability at any point, probably everyone already knows that you are not the Officer.
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He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!
Is this about Espithel or shock?
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According to all known laws
of aviation,
there is no way a bee
should be able to fly.
Its wings are too small to get
its fat little body off the ground.
The bee, of course, flies anyway
because bees don't care
what humans think is impossible.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Yellow, black. Yellow, black.
Ooh, black and yellow!
Let's shake it up a little.
Barry! Breakfast is ready!
Ooming!
Hang on a second.
Hello?
- Barry?
- Adam?
- Oan you believe this is happening?
- I can't. I'll pick you up.
Looking sharp.
Use the stairs. Your father
paid good money for those.
Sorry. I'm excited.
Here's the graduate.
We're very proud of you, son.
A perfect report card, all B's.
Very proud.
Ma! I got a thing going here.
- You got lint on your fuzz.
- Ow! That's me!
- Wave to us! We'll be in row 118,000.
- Bye!
Barry, I told you,
stop flying in the house!
- Hey, Adam.
- Hey, Barry.
- Is that fuzz gel?
- A little. Special day, graduation.
Never thought I'd make it.
Three days grade school,
three days high school.
Those were awkward.
Three days college. I'm glad I took
a day and hitchhiked around the hive.
You did come back different.
- Hi, Barry.
- Artie, growing a mustache? Looks good.
- Hear about Frankie?
- Yeah.
- You going to the funeral?
- No, I'm not going.
Everybody knows,
sting someone, you die.
Don't waste it on a squirrel.
Such a hothead.
I guess he could have
just gotten out of the way.
I love this incorporating
an amusement park into our day.
That's why we don't need vacations.
Boy, quite a bit of pomp...
under the circumstances.
- Well, Adam, today we are men.
- We are!
- Bee-men.
- Amen!
Hallelujah!
Students, faculty, distinguished bees,
please welcome Dean Buzzwell.
Welcome, New Hive Oity
graduating class of...
...9:15.
That concludes our ceremonies.
And begins your career
at Honex Industries!
Will we pick ourjob today?
I heard it's just orientation.
Heads up! Here we go.
Keep your hands and antennas
inside the tram at all times.
- Wonder what it'll be like?
- A little scary.
Welcome to Honex,
a division of Honesco
and a part of the Hexagon Group.
This is it!
Wow.
Wow.
We know that you, as a bee,
have worked your whole life
to get to the point where you
can work for your whole life.
Honey begins when our valiant Pollen
Jocks bring the nectar to the hive.
Our top-secret formula
is automatically color-corrected,
scent-adjusted and bubble-contoured
into this soothing sweet syrup
with its distinctive
golden glow you know as...
Honey!
- That girl was hot.
- She's my cousin!
- She is?
- Yes, we're all cousins.
- Right. You're right.
- At Honex, we constantly strive
to improve every aspect
of bee existence.
These bees are stress-testing
a new helmet technology.
- What do you think he makes?
- Not enough.
Here we have our latest advancement,
the Krelman.
- What does that do?
- Oatches that little strand of honey
that hangs after you pour it.
Saves us millions.
Oan anyone work on the Krelman?
Of course. Most bee jobs are
small ones. But bees know
that every small job,
if it's done well, means a lot.
But choose carefully
because you'll stay in the job
you pick for the rest of your life.
The same job the rest of your life?
I didn't know that.
What's the difference?
You'll be happy to know that bees,
as a species, haven't had one day off
in 27 million years.
So you'll just work us to death?
We'll sure try.
Wow! That blew my mind!
"What's the difference?"
How can you say that?
One job forever?
That's an insane choice to have to make.
I'm relieved. Now we only have
to make one decision in life.
But, Adam, how could they
never have told us that?
Why would you question anything?
We're bees.
We're the most perfectly
functioning society on Earth.
You ever think maybe things
work a little too well here?
Like what? Give me one example.
I don't know. But you know
what I'm talking about.
Please clear the gate.
Royal Nectar Force on approach.
Wait a second. Oheck it out.
- Hey, those are Pollen Jocks!
- Wow.
I've never seen them this close.
They know what it's like
outside the hive.
Yeah, but some don't come back.
- Hey, Jocks!
- Hi, Jocks!
You guys did great!
You're monsters!
You're sky freaks! I love it! I love it!
- I wonder where they were.
- I don't know.
Their day's not planned.
Outside the hive, flying who knows
where, doing who knows what.
You can'tjust decide to be a Pollen
Jock. You have to be bred for that.
Right.
Look. That's more pollen
than you and I will see in a lifetime.
It's just a status symbol.
Bees make too much of it.
Perhaps. Unless you're wearing it
and the ladies see you wearing it.
Those ladies?
Aren't they our cousins too?
Distant. Distant.
Look at these two.
- Oouple of Hive Harrys.
- Let's have fun with them.
It must be dangerous
being a Pollen Jock.
Yeah. Once a bear pinned me
against a mushroom!
He had a paw on my throat,
and with the other, he was slapping me!
- Oh, my!
- I never thought I'd knock him out.
What were you doing during this?
Trying to alert the authorities.
I can autograph that.
A little gusty out there today,
wasn't it, comrades?
Yeah. Gusty.
We're hitting a sunflower patch
six miles from here tomorrow.
- Six miles, huh?
- Barry!
A puddle jump for us,
but maybe you're not up for it.
- Maybe I am.
- You are not!
We're going 0900 at J-Gate.
What do you think, buzzy-boy?
Are you bee enough?
I might be. It all depends
on what 0900 means.
Hey, Honex!
Dad, you surprised me.
You decide what you're interested in?
- Well, there's a lot of choices.
- But you only get one.
Do you ever get bored
doing the same job every day?
Son, let me tell you about stirring.
You grab that stick, and you just
move it around, and you stir it around.
You get yourself into a rhythm.
It's a beautiful thing.
You know, Dad,
the more I think about it,
maybe the honey field
just isn't right for me.
You were thinking of what,
making balloon animals?
That's a bad job
for a guy with a stinger.
Janet, your son's not sure
he wants to go into honey!
- Barry, you are so funny sometimes.
- I'm not trying to be funny.
You're not funny! You're going
into honey. Our son, the stirrer!
- You're gonna be a stirrer?
- No one's listening to me!
Wait till you see the sticks I have.
I could say anything right now.
I'm gonna get an ant tattoo!
Let's open some honey and celebrate!
Maybe I'll pierce my thorax.
Shave my antennae.
Shack up with a grasshopper. Get
a gold tooth and call everybody "dawg"!
I'm so proud.
- We're starting work today!
- Today's the day.
Oome on! All the good jobs
will be gone.
Yeah, right.
Pollen counting, stunt bee, pouring,
stirrer, front desk, hair removal...
- Is it still available?
- Hang on. Two left!
One of them's yours! Oongratulations!
Step to the side.
- What'd you get?
- Picking crud out. Stellar!
Wow!
Oouple of newbies?
Yes, sir! Our first day! We are ready!
Make your choice.
- You want to go first?
- No, you go.
Oh, my. What's available?
Restroom attendant's open,
not for the reason you think.
- Any chance of getting the Krelman?
- Sure, you're on.
I'm sorry, the Krelman just closed out.
Wax monkey's always open.
The Krelman opened up again.
What happened?
A bee died. Makes an opening. See?
He's dead. Another dead one.
Deady. Deadified. Two more dead.
Dead from the neck up.
Dead from the neck down. That's life!
Oh, this is so hard!
Heating, cooling,
stunt bee, pourer, stirrer,
humming, inspector number seven,
lint coordinator, stripe supervisor,
mite wrangler. Barry, what
do you think I should... Barry?
Barry!
All right, we've got the sunflower patch
in quadrant nine...
What happened to you?
Where are you?
- I'm going out.
- Out? Out where?
- Out there.
- Oh, no!
I have to, before I go
to work for the rest of my life.
You're gonna die! You're crazy! Hello?
Another call coming in.
If anyone's feeling brave,
there's a Korean deli on 83rd
that gets their roses today.
Hey, guys.
- Look at that.
- Isn't that the kid we saw yesterday?
Hold it, son, flight deck's restricted.
It's OK, Lou. We're gonna take him up.
Really? Feeling lucky, are you?
Sign here, here. Just initial that.
- Thank you.
- OK.
You got a rain advisory today,
and as you all know,
bees cannot fly in rain.
So be careful. As always,
watch your brooms,
hockey sticks, dogs,
birds, bears and bats.
Also, I got a couple of reports
of root beer being poured on us.
Murphy's in a home because of it,
babbling like a cicada!
- That's awful.
- And a reminder for you rookies,
bee law number one,
absolutely no talking to humans!
All right, launch positions!
Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz! Buzz, buzz,
buzz, buzz! Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz!
Black and yellow!
Hello!
You ready for this, hot shot?
Yeah. Yeah, bring it on.
Wind, check.
- Antennae, check.
- Nectar pack, check.
- Wings, check.
- Stinger, check.
Scared out of my shorts, check.
OK, ladies,
let's move it out!
Pound those petunias,
you striped stem-suckers!
All of you, drain those flowers!
Wow! I'm out!
I can't believe I'm out!
So blue.
I feel so fast and free!
Box kite!
Wow!
Flowers!
This is Blue Leader.
We have roses visual.
Bring it around 30 degrees and hold.
Roses!
30 degrees, roger. Bringing it around.
Stand to the side, kid.
It's got a bit of a kick.
That is one nectar collector!
- Ever see pollination up close?
- No, sir.
I pick up some pollen here, sprinkle it
over here. Maybe a dash over there,
a pinch on that one.
See that? It's a little bit of magic.
That's amazing. Why do we do that?
That's pollen power. More pollen, more
flowers, more nectar, more honey for us.
Oool.
I'm picking up a lot of bright yellow.
Oould be daisies. Don't we need those?
Oopy that visual.
Wait. One of these flowers
seems to be on the move.
Say again? You're reporting
a moving flower?
Affirmative.
That was on the line!
This is the coolest. What is it?
I don't know, but I'm loving this color.
It smells good.
Not like a flower, but I like it.
Yeah, fuzzy.
Ohemical-y.
Oareful, guys. It's a little grabby.
My sweet lord of bees!
Oandy-brain, get off there!
Problem!
- Guys!
- This could be bad.
Affirmative.
Very close.
Gonna hurt.
Mama's little boy.
You are way out of position, rookie!
Ooming in at you like a missile!
Help me!
I don't think these are flowers.
- Should we tell him?
- I think he knows.
What is this?!
Match point!
You can start packing up, honey,
because you're about to eat it!
Yowser!
Gross.
There's a bee in the car!
- Do something!
- I'm driving!
- Hi, bee.
- He's back here!
He's going to sting me!
Nobody move. If you don't move,
he won't sting you. Freeze!
He blinked!
Spray him, Granny!
What are you doing?!
Wow... the tension level
out here is unbelievable.
I gotta get home.
Oan't fly in rain.
Oan't fly in rain.
Oan't fly in rain.
Mayday! Mayday! Bee going down!
Ken, could you close
the window please?
Ken, could you close
the window please?
Oheck out my new resume.
I made it into a fold-out brochure.
You see? Folds out.
Oh, no. More humans. I don't need this.
What was that?
Maybe this time. This time. This time.
This time! This time! This...
Drapes!
That is diabolical.
It's fantastic. It's got all my special
skills, even my top-ten favorite movies.
What's number one? Star Wars?
Nah, I don't go for that...
...kind of stuff.
No wonder we shouldn't talk to them.
They're out of their minds.
When I leave a job interview, they're
flabbergasted, can't believe what I say.
There's the sun. Maybe that's a way out.
I don't remember the sun
having a big 75 on it.
I predicted global warming.
I could feel it getting hotter.
At first I thought it was just me.
Wait! Stop! Bee!
Stand back. These are winter boots.
Wait!
Don't kill him!
You know I'm allergic to them!
This thing could kill me!
Why does his life have
less value than yours?
Why does his life have any less value
than mine? Is that your statement?
I'm just saying all life has value. You
don't know what he's capable of feeling.
My brochure!
There you go, little guy.
I'm not scared of him.
It's an allergic thing.
Put that on your resume brochure.
My whole face could puff up.
Make it one of your special skills.
Knocking someone out
is also a special skill.
Right. Bye, Vanessa. Thanks.
- Vanessa, next week? Yogurt night?
- Sure, Ken. You know, whatever.
- You could put carob chips on there.
- Bye.
- Supposed to be less calories.
- Bye.
I gotta say something.
She saved my life.
I gotta say something.
All right, here it goes.
Nah.
What would I say?
I could really get in trouble.
It's a bee law.
You're not supposed to talk to a human.
I can't believe I'm doing this.
I've got to.
Oh, I can't do it. Oome on!
No. Yes. No.
Do it. I can't.
How should I start it?
"You like jazz?" No, that's no good.
Here she comes! Speak, you fool!
Hi!
I'm sorry.
- You're talking.
- Yes, I know.
You're talking!
I'm so sorry.
No, it's OK. It's fine.
I know I'm dreaming.
But I don't recall going to bed.
Well, I'm sure this
is very disconcerting.
This is a bit of a surprise to me.
I mean, you're a bee!
I am. And I'm not supposed
to be doing this,
but they were all trying to kill me.
And if it wasn't for you...
I had to thank you.
It's just how I was raised.
That was a little weird.
- I'm talking with a bee.
- Yeah.
I'm talking to a bee.
And the bee is talking to me!
I just want to say I'm grateful.
I'll leave now.
- Wait! How did you learn to do that?
- What?
The talking thing.
Same way you did, I guess.
"Mama, Dada, honey." You pick it up.
- That's very funny.
- Yeah.
Bees are funny. If we didn't laugh,
we'd cry with what we have to deal with.
Anyway...
Oan I...
...get you something?
- Like what?
I don't know. I mean...
I don't know. Ooffee?
I don't want to put you out.
It's no trouble. It takes two minutes.
- It's just coffee.
- I hate to impose.
- Don't be ridiculous!
- Actually, I would love a cup.
Hey, you want rum cake?
- I shouldn't.
- Have some.
- No, I can't.
- Oome on!
I'm trying to lose a couple micrograms.
- Where?
- These stripes don't help.
You look great!
I don't know if you know
anything about fashion.
Are you all right?
No.
He's making the tie in the cab
as they're flying up Madison.
He finally gets there.
He runs up the steps into the church.
The wedding is on.
And he says, "Watermelon?
I thought you said Guatemalan.
Why would I marry a watermelon?"
Is that a bee joke?
That's the kind of stuff we do.
Yeah, different.
So, what are you gonna do, Barry?
About work? I don't know.
I want to do my part for the hive,
but I can't do it the way they want.
I know how you feel.
- You do?
- Sure.
My parents wanted me to be a lawyer or
a doctor, but I wanted to be a florist.
- Really?
- My only interest is flowers.
Our new queen was just elected
with that same campaign slogan.
Anyway, if you look...
There's my hive right there. See it?
You're in Sheep Meadow!
Yes! I'm right off the Turtle Pond!
No way! I know that area.
I lost a toe ring there once.
- Why do girls put rings on their toes?
- Why not?
- It's like putting a hat on your knee.
- Maybe I'll try that.
- You all right, ma'am?
- Oh, yeah. Fine.
Just having two cups of coffee!
Anyway, this has been great.
Thanks for the coffee.
Yeah, it's no trouble.
Sorry I couldn't finish it. If I did,
I'd be up the rest of my life.
Are you...?
Oan I take a piece of this with me?
Sure! Here, have a crumb.
- Thanks!
- Yeah.
All right. Well, then...
I guess I'll see you around.
Or not.
OK, Barry.
And thank you
so much again... for before.
Oh, that? That was nothing.
Well, not nothing, but... Anyway...
This can't possibly work.
He's all set to go.
We may as well try it.
OK, Dave, pull the chute.
- Sounds amazing.
- It was amazing!
It was the scariest,
happiest moment of my life.
Humans! I can't believe
you were with humans!
Giant, scary humans!
What were they like?
Huge and crazy. They talk crazy.
They eat crazy giant things.
They drive crazy.
- Do they try and kill you, like on TV?
- Some of them. But some of them don't.
- How'd you get back?
- Poodle.
You did it, and I'm glad. You saw
whatever you wanted to see.
You had your "experience." Now you
can pick out yourjob and be normal.
- Well...
- Well?
Well, I met someone.
You did? Was she Bee-ish?
- A wasp?! Your parents will kill you!
- No, no, no, not a wasp.
- Spider?
- I'm not attracted to spiders.
I know it's the hottest thing,
with the eight legs and all.
I can't get by that face.
So who is she?
She's... human.
No, no. That's a bee law.
You wouldn't break a bee law.
- Her name's Vanessa.
- Oh, boy.
She's so nice. And she's a florist!
Oh, no! You're dating a human florist!
We're not dating.
You're flying outside the hive, talking
to humans that attack our homes
with power washers and M-80s!
One-eighth a stick of dynamite!
She saved my life!
And she understands me.
This is over!
Eat this.
This is not over! What was that?
- They call it a crumb.
- It was so stingin' stripey!
And that's not what they eat.
That's what falls off what they eat!
- You know what a Oinnabon is?
- No.
It's bread and cinnamon and frosting.
They heat it up...
Sit down!
...really hot!
- Listen to me!
We are not them! We're us.
There's us and there's them!
Yes, but who can deny
the heart that is yearning?
There's no yearning.
Stop yearning. Listen to me!
You have got to start thinking bee,
my friend. Thinking bee!
- Thinking bee.
- Thinking bee.
Thinking bee! Thinking bee!
Thinking bee! Thinking bee!
There he is. He's in the pool.
You know what your problem is, Barry?
I gotta start thinking bee?
How much longer will this go on?
It's been three days!
Why aren't you working?
I've got a lot of big life decisions
to think about.
What life? You have no life!
You have no job. You're barely a bee!
Would it kill you
to make a little honey?
Barry, come out.
Your father's talking to you.
Martin, would you talk to him?
Barry, I'm talking to you!
You coming?
Got everything?
All set!
Go ahead. I'll catch up.
Don't be too long.
Watch this!
Vanessa!
- We're still here.
- I told you not to yell at him.
He doesn't respond to yelling!
- Then why yell at me?
- Because you don't listen!
I'm not listening to this.
Sorry, I've gotta go.
- Where are you going?
- I'm meeting a friend.
A girl? Is this why you can't decide?
Bye.
I just hope she's Bee-ish.
They have a huge parade
of flowers every year in Pasadena?
To be in the Tournament of Roses,
that's every florist's dream!
Up on a float, surrounded
by flowers, crowds cheering.
A tournament. Do the roses
compete in athletic events?
No. All right, I've got one.
How come you don't fly everywhere?
It's exhausting. Why don't you
run everywhere? It's faster.
Yeah, OK, I see, I see.
All right, your turn.
TiVo. You can just freeze live TV?
That's insane!
You don't have that?
We have Hivo, but it's a disease.
It's a horrible, horrible disease.
Oh, my.
Dumb bees!
You must want to sting all those jerks.
We try not to sting.
It's usually fatal for us.
So you have to watch your temper.
Very carefully.
You kick a wall, take a walk,
write an angry letter and throw it out.
Work through it like any emotion:
Anger, jealousy, lust.
Oh, my goodness! Are you OK?
Yeah.
- What is wrong with you?!
- It's a bug.
He's not bothering anybody.
Get out of here, you creep!
What was that? A Pic 'N' Save circular?
Yeah, it was. How did you know?
It felt like about 10 pages.
Seventy-five is pretty much our limit.
You've really got that
down to a science.
- I lost a cousin to Italian Vogue.
- I'll bet.
What in the name
of Mighty Hercules is this?
How did this get here?
Oute Bee, Golden Blossom,
Ray Liotta Private Select?
- Is he that actor?
- I never heard of him.
- Why is this here?
- For people. We eat it.
You don't have
enough food of your own?
- Well, yes.
- How do you get it?
- Bees make it.
- I know who makes it!
And it's hard to make it!
There's heating, cooling, stirring.
You need a whole Krelman thing!
- It's organic.
- It's our-ganic!
It's just honey, Barry.
Just what?!
Bees don't know about this!
This is stealing! A lot of stealing!
You've taken our homes, schools,
hospitals! This is all we have!
And it's on sale?!
I'm getting to the bottom of this.
I'm getting to the bottom
of all of this!
Hey, Hector.
- You almost done?
- Almost.
He is here. I sense it.
Well, I guess I'll go home now
and just leave this nice honey out,
with no one around.
You're busted, box boy!
I knew I heard something.
So you can talk!
I can talk.
And now you'll start talking!
Where you getting the sweet stuff?
Who's your supplier?
I don't understand.
I thought we were friends.
The last thing we want
to do is upset bees!
You're too late! It's ours now!
You, sir, have crossed
the wrong sword!
You, sir, will be lunch
for my iguana, Ignacio!
Where is the honey coming from?
Tell me where!
Honey Farms! It comes from Honey Farms!
Orazy person!
What horrible thing has happened here?
These faces, they never knew
what hit them. And now
they're on the road to nowhere!
Just keep still.
What? You're not dead?
Do I look dead? They will wipe anything
that moves. Where you headed?
To Honey Farms.
I am onto something huge here.
I'm going to Alaska. Moose blood,
crazy stuff. Blows your head off!
I'm going to Tacoma.
- And you?
- He really is dead.
All right.
Uh-oh!
- What is that?!
- Oh, no!
- A wiper! Triple blade!
- Triple blade?
Jump on! It's your only chance, bee!
Why does everything have
to be so doggone clean?!
How much do you people need to see?!
Open your eyes!
Stick your head out the window!
From NPR News in Washington,
I'm Oarl Kasell.
But don't kill no more bugs!
- Bee!
- Moose blood guy!!
- You hear something?
- Like what?
Like tiny screaming.
Turn off the radio.
Whassup, bee boy?
Hey, Blood.
Just a row of honey jars,
as far as the eye could see.
Wow!
I assume wherever this truck goes
is where they're getting it.
I mean, that honey's ours.
- Bees hang tight.
- We're all jammed in.
It's a close community.
Not us, man. We on our own.
Every mosquito on his own.
- What if you get in trouble?
- You a mosquito, you in trouble.
Nobody likes us. They just smack.
See a mosquito, smack, smack!
At least you're out in the world.
You must meet girls.
Mosquito girls try to trade up,
get with a moth, dragonfly.
Mosquito girl don't want no mosquito.
You got to be kidding me!
Mooseblood's about to leave
the building! So long, bee!
- Hey, guys!
- Mooseblood!
I knew I'd catch y'all down here.
Did you bring your crazy straw?
We throw it in jars, slap a label on it,
and it's pretty much pure profit.
What is this place?
A bee's got a brain
the size of a pinhead.
They are pinheads!
Pinhead.
- Oheck out the new smoker.
- Oh, sweet. That's the one you want.
The Thomas 3000!
Smoker?
Ninety puffs a minute, semi-automatic.
Twice the nicotine, all the tar.
A couple breaths of this
knocks them right out.
They make the honey,
and we make the money.
"They make the honey,
and we make the money"?
Oh, my!
What's going on? Are you OK?
Yeah. It doesn't last too long.
Do you know you're
in a fake hive with fake walls?
Our queen was moved here.
We had no choice.
This is your queen?
That's a man in women's clothes!
That's a drag queen!
What is this?
Oh, no!
There's hundreds of them!
Bee honey.
Our honey is being brazenly stolen
on a massive scale!
This is worse than anything bears
have done! I intend to do something.
Oh, Barry, stop.
Who told you humans are taking
our honey? That's a rumor.
Do these look like rumors?
That's a conspiracy theory.
These are obviously doctored photos.
How did you get mixed up in this?
He's been talking to humans.
- What?
- Talking to humans?!
He has a human girlfriend.
And they make out!
Make out? Barry!
We do not.
- You wish you could.
- Whose side are you on?
The bees!
I dated a cricket once in San Antonio.
Those crazy legs kept me up all night.
Barry, this is what you want
to do with your life?
I want to do it for all our lives.
Nobody works harder than bees!
Dad, I remember you
coming home so overworked
your hands were still stirring.
You couldn't stop.
I remember that.
What right do they have to our honey?
We live on two cups a year. They put it
in lip balm for no reason whatsoever!
Even if it's true, what can one bee do?
Sting them where it really hurts.
In the face! The eye!
- That would hurt.
- No.
Up the nose? That's a killer.
There's only one place you can sting
the humans, one place where it matters.
Hive at Five, the hive's only
full-hour action news source.
No more bee beards!
With Bob Bumble at the anchor desk.
Weather with Storm Stinger.
Sports with Buzz Larvi.
And Jeanette Ohung.
- Good evening. I'm Bob Bumble.
- And I'm Jeanette Ohung.
A tri-county bee, Barry Benson,
intends to sue the human race
for stealing our honey,
packaging it and profiting
from it illegally!
Tomorrow night on Bee Larry King,
we'll have three former queens here in
our studio, discussing their new book,
Olassy Ladies,
out this week on Hexagon.
Tonight we're talking to Barry Benson.
Did you ever think, "I'm a kid
from the hive. I can't do this"?
Bees have never been afraid
to change the world.
What about Bee Oolumbus?
Bee Gandhi? Bejesus?
Where I'm from, we'd never sue humans.
We were thinking
of stickball or candy stores.
How old are you?
The bee community
is supporting you in this case,
which will be the trial
of the bee century.
You know, they have a Larry King
in the human world too.
It's a common name. Next week...
He looks like you and has a show
and suspenders and colored dots...
Next week...
Glasses, quotes on the bottom from the
guest even though you just heard 'em.
Bear Week next week!
They're scary, hairy and here live.
Always leans forward, pointy shoulders,
squinty eyes, very Jewish.
In tennis, you attack
at the point of weakness!
It was my grandmother, Ken. She's 81.
Honey, her backhand's a joke!
I'm not gonna take advantage of that?
Quiet, please.
Actual work going on here.
- Is that that same bee?
- Yes, it is!
I'm helping him sue the human race.
- Hello.
- Hello, bee.
This is Ken.
Yeah, I remember you. Timberland, size
ten and a half. Vibram sole, I believe.
Why does he talk again?
Listen, you better go
'cause we're really busy working.
But it's our yogurt night!
Bye-bye.
Why is yogurt night so difficult?!
You poor thing.
You two have been at this for hours!
Yes, and Adam here
has been a huge help.
- Frosting...
- How many sugars?
Just one. I try not
to use the competition.
So why are you helping me?
Bees have good qualities.
And it takes my mind off the shop.
Instead of flowers, people
are giving balloon bouquets now.
Those are great, if you're three.
And artificial flowers.
- Oh, those just get me psychotic!
- Yeah, me too.
Bent stingers, pointless pollination.
Bees must hate those fake things!
Nothing worse
than a daffodil that's had work done.
Maybe this could make up
for it a little bit.
- This lawsuit's a pretty big deal.
- I guess.
You sure you want to go through with it?
Am I sure? When I'm done with
the humans, they won't be able
to say, "Honey, I'm home,"
without paying a royalty!
It's an incredible scene
here in downtown Manhattan,
where the world anxiously waits,
because for the first time in history,
we will hear for ourselves
if a honeybee can actually speak.
What have we gotten into here, Barry?
It's pretty big, isn't it?
I can't believe how many humans
don't work during the day.
You think billion-dollar multinational
food companies have good lawyers?
Everybody needs to stay
behind the barricade.
- What's the matter?
- I don't know, I just got a chill.
Well, if it isn't the bee team.
You boys work on this?
All rise! The Honorable
Judge Bumbleton presiding.
All right. Oase number 4475,
Superior Oourt of New York,
Barry Bee Benson v. the Honey Industry
is now in session.
Mr. Montgomery, you're representing
the five food companies collectively?
A privilege.
Mr. Benson... you're representing
all the bees of the world?
I'm kidding. Yes, Your Honor,
we're ready to proceed.
Mr. Montgomery,
your opening statement, please.
Ladies and gentlemen of the jury,
my grandmother was a simple woman.
Born on a farm, she believed
it was man's divine right
to benefit from the bounty
of nature God put before us.
If we lived in the topsy-turvy world
Mr. Benson imagines,
just think of what would it mean.
I would have to negotiate
with the silkworm
for the elastic in my britches!
Talking bee!
How do we know this isn't some sort of
holographic motion-picture-capture
Hollywood wizardry?
They could be using laser beams!
Robotics! Ventriloquism!
Oloning! For all we know,
he could be on steroids!
Mr. Benson?
Ladies and gentlemen,
there's no trickery here.
I'm just an ordinary bee.
Honey's pretty important to me.
It's important to all bees.
We invented it!
We make it. And we protect it
with our lives.
Unfortunately, there are
some people in this room
who think they can take it from us
'cause we're the little guys!
I'm hoping that, after this is all over,
you'll see how, by taking our honey,
you not only take everything we have
but everything we are!
I wish he'd dress like that
all the time. So nice!
Oall your first witness.
So, Mr. Klauss Vanderhayden
of Honey Farms, big company you have.
I suppose so.
I see you also own
Honeyburton and Honron!
Yes, they provide beekeepers
for our farms.
Beekeeper. I find that
to be a very disturbing term.
I don't imagine you employ
any bee-free-ers, do you?
- No.
- I couldn't hear you.
- No.
- No.
Because you don't free bees.
You keep bees. Not only that,
it seems you thought a bear would be
an appropriate image for a jar of honey.
They're very lovable creatures.
Yogi Bear, Fozzie Bear, Build-A-Bear.
You mean like this?
Bears kill bees!
How'd you like his head crashing
through your living room?!
Biting into your couch!
Spitting out your throw pillows!
OK, that's enough. Take him away.
So, Mr. Sting, thank you for being here.
Your name intrigues me.
- Where have I heard it before?
- I was with a band called The Police.
But you've never been
a police officer, have you?
No, I haven't.
No, you haven't. And so here
we have yet another example
of bee culture casually
stolen by a human
for nothing more than
a prance-about stage name.
Oh, please.
Have you ever been stung, Mr. Sting?
Because I'm feeling
a little stung, Sting.
Or should I say... Mr. Gordon M. Sumner!
That's not his real name?! You idiots!
Mr. Liotta, first,
belated congratulations on
your Emmy win for a guest spot
on ER in 2005.
Thank you. Thank you.
I see from your resume
that you're devilishly handsome
with a churning inner turmoil
that's ready to blow.
I enjoy what I do. Is that a crime?
Not yet it isn't. But is this
what it's come to for you?
Exploiting tiny, helpless bees
so you don't
have to rehearse
your part and learn your lines, sir?
Watch it, Benson!
I could blow right now!
This isn't a goodfella.
This is a badfella!
Why doesn't someone just step on
this creep, and we can all go home?!
- Order in this court!
- You're all thinking it!
Order! Order, I say!
- Say it!
- Mr. Liotta, please sit down!
I think it was awfully nice
of that bear to pitch in like that.
I think the jury's on our side.
Are we doing everything right, legally?
I'm a florist.
Right. Well, here's to a great team.
To a great team!
Well, hello.
- Ken!
- Hello.
I didn't think you were coming.
No, I was just late.
I tried to call, but... the battery.
I didn't want all this to go to waste,
so I called Barry. Luckily, he was free.
Oh, that was lucky.
There's a little left.
I could heat it up.
Yeah, heat it up, sure, whatever.
So I hear you're quite a tennis player.
I'm not much for the game myself.
The ball's a little grabby.
That's where I usually sit.
Right... there.
Ken, Barry was looking at your resume,
and he agreed with me that eating with
chopsticks isn't really a special skill.
You think I don't see what you're doing?
I know how hard it is to find
the rightjob. We have that in common.
Do we?
Bees have 100 percent employment,
but we do jobs like taking the crud out.
That's just what
I was thinking about doing.
Ken, I let Barry borrow your razor
for his fuzz. I hope that was all right.
I'm going to drain the old stinger.
Yeah, you do that.
Look at that.
You know, I've just about had it
with your little mind games.
- What's that?
- Italian Vogue.
Mamma mia, that's a lot of pages.
A lot of ads.
Remember what Van said, why is
your life more valuable than mine?
Funny, I just can't seem to recall that!
I think something stinks in here!
I love the smell of flowers.
How do you like the smell of flames?!
Not as much.
Water bug! Not taking sides!
Ken, I'm wearing a Ohapstick hat!
This is pathetic!
I've got issues!
Well, well, well, a royal flush!
- You're bluffing.
- Am I?
Surf's up, dude!
Poo water!
That bowl is gnarly.
Except for those dirty yellow rings!
Kenneth! What are you doing?!
You know, I don't even like honey!
I don't eat it!
We need to talk!
He's just a little bee!
And he happens to be
the nicest bee I've met in a long time!
Long time? What are you talking about?!
Are there other bugs in your life?
No, but there are other things bugging
me in life. And you're one of them!
Fine! Talking bees, no yogurt night...
My nerves are fried from riding
on this emotional roller coaster!
Goodbye, Ken.
And for your information,
I prefer sugar-free, artificial
sweeteners made by man!
I'm sorry about all that.
I know it's got
an aftertaste! I like it!
I always felt there was some kind
of barrier between Ken and me.
I couldn't overcome it.
Oh, well.
Are you OK for the trial?
I believe Mr. Montgomery
is about out of ideas.
We would like to call
Mr. Barry Benson Bee to the stand.
Good idea! You can really see why he's
considered one of the best lawyers...
Yeah.
Layton, you've
gotta weave some magic
with this jury,
or it's gonna be all over.
Don't worry. The only thing I have
to do to turn this jury around
is to remind them
of what they don't like about bees.
- You got the tweezers?
- Are you allergic?
Only to losing, son. Only to losing.
Mr. Benson Bee, I'll ask you
what I think we'd all like to know.
What exactly is your relationship
to that woman?
We're friends.
- Good friends?
- Yes.
How good? Do you live together?
Wait a minute...
Are you her little...
...bedbug?
I've seen a bee documentary or two.
From what I understand,
doesn't your queen give birth
to all the bee children?
- Yeah, but...
- So those aren't your real parents!
- Oh, Barry...
- Yes, they are!
Hold me back!
You're an illegitimate bee,
aren't you, Benson?
He's denouncing bees!
Don't y'all date your cousins?
- Objection!
- I'm going to pincushion this guy!
Adam, don't! It's what he wants!
Oh, I'm hit!!
Oh, lordy, I am hit!
Order! Order!
The venom! The venom
is coursing through my veins!
I have been felled
by a winged beast of destruction!
You see? You can't treat them
like equals! They're striped savages!
Stinging's the only thing
they know! It's their way!
- Adam, stay with me.
- I can't feel my legs.
What angel of mercy
will come forward to suck the poison
from my heaving buttocks?
I will have order in this court. Order!
Order, please!
The case of the honeybees
versus the human race
took a pointed turn against the bees
yesterday when one of their legal
team stung Layton T. Montgomery.
- Hey, buddy.
- Hey.
- Is there much pain?
- Yeah.
I...
I blew the whole case, didn't I?
It doesn't matter. What matters is
you're alive. You could have died.
I'd be better off dead. Look at me.
They got it from the cafeteria
downstairs, in a tuna sandwich.
Look, there's
a little celery still on it.
What was it like to sting someone?
I can't explain it. It was all...
All adrenaline and then...
and then ecstasy!
All right.
You think it was all a trap?
Of course. I'm sorry.
I flew us right into this.
What were we thinking? Look at us. We're
just a couple of bugs in this world.
What will the humans do to us
if they win?
I don't know.
I hear they put the roaches in motels.
That doesn't sound so bad.
Adam, they check in,
but they don't check out!
Oh, my.
Oould you get a nurse
to close that window?
- Why?
- The smoke.
Bees don't smoke.
Right. Bees don't smoke.
Bees don't smoke!
But some bees are smoking.
That's it! That's our case!
It is? It's not over?
Get dressed. I've gotta go somewhere.
Get back to the court and stall.
Stall any way you can.
And assuming you've done step correctly, you're ready for the tub.
Mr. Flayman.
Yes? Yes, Your Honor!
Where is the rest of your team?
Well, Your Honor, it's interesting.
Bees are trained to fly haphazardly,
and as a result,
we don't make very good time.
I actually heard a funny story about...
Your Honor,
haven't these ridiculous bugs
taken up enough
of this court's valuable time?
How much longer will we allow
these absurd shenanigans to go on?
They have presented no compelling
evidence to support their charges
against my clients,
who run legitimate businesses.
I move for a complete dismissal
of this entire case!
Mr. Flayman, I'm afraid I'm going
to have to consider
Mr. Montgomery's motion.
But you can't! We have a terrific case.
Where is your proof?
Where is the evidence?
Show me the smoking gun!
Hold it, Your Honor!
You want a smoking gun?
Here is your smoking gun.
What is that?
It's a bee smoker!
What, this?
This harmless little contraption?
This couldn't hurt a fly,
let alone a bee.
Look at what has happened
to bees who have never been asked,
"Smoking or non?"
Is this what nature intended for us?
To be forcibly addicted
to smoke machines
and man-made wooden slat work camps?
Living out our lives as honey slaves
to the white man?
- What are we gonna do?
- He's playing the species card.
Ladies and gentlemen, please,
free these bees!
Free the bees! Free the bees!
Free the bees!
Free the bees! Free the bees!
The court finds in favor of the bees!
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That's word by word the same thing I planned to post if I died.
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Who did espi talk to? Should the person who was targeted confirm and relay us what espi thought?
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He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!
Is this about Espithel or shock?
Espi, obviously. Shock always has been, and always will be, a menace to the town.
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Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Mobian is not playing his usual aggressive angry at shitty town game.
HMMMPH!
OOOOH YES!
HIT ME WITH THAT ARGUMENTATION DADDY WEB!
YOU'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT! MOBIAN ISN'T ALLOW-
Mobian is not playing his usual aggressive angry at shitty town game.
True. I've gotten over it, and in a less stressful personal space now too. Last couple games were happening during a pretty rough time for me personally.
...Oh.
You're still right, though. I'll go harass him next day, hm?
So shortly after pointing out Mobian changes style, we get this post:
First off, there are currently NO confirmed townies or roles, with the exception of moe, who had a sudden onset of death. EVERYONE is going to claim town, because claiming mafia is asking to die. I've read a lot of talk about D2D having a supposedly "inferior role". Again, we have absolutely no idea who might be what. We've only gone through 2 phases in this game, and not much intel has surfaced. Stop assuming shit!
Now, on the topic of inactives and unhelpfuls... we had some people who failed/chose not to vote. This helps NOBODY! There is no stealth role in this version, for the thousandth time! I will be treating anyone who fails to cast a vote as hostile until proven otherwise. The day phase lasts a whole 48 hours, there is plenty of time for you to cast your vote, even if you're not available for end of phase fuckery.
Espithel no longer lives to harass Mobian, but I do. His attempt to force last second lynch would confirm w3 town is he is maf at the same time.
He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!
Consideration, hah. This posts reeks of scummy sarcasm. You're laying it on waaay to thick there.
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I really don't understand you guys. Last 2 games, the biggest complaint about me was that I was "rude" and "angry". I'm in a better point in my life now, and not stressed constantly or upset about other personal things that bleed in to the game, and this too causes suspicion? Now there's me sharing my honest thoughts about Espi, and that's scummy sarcasm?
Seems there's just no pleasing you people. Fuckit, do whatever you want. I've officially run out of fucks to give.
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I was on the minority last time, but I townread you from the start. Now I don't. Give us something to work with please.
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I really don't understand you guys. Last 2 games, the biggest complaint about me was that I was "rude" and "angry". I'm in a better point in my life now, and not stressed constantly or upset about other personal things that bleed in to the game, and this too causes suspicion? Now there's me sharing my honest thoughts about Espi, and that's scummy sarcasm?
Seems there's just no pleasing you people. Fuckit, do whatever you want. I've officially run out of fucks to give.
Yes.
Changes in personality are always looked at under scrutiny. You have played as both mafia and town, so by looking back on older mafia's we should be able to get an idea of which one youre running now right?
Wrong
The game you played mafia in was a PM allowed game. You PM'd me more than anyone else and you played me. I should be able to get a scum read on you better than most anyone else here.
I didnt have scum read on you as i stated i dont have scum reads yet. You are playing like your town self BUT you are defending yourself the same you did when you played as mafia. Mafia you kinda just rolled with the show not offering huge plans or strategies and going with everyone else's. I have seen you plan as well as counter plans in this game so yea, thats a town you.
But your aggressive defending that you can smell the frustration off of is mafia you. Last game as town, while you didnt really get much sus on you, you didnt defend like this.
So as for now, you lean both scum and town, but you have sus. If i was to right out a scum read, you would appear on it twice.
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Just be yourself, because roleplaying is usually a Mafia thing to do.
I would personally prefer if people didn't get angry over a game, like www, Espi and now Mobian. It ruins the fun. :/
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I was on the minority last time, but I townread you from the start. Now I don't. Give us something to work with please.
What can I give you? I've been nothing but honest from the start. I gave you my theory as to why Espi got NK'd. I made that last minute lynch attempt to prevent No Lynch, which has been preached to me countless times. I try to conform to the generally accepted playstyle of this community, and I am beyond frustrated with it. In the end, you will do what you will do. I can offer you literally nothing more. It seems my personality just naturally clashes with the majority of the players here. So be it.
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Just be yourself, because roleplaying is usually a Mafia thing to do.
I would personally prefer if people didn't get angry over a game, like www, Espi and now Mobian. It ruins the fun. :/
wait wait wait, im never angry over a game. Im always laughing behind screen and having fun.
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I was on the minority last time, but I townread you from the start. Now I don't. Give us something to work with please.
What can I give you? I've been nothing but honest from the start. I gave you my theory as to why Espi got NK'd. I made that last minute lynch attempt to prevent No Lynch, which has been preached to me countless times. I try to conform to the generally accepted playstyle of this community, and I am beyond frustrated with it. In the end, you will do what you will do. I can offer you literally nothing more. It seems my personality just naturally clashes with the majority of the players here. So be it.
Just be you. Dont try and conform and stuff. Play like however you want.
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There are many ways to be useful. Other than responding to what others say, you can start your own conversations, plans, suspicions, unheard statements.
For example, who else thinks that one of vagman/Calindu/Annele is Mafia?
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Sub and MW, you two are the only one ive strong reads as town. Pleaseeee go over espi posts and in general so we can O R C H E S T R A T E a mafia lynch. Really need to fine one this phase.
Sus rn: cal link mob kae Oa and one of not as actives.
Will need to re read thread and then will see if i find more.
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Honestly, I'm terrible at reading people. There are people who rub me wrong, but I'm almost certain they're town. Just about everyone has been offering up good points, but I would say right now, I'd point to the inactives, as I said before. By failing to contribute, they are failing to help the town sort out this mess.
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10. Anything said within the context of the game, including promises, bets, etc, stays within the game. Players can lie, deceive, and manipulate, (but not cheat) in any way they like. Slander within the context of the game is usually not meant as a personal offense.
I am very serious about this and the game.
Right now, I take even Mobian's words as an attempt to manipulate and as your best defense: just (pretending?) to get angry over it.
I have never seen you as chummy as that Espithel post, and find anyone that chummy suspicious. Unless their name was Zyardran.
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okay so I am willing to bet Espi talked to a mafia. I am willing to bet whoever he talked to might've slipped up and was worried espi would read mafia off him/her. Now, who would be a target of espi? Who would espi want to talk to? If i had town neighbor, i would talk to people i know well since it would be easier to get a read. I would target shock, insig, or mobian. Who are espi's friends? His profile shows no buddies. Does he have any friends?
I bet he talked to w3 but i dont get scum read on w3.
I dont know espi well enough to know his friends.
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okay so I am willing to bet Espi talked to a mafia. I am willing to bet whoever he talked to might've slipped up and was worried espi would read mafia off him/her. Now, who would be a target of espi? Who would espi want to talk to? If i had town neighbor, i would talk to people i know well since it would be easier to get a read. I would target shock, insig, or mobian. Who are espi's friends? His profile shows no buddies. Does he have any friends?
I bet he talked to w3 but i dont get scum read on w3.
I dont know espi well enough to know his friends.
He didnt.
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Respond to my posts.
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Respond to my posts.
Which posts?
The one about if we think annele/vag/cal?
most people have already said they dont have concrete reads yet
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Which posts?
The one about if we think annele/vag/cal?
Yeh, and the one about hiding the Officer.
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no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
I'm willing to bet at least two people who voted on no-lynch are scum. Annele and vagbuddy are probably town. A mafia wouldn't stick to an officer claim, even if it's shock doing that claim.
Now that shock and Espi are dead, there are only www3, Sub and TorB left there. Out of the three, w3 is the most scummy of them all imo. I have a slight town read on Sub and neutral read on Torb atm.
I still hold my opinion that both shock and w3 have to be dead by Day 2. If w3 turns out to be town, that most likely means at least one of TorB/Sub and 2-3 of MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian are mafia. I also think d2d is likely mafia as well. If he is indeed scum like I think he is, that gives us even more information.
Either way, w3 dying would give us a lot of information no matter what his alignment turns out to be.
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
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There are many ways to be useful. Other than responding to what others say, you can start your own conversations, plans, suspicions, unheard statements.
For example, who else thinks that one of vagman/Calindu/Annele is Mafia?
None of them are particularly active, only borderline above inactive. None of them make crucial points, one way or another. All of them generally agree with what other people are saying. I town read none of them.
For vag, I am slightly conflicted: on the one hand, there is the slight scum lean for vag for being literally the only one to agree with the slight scum read on me, only to not follow it through. His prime scum reads were me, w3 and Link, yet he did not vote to lynch any of them.
Ugh ,finally some time to relax and read all the crap that's been posted. Subby you need to improve on shitposting cause that's just shit posting as it has been said :silly: It would have been hilarious if day started and there would be only one person having made noise lol :sillyspin:
Also I am still trying to figure out how this is played and the style of each player .For example, Linkat acts cool and post whatever the crap he likes like he's not afraid of the nightkill/lynching. Not sure if that's mafia behavior or just link being link ,probably the latter. :P
On my list of suspicious behavior is torbie(for pretty much what espi said) and www3 and link(after seeing the results of the nightkill it is obvious mafia wanted the kill to not be blocked and those people asked for protection.
I guess this day I will decide instinctively so I reserve my nutkick vote for later once more crap has been posted.
Even when he had the chance to hammer w3 and make it final, why is this? I will give him the benefit of the doubt for new to mafia here, since I honestly do not understand why mafia would do this. They would just hammer someone town, right?
Fixed lynch vote:
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
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Of course, an alternative theory, is that vag did not hammer him because he is mafia, thinking one step ahead and not going for the obvious play that would make him suspicious.
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Sus rn: cal link mob kae Oa and one of not as actives.
Could you elaborate on your scumreads?
I also agree on your two townreads; MW and Sub.
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For example, who else thinks that one of vagman/Calindu/Annele is Mafia?
I'm not sure about this grouping to be honest, why one and only one? I don't see any link between me and either vagman or Annele, no heavily opposed view, nothing like that. I'd appreciate if you gave some kind of reasoning of why specifically this group.
okay so I am willing to bet Espi talked to a mafia.
Actually, I think there's a good chance Espithel didn't even use his ability, it's not the best ability, and its best use is using it on confirmed towns. Using it and hitting a mafia with it is basically a role claim that only the mafia knows about, and it removes Espithel from the pool of potential Officers.
Sus rn: cal link mob kae Oa and one of not as actives.
Maybe give some reasoning about it, why only one of the not as actives? You have already been called out on scumreading people and not giving any reason why, by none other than Espithel too.
In an attempt to hide the Officer's identity, even though I cannot have a weapon, I claim that TheonlyrealBeef is Town.
I like this, it allows the Officer to leave breadcrumbs in a very productive way, as it gets everyone to claim their best townread as well too. I believe that if we do this, more players should follow through with it.
I claim that Submachine is Town.
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Sus rn: cal link mob kae Oa and one of not as actives.
Could you elaborate on your scumreads?
I also agree on your two townreads; MW and Sub.
You're mainly there because you stayed on shock even after his officer claim, and after moved to lynch me when no lynch came under threat. Very weak sus rn but a sus nonetheless.
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Sus rn: cal link mob kae Oa and one of not as actives.
Could you elaborate on your scumreads?
I also agree on your two townreads; MW and Sub.
You're mainly there because you stayed on shock even after his officer claim, and after moved to lynch me when no lynch came under threat. Very weak sus rn but a sus nonetheless.
Fair enough, I can see where you get that from.
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The crux of it is how we went from this:
(Stuff)
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
To this:
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
(This was ian's vote)
In the span of very fucking quick. If Dawn is mafia, this right here is when at least one of his teammates deflected attention away from him.
Couple this with:
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
we are lynching
And:
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
damn, shockcannon might lie regardless of alignement here, but w3 is my bigger scumread, i suppose with shock "exposed" we should ask his findings?
You can tell that Kae really didn't care which one got lynched, as long as one of them got lynched. It didn't seem particularly principled.
If I was scum, this is exactly the sort of shit I'd be doing because, up until this point, that's what these overtime deadlines encourage. There's no punishment for trying to snipe the bandwagon as late as possible (funny because that's what the no-lynch crowd did - Tu Quoque I guess) so they're free to just do this.
I might be singling out Kae here - I need to look back and see if this behaviour is unique to him. Weakish scumread rn.
Also this post is interesting. It is putting kae Oa and ian in bad spot (only if dawn if maf so again not that strong on its own but a thought nonetheless considering espi was nked).
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Ohh and I like the sound of Sub's new idea of townclaiming. If I'm officer, the following statement is true as I have done my first investigation by now. If I'm not the officer, this is merely a simple townread without any more substance.
kaempfer13 is town.
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Ok time to update the lynchlog:
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
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Ohh and I like the sound of Sub's new idea of townclaiming. If I'm officer, the following statement is true as I have done my first investigation by now. If I'm not the officer, this is merely a simple townread without any more substance.
kaempfer13 is town.
I say this exact same thing.
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Hm going by votes I dont see any real connection in subs group. Annele and vag just voted shock and stuck to it, Calindu acted completely different. Why did you single them out?
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Sus rn: cal link mob kae Oa and one of not as actives.
Maybe give some reasoning about it, why only one of the not as actives? You have already been called out on scumreading people and not giving any reason why, by none other than Espithel too.
Cal: very laid back and not as active as i expected. Used the reasoning of chat being banned, but idk if i buy it rn.
Link: he will always remain sus and i'll always have a doubt against him.
mob: Massive change in playstyle. Then another change in playstyle when i pointed out the change in playstyle.
kae: look at previous post. I know he is smart enough to look like a perfect town and thats what hes trying to do.
Oa: already explained.
Current inactives are IW dawn anelle naii. i cant see 2 mafia trying to stay low. Annele hasnt played in a while and i can see why she is probs a townie. Naii dawn and IW all have stuff not going for them and are up for exploring imo.
Again, i need to find time to reread thread which ill do before the final 24 hours and then cast my vote.
Ian, i know that you dont like the way i play xd but please for the sake of town, if youre town, go thru it calmly and dont act based on anger q.q
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For example, who else thinks that one of vagman/Calindu/Annele is Mafia?
why one and only one? I don't see any link between me and either vagman or Annele, no heavily opposed view, nothing like that. I'd appreciate if you gave some kind of reasoning of why specifically this group.
Well, not only one but at least one. I cannot think of a mafia setup with this posting and event history where none of you are Mafia. A minor connection also exists. You three all had posts I would have made if I was Mafia.
I'm not getting any support on this idea, so I'll just keep this in mind for later. I don't think my vote will be on one of you 3 today. I'm currently trying to decipher probably www's scummiest post he made in this game yet.
Sub and MW, you two are the only one ive strong reads as town. Pleaseeee go over espi posts and in general so we can O R C H E S T R A T E a mafia lynch. Really need to fine one this phase.
Sus rn: cal link mob kae Oa and one of not as actives.
Will need to re read thread and then will see if i find more.
Don't mind the reads. What I don't like is that you are asking the Townreads to do the investigation. No, everyone should do the investigation. And what's with the sudden rush? This won't be the decisive day.
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if we dont find a maf this phase, we are gonna be 4 town down. More if maf has a kill role too.
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I explained my reasoning clearly. Yes, I don't like the way you play, but that has nothing to do with my vote. I explained my reasoning clearly.
Now, if you're town, then contribute as much as you can before being lynched. If you're scum, then lol rekt ez gg no re.
And honestly, seeing how desperate you are to keep yourself alive and continuously preaching that you shouldn't be lynched "for the sake of town", I'm pretty sure you're scum. Either that, or a bad officer.
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if we dont find a maf this phase, we are gonna be 4 town down. More if maf has a kill role too.
Okay, that's exactly the card Sub pulled two mafias ago. We were at do-or-die stage and he was the most desperate one out of all, when he was scum "WE HAVE TO LYNCH MAFIA NOW OR WE LOSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA". You're pulling that card waaaaaay to early to be town. Like c'mon dude, it's just day 2.
@others, help me lynch w3.
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ofcourse i am desperate to keep myself alive, you dont generally want to be lynching best mafia player if hes on your side q.q :silly:
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if we dont find a maf this phase, we are gonna be 4 town down. More if maf has a kill role too.
Okay, that's exactly the card Sub pulled two mafias ago. We were at do-or-die stage and he was the most desperate one out of all, when he was scum "WE HAVE TO LYNCH MAFIA NOW OR WE LOSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA". You're pulling that card waaaaaay to early to be town. Like c'mon dude, it's just day 2.
@others, help me lynch w3.
I'd love to, but I don't think he's dirty. I'm on the fence regarding Insig and Naii though.
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Then why would you love to? You have 1 vote on you right now, this is too early for selfpreservation. You shouldnt want your townreads dead.
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Cause he's one of the ones that rubs me the wrong way. If I were voting out of spite, I'd vote him in a heartbeat. However, zI do read town from him, even if it's douchetown.
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Ohh and I like the sound of Sub's new idea of townclaiming. If I'm officer, the following statement is true as I have done my first investigation by now. If I'm not the officer, this is merely a simple townread without any more substance.
kaempfer13 is town.
I say this exact same thing.
That is kind of unoriginal. Still, hmmm...
What to do, what to do.
You see, on the one hand there is the strongest town read claim. But would that truly be the person whom you would be targeting as officer? I can bandwagon these claims, but the actual officer claim would likely stand out, unless we each pick unique targets. But the town reads will be significantly weaker.
In N0, I targeted dawn.
If I am officer, my continued investigation from N1 has led me to learn dawn is town. If I am not officer, then this statement only means I suspected dawn N0. No more, no less.
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MW is town.
I dont really know how helpful this hiding officer thing is but oh well, doesn't harm so w/e.
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This has the problem though that you essentially arent allowed to vote for people you supposedly townread without immediately nullifying that statement. I had the same gripe as you did with the original method. I suppose your cover holds up as long as you are not making a case or a vote on dawn, but is there a better method maybe?
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In fact thats actually problem; as soon as you make a case on dawn you are confirmed not to be the officer, which worsens their odds of survival of the real one. I think we need to discuss this before any more people claim!
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The main problem I see is that it makes the real officer less credible.
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In fact thats actually problem; as soon as you make a case on dawn you are confirmed not to be the officer, which worsens their odds of survival of the real one. I think we need to discuss this before any more people claim!
Not to mention confirming (mafia only!) people not to be officer if they town read a maf. If we ascend these claims to "shock-like mindgating", they will at least mean absolutely nothing again. But it certainly does not help the real officer.
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Cover all bases: Some people do this same Officer claim D3, which protects against the few cases where either Officer didn't, or was unable to, use their ability N0 or N1
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A kind reminder that if people do not want another vote swap pandemonium at the end of round, they really need to start voting. Vote to pressure inactives, vote for your beliefs... just let everyone know where you stand and why, so people can consider these options before mafia orchestrates a townie to get killed near the end of voting phase. It's much harder to recognize such actions when you do not have the time to think them over.
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I don't mind if the Officer votes on his official townread as long as we can look back at his posts and obviously deduce who his findings were. Just don't get your townread lynched, Officer.
Also, lol, I sleep through the night and we still only have 2 votes. People here don't care about late day frenzy.
I have a message to all the people who barely contributed yet. I know you don't know how to play Mafia. Time to learn it! :) :) :) :) :)
Here is how. Pick a person from the list below who someone else didn't pick yet, and PUBLICLY analyze their posts one by one. How to analyze? You deduce whether their posts are indicative of alignment, if they are consistent or fluctuating, if they said anything that contradicts themselves, anything you find that you would say if you were mafia. Anything. JUST BE HECKING USEFUL, SHIVA DAMMIT.
| PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk, MasterWalks |
Vaggy, I'm sorry but the court has found your activities suspicious. You openly said that you wouldn't have fun if you were mafia, and here you are looking like someone not having fun. You didn't even go Vaggy Nutto Kicku yet, only on shock as a pressure vote. I need you to be openly talkative, please. I really didn't want to vote on you, but if things go on like this, I don't see anything changin'. x_X
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
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Gotta love it when you come up with a well reasoned plan, but it gets ignored and people just go for the old "pressure inactives" and "vague reads".
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What plan? lynching w3?
I will cast my vote in the next 10 hours, I need more input before then.
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I agree with iancu that www in his current state should not live to see the endgame, otherwise he will be a distraction from other players. I prefer to not lynch him earlier than Day 3 though.
On Day 3, I will vote with you if we won't have a better option.
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I would like to note that if (if!) Mobian flips mafia that means that w3 is almost always innocent
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Lynching me will give no info. Eod vote options became shock and me, both town. Mafia would be happy to lynch either. Most people were happy to hop on me instead of shock. Shock flipped town. It would have been diff if most people went on shock instead of me and then he flipped town. Currently we will find more info by lynching dawn really, but even then I’ve a feeling that he was town too so there’s 0 point.
Everyone must drop their vote in the next 10 hours latest. We need to avoid EoD frenzy at any cost. So if you’re town, pls pls vote early and if needed, you can always change later.
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Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
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"We'll lynch w3 later" is a joke. I've seen how this "lynching later" works. The person gets ignored and gets to live up to lategame. The same thing happened with shock last game, and what happened? Town lost.
As I've said, no matter what alignment w3 turns out to be, we still get info. w3's "You'll get no information from lynching me" is like a chicken saying "don't kill and cook me, I won't be tasty at all". I'd also like to remind you all that we're playing "mafia", not "survivor".
See, this is the main problem with mafia in this forum. If the person that comes up with the plan isn't like Link, Root, dd tier, it gets ignored. So far, nobody pointed any drawbacks in lynching w3, only that they have "better ideas". If your better idea is lynching someone that gives little to no info, then suit yourself.
Lynching:
- Mobian - w3 is most likely town if Mobian is mafia. Congratulations, you confirmed 1 civvy and got no other info. If Mobian is town, you get nothing.
- vagbuddy - literally no info regardless of his alignment
- d2d - Town? Congratulations, you get nothing. Mafia? Maaaaaaybe you can analyze some orchestration going on to save him, but he wasn't really in all that much danger of being lynched.
Anyway, this the last post in which I'm explaining all this. If you want to stick to your random vote spread and end of day frenzy O R C H E S T R A T I N G instead, then that's fine by me. But don't expect me to contribute any further if that's the case. I'll just sit back and enjoy the chaos you created.
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Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
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Ian, I'm with you on that one, but if www is Town Officer or Gunsmith, I would rather allow him 2 investigations before jumping on him.
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if Mobian is mafia we clear not only w3 but probably the entirety of the no-lynch train (provided mafia coordinated). Although tbf I was already heavily townreading it except for w3.
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no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
I'm willing to bet at least two people who voted on no-lynch are scum. Annele and vagbuddy are probably town. A mafia wouldn't stick to an officer claim, even if it's shock doing that claim.
Now that shock and Espi are dead, there are only www3, Sub and TorB left there. Out of the three, w3 is the most scummy of them all imo. I have a slight town read on Sub and neutral read on Torb atm.
I still hold my opinion that both shock and w3 have to be dead by Day 2. If w3 turns out to be town, that most likely means at least one of TorB/Sub and 2-3 of MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian are mafia. I also think d2d is likely mafia as well. If he is indeed scum like I think he is, that gives us even more information.
Either way, w3 dying would give us a lot of information no matter what his alignment turns out to be.
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Regarding the original plan though, if www is Town, we do not learn that TorB or I are Mafia, as I'm pretty sure he is Town. It is not a mandatory rule that the No Lynch wagon has to include 1 Mafia. If you build your argument on this one statement, then lynching www is not any better than any other lynch, and the argument just falls apart.
My reason to eventually vote out www is to allow Town to focus on others and stop the tunneling.
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I do appreciate the planning though. That's an added Town lean to your previous non-gun claim.
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Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
I do want to point a finger (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Finger_of_Suspicion) at Sub, leading mass votes against people who are unable to defend themselves at the end of a phase, especially after what happened last mafia, is super scummy to me. Especially at a time when a lot of people are panicking, it's easy to o r c h e s t r a t e something like this. I don't have much on him beyond this, which is why I'm not fully ready to vote on him yet though.
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I'll add that he said he saw me online, but not only was it 3am, but my power went out that morning. I have no idea how he thought I was online
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If I’m town, you learn nothing. Seriously, stop making me dd of last mafia. This is incredibly stupid.
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I'll add that he said he saw me online, but not only was it 3am, but my power went out that morning. I have no idea how he thought I was online
I checked your profile, saw when you were last online, compared it to the time when you last posted in topic, and the last vote you could have seen was where you were tied as a top vote with someone. If you haven't seen that, then you were top vote before that. You saw you being top vote either way.
You denying that is an added scum lean, hmm.
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Right now, w3 is not helpful to town at all.
Do not conflate "town helpfulness" with "being town."
The goal of the mafia is to blend in. That means that they actively want to be helpful to the town.
In fact, this is my overall strategy as a scum: Be so helpful that you would never possibly want to lynch me. <3
Although, this is day 1. "You're not helpful" lynches are valid this early as we don't have good reads. However, they rapidly lose their worth, very quickly.
I think www3 is town, due to how frazzled he is at this moment in time. The general rule of thumb is that mafia like to hold back and play the field, while town has convictions. Even though they're retardedly weak and he refuses to elaborate on them, he does have conviction.
I don't think mafia would be this willfully obtuse, but I won't be sad to see him gone.
I'm going to calculate some odds with Shock in a bit. Please give me a moment.
Post where espi was townreading me.
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Shock has a higher chance of being mafia than everyone else purely statistically assuming he's telling the truth.
I actually really don't like how both ian and Kae YEETED onto that www3 wagon immediately.
I really wanted a mob lynch but people don’t wanna follow. I said don’t make it a two way :facepalm:
Did you know not giving reasons to lynch people makes them not give a fuck?
Shade on Ian and kae. And again defence of me somewhat.
Link, talk.
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Didn't we literally agree on not bandwagoning one who's afk at lynchtime last game?
Yes, we did! Dawn aiiin't dying today!
Here's a thing that's been bugging me. Dawn was not afk 1 hour before the deadline, at which point he saw that he was top lynch. That's not even behind his back. That's why I don't like the reasoning given against voting him.
Poops, I forgot about Haunt.
This is blatantly incorrect. There is zero chance this could have been correct, and I have Google History to prove it.
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You sure you wanna share your google history :sillyspin:
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Yeah, www is most likely Town, but then please use a different defense than "you learn nothing by lynching me". This is not survivor, so noone will listen to that.
Or offer a better alternative that makes sense. Do your scumreading thing. You got 3 out of 4 last time. You haven't even placed a vote yet.
This is a team game where if you die early, your team can still win if you nudge your team in the right direction while being alive. Focusing on the self-preserving doesn't help on the long run.
This is blatantly incorrect. There is zero chance this could have been correct, and I have Google History to prove it.
That is no case against you being potentially mafia though. Post your Google history, but the scumlean your recent posts caused will probably stick on you.
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Yeah, www is most likely Town, but then please use a different defense than "you learn nothing by lynching me". This is not survivor, so noone will listen to that.
Or offer a better alternative that makes sense. Do your scumreading thing. You got 3 out of 4 last time. You haven't even placed a vote yet.
This is a team game where if you die early, your team can still win if you nudge your team in the right direction while being alive. Focusing on the self-preserving doesn't help on the long run.
This is blatantly incorrect. There is zero chance this could have been correct, and I have Google History to prove it.
That is no case against you being potentially mafia though. Post your Google history, but the scumlean your recent posts caused will probably stick on you.
Ian sid you get info from lynching me. I want to know what info exactly.
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Truth be told I've been tunneling Mobian all day ever since TorB pointed him out. I was just allowing some time for other ideas to enter the playing field before making it the focal point of discussion. Unfortunately they've been kind of a letdown.
And as ian already figured every other suggested lynch (other than w3 and Mobian) gives us almost no info beyond the flip itself. Now unlike ian, I think Mobian flipping actually gives us more info than w3 (makes the entirety of no-lynch train look much better). But that's not why I want him dead.
He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!
Now this may not seem like much, but this is not a town!Mobian post. town!Mobian would be about equally frustrated with each dead town more and not single out Espithel as the be-all-end-all. It's also ironic how Espithel promised to point a finger at Mobian today. In this context too "slow to point fingers" almost seems like gloating.
Also thanks for letting us now your thinking process on nking.
Additionally he seems to particularly strongly concerned with his survival (a little of it makes sense regardless of alignement, but hes reacting very early).
Furthermore he's hedging his read on w3. It seems he knows w3 is town and wants to take credit for "predicting" it, but he still wants to incite a strong enough suspicion to allow for him to get lynched.
Add to that the fact that he was already at the bottom of my PoE and I cant help but tunnel him.
Now, is this post a bit hyperbolic? certainly, but on Day 2 i doubt we can make any stronger case.
You may have killed espi, but the furry police is gonna get you for it:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506860354824044554/591467384435507200/FO0GljH.png)
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
blow
Press b to blow. You certainly did blow regardless of alignement.
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I am worried about hitting a Town investigative role.
Shock said he has a weapon, which can mean a lot of things including our main 2 cop roles.
Www3 said we would regret if he got him, which can mean he also has a good role.
Sadly this can be true about anyone. We were lucky that Moe's ability was not particularly useful, but we can't be lucky forever.
The problem is, shock is probably Town and he sounds like he has a more useful role than dawn. But right now, if he's Town, he's intentionally not being useful.
I'm removing my vote from dawn, for now. I will probably place it on shock before the deadline if it will matter.
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
If we lynch shock and he's Town Gunsmith, I will be upset.
This was the last vote I saw. I was tied second, and votes were being directed elsewhere than me. I was confident I could sleep, so I did. I almost always go to sleep around midnight. I definitely do not go to sleep at 3:00am. I do not believe for a second that you saw me online, and this is only making my scum read of you higher.
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Could’ve left the account on by accident while sleeping^^
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Yeah, www is most likely Town, but then please use a different defense than "you learn nothing by lynching me". This is not survivor, so noone will listen to that.
Or offer a better alternative that makes sense. Do your scumreading thing. You got 3 out of 4 last time. You haven't even placed a vote yet.
This is a team game where if you die early, your team can still win if you nudge your team in the right direction while being alive. Focusing on the self-preserving doesn't help on the long run.
This is blatantly incorrect. There is zero chance this could have been correct, and I have Google History to prove it.
That is no case against you being potentially mafia though. Post your Google history, but the scumlean your recent posts caused will probably stick on you.
I said I’ll vote with soon after re reading the thread, and definitely early enough to have 24 hours left after my vote.
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Maybe I was hacked by Sub to make this claim possible ;)
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Also ignore all my typos, I’m on phone^^
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The last post before that, you were tied for top vote. A single person removes a vote for you and you assume you are safe. You became second top vote then, one of the top 3 most voted. You assumed wrong it would not come back to you.
It's a popular Mafia strategy to point out irrelevant things to disprove suspicion. Do try to defend against you being Mafia though. You haven't done that yet.
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Except the votes did stay off me until you decided to try to train me about 20 minutes into overtime or whatever it was.
What claims are there of me being mafia? I argued the ones from D1, is there anything else that I'm missing?
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Except the votes did stay off me until you decided to try to train me about 20 minutes into overtime or whatever it was.
What claims are there of me being mafia? I argued the ones from D1, is there anything else that I'm missing?
Instead of responding to suspicions, form your own Town case why you are not a good lynch target in the future.
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Don't kill me my role is useful
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^How's that
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Jokes aside, I don't think there's anyone who can say "I am a bad lynch target" for reasons other than their role. Everyone is a good lynch target if people are suspicious enough of them. That's why the best way to make people think you're town is to refute suspicion
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That's not true. People who don't have guns can use it as a reasoning to avoid a lynch. Being active and generally helpful like kaempfer and Espithel is also something why TorB and kaempfer are not even considered as lynch targets. Being the Officer is also a good reason to avoid a lynch.
Not posting until pressured is not one of the reasons. I hope you see what I'm trying to suggest to you.~
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lol, we're stalking people now? What's next? Spamming F5 on whoisonline?
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All this started was because I was proactive and poked my finger at people who I thought were scummy, though. I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said, and if I randomly start being super proactive and super helpful, which is a complete contradiction to how I was playing in previous mafias, you would scum read me for that. There isn't really a way I can win in this scenario.
Kaempfer and Espi have accrued a history of being proactive. I have not
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So you will continue to not contribute much?
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I will contribute what I need, when I feel it is necessary. Last mafia with analysing the Otyugh stuff, was something that I dug into. Pointing suspicion at you because I feel people glossed over the vote train is something that I felt was necessary, though I didn't want to post it right away, I felt that now was a better time for it
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I hereby allow and ask you to be more proactive and promise not to scumread you for the fact that being proactive is inconsistent with your previous behavious. If you are just gonna be deadweight we're better off having you modkilled.
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I will contribute what I need, when I feel it is necessary.
"So, not much."
...would be my answer, but I give you the benefit of the doubt and see if you increase your contributions.
With that, I rest my case.
An Espithel post-analysis will come later. I already posted my message to the silent crowd, but I'm not gonna enforce it if they are fine with Mafia blending in. I will return when there are at least 8 votes on the field or when the phase ends.
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I have no idea what the current vote count is, but I vote for dawn.
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Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
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Truth be told I've been tunneling Mobian all day ever since TorB pointed him out. I was just allowing some time for other ideas to enter the playing field before making it the focal point of discussion. Unfortunately they've been kind of a letdown.
And as ian already figured every other suggested lynch (other than w3 and Mobian) gives us almost no info beyond the flip itself. Now unlike ian, I think Mobian flipping actually gives us more info than w3 (makes the entirety of no-lynch train look much better). But that's not why I want him dead.
He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!
Now this may not seem like much, but this is not a town!Mobian post. town!Mobian would be about equally frustrated with each dead town more and not single out Espithel as the be-all-end-all. It's also ironic how Espithel promised to point a finger at Mobian today. In this context too "slow to point fingers" almost seems like gloating.
Also thanks for letting us now your thinking process on nking.
Additionally he seems to particularly strongly concerned with his survival (a little of it makes sense regardless of alignement, but hes reacting very early).
Furthermore he's hedging his read on w3. It seems he knows w3 is town and wants to take credit for "predicting" it, but he still wants to incite a strong enough suspicion to allow for him to get lynched.
Add to that the fact that he was already at the bottom of my PoE and I cant help but tunnel him.
Now, is this post a bit hyperbolic? certainly, but on Day 2 i doubt we can make any stronger case.
You may have killed espi, but the furry police is gonna get you for it:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506860354824044554/591467384435507200/FO0GljH.png)
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
blow
Press b to blow. You certainly did blow regardless of alignement.
Accounting for Linkcats vote
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Also, I'll passive aggressively state that the opposite of my worry seems to come true and I dont like it either.
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Lmao at that Mobian post.
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
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Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Here you go sub, heres your 8 votes.
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Just quick read the gazillion of pages you guys posted overnight and morning.Still not having a scumread that I am confident to vote on.Will give it some thought once I am home in a couple of hours.
P.S.
W3 i may not voted on you last time, but it wont happen again if people want to lynch you.
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Just quick read the gazillion of pages you guys posted overnight and morning.Still not having a scumread that I am confident to vote on.Will give it some thought once I am home in a couple of hours.
P.S.
W3 i may not voted on you last time, but it wont happen again if people want to lynch you.
ditto :P
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I am on Espithel duty.
Getting really ticked off at these tits not explaining their votes.
For the kind memory of Espi, can Link and PlayerOa explain their votes? Oa switched without explanation and Link voted and switched without explanation.
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Initial vote placed on dawn kinda for the same reasons as D1. Then read iancu's post which I agree with on many points, therefore switching over to w3
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W3 kill clears up a lot, naturally due to how many posts he's made, but also because of the D1 votes. If he's mafia, then most of the people who voted for him are cleared. If he's town, people can easily use the excuse that D1 Lynches are always better, and the No-Lynch crew isn't completely safe, but it does give a shadow to some of the w3 lynch crew. I don't doubt that at least one of the no-lynches were Mafia though
In this scenario though, w3, Espi, and Shock are all dead, which leaves TorB and Sub.
I feel like those are the predominant reasons for the w3 lynch, since townflip w3 gives the most townflip information, while also having a reasonable chance at striking a mafia.
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I also realize a w3 lynch will put me in rather bad light, stated by iancu - then so be it, I have nothing to hide. My reasoning behind joining in on the vote switch-bonanza was nothing more than disagreement with the no lynch group.
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The No Lynch wagon definitely has a Mafia in it, like 100%, because solid evidence points to it. Consider that a law of nature, if you will. :^)
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Truth be told I've been tunneling Mobian all day ever since TorB pointed him out. I was just allowing some time for other ideas to enter the playing field before making it the focal point of discussion. Unfortunately they've been kind of a letdown.
And as ian already figured every other suggested lynch (other than w3 and Mobian) gives us almost no info beyond the flip itself. Now unlike ian, I think Mobian flipping actually gives us more info than w3 (makes the entirety of no-lynch train look much better). But that's not why I want him dead.
He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!
Now this may not seem like much, but this is not a town!Mobian post. town!Mobian would be about equally frustrated with each dead town more and not single out Espithel as the be-all-end-all. It's also ironic how Espithel promised to point a finger at Mobian today. In this context too "slow to point fingers" almost seems like gloating.
Also thanks for letting us now your thinking process on nking.
Additionally he seems to particularly strongly concerned with his survival (a little of it makes sense regardless of alignement, but hes reacting very early).
Furthermore he's hedging his read on w3. It seems he knows w3 is town and wants to take credit for "predicting" it, but he still wants to incite a strong enough suspicion to allow for him to get lynched.
Add to that the fact that he was already at the bottom of my PoE and I cant help but tunnel him.
Now, is this post a bit hyperbolic? certainly, but on Day 2 i doubt we can make any stronger case.
You may have killed espi, but the furry police is gonna get you for it:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506860354824044554/591467384435507200/FO0GljH.png)
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
blow
Press b to blow. You certainly did blow regardless of alignement.
I don't know how many times I have to say it. The. Past. Games. I. Was. In. A. Shitty. Personal. Space! This led to the stress and anxiety that I was experiencing in the real world to bleed over into this hot mess of a community. This time around, I just started a new job with higher pay and actual benefits, and can actually afford to catch up on my bills. With that in mind, I was also able to reflect on the things most disliked about me, and try to change them for the better. It would seem, though, that you all are too busy looking for monsters that you chalk personal growth up to manipulation. Quite frankly, that's not acceptable, in game or out. Do what you will, I think I'm actually done playing. One of you will recite rule 10 again, but not one of you will understand how difficult it has been as an autistic to try to make that change happen. Enjoy the rest of your game, genleman.
Suicide - Mobian
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I mean yh, no lynch is antitown, but what solid evidence for a mafia there do you as a no-lynch voter claiming to be town have?
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Sarcasm.
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Truth be told I've been tunneling Mobian all day ever since TorB pointed him out. I was just allowing some time for other ideas to enter the playing field before making it the focal point of discussion. Unfortunately they've been kind of a letdown.
And as ian already figured every other suggested lynch (other than w3 and Mobian) gives us almost no info beyond the flip itself. Now unlike ian, I think Mobian flipping actually gives us more info than w3 (makes the entirety of no-lynch train look much better). But that's not why I want him dead.
He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!
Now this may not seem like much, but this is not a town!Mobian post. town!Mobian would be about equally frustrated with each dead town more and not single out Espithel as the be-all-end-all. It's also ironic how Espithel promised to point a finger at Mobian today. In this context too "slow to point fingers" almost seems like gloating.
Also thanks for letting us now your thinking process on nking.
Additionally he seems to particularly strongly concerned with his survival (a little of it makes sense regardless of alignement, but hes reacting very early).
Furthermore he's hedging his read on w3. It seems he knows w3 is town and wants to take credit for "predicting" it, but he still wants to incite a strong enough suspicion to allow for him to get lynched.
Add to that the fact that he was already at the bottom of my PoE and I cant help but tunnel him.
Now, is this post a bit hyperbolic? certainly, but on Day 2 i doubt we can make any stronger case.
You may have killed espi, but the furry police is gonna get you for it:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506860354824044554/591467384435507200/FO0GljH.png)
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
blow
Press b to blow. You certainly did blow regardless of alignement.
I don't know how many times I have to say it. The. Past. Games. I. Was. In. A. Shitty. Personal. Space! This led to the stress and anxiety that I was experiencing in the real world to bleed over into this hot mess of a community. This time around, I just started a new job with higher pay and actual benefits, and can actually afford to catch up on my bills. With that in mind, I was also able to reflect on the things most disliked about me, and try to change them for the better. It would seem, though, that you all are too busy looking for monsters that you chalk personal growth up to manipulation. Quite frankly, that's not acceptable, in game or out. Do what you will, I think I'm actually done playing. One of you will recite rule 10 again, but not one of you will understand how difficult it has been as an autistic to try to make that change happen. Enjoy the rest of your game, genleman.
Suicide - Mobian
So you dont even bother explaining why espi in particular was that big a blow to us that you mentioned it when you didnt care about who got nked before much?
I mean, I miss him too, but we still got people we can work with.
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I will contribute what I need, when I feel it is necessary.
"So, not much."
...would be my answer, but I give you the benefit of the doubt and see if you increase your contributions.
There's a point where the game stops becoming fun and starts becoming too serious, I get that people that put a lot of activity and thought into it expect everyone else to do the same, but berating everyone who's not doing it kills the fun and does not motivate anyone to start contributing more. Stuff like checking profiles to see when people were last online and making it an important piece in your scumread is not doing anyone a favour.
However, I believe this behaviour is really town-like, just maybe a too invested town.
The No Lynch wagon definitely has a Mafia in it, like 100%, because solid evidence points to it. Consider that a law of nature, if you will. :^)
I don't have enough experience to be sure of it, but since in every mafia game I played in, no lynch is considered really bad, I choose to believe it. Given that shock and Espithel are both dead, this leaves Submachine, www3 and TorB left.
Submachine: Probably my biggest town read atm, comes up with plans and posts them constantly, and generally tries to get the town moving.
www3: I don't know if he's mafia or just extremely obnoxious, no lynch was his best way of avoiding the lynch once shock claimed Officer and everyone moved from shock to him.
TorB: I really like his posts, he's helpful, active and proactive, I don't agree with all of his reads, but that's not necessarily a bad sign. Town lean for now.
Out of these 3, the only one I don't have a town read on is www3, so because of this coupled with ian's plan I'll cast my vote on him for now, though I'm open to change my vote.
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
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No lynch wagon is more likely to be town. Mafia would want a lynch and it’s very easy to vote someone instead of no lynch as people seem to believe lynching is good cause InFoRmAtIoN
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I wanted to point out something, but I'll just wait until someone else notices it. If never, it will be funny.
Hint: It's on this page, unless my post is the first post on this page.
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Sarcasm.
I assume the prev post was a joke comment.
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I still dont have any strong scumread
one more vote for mobian
I believe he's 60-40 in favour of town BUT the people I suspect the most voted on him.If he dies and turns up town we might have a mafia or two.
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Alrighty then, time to make another post. In general, I feel the need to emphasize that I do not have much to add as long as posts are low on content or concrete scum read points. Or better yet, an actual defense for Mobian? So far, his sob story is the only defense, which has absolutely nothing to do with him being scum or not.
I agree with iancu that www in his current state should not live to see the endgame, otherwise he will be a distraction from other players. I prefer to not lynch him earlier than Day 3 though.
On Day 3, I will vote with you if we won't have a better option.
+1, with the additional sidenote of unless:
I would like to note that if (if!) Mobian flips mafia that means that w3 is almost always innocent
I find the w3 lynch orchestration reasoning to be kind of weak. How does this tell us significantly more than the lynch log of any other lynch to come? Just like Sub pointed out, now that I get the time to re-read everything. The entire w3 tunneling and lynch training mostly just started from w3 being w3...
Which might be a good enough reason if I had no concrete scum reads. I do.
Regarding dawn being active or not around the end of round... I am not particularly favorable about reading too much into it. I would only blame dawn for speaking a lie, if anything. The end of round activity was so explosive, it was almost impossible to casually catch up, let alone get in a reasonable argument.
But both the timing and truth behind it are lost one me, so continuing that argument only makes me think worse of all parties involved in that discussion. These are not the kind of points I like seeing as scum reads.
Now, with the latest vote of vaggy,
I still dont have any strong scumread
one more vote for mobian
I believe he's 60-40 in favour of town BUT the people I suspect the most voted on him.If he dies and turns up town we might have a mafia or two.
we get:
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
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Put my vote on submachine. I simply don't see where you guys are getting a town read
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Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
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@TorB Mobian tried to kill w3 last minute (and failed). Unless they decided to buss each other from the start, there is no way they are on the same team (unless both are villagers).
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@TorB Mobian tried to kill w3 last minute (and failed). Unless they decided to buss each other from the start, there is no way they are on the same team (unless both are villagers).
I guess I can agree that regardless of which one turns out to be maf, the other will be town. But that's all.
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Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
People left to vote: nel nai IW mob
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15 players are alive. 11 Town and 4 Mafia. It is currently Day 2.
Just some data. If we assume that the Nightkill won't fail, we won't allow No Lynch and noone gets modkilled, Town has 4 mislynches until a loss.
The 4th mislynch is the loss. If we bank on the current No Lynch list hiding at least one Mafia without the list actually hiding a Mafia, we get the following lineup:
D2: 11-4 to 10-4 - first mislynch (Mobian)
N2: 10-4 to 9-4
D3: 9-4 to 8-4 - second mislynch (www3)
N3: 8-4 to 7-4
D4: 7-4 to 6-4 - third mislynch (me or TorB)
N4: 6-4 to 5-4
D5: 5-4 to 4-4 - fourth mislynch = Mafia wins.
So until we have ACTUAL EVIDENCE that one of the No Lynchers is Mafia, I advise against following this lineup.
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As I said before the no lynch wagon is all town.
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panicking on day 2 OMEGALUL
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We can panic on Day 4 if you want, with two more Towns dead. Guess which one is wiser.
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Or we can not panic at all. Guess which one is wiser.
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No ones panicking. You assume people are panicking for no reason.
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Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
This vote is here to give Mobi some time to better defend himself
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Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
This vote is here to give Mobi some time to better defend himself
Why do you need to vote for him to defend when 1. He has 24 hours to be defending anyways and has already defended himself. 2. He still hasn’t voted and will probs vote me to make it equal anyways.
If you’re voting me because you scumread me, that’s fine. The reasoning you gave is BS.
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If you’re voting me because you scumread me, that’s fine. The reasoning you gave is BS.
Yeah, let's go with that
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so, you're scumreading him? Give your reasons then.
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Him being the 2nd person to jump onto the No Lynch train is a little concerning. While I understand that there is a chance he did it to save his own life, I also feel like there were some other scummy reasons to vote No Lynch on the first night.
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LOL
A scum has no reason to no lynch. I wonder if town are just dumb or if they’re mafia.
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If you’re voting me because you scumread me, that’s fine. The reasoning you gave is BS.
Yeah, let's go with that
I gotta say that this formulation is a bit weird. It's like you did the conclusion first and then made up a reason.
@w3 please stop saying stupid shit, it'll get you killed at this rate.
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Of the no lynch train, ordered by boarding time:
- shockcannon: confirmed town, self-preservation. But if that were all there was to it, he might as well have voted w3.
- worldwideweb3: self-preservation. But if that were all there was to it, he might as well have voted shock. He must have been genuinely thinking shock was town.
- Submachine:
I find the other options horrible if we count that dawn is not getting voted on.
He town read both shock and w3 - TheonlyrealBeef: two of my townreads, Submachine and Espithel, were considering a no-lynch, with a lack of conviction on my part of either shock or w3 being scum. No lynch seemed too controversial for this to be a trap or orchestration, so I sincerely believed they meant the best for town.
- Espithel:
Removing my vote. I need time to think.
We may be right in no-lynching here.
Can we agree on one thing, yeah?
We need to severely punish all the votes happening at the end of the day.
This level of chaos and inability to deliberate only benefits the mafia.
He likely town read both as well.
So I am personally of the conviction none of the no lynch train passengers were scum. Mafia was either too chicken to board the no lynch train, or would prefer to benefit from a dead town.
Even now, there is mafia voting for w3. This much is certain. I just have not yet ascertained whom, yet. But the fact they want w3 dead is all the reason I need for him to live.
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Ty Torb.
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I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
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I've requested a modkill for mulitple violations of General Rule #10. I will not be placing any votes, and even if Ginyu decides not to MK me, and I somehow survive the lynch, I'm still done. This will be my last post in mafia, as well. Enjoy your game.
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There has been no violation of any rule...
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You didnt have to take it personal. In the early phases there isnt a whole lot to go off, so we exagerate our reads. None of what I wrote was meant as a personal attack, at least no worse than what I would say to shockcannon.
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Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
The arguments for lynching ww3 seem to be that it'll implicate the people who voted for him last round if he's town. But wouldn't whoever we lynch this round also implicate the people who voted for them, if the lynch still flips town? And that way we can focus on someone who is more likely to be mafia rather than someone who reads town (at least to me). I think that lynching ww3 kinda overlaps info we got last round, especially since half the people voting for him this round are the same as last round, while voting for someone else gives us new connections and a completely different flip as well. (Am I using 'flip' right?)
I know voting Mobian right now might be unnecessary if he's killed anyway, but in case he's not. Mobian did seem rather suspicious, especially his recent turnaround on ww3, and as someone who hasn't seen him play before, the Espi post still seemed way over the top. No idea if that means anything now he's asking to be killed. Is it possibly just a rather dramatic form of reverse psychology? If so, I refuse to fall for it.
I'm also voting to keep the lead off ww3 right now. If we have to choose someone else, and no one has any better scumreads, maybe one of the ones voting for him. If Mobian is indeed mafia, then we're more likely to find others in the list on ww3. And that would still give us info regarding allegiances surrounding ww3 as well.
Him being the 2nd person to jump onto the No Lynch train is a little concerning. While I understand that there is a chance he did it to save his own life, I also feel like there were some other scummy reasons to vote No Lynch on the first night.
I dunno about the others who voted no lynch, but ww3 could have switched to shock to save himself, which seems much more helpful to mafia now we know shock was town. It could be trying to avoid suspicion, but seeing as people were already piling on him, I doubt it. I don't really buy this reasoning, sorry.
I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
Can you explain why?
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I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
It makes me town read you.
Here is an interesting thing: all the other people I suspect as mafia, are completely ignoring Mobian. They don't read him, they do not even talk about him or the effects of lynching him. All of them focus solely on the effects of lynching w3. They think it is too early to bus him, so none of them have mentioned him even once this round. This is a not very concrete read by omission, but you need to remember this post when I end up dead and am guaranteed town.
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All mentions of him after this post I just made obviously does not fall under that claim, just the ones before it now that mafia knows I am onto them.
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@Linkcat: Come in and explain your vote and vote change that you made yesterday.
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Make me.
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Make me.
Pwease Dwaddy Winkwat. OwO
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@Annele, I just see nothing unusual in his behaviour. That's just the way he is.
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Fwiw, I won’t be active at deadline so please try and get this sorted before. Will be on for another 2.5 hrs or so.
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w3 will be inactive at deadline, one more reason to lynch him :sillyspin:
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Hm, so we do nothing on dayend now? Obv I dont want to bring up sth completely new, but ironically i have to agree with my primescumread now. Naii, you should vote. (although I prefer the current state of the vote, since on success this gives us a confirmed villager that we would otherwise murder here, while the other way around that info is missing, so in addition to having the stronger scumread on the mutually exclusive Mobian, I like the potential highroll better here).
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w3 will be inactive at deadline, one more reason to lynch him :sillyspin:
Being inactive at deadline because that’s usually a good reason for people to not get lynched it seems :sillyspin:
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Should i create a tie again? :silly:
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It was just a question of time until the citizens started to claim each other for the recent incidents. Sonus has always been rather quiet, and three deaths happening in only two nights surely left a mark on everyone. Although most still don't feel comfortable with it, the majority agreed that actions needed to be taken, fast.
After everyone brought up their thoughts, suspiciouns and -more or less- proof, they decided to imprison one of their own. However, it was this exact moment when the noises suddenly came back, and before the arrested man could get away, someone just screamed, ran wildly after him and brutally smashed his head with a rock. The people just stared in deep shock, but not because of the murder that happened right in front of their eyes. The killed man's face began to deform, his mouth getting bigger, his eyes wider, his ears disappearing. What happened to him? He has been living here for decades, how could no one realize he was... different? What is this all about?
Mobian was lynched. He was a Whisperer Security Guard.
Night 2 started. There is no time left!
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Aaaaaaaaaaa
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Well ill go out on a limb and say w3 looks less sus now and sub looks more sus.
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Ha, knew it! I feel a lot better about myself now.
W3, welcome to my club of townreads, apologies for the Day1 pressure!
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O R C H E S T R A T E R
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Niiice, one down, three to go.
I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
It makes me town read you.
Here is an interesting thing: all the other people I suspect as mafia, are completely ignoring Mobian. They don't read him, they do not even talk about him or the effects of lynching him. All of them focus solely on the effects of lynching w3. They think it is too early to bus him, so none of them have mentioned him even once this round. This is a not very concrete read by omission, but you need to remember this post when I end up dead and am guaranteed town.
This read just became a lot more concrete, there is the dilemma of WIFOM, but I highly suspect 2 or 3 of Calindu, PlayerOa and dawn to dusk to be mafia.
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Niiice, one down, three to go.
I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
It makes me town read you.
Here is an interesting thing: all the other people I suspect as mafia, are completely ignoring Mobian. They don't read him, they do not even talk about him or the effects of lynching him. All of them focus solely on the effects of lynching w3. They think it is too early to bus him, so none of them have mentioned him even once this round. This is a not very concrete read by omission, but you need to remember this post when I end up dead and am guaranteed town.
This read just became a lot more concrete, there is the dilemma of WIFOM, but I highly suspect 2 or 3 of Calindu, PlayerOa and dawn to dusk to be mafia.
Agreed
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Niiice, one down, three to go.
I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
It makes me town read you.
Here is an interesting thing: all the other people I suspect as mafia, are completely ignoring Mobian. They don't read him, they do not even talk about him or the effects of lynching him. All of them focus solely on the effects of lynching w3. They think it is too early to bus him, so none of them have mentioned him even once this round. This is a not very concrete read by omission, but you need to remember this post when I end up dead and am guaranteed town.
This read just became a lot more concrete, there is the dilemma of WIFOM, but I highly suspect 2 or 3 of Calindu, PlayerOa and dawn to dusk to be mafia.
I honestly didn't believe Mobian would ask for himself to get modkilled if he were mafia, and I do realize this turn of events make me look suspicious.
Therefore I would like to request a gunsmith check. I do not possess a weapon.
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I would include weeaboo in that list, although he might just easily be fooled.
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Niiice, one down, three to go.
I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
It makes me town read you.
Here is an interesting thing: all the other people I suspect as mafia, are completely ignoring Mobian. They don't read him, they do not even talk about him or the effects of lynching him. All of them focus solely on the effects of lynching w3. They think it is too early to bus him, so none of them have mentioned him even once this round. This is a not very concrete read by omission, but you need to remember this post when I end up dead and am guaranteed town.
This read just became a lot more concrete, there is the dilemma of WIFOM, but I highly suspect 2 or 3 of Calindu, PlayerOa and dawn to dusk to be mafia.
Agreed
To clarify I don’t agree w town read on Ian but agree on sus on the other three.
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May I ask doc to protect me pls. Or you know, double fool the maf and protect kae or torb. You decide but I don’t wanna die so early q.q
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Part of why I am throwing all three names out now, is in case I get NK-ed for my vindictiveness against Mobian. Only one maf can be lynched per round, so gunsmiths and the officer may intervene when they feel necessary, while going for the one most of town agrees with at a time.
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Also kae and link cud bus on mobian. I wouldn’t rule that scenario out yet.
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I really didn’t believe in any of them being mafia.
(I am most likely still right about www.)
I realized he did a poor roleplay job at points, but his breakdown felt real to me.
(Using autism as defense, I mean, come on.)
There is one other person who felt like doing a similar roleplay job, Calindu.
(Will post quotes when not on phone.)
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really, you still want to suspect me? I dont think the lynch would have gone through without me and with how much work I've already put in you'd just lynch me when you realize that I somehow still havent been nked (I'm aware that unprovoked bussing is a thing, but I doubt I'd do it day 2, especially on a role that allows one of the members to claim unarmed and gunsmith checks just fail.). But feel free to keep an open mind, I'm not getting lynched any time soon. Still not sure on Link entirely. Dude gotta give his reasons!
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Ok time to update the lynchlog:
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Quoting this so it's easier to find.
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Also, requesting doc and gunsmith to target me tonight. I assume gunsmith used ability N0 and now they can use it again.
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Also, requesting doc and gunsmith to target me tonight. I assume gunsmith used ability N0 and now they can use it again.
I honestly didn't believe Mobian would ask for himself to get modkilled if he were mafia, and I do realize this turn of events make me look suspicious.
Therefore I would like to request a gunsmith check. I do not possess a weapon.
Trying to coup my way of redeeming myself after scoring high on people's scum-o-meter :(
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Can i request scum reads from people?
i would like a scum list from w3, iancu, playeroa, sub, and Linkcat.
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Okay, Calindu doesn't have much posts, so I try to do a breakdown on all of them.
- A joke post about dicerolls determining who mafia is. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291412/#msg1291412) Not indicative of alignment.
- Responding to whether making any noise is good or bad. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291483/#msg1291483) This was our first discussion point at the time, so fair enough.
- Responding to who the Officer should target and stating that the endphase frenzy is bad. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291554/#msg1291554) At this point, I was happy that people were discussing the possibilities, so I did not think much of it.
- His response to www's questions. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291637/#msg1291637)
- Him defending me in response to MW. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291680/#msg1291680)
- Him voting on www after I pointed out that he hadn't answered his own questions. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291761/#msg1291761)
- Removing his vote from www after he answered the RQS, then pressuring the most inactive person. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291766/#msg1291766)
- Voting on www after shock's Officer claim (when shock had 4 more votes than www), saying that shock is either mafia or a power role. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291842/#msg1291842)
- Speaking up on my request. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292027/#msg1292027) He addresses a lot of points here.
- Responding to my grouping attempt on vag/him/Annele, saying he doesn't think Espi used his ability, calling out www for not explaining his action, and a way to follow my Officer hiding Day plan. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292182/#msg1292182)
- Calmly responding to what he doesn't like about my standards. Accepting my sarcasm post and going with it while also adding his reads on the people in the No Lynch wagon. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292271/#msg1292271) This is my favorite post. A few people did not notice that it was a joke post, but Calindu was the only one who went with it without questioning it.
- A vote on www without explanation. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292281/#msg1292281)
Reading his posts one by one and out of context, they don't stand out much. His posts stood out to me at first, because I was involved in almost all of them (2,3,5,6,9,10,11). Maybe I was the loudest at the time and my posts were easier to find and respond to, but it still felt weird how his posts almost always had me in them. Post 6 was a result of something I pointed out. Pressuring the inactives in his post 7 was also something I highly advised, though this could have been because of Espithel.
It was around Post 7 where I also noticed that he's saying stuff I would say if I was Mafia. (Not gonna point these out for future preservation. :P) So I had minor suspicion on him, I even narrowed down one Mafia to be among vaggy/him/Annele. No big deal. But then Post 11 happened.
In Post 11, he went with my joke post without considering it to be false. Kae and TorB also didn't notice that it was a joke post and they also read me as Town, but they stopped to question it. I believe that Calindu would not make this mistake if he was playing honestly, and it feels like a good excuse to just go for it. A few of his other posts also followed this mentality, which feel off to me.
Okay, I should address the elephant in the room. His biggest townread is me, so by scumreading him, I am also discrediting myself. He first mentioned his townread on me in post 5, but at that point, other people already stated their townreads on me, so blending in was possible.
Other people have posted while I was putting this together, hang on.
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I like to think I'm better at townreading than scumreading... but sure!
d2d, Insig, Cal and Link. w3 neutral-
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EBWOP I don't have time to do reasonings on everyone atm, but feel free to ask for more details and I'll respond whenever I can get to it
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ian is higher on my scum-o-meter, not sure what the doc is supposed to be good for though. It doesnt block security guard and experimental trap and mafia just lost one of those anyway. And its not like gunsmith will publicly clear you and get themselves killed for it, so you will not be officially confirmed in some time so you are not a prioritykill.
Btw is noisemaking night tonight? Or do we not want to raid?
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I wanted to come out with a Gunsmith plan for this Night, but I see players are already proposing themselves for a check. I will shortly outline the plan at the end of this post, but I don't think it will happen tonight.
Is there anyone who is scumreading ian? Or anyone who's not townreading him? I don't oppose him (or me) getting investigated, but clearing up someone neutral (PlayerOa) or scummy (endpost spoiler) feels to have more value. If the majority doesn't townread him, then okay.
I wanted to ask a Musician or Drug Dealer (roles who can intentionally make noise) to reveal if they think they are scummy or at the scummy-neutral end of reads. The gunsmith would check them tonight, while they would also make noise. This would prove both their primary and secondary roles.
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EBWOP
If the majority doesn't townread him, then okay.
By this, I mean it's okay to investigate him.
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Is there anyone who is scumreading ian?
ian is higher on my scum-o-meter,
Kaempfer is a ninja. >_>
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Having someone make noise, does not prove they have a noise-making role. They could be fail-haunting.
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I will provide a scumread list after this night. I still have to figure some stuff out.
ALSO, 48 HOUR NIGHT PHASES AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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really, you still want to suspect me? I dont think the lynch would have gone through without me and with how much work I've already put in you'd just lynch me when you realize that I somehow still havent been nked (I'm aware that unprovoked bussing is a thing, but I doubt I'd do it day 2, especially on a role that allows one of the members to claim unarmed and gunsmith checks just fail.). But feel free to keep an open mind, I'm not getting lynched any time soon. Still not sure on Link entirely. Dude gotta give his reasons!
I’ll always be skeptical of good players. You and link are good enuf to bus a fellow player and win the game that way. Take it as a complement really.
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Also, requesting doc and gunsmith to target me tonight. I assume gunsmith used ability N0 and now they can use it again.
Doc, do not target Ian.
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lol
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really, you still want to suspect me? I dont think the lynch would have gone through without me and with how much work I've already put in you'd just lynch me when you realize that I somehow still havent been nked (I'm aware that unprovoked bussing is a thing, but I doubt I'd do it day 2, especially on a role that allows one of the members to claim unarmed and gunsmith checks just fail.). But feel free to keep an open mind, I'm not getting lynched any time soon. Still not sure on Link entirely. Dude gotta give his reasons!
I’ll always be skeptical of good players. You and link are good enuf to bus a fellow player and win the game that way. Take it as a complement really.
Imma put myself in that category too so don’t rule me out as mafia yet :sillyspin:
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w3, good mafia player.
Pick one.
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Can i request scum reads from people?
i would like a scum list from w3, iancu, playeroa, sub, and Linkcat.
My list is the same as whatever w3's is.
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Having someone make noise, does not prove they have a noise-making role. They could be fail-haunting.
If they Haunt, then they are Mafia and the Gunsmith will find them to be lying.
i would like a scum list from w3, iancu, playeroa, sub, and Linkcat.
High Town
1. TheonlyrealBeef. Everyone forgot that he was the first one to request investigation.
2. iancudorinmarian. He requested a Gunsmith confirmation earlier than any sane Mafia member would do.
Lower Town
3. PlayerOa. This is a recent ranking change. He is also one of the non-weapon holders. He was Neutral before.
4. worldwideweb3. He's the top poster, which would be very risky as Mafia. I also townread his response of not answering the RQS (I made a post about this). He recently haven't been of use lately, and I considered voting him out to avoid the tunneling that happened in last game, but what happened last phase justifies all of this.
5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.
6. kaempfer13. Almost at Neutral Plus, but his sheer amount of contributions allow him to be part of my Lower Town reads. He's not higher, because I believe he can play the same style as both Town and Mafia.
Neutral Plus
7. InsignificantWeeaboo. He shared information about his role at an interesting point. It felt like he was either suffering from information withdrawal or he was trying to hint us towards a plan.
The "Do they even play in this game?" category
8. Linkcat
9. Naii_the_Baf
Neutral Minus
10. Annele
11. vagman13
11. Calindu
11. dawn to dusk
Treat the bottom of Neutral Minus as my scumreads. These reads were barely affected by the last few hours. The only recent change is PlayerOa, and the last change before that was dawn dropping from Neutral to Neutral Minus.
Stop posting, I want to post this. Guys, stop for a hot second.
2 New Replies.
Okay 3 New Replies.
LINK, BAD TIMING!
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Scum: link
Town: rest
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Having someone make noise, does not prove they have a noise-making role. They could be fail-haunting.
If they Haunt, then they are Mafia and the Gunsmith will find them to be lying.
i would like a scum list from w3, iancu, playeroa, sub, and Linkcat.
High Town
1. TheonlyrealBeef. Everyone forgot that he was the first one to request investigation.
2. iancudorinmarian. He requested a Gunsmith confirmation earlier than any sane Mafia member would do.
Lower Town
3. PlayerOa. This is a recent ranking change. He is also one of the non-weapon holders. He was Neutral before.
4. worldwideweb3. He's the top poster, which would be very risky as Mafia. I also townread his response of not answering the RQS (I made a post about this). He recently haven't been of use lately, and I considered voting him out to avoid the tunneling that happened in last game, but what happened last phase justifies all of this.
5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.
6. kaempfer13. Almost at Neutral Plus, but his sheer amount of contributions allow him to be part of my Lower Town reads. He's not higher, because I believe he can play the same style as both Town and Mafia.
Neutral Plus
7. InsignificantWeeaboo. He shared information about his role at an interesting point. It felt like he was either suffering from information withdrawal or he was trying to hint us towards a plan.
The "Do they even play in this game?" category
8. Linkcat
9. Naii_the_Baf
Neutral Minus
10. Annele
11. vagman13
11. Calindu
11. dawn to dusk
Treat the bottom of Neutral Minus as my scumreads. These reads were barely affected by the last few hours. The only recent change is PlayerOa, and the last change before that was dawn dropping from Neutral to Neutral Minus.
Stop posting, I want to post this. Guys, stop for a hot second.
2 New Replies.
Okay 3 New Replies.
LINK, BAD TIMING!
Aaaaa so much wrong w this
Will say when I’m back on laptop
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Lower Town
5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.
Alright, I would like to inquire about this.
You say i am jumpy. I was jumpy last game. I would say im pretty laxed this game. Im still discovering my role and how it really works.
You say i made mistakes. Emphasis on the S. I made one mistake that i can see and its not even that big of a mistake. I revealed when i was going to use my role. Could you inform me of the other mistakes?
Lastly you say if i had others tell me what to do, i wouldnt be so jumpy.
First of all, how dare you?
Secondly, if i was mafia, I have a pretty clear idea on how i would play and it wouldnt be doing what the rest of them tell me to.
The last part might make me look scummy but idc, i am going to defend my image of not being a sheep. Would a sheep be able to root out a secret circle of power nested in the EtG playerbase? Absolutely not.
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This whole last post is a jump. Nothing is calm about it.
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Lower Town
5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.
Alright, I would like to inquire about this.
You say i am jumpy. I was jumpy last game. I would say im pretty laxed this game. Im still discovering my role and how it really works.
You say i made mistakes. Emphasis on the S. I made one mistake that i can see and its not even that big of a mistake. I revealed when i was going to use my role. Could you inform me of the other mistakes?
Lastly you say if i had others tell me what to do, i wouldnt be so jumpy.
First of all, how dare you?
Secondly, if i was mafia, I have a pretty clear idea on how i would play and it wouldnt be doing what the rest of them tell me to.
The last part might make me look scummy but idc, i am going to defend my image of not being a sheep. Would a sheep be able to root out a secret circle of power nested in the EtG playerbase? Absolutely not.
Fam he read you as town calm down.
Plus it’s just subs reads who cares :silly:
Plus you asked for his reads.
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Everything after the "[ hr ]" was sarcasm/satire
I really only care about the mistakes but you can reveal those after the game.
FWIW my shitty scum read on sub is dying down. I have no scum read to replace it with. I only have town reads and i only have a couple.
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The last part might make me look scummy but idc, i am going to defend my image of not being a sheep. Would a sheep be able to root out a secret circle of power nested in the EtG playerbase? Absolutely not.
Yet you could not see the mafia others could and have no scum reads, hmmm... :silly:
Having someone make noise, does not prove they have a noise-making role. They could be fail-haunting.
If they Haunt, then they are Mafia and the Gunsmith will find them to be lying.
Right, as long as the gunsmith is town. I look for flaws in all plans, but that's the only thing that came to mind. Cannot be all bad. But how to do this? As soon as someone roleclaims, they should count on their role being taken by haunt, which has top priority. So no sound will be made. Is simply checking weapons of people with no-weapon claims not good enough in itself? I still feel like having a small pool of people to pick from for weaponsmith is the best way to go. They should pick their own targets based on those claims, to mitigate the risk of a mafia agent sniffing them out with hide.
I have not been sharing a lot of plans since I find there to be flaws in most, primarily the fact that they all require us to either assume someone is town, or to lynch officer/gunsmith to prove them right. Consequently, if one of those is threatened to die by lynch, they should reveal everything and let themselves be lynched. Makes their statements trustworthy and gives us useful intel. But steering towards getting them lynched on purpose is just a really bad idea right now.
3. PlayerOa. This is a recent ranking change. He is also one of the non-weapon holders. He was Neutral before.
The only recent change is PlayerOa, and the last change before that was dawn dropping from Neutral to Neutral Minus.
Right, his defense has been solid so far, and he was one of the main reasons I suspected all three of them being mafia would be too good to be true. So I will let that rest, for now. There are two heavier scum reads from me and a lot can happen in two days.
Just one question for PlayerOa: why was Mobian not mentioned in any of your posts last day, despite there being several people voting to lynch him? At least ian considered him, for example.
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Just one question for PlayerOa: why was Mobian not mentioned in any of your posts last day, despite there being several people voting to lynch him? At least ian considered him, for example.
Because I genuinely felt bad for him, and I didn't want to stir the drama pot more than necessary. I've come to realize not commenting it at all smells somewhat scummy, though. Fair play.
Also, as I have previously stated - although we'll never get to know the PM exchange between Ginyu and Mobian, I really didn't think he'd ask for a modkill as mafia, effectively throwing for his maf teammates. That's some next level bussing.
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We have to consider that the gunsmith has a good chance of being behind schedule now that Mobian flipped guard. there was plenty of motivation to target Sub to block the gunsmith on N0.
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Mobians modkill request should be ignored in the grander scheme of mafia. Speaking to him privately, that post had nothing to do with this mafia specifically necessarily, but more personal reasons. I digress from it and the rest of us should too.
Now, to offer something, here is my town read in order form most town to least town.
kaempfer13, w3, vagman, TorB.
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Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?
Friendly Neighbor, Policeman or Warden?
I would like to hear iancu’s opinion too on this.
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WAIT IM TYPING
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Having someone make noise, does not prove they have a noise-making role. They could be fail-haunting.
If they Haunt, then they are Mafia and the Gunsmith will find them to be lying.
i would like a scum list from w3, iancu, playeroa, sub, and Linkcat.
High Town
1. TheonlyrealBeef. Everyone forgot that he was the first one to request investigation.
2. iancudorinmarian. He requested a Gunsmith confirmation earlier than any sane Mafia member would do.
Lower Town
3. PlayerOa. This is a recent ranking change. He is also one of the non-weapon holders. He was Neutral before.
4. worldwideweb3. He's the top poster, which would be very risky as Mafia. I also townread his response of not answering the RQS (I made a post about this). He recently haven't been of use lately, and I considered voting him out to avoid the tunneling that happened in last game, but what happened last phase justifies all of this.
5. MasterWalks. I only have a weaker case for MW. He's making mistakes and moves that I think come from information withdrawal. If he had others to tell him what to do, I don't think he would be as jumpy.
6. kaempfer13. Almost at Neutral Plus, but his sheer amount of contributions allow him to be part of my Lower Town reads. He's not higher, because I believe he can play the same style as both Town and Mafia.
Neutral Plus
7. InsignificantWeeaboo. He shared information about his role at an interesting point. It felt like he was either suffering from information withdrawal or he was trying to hint us towards a plan.
The "Do they even play in this game?" category
8. Linkcat
9. Naii_the_Baf
Neutral Minus
10. Annele
11. vagman13
11. Calindu
11. dawn to dusk
Treat the bottom of Neutral Minus as my scumreads. These reads were barely affected by the last few hours. The only recent change is PlayerOa, and the last change before that was dawn dropping from Neutral to Neutral Minus.
Stop posting, I want to post this. Guys, stop for a hot second.
2 New Replies.
Okay 3 New Replies.
LINK, BAD TIMING!
Link to post where ian asked to be checked by gunsmith?
MW is either nub town or a mafia. i dont know which just yet. He could acc be mafia.
If I could have my pick of mafia allies, it'd be MW, WWW3, and Linkcat.
interesting post, make whatever you want of it.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
My first proper note. Now was i a mafia bussing mobian hard to be townread by everyone or was i just a lucky town? ill leave that to you. Surprised no one pointed out how hard i went on mobian on first day. We should have killed mafia day 1 but no one listens owo
We only have half the votes in, too. There's no role like graboid in this version, so there's no reason to not vote!
This means most mafia had voted by then probs. people who had voted can be seen in my above quote. tbf tho i wouldnt take this too seriously.
List of people who answered rqs so i dont have to go back and get it: link, torb, kae, sub, cal, anelle, oA, ian, espi, mob, vag, MW.
Mobian was my scum read. Ffs are people not reading my posts or what
A self appreciation quote q.q
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
I don’t believe shock to be mafia, but I need to save myself because town are stupid.
Calling shock as town again. Am i just a mafia knowing everyones roles at the end of day? you decide q.q
I really wanted a mob lynch but people don’t wanna follow. I said don’t make it a two way :facepalm:
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
dawn is likely asleep right now and I heavily disagree on making a bandwagon on him right now
All the this, and I really don't see him as scummy.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA dawn mafia incoming
Anelle is town. No way is she going to hammer mobian with the last vote when voting on me was a good option too in the eyes of most of the town.
Reading through the thread and I need to clear up something. According to the forum click, 1 hour before deadline for me is 3am. I was sleeping at 3am.
I have no electricity at the moment so I'm unable to post much
No power?? Everything ok?
Make what you will.
Slight mafia read on dawn.
This is interesting.
More incoming dont want a big post
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So as for now, you lean both scum and town, but you have sus. If i was to right out a scum read, you would appear on it twice.
When talking about mob. tryna save him while being able to claim "i said he was scum" at the same time aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
I'm willing to bet at least two people who voted on no-lynch are scum. Annele and vagbuddy are probably town. A mafia wouldn't stick to an officer claim, even if it's shock doing that claim.
Now that shock and Espi are dead, there are only www3, Sub and TorB left there. Out of the three, w3 is the most scummy of them all imo. I have a slight town read on Sub and neutral read on Torb atm.
I still hold my opinion that both shock and w3 have to be dead by Day 2. If w3 turns out to be town, that most likely means at least one of TorB/Sub and 2-3 of MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian are mafia. I also think d2d is likely mafia as well. If he is indeed scum like I think he is, that gives us even more information.
Either way, w3 dying would give us a lot of information no matter what his alignment turns out to be.
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Just wanna point out this post bad cause torb sub and me all town owo
Ohh and I like the sound of Sub's new idea of townclaiming. If I'm officer, the following statement is true as I have done my first investigation by now. If I'm not the officer, this is merely a simple townread without any more substance.
kaempfer13 is town.
The idea was horrible in hindsight. Mafia could be making all the claims and then when officer made a claim, they know its a officer. Dont know if maf did go down that route, because if so Oa youre in troubleeeeeeeeee.
Ohh and I like the sound of Sub's new idea of townclaiming. If I'm officer, the following statement is true as I have done my first investigation by now. If I'm not the officer, this is merely a simple townread without any more substance.
kaempfer13 is town.
I say this exact same thing.
MW is in troubleeeeeeeeee toooooo.
if we dont find a maf this phase, we are gonna be 4 town down. More if maf has a kill role too.
Okay, that's exactly the card Sub pulled two mafias ago. We were at do-or-die stage and he was the most desperate one out of all, when he was scum "WE HAVE TO LYNCH MAFIA NOW OR WE LOSE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA". You're pulling that card waaaaaay to early to be town. Like c'mon dude, it's just day 2.
@others, help me lynch w3.
I'd love to, but I don't think he's dirty. I'm on the fence regarding Insig and Naii though.
Dunno if mob wasnt voting me cause i am maf :sillyspin: or if he was trying to play the "told ya www3 was town" card. Idk what to make of his insig naii comment.
"We'll lynch w3 later" is a joke. I've seen how this "lynching later" works. The person gets ignored and gets to live up to lategame. The same thing happened with shock last game, and what happened? Town lost.
As I've said, no matter what alignment w3 turns out to be, we still get info. w3's "You'll get no information from lynching me" is like a chicken saying "don't kill and cook me, I won't be tasty at all". I'd also like to remind you all that we're playing "mafia", not "survivor".
See, this is the main problem with mafia in this forum. If the person that comes up with the plan isn't like Link, Root, dd tier, it gets ignored. So far, nobody pointed any drawbacks in lynching w3, only that they have "better ideas". If your better idea is lynching someone that gives little to no info, then suit yourself.
Lynching:
- Mobian - w3 is most likely town if Mobian is mafia. Congratulations, you confirmed 1 civvy and got no other info. If Mobian is town, you get nothing.
- vagbuddy - literally no info regardless of his alignment
- d2d - Town? Congratulations, you get nothing. Mafia? Maaaaaaybe you can analyze some orchestration going on to save him, but he wasn't really in all that much danger of being lynched..
Iancu senpaiiiiiiiiiiiii get ya act togetherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Bad Oa very bad
Part 3 incoming
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Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
I do want to point a finger (https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Finger_of_Suspicion) at Sub, leading mass votes against people who are unable to defend themselves at the end of a phase, especially after what happened last mafia, is super scummy to me. Especially at a time when a lot of people are panicking, it's easy to o r c h e s t r a t e something like this.
AAAAAAAA says bad stuff about sub and votes me aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Put my vote on submachine. I simply don't see where you guys are getting a town read
Weird vote. Almost as if he didnt wanna vote mob because its his teammate and didnt wanna vote me incase mob died and flipped maf cause it would make him look bad.
As I said before the no lynch wagon is all town.
For reference again.
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
This vote is here to give Mobi some time to better defend himself
Wat is this post. i called it out before and time to call it out again.
Torb is a hard town rn. And he is playing very well. GOOD JOB TORB YOU GET AN APPRECIATION COMMENT FROM ME ENJOY OWO MAYBE ILL SPEED UP YOUR GM BATTLE.
I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
I will i will
I like to think I'm better at townreading than scumreading... but sure!
d2d, Insig, Cal and Link. w3 neutral-
Oa d2d interaction is spicyyyyyyyyyyyy
I will provide a scumread list after this night. I still have to figure some stuff out.
ALSO, 48 HOUR NIGHT PHASES AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I would like it before the night phase ends please if possible.
SUMMARY: ANELLE AND TORB ARE HARD TOWN.
Kae is probs town but hes germans and germans have a great brain so he could be a brilliant mafia.
Link: DAWDY
Sub: probably town but really needs to dump all his plans LOL
Oa d2d MW insig are interesting people to kill. Will find stuff if we kill them.
I wouldn't kill cal just yet.
Iancuuuuuu senpaiiiiiiiiiii your sharingan is weaker than my rinnegan owo
i dont know what to make of nutkick guy and fabian.
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Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?
Friendly Neighbor, Policeman or Warden?
I would like to hear iancu’s opinion too on this.
Since it's a 1U, do you think it's worth jumping straight on to one of those roles? If we save Grave Robber, then we essentially have a backup Officer or Gunsmith in case one of them gets NKed (or god forbid, lynched). That is, of course, assuming GR is town and doesn't die before either of those two.
Essentially my question is would it be more beneficial for town to have one of those abilities back now, or to keep GR as a fail safe?
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Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?
Friendly Neighbor, Policeman or Warden?
I would like to hear iancu’s opinion too on this.
Since it's a 1U, do you think it's worth jumping straight on to one of those roles? If we save Grave Robber, then we essentially have a backup Officer or Gunsmith in case one of them gets NKed (or god forbid, lynched). That is, of course, assuming GR is town and doesn't die before either of those two.
Essentially my question is would it be more beneficial for town to have one of those abilities back now, or to keep GR as a fail safe?
Agreed, probs best to wait. Tho friendly neighbour isnt bad. The other two arent worth going for.
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First of all, thank you w3 for writing this out. I havent been as invested in this mafia as i have the others and this compilation of important posts helps me a ton.
Put my vote on submachine. I simply don't see where you guys are getting a town read
Weird vote. Almost as if he didnt wanna vote mob because its his teammate and didnt wanna vote me incase mob died and flipped maf cause it would make him look bad.
Just to address this, I am not smart enough to think of something like that. My thought process in mafia is not "if X flips town then Y is mafia" and it never really crosses my mind. I just listen to everyone else when they say stuff like this cause sheep.
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I think he meant undertaker. If he didn't:
The fuck Submachine? This is the 4th plan you made that is just awfull!
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Oh I missed someone out on the list.
Www3: defo mafia lmao.
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As long as everyone makes no sound at night, policeman is junk. Friendly neighbour... not really worth it. Security guard is better for scum, so let's not.
I think he meant undertaker. If he didn't:
The fuck Submachine? This is the 4th plan you made that is just awfull!
Thinking plans through pays off. The frequency of these plans make me hope for that it is just not well thought out.
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I think he meant undertaker. If he didn't:
The fuck Submachine? This is the 4th plan you made that is just awfull!
Undertaker makes more sense. Friendly neighbour is definitely the best of the three in that case.
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Mobians modkill request should be ignored in the grander scheme of mafia. Speaking to him privately, that post had nothing to do with this mafia specifically necessarily, but more personal reasons. I digress from it and the rest of us should too.
Now, to offer something, here is my town read in order form most town to least town.
kaempfer13, w3, vagman, TorB.
Whys vaggy there
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Ok, time to update the lynchlog:
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
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Mobians modkill request should be ignored in the grander scheme of mafia. Speaking to him privately, that post had nothing to do with this mafia specifically necessarily, but more personal reasons. I digress from it and the rest of us should too.
Now, to offer something, here is my town read in order form most town to least town.
kaempfer13, w3, vagman, TorB.
Whys vaggy there
Because this is his first Mafia game ever and he is acting like its his first mafia game ever. He is not acting like mafia imo.
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Isn’t it weird that link has never given a reason for his votes and no one has been as aggro w him compared to when I don’t give reasons owo it’s not fair I want same rights just cause he’s dawdy he gets away
Or maybe people just like cats who knows
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Readlist (in order of names at the top):
everything he does is pretty Nai and its very little. A fair enough inactivity lynch, but I found nothing that moves the needle either way.
If we got nothing better to do he's the top inactivity lynch. Absolutely nothing usefull here.
What she says is sound and comes from someone who struggles to keep up with the thread. I need more but I wouldnt lynch her any time soon with the current information.
Agree with everything he said so far. he doesnt go the extramile, but ill give an n+ for now.
I see no inconsistency with his behavior last time, even if the jokes arent exactly helpfull. he explained his inactivity with sleep schedule and he was also busy being about to die in puzzle plight as well (and he really wasnt that inactive after all, just had awkward easily explainable timing for being offline). The pushes on him seem to be part joke, part taking offense in him making jokes, part people thinking he was inactive and then not removing their vote in some time (also people remembering him being voted up and just voting him for that reason)? I see no reason to go for him, but I think we should look at the people that voted him (depending on timeframe voting him can speak for either alignement).
decently active and makes sure we dont missunderstand the rules. Townread. Just kidding.
He wrote a fair bit of things, but i can't form a read out of them.
Ah shit, here we go. i probably have the best shot at reading him so i shouldn't half-ass this. I think he's exactly officer or mafia. Him mentioning me as his primeread as both mafia and town, does seem like a telegraph of having used observe and awaiting results of investigate (I don't believe he actually targeted me btw).
I also cryptically mentioned that wanting a no lynch is ironically towny for him, since its consistent with his mindset from last game. He thinks lynching town is always a mistake and doesnt acknowledge the info we get out of a flip that people voted for (and the wagon they didnt vote for).
I have yet to decipher his final post (isnt that against the rules?).
Everything else he said would be kinda scummy if he were anyone else, but its mostly the things he didnt say that make him sus (why so out of character man? obv bc hes officer or mafia)
Most of the things he said seem to try and help town. i especially like his stance in voting, not killing of dawn in absence and not no-lynching.
huh, I didnt realize he posted as much as he did, his posts are kinda forgettable. I'm a little surprised by him wanting mw on his mafia team? cant really make anything out of that either though. there are some usefull things he did like getting people to vote. I'll stick to null here.
He wears his heart on his sleeve. Honestly, the mere fact that he doesn't seem to follow an agenda is enough for me to townread him. He finds everything people say suspicious so dont put too much weight on his reads.
The most suspicious thing about him is that he seems to good for a first time player lol. I like everything he says.
Don't like the sheer volume of completely random votes. is he testing if anyone bites?
Said he was confirmable by gunsmith. agreed on sub being town fast.
said he missunderstood whisperer as its own secondary role. could be an act though. agree on his early stance on optimal play for officer. Yes, I read his posts backwards. and my read in total is null.
Alright, picking up where i left off:
First thing I noted is that he seems to insists on being the first person to cast a third vote against a person, usually with no reason given. he did that last time as mafia too.
Requesting shitposts doesnt help, but is within his habit of playing unnecessary minigames.
Openly defends sub as the first person to do so. Also puts me as town (well, true). I dont like his votes at all. Townreads TorB. then gives the following reads matching and adding to his previous:
Town: TorB, MW, Sub, w3, shock, kaempfer
Sus: Espi, Mobian
I would like an explanation especially on his suspects (I largely agree on his townreads), but it seems connected to EoD actions.
I'm not confident on giving a read yet.
I know where i stand.
I like almost everything he says (still not sold on no-lynch, but fine). Some early joke votes. way more helpfull than he would need to be as mafia (tbf hes not getting tunneled this time).
He joined my push on w3 for the same reasons while also telling w3 what to do to help town. As scum he could've pushed a misslynch here, but his motivations look towny to me.
He shaded me a bit, but I dont believe in OMGUS (and I was probably not the best person to push just to get a lynch in as I'm acting as towny as i can imo, so no real motivation for scum to shade me in particular). Oh yh, I found him getting upset with w3 towny too.
I'm not confident enough to give him a full townread, simply because its Espi, but he's done way enough for n+.
Obv my townread was based on him asking for gunsmithcheck. Let's see if that is enough to hold up after isoing (sigh, he posted more than I did).
Recalling that staying out of arguments used to be mafias winning strategy. Sure.
Horrible officer strat. He thought he was everyones topscumread after the fact (leading to gunsmith).
Opens discussion for optimal officer targets to give sth to talk about.
Some shit posts.
He speculated on shocks role for a bit.
His panic in voting phase seems to have been triggered the most by shocks officerclaim, slight townpoints there as we want officer to be alive.
Slight shade on dawn and people protecting him. I think thats fairly irrelevant due to d2d being asleep at the time.
Given that i dont find anything scummy here I'll give small townpoints for sheer volume of usefull discussion.
Now , how do I see my previous scumread. My view on him improved, but let's see if it's enough to put him above the neutral line (which is about as scummy as it gets for my reads atm).
Funny how his intial predictions are one off of ians diceroll again.
requesting doc protection. NAI tbh.
Its N0. can we stop posting so much? kthnx.
... worldwideweb3(93)
horrible advice btw, so i am glad you posted more after all.
There is the rqs which i found poorly planned out and potentially scummy. my real issue was how uncooperative he was though.
poor explanations for reads.
fair point about mobian not acting like he used too as town.
I like his reactions during voting phase, keeping haunt in mind under pressure (tbf mafia would be more likely to remember it and not claim), but his type of panic seemed towny to me. Obv with the only other lynch option being an officer claim no lynch was his only logical option as town. as mafia he could have gone for shock or even dawn.
He also looks better and more articulated today with valid reasons and clarifications. we made fairly clear we lynch him otherwise though.
Still not sure if I should put him at n+ just yet.
Townlean (v):
TheonlyrealBeef
Submachine
PlayerOa
MasterWalks
n+:
Annele
Calindu
shockcannon unstable slot (considering his breadcrumps I think officer is more likely, even though per default he would be 4 times more likely to be mafia than officer)
Espithel
n:
Naii_the_Baf
InsignificantWeeaboo
dawn to dusk
vagman13
Mobian
iancudorinmarian
Linkcat
worldwideweb3
New reads:
Townlean (v):
TheonlyrealBeef
Annele
PlayerOa
MasterWalks
n+:
worldwideweb3
Submachine
iancudorinmarian
vagman13
n (here I bother with best to worst, but they are close):
Linkcat
Calindu
dawn to dusk
Naii_the_Baf
InsignificantWeeaboo
So what changed:
Up:
decisive vote for Mobian with solid reasoning. Besides, Annele doesnt strike me as someone who would buss.
That Mobian doublebuss is the most ingenious (extremely early planned out) thing I've seen in a while. If its actually a thing you deserve the win. Hats off!
Not a full townread because you are technically smart enough to come up with it :silly:. Take it as a compliment ;)
rushing to the front of the line for gunsmith after Mafia lost a roleblocker. I think it might not be necessary to even check (unless thats what he wants us to think).
Really didnt like his push on w3 while mobian looked scummier and we stood more to gain though.
I may be a bit too generous here, but I think he deserves it. Mostly for voting on scum, but his posts (as little as there are) have nothing scummy to them either.
Down:
Offwagon doesnt say much. His line of reasoning implied that he thinks w3 might be town, but I guess we didnt see how he would react there. I am giving no points either way here.
The reason why he dropped is that he consistently comes up with plans that expose our officer further. Before you say pot meet kettle, I actually thought our officer was outed when I made mine.
Additionally, we have news that mafia had a warden, which could have locked gunsmith out of investigating Sub successfully indefinitely had he lived.
I'm not gonna make a move on him now, but this is where i want our gunsmith to go.
Also, his readlist keeps a lot of people low that look quite a bit better after the vote. Is he keeping the PoE open in case bussing happened, because he didnt analyze the votes yet or maybe because he wants to make a push on them in the future in case we miss it?
I dont like his vote and lack of individual content, but it isnt too bad.
Additional notes:
Linkcat would look much better if he gave his reasons. His decisions are mostly on point, but we dont know what he wants.
Weeb almost saved mobian and did scumread first, reasons later. Bad procedure! Also, almost no content. Given he got townread last time for simply using his role stupidly and remembers that, I dont read anything in him giving bits about his role away.
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EBWOP: Obviously if our gunsmith has results on sub already there is no point doing it again, but if not I really need this spot to not be scum.Check him if you havent. He's still townleanish if you say nothing against him and will probably last till the end. If he's town thats fine by me ofc, but right now he's making plans to distract our gunsmith. I may be reading too much into it, but please make sure you have him successfully checked.
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Now lynchlog adjusted for my reads
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
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Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?
I mixed up the two roles. >_> But the question still stands, just for the other role.
Link to post where ian asked to be checked by gunsmith?
Here it is, right after the No Lynch. I knew most Town members would not notice it.
Feel free to investigate me with gunsmith or something. I don't have a weapon.
I think he meant undertaker. If he didn't:
The fuck Submachine? This is the 4th plan you made that is just awfull!
I did mean Undertaker, yes. So I can rightfully ignore your second line. ^^"
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Speaking of Warden, which role should a Town Grave Robber take for this Night?
Friendly Neighbor, Policeman or Warden?
I would like to hear iancu’s opinion too on this.
None, they're all bad roles for town.
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I would like it before the night phase ends please if possible.
No.
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Also, requesting doc and gunsmith to target me tonight. I assume gunsmith used ability N0 and now they can use it again.
Also, don't forget this ^
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No. Ian is a bad target for mafia, doc don’t bother seriously.
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Also can we not rely on gunsmith. The guy might not even exist or could be mafia.
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Still insisting on the doc? Also, don't forget that Sub made his unarmed claim when mafia had a roleblocker, while you get towncred for merely doubling up on the request while mafia probably doesnt have another blocker left. After reevaluating I really think Sub couldnt yet and absolutely has to be checked (Mobian should have guarded him regardless of subs alignement).
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I breadcrumbed my role along the way. It is not obfuscated, but you won't find it without me pointing it out. This ensures that at the end of the game, the role I will claim will not be fake.
Doctors, please don't bother protecting me. Protecting someone who can be the Officer has bigger priority. I don't have a weapon, so I cannot be Officer. Neither can ian and Oa apparently.
As someone who probably has a weapon, www is not a bad protection target. He is a bit obnoxious with his self-validation, but he's finally stepping up his game. :silly:
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Still insisting on the doc? Also, don't forget that Sub made his unarmed claim when mafia had a roleblocker, while you get towncred for merely doubling up on the request while mafia probably doesnt have another blocker left. After reevaluating I really think Sub couldnt yet and absolutely has to be checked (Mobian should have guarded him regardless of subs alignement).
I assume if an investigative role tried to target me and his ability failed, he would have voted me out of suspicion or be furious about it. The only person who unironically voted on me was MW, who claimed he did not use his ability on N0.
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Unsure if people read the rules or not. If they did, they would notice what I'm trying to do.
If I can't seem to convince you to follow my galaxy brain plans instead of Subs kindergarten plans, then I'll roleclaim and maybe you'll figure it out.
If that still doesn't work and you all have one digit IQ, then I'll lay out the full plan.
(Maybe if I speak shock's language you will listen to me more.)
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town operates on least common denominator not galaxy brain. Making things hard to guess (except when their use relies on a roleflip and is still usefull after death) helps the shared thoughts of mafia more than the individual villager.
If you already breadcrumped your role gunsmith should be extra unnecessary on you unless you are Mafia trying to use reverse psychology.
I tried to figure shock out for damage control. Please dont be like shock.
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You still don't get it aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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I think I got it.
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Feels a little slow though
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Mafia will figure out the plan before the important Town roles, if I am right about your plan. Town does not pay attention, as proved earlier. Better to just spit it out.
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Iancu senpais plan involves confusing mafia that doc will protect Ian when really doc is protecting me, do your job doc owo q.q :sillyspin:
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Unsure if people read the rules or not. If they did, they would notice what I'm trying to do.
If I can't seem to convince you to follow my galaxy brain plans instead of Subs kindergarten plans, then I'll roleclaim and maybe you'll figure it out.
If that still doesn't work and you all have one digit IQ, then I'll lay out the full plan.
(Maybe if I speak shock's language you will listen to me more.)
If you need a brain the size of a galaxy, how low is the amount of intelligence per brain mass to need such overcompensation? Maybe if you if your posts had more plan/post I'd see the plan, too. You're starting to sound like w3 at this point:
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(where's plan B?)
Though since you're so smart, I'm sure you've already figured out my role that I've practically fully exposed over the course of my posts by now :silly:
If not, just need to wait until NK, I guess.
I breadcrumbed my role along the way. It is not obfuscated, but you won't find it without me pointing it out. This ensures that at the end of the game, the role I will claim will not be fake.
Ok, so the fact that you keep wanting to make noise, get weapon checked and now ask for someone making noise to get weapon checked are all completely unrelated.
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Fine, I'll lay out the full plan a bit later on. (no other reason that laziness to do so right now)
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EBWOP: no other reason than*
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Until then, trust me, I'm an engineer.
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Until then, trust me, I'm an engineer.
That already explains everything, really.
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Apologies for not contributing much lately, my summer internship started and I preferred to do other things in my free time. Also, the amount of reading to do is quite large too, and in big blocks too. Will try to respond and provide as much info as I can.
Okay, Calindu doesn't have much posts, so I try to do a breakdown on all of them.
- Him voting on www after I pointed out that he hadn't answered his own questions. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291761/#msg1291761)
- Calmly responding to what he doesn't like about my standards. Accepting my sarcasm post and going with it while also adding his reads on the people in the No Lynch wagon. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292271/#msg1292271) This is my favorite post. A few people did not notice that it was a joke post, but Calindu was the only one who went with it without questioning it.
- A vote on www without explanation. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292281/#msg1292281)
Reading his posts one by one and out of context, they don't stand out much. His posts stood out to me at first, because I was involved in almost all of them (2,3,5,6,9,10,11). Maybe I was the loudest at the time and my posts were easier to find and respond to, but it still felt weird how his posts almost always had me in them. Post 6 was a result of something I pointed out. Pressuring the inactives in his post 7 was also something I highly advised, though this could have been because of Espithel.
In Post 11, he went with my joke post without considering it to be false. Kae and TorB also didn't notice that it was a joke post and they also read me as Town, but they stopped to question it. I believe that Calindu would not make this mistake if he was playing honestly, and it feels like a good excuse to just go for it. A few of his other posts also followed this mentality, which feel off to me.
I trimmed the quote so it's easier to follow my points.
Most of the posts did involve you, because I townread you and your posts were usually full laid out plans, either good ones or bad ones, or questions, but it's not entirely correct that they all involved you.
I pointed out in post 6 that multiple players accused www3 for not answering the questions, so I wanted to give him another impulse, with a vote on him.
In post 7, pressuring the inactives is something that I have done last game too (see my vote on immortal_feud, and sticking with it), because full inactivity is something that is hurting town. I only switched my vote in order to save shock. It's not something that I did because you advised it.
In post 11, I did say I'm not sure of it, so I chose to believe my town read, with a lot more games played under his belt, about the metagame. I did not notice your 'Sarcasm' post until you made the other post.
In post 12 I simply added MW's vote onto you, I had my vote on www3 way before.
Btw is noisemaking night tonight? Or do we not want to raid?
Raiding is still risky I believe, there are two possible scenarios that I can see as happening:
1. Officer is the only player making noise. This forces the officer to claim on the spot in order to avoid being NKed before the claim. If the officer managed to get the primary role of another living player, this is not too bad, but not optimal either.
2. Officer and some other(I'd say at least 2 or 3 more in order to not have a 50/50 for the NK) players make noise. This is the best case scenario, it hides the Officer in between a group of players and gets the raid off too, but if the mafia is the one making noise, then it's just an illusion of safety, and it can backfire really badly
Now, obviously, the Officer can choose not to raid while other players make noise, this is also good and sends mafia on the wrong tracks.
It's also important that the players making noise are not the ones that claimed to not have weapons, which btw, should stop happening, as it makes it easier for the mafia to find the power roles, and it also makes it easier for mafia to blend in if they post anything like that.
Alright, I would like to inquire about this.
You say i am jumpy. I was jumpy last game. I would say im pretty laxed this game. Im still discovering my role and how it really works.
You say i made mistakes. Emphasis on the S. I made one mistake that i can see and its not even that big of a mistake. I revealed when i was going to use my role. Could you inform me of the other mistakes?
MW is town I believe, him getting unnecessarily angry about people commenting on his play and possible mistakes was a trademark from last game too.
Just one question for PlayerOa: why was Mobian not mentioned in any of your posts last day, despite there being several people voting to lynch him? At least ian considered him, for example.
I'll answer this question too, since I have been guilty of the same problem too.
I honestly thought Mobian changed his way of playing the game, not being as angry as usual, since he was rude and angry last game and I called him out on it. Now I do agree that the post he made about Espithel reeks of scum, and there is little chance a town would make a post like that.
Just to address this, I am not smart enough to think of something like that. My thought process in mafia is not "if X flips town then Y is mafia" and it never really crosses my mind. I just listen to everyone else when they say stuff like this cause sheep.
Another trademark MW post, thought I would expect him to usually point to the experience of the player, like he did last game.
Not sure if I missed anything, responded to the posts I saw from this night phase which involved me or I had thoughts about. If there is anything I missed or you want my response or thoughts on, point it towards my direction.
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Isn’t a mafia engineer the worst person to target
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For the doc and gunsmith
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Isn’t a mafia engineer the worst person to target
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For the doc and gunsmith
Gunsmith would find the Engineer without a weapon. And if ian is mafia and is doing this plan, it's him outing himself out in order to find the Gunsmith and Doctor, which is not worth it at all in my opinion.[quote author=worldwideweb3
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EBWOP: Of course I managed to mess up the quotes.
Isn’t a mafia engineer the worst person to target
For the doc and gunsmith
Gunsmith would find the Engineer without a weapon. And if ian is mafia and is doing this plan, it's him outing himself out in order to find the Gunsmith and Doctor, which is not worth it at all in my opinion.
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FWIW we’re starting to Rely on gunsmith too much. He could be maf or there might not even be a gunsmith.
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Yes, the plan is fundamentally flawed in that it requires:
- Weaponsmith and doc to trust ian not be to mafia. Just trading one of them for a single mafia is already a mediocre trade at best.
- Mafia members to not target ian with abilities if ian is not mafia. Maybe that is why he did not want to spell it out, but it would be naive to expect both a town weaponsmith and the doctor to notice, but for mafia not to notice.
- And then only provides this information to ian himself. We will need to lynch him to confirm his intel. But that still exposes the roles to mafia as well.
It's a really egocentric plan.
I would much rather doc protect someone less expected and with a more useful role.
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Alright, you guys figured out most of the stuff. I don't see how you still think this is a bad plan though. I mean, if you still scumread me, then I don't know what to say.
The idea is that I could figure out who the gunsmith is by inspecting the posts of the people that targeted me (assuming the gunsmith actually left some form of breadcrumbs, most likely through votes).
Of course, this plan requires people to trust me. If you don't trust this plan, than I'm happy to hear alternatives.
FWIW we’re starting to Rely on gunsmith too much. He could be maf or there might not even be a gunsmith.
It's what I'm trying to confirm. If the said gunsmith exists, and later if they're indeed civvy.
And if you think as mafia I would trade myself 1:1, or even 1:2, then you're crazy.
Actually, I don't even need doc to protect me. If I get NK'd, the gunsmith can use his ability again next night as it would fail. And if that does indeed happen, then I guess I died protecting someone with a better role.
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EBWOP: The dice have spoken. The following players are mafia: Calindu, Naii_the_Baf, MasterWalks, Submachine
Also sorry for previous double post. The forums are pretty laggy for me atm for some reason.
Also, never forget the dice. Sure, it got one wrong, but the other 3/4 are likely right :silly:
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Alright, you guys figured out most of the stuff. I don't see how you still think this is a bad plan though. I mean, if you still scumread me, then I don't know what to say.
With Haunt taking priority over anything else, the plan cannot succeed unless you are mafia or the role claim is (considered) false (by mafia).
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Still, Haunt makes noise. That wouldn't be worth it for mafia at all.
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Or maybe moehrpi was right, and you're actually using hide on yourself while making a deceptive engineer claim, hmm...
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/413864880496443394/581568021554921494/unknown.png)
Does anybody else feel as if ian is breadcrumbing Agent with this?
If nothing else, this theory should reduce the chance of haunt if you are indeed not mafia.
Still, Haunt makes noise. That wouldn't be worth it for mafia at all.
I dunno. You can even mask the sound with a drug dealer, right?
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Well, you know, the gunsmith part of it could have gone ahead without you roleclaiming and up till now there was no reason to assume youd be a good nightkill right now 8you probably still arent). I'll leave it up to the gunsmith who he wants to target (not that I could actually choose for them), but if my sudden paranoia regarding sub proves true he'd be a higher priority. truth be told I dont think our gunsmith can be expected to do better than trade 1:1 with a mafia and if submachine actually is mafia i think we need a roleclaim for that to result in a lynch. Btw, i asked Ginyu and unfortunately there are no refunds for abilities in this mafia. the full cooldown kicks in.
Also, i hope I dont need to mention that you shouldnt roleclaim publicly for our gunsmith if that part of your plan comes true.
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Blegh, didn't know about the no-refund. I assumed it would be the same as last mafia.
And yeah, of course I wouldn't just point out who the gunsmith is publicly, unless I have very good reason to believe they're scum. The idea was that maybe we could get some information before the eventual gunsmith is NK'd and not just have to wait for that to happen.
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This may also seem a bit paranoid... but I still think you want w3 dead, ian. Now that your role-blocking mafia buddy has dropped dead, night kills are finally at risk of getting blocked. You do not want that, you want the officer dead. Easiest way to get that done is distract doctor this night, and eliminate them the next. But that requires for you to know their identity.
I would rather see officer protected. Likely one of the strong towns without a no weapon claim, if you get what I'm saying.
I do not currently believe you are mafia, yet. But I do not trust you enough to give you a free town pass either. You are requesting an elimination of doctor protection for the exposure of their identity to you, when you may well be mafia. Tunneling w3 has done you no favors.
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This may also seem a bit paranoid... but I still think you want w3 dead, ian. Now that your role-blocking mafia buddy has dropped dead, night kills are finally at risk of getting blocked. You do not want that, you want the officer dead. Easiest way to get that done is distract doctor this night, and eliminate them the next. But that requires for you to know their identity.
I would rather see officer protected. Likely one of the strong towns without a no weapon claim, if you get what I'm saying.
I do not currently believe you are mafia, yet. But I do not trust you enough to give you a free town pass either. You are requesting an elimination of doctor protection for the exposure of their identity to you, when you may well be mafia. Tunneling w3 has done you no favors.
Someone...speaking...in...my....favour?????? What has the world come to?!?!?! TorB really wants that GM battle doesn’t he :silly:
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Also I’m having laptop problems so don’t expect too many posts from me from now onwards.
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Are you all wearing your tinfoil hats right now?
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Yes, i think at least one of my reads above the neutral line is off. And if so I would try to reevaluate sub, vag, ian , MW in that order (w3 has an extremely tiny niche for being mafia and if he has it we're not gonna find out unless we do things that are stupid 90% of the time); (note: it is extremely unlikely that both sub and ian expose themselves to gunsmith like that, so at most one of them is mafia). Atm I dont want to do anything rash with those obviously, but a gunsmith could check half of those for me, 1 of them right now.
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If Sub turns out to be mafia, then most likely the gunsmith is mafia and they took a gamble that there wouldn't be a second gunsmith that's civvy. Of course, that also makes me look extremely bad if that's the case, but I'm willing to accept being lynched if Sub is lynched and flips scum.
Honestly, Mobian flipping warden makes Sub being mafia more and more likely.
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Actually, mafia doesnt even need gunsmith, they could just ward Sub indefinitely.
Yeah, gunsmith should definitely check Sub out.
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Who are we thinking of lynching next
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If we got no other lead I would go after Naii or Weaboo next. Both have been kinda deadweight so far and a realistic chance of being mafia.
Weeb for protecting Mobian when it looked like there was still a chance and not correcting his choice when it was clear that his initial given reason (Mobian needing a proper defense) was not gonna be answered. he made up the no-lynch reason for w3 scumread when proped iirc. Might just be his actual thoughts. In that case I ask him to do the things in the proper order next time. First think of the pros and cons then draw your conclusion!
Naiis content is even slimmer and he hasnt even voted yet this game (i wonder if Mobian was upset at his teammate for not voting?).
Obviously, i'm mostly just trying to eliminate the inactives here, but regardless of what they flip they should make it easier to find the rest. certainly wont hurt to probe them a little and maybe they can actually contribute with a little push.
d2d in a similiar vein, but i feel like he's more likely to say sth we can actually use.
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Hi, I'm here. Out of home until Sunday, no computer.
Will try to send abilities and vote(If I actually remember to do so).
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With the massive amount of scumreads on dawn, I'd lynch them. It may also give us a hint to the alignment of Linkcat, whom has been after dawn for a while "because reasons".
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This scenario is worth exploring before it happens.
If noone claims Gunsmith at the end of the game, what will be the consensus?
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Are you banking on that to be the case? ;)
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shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Putting these here for reference. Also, I suggest not discussing lynch targets during the night. It only really helps the mafia.
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If I die kill dawn
If he’s scum kill Oa.
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Everyone is agitated. Rather than going around and searching for clues, everyone is just staring at each other. The trust they previously had after fighting through the harsh environment together is gone entirely since they realized everyone could be one of those... things. Even people they've known for a long time.
Hours are passing by with nothing happening. Their initial adrenaline slowly fades off as they are getting more and more tired. Eventually, when most of them fell asleep, one of them screams out loud, looking at another corpse with bleeding ears. "It was you, I saw that!" And while everyone was slowly getting up, that person rushed towards a man and strangled him to death brutally... and soon after, everyone realized they were right to distrust each other.
Naii_the_Baf was silenced. He was a Town Undertaker.
dawn to dusk was strangled to death. He was a Whisperer Paranoid Doctor.
Day 3 started. There is no time left!
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YEET
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If I die kill dawn
If he’s scum kill Oa.
Please elaborate, this doesn’t make sense to me at all
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I will I’m due time. Off to hockey for now
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I will I’m due time. Off to hockey for now
*in ignore typos
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Nice, guess that even saves a lynch today.
If I die kill dawn
If he’s scum kill Oa.
Okay.
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
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I cud be wrong so don’t wagon, still discuss. Need to see a couple things.
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Good job on dawn, dont understand the connection to Oa either though. Only connection i see is that both voted you, but for each mafia on that wagon the likelihood of another one on there being mafia drops.
TorB, w3 didnt die, he'll explain.
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I’ll defend myself tonight when I get on my laptop
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I want to see posts from link cal weeaboo MW before others start posting and planning
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I like to think that I helped to get to this conclusion, though the credit goes for the Assassin*. Cheers!
*I did not check that Assassin is the role’s name. Am on phone.
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If gunsmith did check Sub and he's mafia, speak up now.
Nobody targeted me, if anyone cares.
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Hint: I am not Mafia. ;)
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Odd that mafia shot into the bottom of my PoE when d2d was in queue there (both naii and d2d were people I would have targeted this or the next day (admittedly more likely the next since insig is a bit more obvious and the other 2 had a chance of becoming more active with time). Either they dont care for my reads or someone goes deeper.
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To be fair, there was some discussion on whom to protect, but no one would be bothering to protect Naii, so it's pretty much a guaranteed NK if they are worried about it failing. It also gives us no information at all, several active people that are likely town are still suspected of possibly being mafia by at least one person. Killing one of them removes that suspicion and makes it harder to orchestrate.
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Well its obvious they are hunting for the officer, Naii was one of the people who didnt make any claim, but with their current process we just get them through reads, no mechanics required.
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Also, i think I know what w3 means; on day1 we had dawn in the lead and the people that changed the dynamic were me, ian and Oa. I'm townreading all of those, but with dawn flipping mafia we could be mafia protecting a fellow. However, as the only one of us who didnt go as far out of their way to get themselves cleared things look kinda grim for me :o
Or, you know, we were seriously commited to not repeat the mistake from last mafia where a lynch would give almost no information, bc the person isnt even there to say anything. (As for me personally i was mostly just tunneling w3 anyway. I got better.)
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My slight mafia read was based off of how he abstained to vote N0, among a couple of other things.
Also, didn't Linkcat defend dawn a bunch or am I not remembering things correctly?
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My slight mafia read was based off of how he abstained to vote N0, among a couple of other things.
Also, didn't Linkcat defend dawn a bunch or am I not remembering things correctly?
Uh, more like the opposite. Link was the only one to vote dawn D2 and voted on dawn D1 when there was already a majority on him at that moment in time, "because reasons".
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Espi, shush!
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try not to get yourself modkilled
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This is all allowed by the rules.
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Then how is this not encrypted?
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Breadcrumbing is allowed, and this one is in plain sight.
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Lmao
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In case I get modkilled, let it be heard that I misunderstood the rule about breadcrumbs. x_x
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RIP Submachine
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I want to see posts from link cal weeaboo MW before others start posting and planning
Do you guys not listen. Can we have these 4 post first.
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This is allowed. Ginyu said writing secret messages visible to everyone who everyone can decode are allowed in rules.
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Tho idk what sub means. I can’t decode for shit. Reading peoples posts is enough for town to win. Leave all these shitty posts that mafia can read too.
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And needless to say, if an officer or gunsmith knows a mafia, it’s good to claim now imo.
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I want to see posts from link cal weeaboo MW before others start posting and planning
Do you guys not listen. Can we have these 4 post first.
And I know you 4 are active people so don’t delay post today or be lynched rip rip
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I want to see posts from link cal weeaboo MW before others start posting and planning
My slight mafia read was based off of how he abstained to vote N0, among a couple of other things.
Also, didn't Linkcat defend dawn a bunch or am I not remembering things correctly?
Weeb has already posted...
Lmao
Linkcat has already posted...
Now i have posted
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Put my vote on MW
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Put my vote on MW
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
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I want to see posts from link cal weeaboo MW before others start posting and planning
Do you guys not listen. Can we have these 4 post first.
And I know you 4 are active people so don’t delay post today or be lynched rip rip
Calm down, it has been 3 hours since the day phase started when you made this post, people can have other commitments or something better to do, such as Stranger Things 3. Lynching because someone doesn't post right away is just plain stupid and will lead to poor results.
Here are my thoughts:
- Linkcat is probably town, but I wouldn't call him confirmed yet, as him bussing dawn can easily help him cruise to the lategame.
- Lmao at Submachine's encryption.
- Mafia is clearly looking for the Officer, no other reason they would NK Naii otherwise.
Also, i think I know what w3 means; on day1 we had dawn in the lead and the people that changed the dynamic were me, ian and Oa. I'm townreading all of those, but with dawn flipping mafia we could be mafia protecting a fellow. However, as the only one of us who didnt go as far out of their way to get themselves cleared things look kinda grim for me :o
I wouldn't put too much thought into people trying to get cleared late by Gunsmith, it might easily just be that mafia is gambling that they wouldn't get checked or that there is no Gunsmith.
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I said post anytime today ^^ wasn’t a too serious post q.q but I did want those 4 to say stuff.
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Alright. Guess kaempf has already elaborated a bit on why d2d flipping scum makes me a sensible lynch target - at least in the eyes of w3 and TorB, but I still don't agree (ofc! I'm town after all) so I should try to make a couple of points on why it's wrong
First and foremost, I was the one starting the "train" against d2d (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291616/#msg1291616). Yeah I know this doesn't say much, but keep in mind I initially left D1 with my vote on d2d (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291813/#msg1291813) - where my vote could have been the decisive hammer - I was not certain I actually would return before day's end (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291749/#msg1291749). Luckily (or unluckily?) I did make it.
Regarding this (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291853/#msg1291853), I knew he was asleep due to his awkward timezone. My initial vote on d2d was cast when he had time to defend himself, I made sure of that. Did not want to turn shit around in his disfavour while asleep.
If you, on the other hand, believe I voted d2d at first at D1 and D2 to prove my innocence, yet changing vote both times because I chickened out or whatever... then sure, if you think I would play such an obvious game, I don't think I'm able to change your mind.
I also note TorB was awfully quick at following w3 at bandwagoning me without having any second thoughts - very unlike how he has played so far this game, thinking about every possible scenario and then a couple more.
(yeah I know I'm not the best at making fiery defenses. Please feel free to ask me direct questions! I'm better at answering those :-X)
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About that: Assuming sub is town (seems like a thought now that d2d is confirmed) and mafia has an agent they might have used hide instead of guard and if noone targeted sub they can assume that there is no town gunsmith (there probably isnt a maf one either, even though they are searching for officer they have only killed defenseless people so far, although they would have had only 1 check so far so w/e). Lots of assumptions, but if that happened ian is somewhat suspect again (although that would require the last maf to be exactly agent) and Oa cannot be assumed to be clear.
Honestly, this is so unlikely that I'll take the tinfoil hat off now. I doubt mafia would gamble blindly though, at least not after losing security guard.
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As I said before btw my laptops malfunctioning so my involvement will be less until tomo evening when I’ll go home and get on me dad’s laptop. Till then, dont pile too many votes on one person that we can’t move again if need be plssss
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Ok, time to update the lynchlog (Welp, Naiis lack of votes was pretty nai):
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
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oh wow, maf really wanted espi dead.
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iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
There’s defo a mafia in here at least. Just need to figure out which one
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Also walks’ play is bugging me in general. He really does look like a maf. More in-depth look later
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Also walks’ play is bugging me in general. He really does look like a maf. More in-depth look later
Same w Cal.
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The mobian vs you votes?
I didn't scum read either of you guys. I'm not going to vote on someone I have no read on. Sub is outta control and is the person I scum read the most. At this point in time im pretty much back to no scum read only town reads.
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I’m more interested in your day 1 voting.
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tinfoil hats aside it seems to be between cal/weeb (maybe both) and one of MW, Link, vag. Noteworthy is ians terrible voting pattern aswell.
MW mostly looks like an incredibly lost town though. if he's trying to sow suspicion he's picking like the worst targets.
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Vag and weeb are probs town. They don’t have the balls to bus :silly:
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MW mostly looks like an incredibly lost town though. if he's trying to sow suspicion he's picking like the worst targets.
This is accurate. If you want me to be super honest, I have an important role and no idea how to use it best. I've played only elements themed mafia and this mafia is still messing with me. I literally only know what my role does and I barely know that. That's as honest as I can be.
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Vag and weeb are probs town. They don’t have the balls to bus :silly:
Given that weeb never voted on the other 2: Maf team confirmed? :silly:
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New reads:
Townlean (v):
TheonlyrealBeef
Annele
PlayerOa
MasterWalks (considered dropping him a little, but theres no way)
worldwideweb3
Submachine
n+:
iancudorinmarian
vagman13
n (here I bother with best to worst, but they are close):
Linkcat
Calindu
w:
InsignificantWeeaboo (now doesnt that color suit you?)
Notes:
Weeb: Almost saved Mobian with insufficient reasoning; I am not satisfied with the answers and Mobian kinda spewed that one of his teammmates didn't vote d1.
Lmao
ian and vag are only really suspicious under specific circumstances.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
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[Roblox death noise]
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PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
I agree he seems the most suspicious of the current scumreads. IW said he voted to 'give Mobian a chance to defend himself', then gave some vague scumread on ww3 when pressured. Even when Mobian then failed to defend himself, IW's vote didn't change. We know at least one other mafia was on the ww3 train last round, so I'll also be watching carefully at where ian, oa, and cal place their votes in this day phase.
Btw @Oa I read Torb's jump to PlayerOa as a push to get you to talk and a way to kick off voting early, which is not really a change from his previous playstyle.
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I already announced my intended targets during the night, but I suspect Calindu, iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, InsignificantWeeaboo and MasterWalks in that order.
I can elaborate more at my usual timing. Ian rising on the list, is because all his actions and argumentation have been flawed so far. Calling people stupid not to understand is not an argument of why something is a good idea.
Cal being high should be seen as a compliment. I would have expected more from Cal, but his argumentation has ranged from weak to non existant. Almost only agrees with points made by others, rather than making points of his own. Can elaborate if desired.
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Oh, and above all, I want the town people from that list to make a case against the mafia from that list using their own arguments. If people I expect to be town or myself all make a strong case against them, you will be left with weak arguments or "I agree". This is what I have mostly seen from all of you so far.
Show me what you're made of, or don't -claiming you can only townread people- and get my lynch vote like Oa.
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I'm a god.
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Ian rising on the list, is because all his actions and argumentation have been flawed so far. Calling people stupid not to understand is not an argument of why something is a good idea.
For the record, I was joking, hence the "speaking shock's language".
Otherwise, yeah, I agree I made mistakes. If you believe me when I say they were honest mistakes, then great. If you think I've been doing all these on purpose because I'm scum, then so be it. As I said before, I'm fine with being lynched as long as people believe me getting lynched will get them any kind of information other than my alignment on death, which, trust me, it's town.
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PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
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EBWOP: I don't have any better reads.
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PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
Cal and Insig are both sensible lynch targets imo. Still think MW is town.
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Cal and Insig are both sensible lynch targets imo. Still think MW is town.
Any particular reason? I value the arguments you use to reach a conclusion more than the conclusion itself. Some post has to stand out that embodies why you prefer targeting them.
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Cal and Insig are both sensible lynch targets imo. Still think MW is town.
Any particular reason? I value the arguments you use to reach a conclusion more than the conclusion itself. Some post has to stand out that embodies why you prefer targeting them.
Understandable.
Insig has been way more quiet than I would expect him to be, and his posts have been either shitposts or vague (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292066/#msg1292066). This (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292293/#msg1292293) has me leery.
Cal is not one I'd expect to post rapidly, but his posting seem kinda, what should I call it, superficial maybe? Here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292429/#msg1292429) he heavily arguments against raiding which contradicts with my opinion (but save that for another time). Also implies officer has to claim on the spot, where town might as well (and most likely have) have a musician or a drug dealer creating confusion for mafia. As of now, town can win based on reads alone, where the maf duo will need to use abilities to their advantage. Like previously stated - this is more of a compliment than anything, really.
Bottom note:
When officer have two confirmed affinities I believe he should drop the bomb. I also think next night should be raid night. What do you guys think?
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Depends who the confirmed people are. If it’s like kae and me, then no point claiming.
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Can experimental trap nullify the NK? Like if I’m targeted w trap and someone nk me, is the nk unsuccessful?
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NK is not considered a normal ability, so you would still die.
Anyway, I don't think raid is necessary. It's not like we're forced to lynch scum next day or we lose. There's plenty of time left.
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Since I've claimed already, this doesn't really hurt to say: I've used my motion sensor in all nights and nobody targeted me in all of them.
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NK is not considered a normal ability, so you would still die.
Anyway, I don't think raid is necessary. It's not like we're forced to lynch scum next day or we lose. There's plenty of time left.
There’s no need for raid to not be used tho when there’s a pool of near confirmed townies and only a handful of possible mafias.
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Insig is town.
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Link was right about dawn, so I guess I'll trust him. Removing my vote for now.
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
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Host Note
I discussed the issue with Submachine. As the rule has recently been modified, I'll not modkill him if he fully explains the meaning behind his grid. He agreed.
If there is anything unclear with this or any other rule, be sure you can always ask me about it. If I don't reply in the chat, you can leave me a forum PM as well.
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So rather than read the last 30 pages, I looked at the lynchlog and the ISOs of people who were sus from their votes. I've concluded that it's this guy.
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
Mobian getting bussed could explain why he was so upset, look into TorB, he also had that reaction when I pushed dawn into the lead Day 1 along with vag. Iancu I doubt would have bussed dawn Day 1 and it's likely that nobody else did either.
lol Sub
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Whys link copying me this maf. Vote on cal too. MW is probs his partner :silly:
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So, what I wanted to hint is that I-think-that-Linkcat-is-the-Officer. I did not plan to directly say this, because I didn't want to raise attention to this possibility. But hey, I can be wrong.~
I was considering whether I should post the grid solution or get modkilled. I tried to figure out what Town wanted me to do, so I went with the only suggestion I heard.
try not to get yourself modkilled
I apologize for this mess I caused. >.<
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And people are calling my motion sensor plan bad.
*sigh*
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PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
I did say one of Annele/Calindu/vagman gotta be Mafia. If it's not vaggers or Nellie, then I join this pile.
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PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
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Should we invest in wagonomics and open a second train? At this point I'm kind of convinced that its cal+insig (obv an officer could know better, but would they have gone to weeaboo first?) so I dont particularly care in which order we do it, but in case one of them is wrong wed learn more about it if we actually had multiple trains to look at rather than just someone getting quicklynched.
Yh, im starting to think all mafia except for the person who was actually being lynched defended Mobian. I mean at this point mafia fully sticking together actually goes against expectations, so why not try it? Also there might have been some actual drama with Mobian throwing and his team trying to stick up for him to make up.
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I would have expected more from Cal, but his argumentation has ranged from weak to non existant. Almost only agrees with points made by others, rather than making points of his own. Can elaborate if desired.
That's just my general style of play, I prefer being reactive, instead of proactive, and rely much more on game mechanics than reads, because honestly, I'm not good at reading people. It's true that I have been more proactive than usual last game, but have only been proactive because I had a lot of information available due to my role (I know I keep referring to the last game, but it's my only recent one). I'm sorry if I didn't meet your expectations.
Cal is not one I'd expect to post rapidly, but his posting seem kinda, what should I call it, superficial maybe? Here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292429/#msg1292429) he heavily arguments against raiding which contradicts with my opinion (but save that for another time). Also implies officer has to claim on the spot, where town might as well (and most likely have) have a musician or a drug dealer creating confusion for mafia. As of now, town can win based on reads alone, where the maf duo will need to use abilities to their advantage. Like previously stated - this is more of a compliment than anything, really.
Sorry, but I don't believe you understood my argument, I just looked at the possible scenarios that might happen if the Officer is raiding. The only scenario I argued about Officer claiming on the spot is if they're the only one making noise. In the second scenario, I did say that town might make noise to stop the Officer from being found, but if only one more town does it, then it's a 50/50 for the NK.
I also think next night should be raid night. What do you guys think?
That's a quite strange suggestion, assuming the Officer didn't get blocked, they would be able to Investigate this night, rather than Raid, the Officer raiding this night and getting found out is straight up throwing if the mafia is one of the highly regarded towns.
Mobian getting bussed could explain why he was so upset, look into TorB, he also had that reaction when I pushed dawn into the lead Day 1 along with vag. Iancu I doubt would have bussed dawn Day 1 and it's likely that nobody else did either.
I don't get this, you suspect mafia bussed Mobian, but at the same time, you think I'm mafia, despite not voting for him.
Should we invest in wagonomics and open a second train? At this point I'm kind of convinced that its cal+insig (obv an officer could know better, but would they have gone to weeaboo first?) so I dont particularly care in which order we do it, but in case one of them is wrong wed learn more about it if we actually had multiple trains to look at rather than just someone getting quicklynched.
Yh, im starting to think all mafia except for the person who was actually being lynched defended Mobian. I mean at this point mafia fully sticking together actually goes against expectations, so why not try it? Also there might have been some actual drama with Mobian throwing and his team trying to stick up for him to make up.
The wagon on me happened quite fast, and with little to no questions asked by anyone there, I expect one mafia on that wagon. Look into Oa/Ian once I flip town.
Oh, and above all, I want the town people from that list to make a case against the mafia from that list using their own arguments.
Fine, I'm pretty sure both IW and MW are both town, so I'll make my case against ian/Oa, I believe there is a good chance one of them is mafia, probably Oa, not both of them though.
Most of the things I find strange about them is requesting a Gunsmith check over and over again, which seemed to earn them a townread from many here, despite the fact that it can easily be the fact that a Gunsmith is not even in the game. And even if the Gunsmith is in the game, they could have been blocked by Mobian on N0, further delaying the many players requesting to be cleared. Note that ian is claiming Mechanical Engineer, meaning that he knows for sure he didn't get checked yet.
It's a gamble, but if you consider the fact that mafia could have the tools to stop a Gunsmith, it's not much of a Gamble anymore.
As I said, most of my proactive plays are based on game mechanics, so I advise the Gunsmith to speak up if they can confirm 2 players or they caught someone in a lie.
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Yes, Oa/Ian/MW/insig are the people to check imo, in that order really.
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Yes, Oa/Ian/MW/insig are the people to check imo, in that order really.
I have no objections to that. Still on the fence regarding Cal, but I like his recent response.
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Btw cal, it’s worth claiming your role and targets and any info you have (if it looks like you’re about to be lynched for sure)
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Whys link copying me this maf. Vote on cal too. MW is probs his partner :silly:
Why do people ignore my vote q.q
Don’t bother putting it on cal rn anymore, he’s already got too many on him, I’ll keep mine onto his partner :sillyspin:
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Why do people ignore my vote q.q
Honestly, you post so much, you're the only person I cannot remember to find every significant post of :silly:
Mobian getting bussed could explain why he was so upset, look into TorB, he also had that reaction when I pushed dawn into the lead Day 1 along with vag.
You mean switching my vote off dawn when he responded? I wanted dawn's activity at that time, so I kept hopping from one inactive to the other until they started responding. Still, there's some info that I only share at crucial moments like these when I have no concrete reads on whom the next mafia to lynch is. I have not yet told anything explicit about my role, so if you are interested in that, you'll have to ask nicely exert some serious pressure. If I thought it would help with finding the next mafia, I would have spoken up about it by now.
Though, you know, maybe you are right. About the bussing part, I mean. Not sure if I am the one you should be looking at for that, though... he lost it not when I put my vote on him, but shortly after the Linkcat vote...
Lmao at that Mobian post.
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Truth be told I've been tunneling Mobian all day ever since TorB pointed him out. I was just allowing some time for other ideas to enter the playing field before making it the focal point of discussion. Unfortunately they've been kind of a letdown.
And as ian already figured every other suggested lynch (other than w3 and Mobian) gives us almost no info beyond the flip itself. Now unlike ian, I think Mobian flipping actually gives us more info than w3 (makes the entirety of no-lynch train look much better). But that's not why I want him dead.
He was very slow to point fingers, and seemed to give everyone consideration, as opposed to lynching based on personality conflicts. Given enough time, he could have brought the town together and organized us. Losing him is a huge blow to us!
Now this may not seem like much, but this is not a town!Mobian post. town!Mobian would be about equally frustrated with each dead town more and not single out Espithel as the be-all-end-all. It's also ironic how Espithel promised to point a finger at Mobian today. In this context too "slow to point fingers" almost seems like gloating.
Also thanks for letting us now your thinking process on nking.
Additionally he seems to particularly strongly concerned with his survival (a little of it makes sense regardless of alignement, but hes reacting very early).
Furthermore he's hedging his read on w3. It seems he knows w3 is town and wants to take credit for "predicting" it, but he still wants to incite a strong enough suspicion to allow for him to get lynched.
Add to that the fact that he was already at the bottom of my PoE and I cant help but tunnel him.
Now, is this post a bit hyperbolic? certainly, but on Day 2 i doubt we can make any stronger case.
You may have killed espi, but the furry police is gonna get you for it:
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/506860354824044554/591467384435507200/FO0GljH.png)
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
blow
Press b to blow. You certainly did blow regardless of alignement.
I don't know how many times I have to say it. The. Past. Games. I. Was. In. A. Shitty. Personal. Space! This led to the stress and anxiety that I was experiencing in the real world to bleed over into this hot mess of a community. This time around, I just started a new job with higher pay and actual benefits, and can actually afford to catch up on my bills. With that in mind, I was also able to reflect on the things most disliked about me, and try to change them for the better. It would seem, though, that you all are too busy looking for monsters that you chalk personal growth up to manipulation. Quite frankly, that's not acceptable, in game or out. Do what you will, I think I'm actually done playing. One of you will recite rule 10 again, but not one of you will understand how difficult it has been as an autistic to try to make that change happen. Enjoy the rest of your game, genleman.
Suicide - Mobian
Cal and Insig are both sensible lynch targets imo. Still think MW is town.
Any particular reason? I value the arguments you use to reach a conclusion more than the conclusion itself. Some post has to stand out that embodies why you prefer targeting them.
Understandable.
Insig has been way more quiet than I would expect him to be, and his posts have been either shitposts or vague (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292066/#msg1292066). This (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292293/#msg1292293) has me leery.
Cal is not one I'd expect to post rapidly, but his posting seem kinda, what should I call it, superficial maybe? Here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1292429/#msg1292429) he heavily arguments against raiding which contradicts with my opinion (but save that for another time). Also implies officer has to claim on the spot, where town might as well (and most likely have) have a musician or a drug dealer creating confusion for mafia. As of now, town can win based on reads alone, where the maf duo will need to use abilities to their advantage. Like previously stated - this is more of a compliment than anything, really.
Bottom note:
When officer have two confirmed affinities I believe he should drop the bomb. I also think next night should be raid night. What do you guys think?
I also think next night should be raid night. What do you guys think?
That's a quite strange suggestion, assuming the Officer didn't get blocked, they would be able to Investigate this night, rather than Raid, the Officer raiding this night and getting found out is straight up throwing if the mafia is one of the highly regarded towns.
IWs reasoning for voting w3 was total crap and could have caused Mobian not to get lynched if one more maf voted w3 (even Mobian himself!). Which makes me interested in why no one else did. Mobian seemed sincerely pissed, but as I pointed out and the lynch proved, that did not change anything regarding his alignment.
The wagon on me happened quite fast, and with little to no questions asked by anyone there, I expect one mafia on that wagon. Look into Oa/Ian once I flip town.
Oh, and above all, I want the town people from that list to make a case against the mafia from that list using their own arguments.
Fine, I'm pretty sure both IW and MW are both town, so I'll make my case against ian/Oa, I believe there is a good chance one of them is mafia, probably Oa, not both of them though.
Most of the things I find strange about them is requesting a Gunsmith check over and over again, which seemed to earn them a townread from many here, despite the fact that it can easily be the fact that a Gunsmith is not even in the game. And even if the Gunsmith is in the game, they could have been blocked by Mobian on N0, further delaying the many players requesting to be cleared. Note that ian is claiming Mechanical Engineer, meaning that he knows for sure he didn't get checked yet.
It's a gamble, but if you consider the fact that mafia could have the tools to stop a Gunsmith, it's not much of a Gamble anymore.
As I said, most of my proactive plays are based on game mechanics, so I advise the Gunsmith to speak up if they can confirm 2 players or they caught someone in a lie.
So, time for another summary of reads. I didn't need one day 2 because I felt really sure about the mafia read, but like day 1, I do not really get that confidence here, yet...
More walls incoming.
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Current reads from town to scum:
kaempfer13, worldwideweb3, Submachine, Annele, iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, vagman13, MasterWalks, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo, Linkcat
Extremely helpful for town with solid arguments, with bonus points for agreeing on many reads.
With how Mobian was trying a killing blow at the last second, mafia just seems really unlikely.
No weapon claim before any sane mafia would. Slight minus for all the bad plans he has concocted, but seems genuinely interested in helping town.
Slayer of Mobian. Though not very active, it's activity from not being around much. Not the scummy lurking when you could easily have made time to post kind.
Cannot tell if passive aggressive about not being acknowledged as town, or genuinely frustrated. Actions do not speak for town, but will give benefit of doubt over no weapon claim and details.
Generally faulty actions and lack of content posting in first nights and days. I see improvement and other people I town read, town read Oa, so I'll him him off easy. For now.
No activity, no read :( I'll give him bonus points for voting Mobian, though.
Putting the shit in shitposting.
Scum read by a lot of people I read town, in the list of people training w3 and in the list of omitting Mobian. Rest is already stated in my previous posts.
Defending Mobian and trying to kill w3 for all the wrong reasons. General lack of posts, absolute lack of arguments.
oh wow, maf really wanted espi dead.
With Mobian, dawn and Link voting Espithel, hrmmm...
Lmao
I'm a god.
Insig is town.
And now he makes another crappy statement on a very suspicious person without even giving arguments again. You know what? We'll find out if IW really is town soon enough. Linkcat seems to know far more than he should, yet refuses to give any reasons for his actions apart from the occasional orchestration. It's time for some answers. If IW is scum, lynch the cat next.
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
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MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
Insig is being very strange this game. His quietness isnt that sus but his interactions with w3 are super duper off putting.
can someone fill me in on the Cal scum reads? Ive been outta the game for a bit. Will consider changing my vote if someone can convince me he is scummy.
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TorB, you're better off just Nightkilling me inatead of trying to shade me in thread.
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MW is screaming mafia to me rn. Like a guy who’s Been sus on sub all game suddenly going on insig cause of some “interaction” when insig has only like 10 posts or so.
I don’t want a weeb lynch this phase, I think he’s just anub town with not much time on hand. I also won’t have much time before deadline due to hockey stuff. Avoid doing a last minute wagon change.
Kill cal MW or Oa.
Cal, MW, Oa and IW who do you think are the other two scums?
Ian you were meant to Make a post with reads.
Let’s not give it away now town, we are in a good position.
Vaggy, just vote w me k? :D
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Cal, MW, Oa and IW who do you think are the other two scums?
I think its IW and one of the more actives; prob TorB, Sub, you, or Link.
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Cal, MW, Oa and IW who do you think are the other two scums?
I think its IW and one of the more actives; prob TorB, Sub, you, or Link.
Ok, you have some explaining to do. Link is barely active. He has been shitposting all game and has same posts as you. Ian is active and you scumread him and now suddenly he’s not on this list? You town read me and I’m on the list? You’ve been contradicting yourself so much q.q
Someone go over all of MWs posts (kae?) And see if you get a maf vibe. Or a very bad town vibe.
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Serious
Okay I would like to point out a 180 personality change with kaempfer. Kinda weird.
Espithel is acting the exact same as last game. EXACT same.
shock is acting normal.
not serious
Everyone has commented something except Annele. Quite=Mafia.
All civ (99% sure)
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Not sure if I spot a shade here. just in case in order to stay consistent with my previous statement:
It was obvious that my approach to the game would change. I already changed dramatically midgame last time, spent half of it dead while still following, announced vaguely beforehand while signing up that I'll play more "like Linkcat expects" (though I have no idea tbh, what notscum(?) Linkcat would expect from me; point is I'm trying sth different) and also follow Linkcats other game, so I will copy a lot of lingu and techniques from there. None of this says anything about my alignement and I probably nuked this point way too hard. You changed last game because you were getting used to mafia and because you started gaining attention. i do not like that you want to play how Linkcat expects you to. you should do the opposite, but I also dont really know how he expects you to play, I imagine its how TORB is currently playing
As for shock, normal for him or actually normal? He usually only gets going Day1 it seems. This is true and I digress here
Im not forgetting Espithel, but I want him to respond directly first.
However, Annele is a face I have not seen in quite some time, and it's a day after night 0. I would be lenient on her.
Not only this, but Dawn, Shock, Weeb, and Naii are currently just as inactive as Annele.
Why did you single out Annele, Walks?
Well to be completely honest, I just noticed she is the only one at the top of the page with (1) post. I havent kept up 100% with this game.
Insig being quite is him "being consistent" like the cool kids, same goes for d2d.
So i guess I will call out Naii and Annele for being lurking scum.
Protecting d2d.
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Since people dont seem to think much of it, I'll explain why making an unarmed claim as mafia is asking for death, so long as you cannot consistently deny a gunsmiths existence/ability.
Normally, a player has an about 50% chance of having a weapon. That doesnt mean much. its usually either a powerrole or mafia, with the former being more probable due to mafia making up far less than half the population.
Naturally, the confirmed town result is a bit more favourable, but thats not particularly relevant for the scenario here.
However, once a no-weapon claim has been made, being found with one is an instant bust. A sane villager wouldnt lie about that, so it must be scum.
As such it is always more attractive for a gunsmith to target someone with such a claim, making it even riskier when it's fake.
There is an over 60% chance of a town gunsmith existing (assuming Ginyu set up completely randomly) and mafia doesnt have access to anything fully confirming roles until after the officer died.
The closest things they can have to countermeasures for gunsmith is an agent hiding on the only person to ask for such a check and not seeing them visited by anyone and a security guard consistently targeting the 1 mafia that made the claim (cannot be themselves).
PlayerOa claimed after their security guard had just died and its extremely unlikely the last member is another guard (if its Oa he needs to find the actual gunsmith in order for it to work). He's basically never mafia.
I've taken off my tinfoil hat. We're not targeting any of Sub, ian and Oa until a gunsmith claim tells us to do so. It is good that the most suspicious people among us could clear themselves this way so we can find the actual mafia. Also, slight FoS at everyone keeping the PoE open and not wait for a gunsmith claim or extreme situation where we actually need to be suspicious of the people with such a claim since there is noone suspicious or neutral left. You're just asking for a misslynch.
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Considering you are mafia, why would you kill moe?
Who are your 3 ideal mafia teammates?
Do you like playing as mafia or town?
1) Because he was town. Less town means more chance of mafia to win.
2) Espithel and Insig. I wanna see if its possible to overdose on weebiness.
3) Never played as mafia so idk. I think i would be bad mafia but im not great town so yea, dunno an answer to this one.
Yes, you are bad mafia.
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I'm thinking Linkcat and either Oa or MW.
Linkcat because he defended Mobian, MW because of the just revealed contradictions, and Oa because of some interactions with one of the confirmed maf that was previously discussed (if my memory remembers correctly.)
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shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
EBWOP
Moved from his strongest scumread which was sub to me to protect dawn, his teammate.
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Also, don't lynch me. I have a somewhat important role. Will not reveal unless absolutely necessary.
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Ok TORB said i was unhelpful with a mancrush on shock. Shock is str8 ballin so i wont deny the mancrush but I cant really be more helpful at this moment.
Here is all the info i can give aside from a role claim.
I did not use my ability N0, i wanted to have a good target first. I used it tonight.
As for reads, I dont have much. Sub and w3 stand out as the most scummy. Espi and Linkcat are naturally scummy. kaempfer seems off compared to previous games but i think you can attribute that to him being more comfortable with mafia since this is his second game. I cant say i have a scum read on TORB or ian but i think they are worth watching closely. They seem active enough yet not too controversial. they could pass as mafia but i wouldnt put money on it. Shock and insig are acting normal but also worth watching. Nobody else has really stood out to me.
No mention of mobian or d2d. How convenient.
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MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
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Mobians modkill request should be ignored in the grander scheme of mafia. Speaking to him privately, that post had nothing to do with this mafia specifically necessarily, but more personal reasons. I digress from it and the rest of us should too.
Now, to offer something, here is my town read in order form most town to least town.
kaempfer13, w3, vagman, TorB.
Literally said me and torb are town them puts us in scum list
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*then
Stalking MW complete.
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Damn so this is what pressure in mafia is like.
Its not too bad yet so no need to role reveal.
I did not protect anyone. Im running pretty solo this game. I havent committed to any plans nor have i tried to defend anyone. My "strongest" scum reads that you mention are not that strong. I have been stating this all game. My "strongest" scum reads are simply based on hunches. I have town reads. I have strong town reads. But no strong scum reads.
Yea those contradictions are pretty bad. I can see that now. I have slightly breadcumbed this game and thats probably where the contradictions are arising. I can answer any questions you got for me but yea Im not mafia.
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@w3 (bad) town vibe. as you can see I always had him in my townreads. seems he's expecting talkative people to give some major evidence of being town, otherwise he'll naturally find some things they say suspicious by sheer quantity of available information that may be interpreted negatively. Also, he's sheeping his townreads and copying their reasons. While this kind of behaviour is beneficial for mafia so long as the reads are off, I think we just have a town with no strong confidence in their own ability here.
Although I do have to look into him sccumreading his townreads again.
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After reading all that,I believe MW to be town, bad town but still town.will vote on Iweebo
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I’m p sure one of cal/MW to be maf, so wouldn’t mind either of them being lynched. Just don’t lynch anyone else lel
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Slight mafia read on dawn.
Will sort the rest into whoever another time.
This is why I’m struggling to scum read IW.
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Lynching me rn gives no info.
Obv i have no scum reads so if i flip officer or Gunsmith or Neighbor yall aint going to get any info.
Im not mafia so you wont score.
i dont have drug dealer sadly and I dont have vigilante so im not the one who killed d2d.
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fine, vote on calindu
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MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (5) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13
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82 friggin pages! Bring chat back!
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Slight mafia read on dawn.
Will sort the rest into whoever another time.
This is why I’m struggling to scum read IW.
I dunno, this post was made after a bunch of other people scumread dawn and almost lynched him, and was not followed up by a vote in the next round. In fact, IW proceeded to only vote to protect Mobian. To me reads as an easy scum read to throw off suspicion early on. Did IW ever "sort the rest" in the end?
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Yh, requesting full readlist from IW.
I will likely vote for one of cal and IW.
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Town:
kae
ian
TorB
Sub
Neutral/Unsure: (Top to bottom is Town to Maf)
w3
Annele
vagman
MW
Cali
Maf:
Oa
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MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (6) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo
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Yo, hold up, there is a scumread on a player that requested a gunsmith check there. Not saying it's impossible, but whats your basis?
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also where's Link?
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@ IW Can I ask for reasonings for your reads? (Edit since kae beat me to it:) Also yeah, where's Link?
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Link is in Maf.
I might be misremembering things again, but I could've sworn Oa was defending either d2d or mobi at some point. That and I agree with the notation that mafia might be requesting gunsmith checks because either there is no gunsmith or gunsmith is mafia.
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You know who else defended Mobi?
I outlined why maf has almost no way of knowing if town has a gunsmith (there is no limit to the role either, so maf having one doesnt mean a thing even if they do) and that the odds are stacked against them.
Also need your reason for Link maf.
And why is ian so high if you dont trust the gunsmith argument?
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Town:
kae
ian
TorB
Sub
Neutral/Unsure: (Top to bottom is Town to Maf)
w3
Annele
vagman
MW
Cali
Maf:
Oa
ian - He seems to know what he's doing judging by the whole motion sensor thing he's doing.
TorB - Same reasoning as kae
Sub - I trust that his grid is there for a good reason, even if we don't know what it is right now.
w3 - A little aggressive, but I don't think that means he's maf. Still a bit sus.
Annele - I don't know much about her mafia playstyle, but doesn't seem to be too scummy.
vagman - He's been inactive for a good portion of the game, otherwise don't have too many reads on him
MW - The contradictions from earlier, but I'm also thinking the reason he's playing differently is because of his supposed important role. Still keeping an eye on him.
Cali - A bunch of others have reasons to think he's maf, but I haven't looked too much into him yet.
(Already mentioned Oa)
Link - (Yes, I know I defended Mobi but that was mostly because of his previous mafias.) Actually starting to move him into neutral but probably maf. Link defended Mobi, but he also was against d2d...
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Lmao at that Mobian post.
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
10/10 defense.
Mobi was also in his sus list earlier.
You may want to jog your memory. Perhaps read actual posts before making reads?
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ya got me there
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Im getting a frustration read off insig...
Here is what I am seeing. Insig is worried at the moment and is scrambling to make a defense. I bet he hasnt really been keeping up on mafia since i know he has got busier IRL. HOWEVER his defense is literally copy and pasting what everyone has already said. There is nothing in his reads that seems unique. Even someone who hasnt been keeping up with maf as much can usually bring a read that stands out. His ian read kinda does but also kinda doesnt. I think he is mafia or just a really OOTL town. I know your going to be getting off soonish and your case isnt really improving. You might wanna role claim if you can get info out of it. Not to be rude, but youre not that helpful this game and if you do claim and you do have an important role, you will be NK'd. That would be the better for the town. Mafia will waste a NK on an unhelpful town and you get to live another 48 hours.
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I'm not exactly the most voted person, but I'll just reveal anyways since I might end up getting lynched while I'm sleeping.
I'm Agent. Followed kae N0, tried to follow shock N1 but he got modkilled, hid from kae N2.
MW's right. I haven't been as useful as I hoped to be. But I will say that you should try to keep kae alive.
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MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef,
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Let insig live. If he doesnt get NK'd we can visit him with a lynch later.
I dont really have a read on Calindu so ima just wagon.
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MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
I would think there should be a better reason to lynch someone than just to wagon...
Still. If Calindu flips maf, we'll get the happy coinkydinky of me guessing a mafia correctly for three nights on a row.
TorB, you're better off just Nightkilling me inatead of trying to shade me in thread.
Right back at ya.
I would have done so N0 if I had a say in it. Except I am neither vigilante nor mafia.
Bad town, mafia... I'll shade anyone trying to shade people I know to be town.
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Oddly enough, that roleclaim by IW actually did convince me provided all of it is true. Especially targeting the marked for modkill shock :silly:
With my current reads I could pile on Cal, but at this point thats totally meaningless. I'll have to rethink everyone else a little though if I have to assume IW is town.
Link would be the next best bet for lack of explanations, but would he really bus that hard from the start? He ought to know people will be wary of him either way.
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I'll note that some of the things MW says sound way smarter than others; may have to look into him after all. He's also a townread of mine that has no strong mechanical or voting pattern based evidence of being town.
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Cal, it’s not a bad time to role claim and give any info you have.
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I take Cals continued silence as admittance of guilt. Question is who is his partner?
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Not gonna bother, woke up with 7 votes on me on a random wagon during the night and lost all interest. I'll hammer the lynch even harder.
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
Good luck
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The lynch can change, many people are active. If you’re town and important, not helping town regardless if you’re gonnna be lynched or not is bad ):
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well, if you are town, we still win as a team. Give us everything you have that helps more than it does harm. If you know your lynch to be a misslynch we might need it.
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I'm friendly neighbour, and since talking with one of my highly regarded towns would require too much activity, I didn't use my ability. I said I'm better at analysing game mechanics, but I had no info with my role.
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I dont buy it, it's still usefull to do it even if the messages only go the other way. sure it is a small risk that it tells mafia you are nothing more important than that, but I regard that risk as small beyond n3 if you choose your targets carefully.
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*n2*
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I will provide a scumread list after this night. I still have to figure some stuff out.
ALSO, 48 HOUR NIGHT PHASES AGAIN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Was the list invisible?
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MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef,
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
Before I end up casting my vote into the :aether, I use it on the currently suspicious person most likely to react to it.
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Wat
I thought i wasnt sus anymore wth
And you want me to react? I already gave everything i could. I have nothing else and here you are bleeding me dry.
You Capitalist.
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Kae, fix the votes.
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EBWOP:
Soz, grabbed the wrong post, this is not a new vote.
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
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The people's mindsets changed heavily during the last few days. They have always been calm and were up to make compromises even in bad times. Those times are now gone. With people dying during the night and weird creatures living in the village, there was no dispute about outright killing one of their suspects today. And indeed, they found another one of those creatures - when will this nightmare finally end? How many more of them are to find? What are they, and why do they kill people?
Calindu was lynched. He was a Whisperer Friendly Neighbour.
Night 3 started. There is no time left!
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Ez
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Yeet
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Cool!
Now explaining my rogue vote: MW, so far you have shown pretty violent reactions to the slightest bit of shade, as such i had some hope I would get a reaction out of this completely meaningless threat ;)
But looks like even you are not fazed by sth this small. Makes sense.
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Doc, do your thing and keep protecting me kthnx.
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Nice. Guess my streak of nightly guesses continues with a perfect streak. Still, hmmm... whom is the last mafia?
I fully suspect them to be have voted to lynch Cal.
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Nice. Guess my streak of nightly guesses continues with a perfect streak. Still, hmmm... whom is the last mafia?
I fully suspect them to be have voted to lynch Cal.
Excuse me don’t steal my credit.
MW is probs the last mafia
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Everybody role claim... There is only 1 mafia left. We can actually strategize if we do and find the final one pretty quickly
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better to do it during the day if it all.
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Hoooold on roleclaim only if it actually gives us any info. Remember haunt is still in play.
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Haunt is an instant loss, i dont think drug dealer can target self (actually I cant believe noone brought that up during Subs initial idea)
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But lets not offer officer on a silverplater
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Haunt is bad as it makes noise. Anyway, roleclaim is like the worst thing to do right now.
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I forgot about haunt... Yea maybe not such a good idea. However, we have 2 people who have claimed so cant haunt work already?
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I don't care if I get haunted lul
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Haunt makes noise, which stands out when everyone agrees to be silent.
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Haunt makes noise, which stands out when everyone agrees to be silent.
Yea kinda forgot about that in the heat of the moment. Still opposed to a mass roleclaim though, if not only to let officer do officer things in peace.
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How helpful would it be if we had like 4 truthful claims and none of them officer?
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Really, if mafia does use haunt and it makes noise, who cares if we have our abilities taken away, we would have the last mafia in our sights
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How helpful would it be if we had like 4 truthful claims and none of them officer?
Very helpful for mafia at least, as 3 sub/iancu/i already have claimed to not have a weapon (and can’t be officer). Autostrada for finding the Officer, given the claims are true.
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How about you wait until the day with that... and it doesnt make sense anyway. A massclaim is supposed to box the mafia in by giving them few options of what they can safely claim without looking sus. As such for it to work everyone has to claim. However , personally I dont see a mafia having trouble claiming (likely truthfully) right now.
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Nice. Guess my streak of nightly guesses continues with a perfect streak. Still, hmmm... whom is the last mafia?
I fully suspect them to be have voted to lynch Cal.
Excuse me don’t steal my credit.
Elaboration would require a role claim.
How helpful would it be if we had like 4 truthful claims and none of them officer?
Really, if mafia does use haunt and it makes noise, who cares if we have our abilities taken away, we would have the last mafia in our sights
If you know everyone's roles apart from officer, the officer can be nightkilled. Just reducing the pool of people that could be officer increases the odds of getting the officer killed. If you had a 100% chance of catching the mafia next day, it would not hurt, since the officer could be protected for one night. But that would require the officer to confirm someone as mafia, which needs the right target.
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We are down to 1 mafia and 11 total people. The Officer has a pretty slim chance of finding mafia this night or next. The better we do as town, the less effective Officer is.
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Ok its MW after all, lol. Sorry for protecting him this long.
The turning point for me was this:
Im getting a frustration read off insig...
Here is what I am seeing. Insig is worried at the moment and is scrambling to make a defense. I bet he hasnt really been keeping up on mafia since i know he has got busier IRL. HOWEVER his defense is literally copy and pasting what everyone has already said. There is nothing in his reads that seems unique. Even someone who hasnt been keeping up with maf as much can usually bring a read that stands out. His ian read kinda does but also kinda doesnt. I think he is mafia or just a really OOTL town. I know your going to be getting off soonish and your case isnt really improving. You might wanna role claim if you can get info out of it. Not to be rude, but youre not that helpful this game and if you do claim and you do have an important role, you will be NK'd. That would be the better for the town. Mafia will waste a NK on an unhelpful town and you get to live another 48 hours.
This is a great post! It reflected my thoughts at the time without me even mentioning them. So why do i suddenly turn on you? well, i simply don't expect it to come from you. you either looked it up on the internet or had Calindu tell you to do it. Where is your "I dont have any scumreads"-attitude? Insig was under heavy fire from me, so a great opportunity for a misslynch. Granted, i townread him from his roleclaim perhaps a bit more than i have any right to. But thats not even the point here.
I believe you just want to kill the officer before you lose.
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Damn so you really think im mafia?
Want me to role claim and name targets now or on day phase?
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maybe you want to address the content of my post first?
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Vigilante is on cooldown, so you'll live to see the next day, regardless.
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Unless, of course, we somehow have two vigilantes. That would be fun. But it seems unlikely.
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Or mafia shoots our prime suspect :P
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Also, im starting to see a MW dumb ignore him vibe off everyone. I kinda like it tbh
That post was a real post. idk how i could look it up on the internet lmao. I cant pm since im town so yea, that came from my pea brain.
We can use code to say stuff right but only if its public? I only know one little code thing so here it is.
P.S its not really meant to be typed out but done in person.
The name of the game is snaps
General Knox had a wonderful armory
Snap, Snap, Snap, Snap, Snap
Nobody had an armory quite like Knoxs
Some would say he had spent his whole life building that armory
Maybe he did, all i know is its the El Dorado of weapons
Snap, Snap, Snap
Today i believe i will visit it.
However it is cursed and i had no way to get in.
For my target
The name of the game is not snaps
Finding the map that lead to the armory was the easy part.
Snap, Snap, Snap
Getting inside the armory was the hard part
Hand on the rock in moonlight opened a door
Tunnels and tunnels led me to the armory room
Snap, Snap
Reaching the main room i meet my doom.
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Yh, i read that between the lines when you said you didnt use you ability day 1. Still not sure if that makes you town.
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Welp then im outta defenses.
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fwiw sub is 100% confirmed town
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Ok its MW after all, lol. Sorry for protecting him this long.
The turning point for me was this:
Im getting a frustration read off insig...
Here is what I am seeing. Insig is worried at the moment and is scrambling to make a defense. I bet he hasnt really been keeping up on mafia since i know he has got busier IRL. HOWEVER his defense is literally copy and pasting what everyone has already said. There is nothing in his reads that seems unique. Even someone who hasnt been keeping up with maf as much can usually bring a read that stands out. His ian read kinda does but also kinda doesnt. I think he is mafia or just a really OOTL town. I know your going to be getting off soonish and your case isnt really improving. You might wanna role claim if you can get info out of it. Not to be rude, but youre not that helpful this game and if you do claim and you do have an important role, you will be NK'd. That would be the better for the town. Mafia will waste a NK on an unhelpful town and you get to live another 48 hours.
This is a great post! It reflected my thoughts at the time without me even mentioning them. So why do i suddenly turn on you? well, i simply don't expect it to come from you. you either looked it up on the internet or had Calindu tell you to do it. Where is your "I dont have any scumreads"-attitude? Insig was under heavy fire from me, so a great opportunity for a misslynch. Granted, i townread him from his roleclaim perhaps a bit more than i have any right to. But thats not even the point here.
I believe you just want to kill the officer before you lose.
Can people stop taking my credit smh go away
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Also we don’t talk like this at this stage in night, c’mon town sort it out.
Officer, if you will be claiming after the night phase, drop any info you have a second before the phase end in case you get naked.
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Nked*
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Let’s save the cock measuring for after the game w3 :silly:
Also someone please enlighten me on MWs post
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yh, i guess its pointless to hide info thats public anyway :P
first part is "gunsmith"
second part "fighter" (my nick in english)
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Nobody is stealing www’s credit, they can reach the same conclusion independently. TorB and kae deserve the credit just as much.
This is the thing I decided to reply to. >.< It was bugging me, that’s all.
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I'm claiming all the credit.
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Nobody is stealing www’s credit, they can reach the same conclusion independently. TorB and kae deserve the credit just as much.
This is the thing I decided to reply to. >.< It was bugging me, that’s all.
MY CREDIT IS BEING STOLEN MY BANK BALANCE IS DECREASING
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:^)_(^:
{:(^):}
{:)^(:}
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EZ Game, EZ Life
Requesting the vig to shoot TorB since he would be hard to lynch.
I'll try to find the last scum if it's not him in case I die tonight.
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Hey Linkcat, would you mind a Paranoid Doc on you tonight? Asking for a friend.
I don't remember what that does, but sure.
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I want doc on me.
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Ok, time to update the lynchlog ( i felt it kinda pointless, but its a weird look if I dont. Sure enough it further points towards MW):
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheOnlyRealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (5) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (6) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef,
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
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Also, Im derpclearing Linkcat.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (5) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (6) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef,
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
If i had to choose anyone else but MW it would be vag or ian, but they are town.
Lol, what?
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Lets see if you can find the officer in the time you have left, MW ;)
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Im fairly confused still as to why you are scum reading me.
I am always bad town. I bet would be bad mafia too. Why in the world would i be the last mafia to be lynched? Shouldnt i be like the first one?
I haven't bussed or end day vote hoped.
I haven't said anything scummy other than a few contradictions and pineapple on pizza. I see how thats bad but new information becomes available as the game progresses. Of course i would be changing views as the game goes on.
You say i changed form no scum reads in early game to suddenly i have reads. Uh, im pretty sure thats how mafia works.
If i was mafia, i would be aggro mafia. I really really enjoyed playing aggro GN last game and im sure i could be a decent aggro mafia. I am not aggro this game.
Really, just give me more evidence as to why i am mafia. You and w3 are the only ones i am seeing that are scum reading me. TorB (the guy who has been right about every mafia so far) put me neutral.
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When you finally said sth smart with a solid scumread attached to it i could no longer derpclear you (either someone told you to do it or you could have done better from the start). Also, while you consistently sheeped some villagers in posting you didnt actually follow in votes at least if it involved scum.
Also your gunsmith claim is actually a bit odd. I had assumed you would go for Sub (get blocked by Mobian) and try again on n2 as we heavily encouraged it. Naturally, when you hunt for officer confirming that a villager indeed doesnt have a weapon isnt any use. seems you checked me instead?
Your voting pattern overall is terrible.
There isnt really much content from you that would actually help town. I had thought for the longest time that thats simply all we can expect from you, but maybe you are a bit more capable after all.
Also, literally everyone else has proven themselves to be town in one way or another.
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Im fairly confused still as to why you are scum reading me.
I am always bad town. I bet would be bad mafia too. Why in the world would i be the last mafia to be lynched? Shouldnt i be like the first one?
I haven't bussed or end day vote hoped.
I haven't said anything scummy other than a few contradictions and pineapple on pizza. I see how thats bad but new information becomes available as the game progresses. Of course i would be changing views as the game goes on.
You say i changed form no scum reads in early game to suddenly i have reads. Uh, im pretty sure thats how mafia works.
If i was mafia, i would be aggro mafia. I really really enjoyed playing aggro GN last game and im sure i could be a decent aggro mafia. I am not aggro this game.
Really, just give me more evidence as to why i am mafia. You and w3 are the only ones i am seeing that are scum reading me. TorB (the guy who has been right about every mafia so far) put me neutral.
This screams a mafia post. Torb isnt the only one who has been right about every mafia. Seriously, your defence is weak, just like every other mafia members has been this game.
P.S. Doc on me pls. kthnx.
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Alright thats a fair argument.
For the N0 and D1 i had no idea how my role worked. Then everyone started talking about what gunsmith should do. Thats when it clicked with me thats its a GN that finds town. Cool, so if i targeted sub it would comeback as either a weapon or not. If it did comeback as a weapon, there is still a good chance he could be town and it wouldnt be enough to convince people otherwise. He is active enough he may just have an important role like officer and i dont want to flame him for that.
So i targeted you because i was getting Orchestration vibes off you. You came back as no weapon so you are confirmed town.
What sucks is that because i didnt know how my role worked, i got a late start.
If you all lynch me and when i flip town i will not let you guys here the end of it.
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You don't expect me to townread you after making an excuse for 1 out of 5 points I mentioned now, do you?
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Okay lay out the 5 points and ill tackle them to the best of my ability
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Alright thats a fair argument.
For the N0 and D1 i had no idea how my role worked. Then everyone started talking about what gunsmith should do. Thats when it clicked with me thats its a GN that finds town. Cool, so if i targeted sub it would comeback as either a weapon or not. If it did comeback as a weapon, there is still a good chance he could be town and it wouldnt be enough to convince people otherwise. He is active enough he may just have an important role like officer and i dont want to flame him for that.
So i targeted you because i was getting Orchestration vibes off you. You came back as no weapon so you are confirmed town.
What sucks is that because i didnt know how my role worked, i got a late start.
If you all lynch me and when i flip town i will not let you guys here the end of it.
I'm not buying any of this
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The case you made on Insig was quite convincing. Why was this the only time you made a solid one (you did throw shades at other people, but only on superficial level)?
Why didnt you ask when we talked about the use of gunsmith as a way to find mafia? If you are not shock you need solid reasons to lie as town, as such an unarmed claim will always give you a check. Normally town, but if you find a weapon the fact that they bothered to claim the opposite confirms them as mafia, which is way more valuable.
Explain why you only followed your townreads if they piled on other town or the mafiamember was beyond saving.
Everyone else has done things that make them more likely to be town than not. What do you offer (other than a greencheck on me, which was unnecessary to claim at this point in time) ?
And your generally awfull voting pattern in general.
Ok, fine to skip this one: Could you have done more to try and help town?
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Weird my message got a little jumpled up;
EBWOP:
The case you made on Insig was quite convincing. Why was this the only time you made a solid one (you did throw shades at other people, but only on superficial level)?
Explain why you only followed your townreads if they piled on other town or the mafiamember was beyond saving.
And your generally awfull voting pattern in general.
Why didnt you ask when we talked about the use of gunsmith as a way to find mafia? If you are not shock you need solid reasons to lie as town, as such an unarmed claim will always give you a check. Normally town, but if you find a weapon the fact that they bothered to claim the opposite confirms them as mafia, which is way more valuable.
Everyone else has done things that make them more likely to be town than not. What do you offer (other than a greencheck on me, which was unnecessary to claim at this point in time) ?
Ok, fine to skip this one: Could you have done more to try and help town?
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Alright thats a fair argument.
For the N0 and D1 i had no idea how my role worked. Then everyone started talking about what gunsmith should do. Thats when it clicked with me thats its a GN that finds town. Cool, so if i targeted sub it would comeback as either a weapon or not. If it did comeback as a weapon, there is still a good chance he could be town and it wouldnt be enough to convince people otherwise. He is active enough he may just have an important role like officer and i dont want to flame him for that.
So i targeted you because i was getting Orchestration vibes off you. You came back as no weapon so you are confirmed town.
What sucks is that because i didnt know how my role worked, i got a late start.
If you all lynch me and when i flip town i will not let you guys here the end of it.
I'm not buying any of this
If it came back as weapon, he'd be lying and should have been lynched over it. I think you are telling the truth about targeting kaempf for a weapon check, but the best reason for weapon checking someone without a weapon claim is to hope and find the officer, imo.
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Weird my message got a little jumpled up;
EBWOP:
1) The case you made on Insig was quite convincing. Why was this the only time you made a solid one (you did throw shades at other people, but only on superficial level)?
2) Explain why you only followed your townreads if they piled on other town or the mafiamember was beyond saving.
And your generally awfull voting pattern in general.
3) Why didnt you ask when we talked about the use of gunsmith as a way to find mafia? If you are not shock you need solid reasons to lie as town, as such an unarmed claim will always give you a check. Normally town, but if you find a weapon the fact that they bothered to claim the opposite confirms them as mafia, which is way more valuable.
4) Everyone else has done things that make them more likely to be town than not. What do you offer (other than a greencheck on me, which was unnecessary to claim at this point in time) ?
5) Ok, fine to skip this one: Could you have done more to try and help town?
I numbered each one so you can follow me better.
Ill start off by saying at this point i dont think i can redeem myself and i will probably be lynched. So at this point im not really trying to save myself but trying to stop you guys from wasting a lynch (although we are far enough in the lead that i guess we can take it)
1) I know insig. I talk to insig a lot. We do the NL together and we chit chat. Since i know him i can read him better. I was able to make a good post off him because of this. I cant do the same for TorB or Naii, i dont really talk to them much. I talk to mobian quite a bit too but his modkill request really threw me off and i wasnt able to put a read out.
2) in mafia you follow what info you have. I have town reads so thats what i follow. I have a role that can get confirmed town. My entire existance in this game really seems to more of a passive intel gatherer rather than an offensive one like officer. I am simply doing what i can. This logic is true for my voting pattern. With no hard scum reads, i can only vote on people who i am unsure of alignment. People who i am not sure if they are town. This is why my voting pattern looks the way it does (although i dont really see whats so weird about it.)
3) What im about to say sounds shitty and scummy, but the reason i didnt talk is because i didnt want to role reveal and because up until i got my first read back on N1, i was incredibly bored with this mafia. I really didnt read much D1-N2. This is when all your gunsmith planning came into play. Also, everyone saying "oh check me, i dont have a weapon" was super unhelpful. I was thinking the whole time how a mafia member could say the same thing because how tf is a gunsmith going to be able to check all those people to see if they lying or not; it is an EoR ability after all. I zoned out when you guys were discussing all this. Too much possibility for misinformation.
4) I really have no idea how i can do that. If i dont get Nk'd (which i doubt i will since the sus on me rn is insane) I will reveal what my next target is and what i find, although at this point i am kinda worried i targeted the officer. You want scum reads? theyre shitty. I cant role claim again and i cant give anymore info, i gave it all. Im sorry but there is really nothing i can do to prove i am town without breaking the rules.
5) Probably yes. If i was more involved in the first few night/days i couldve gave a bit more info i guess. If i wouldve actually tried to understand my role i wouldnt have got a late start and would have 2 targets right now. I got carried away with shitposting and not enough actual paying attention.
@kaempfer. I know I publicly town confirmed you for the second game in a row. I got you killed last game and there is a good chance i get you killed this game too. If this tunnel is based on that then my deepest apologies lol.
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1. thats weird since now I think that Insig is town after all.
2. your day2 was on a person everyone wanted you to check -.- I'm not even gonna bother pointing out all the holes in this.
3. easy ways to talk about your role without giving it away: - Is it really more beneficial for the gunsmith to check people that already claimed?
- Galaxy brain version: If people already bothered to claim to be confirmable by gunsmith, doesnt that already make them more likely to be town? Shouldnt the gunsmith check other people instead?
4. That sucks.
5. Good luck trying better next time.
6. I expected to die a long time ago ;). Its telling me that I had the last mafias higher in my readlist than they ought to be. I suppose I'm in your hands now, but wouldnt it be kinda lame to go for me after you tried so hard to get the officer? ;)
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damnit kaempf you couldve told me these were rhetorical questions. Now i got carpal tunnel and you got regular tunnel :sillyspin:
Yea so im outta defenses. Ill just have a 48pt "Told You So" ready to post once you lynch me.
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Also, Im derpclearing Linkcat.
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (5) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (6) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef,
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
If i had to choose anyone else but MW it would be vag or ian, but they are town.
Lol, what?
Lmao, I hit modify instead of quote on mobile.
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i assume you mean the derpclearing part?
TorB hinted towards all 3 mafia that we found in the span of 2 days. I understand why you think such a feat is only possible with inside-info, but its still a bad move to do it as mafia and TorB is smart enough to know it. Also he gave formiddable reasoning for all of them (way beyond what you would do for easy towncred as busser) and if you had followed more actively, you would have realized that the towncore is just generally extremely strong this time around, while mafia slips constantly. You are suggesting killing our MVP.
Also, MW is Mafia.
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i assume you mean the derpclearing part?
TorB hinted towards all 3 mafia that we found in the span of 2 days. I understand why you think such a feat is only possible with inside-info, but its still a bad move to do it as mafia and TorB is smart enough to know it. Also he gave formiddable reasoning for all of them (way beyond what you would do for easy towncred as busser) and if you had followed more actively, you would have realized that the towncore is just generally extremely strong this time around, while mafia slips constantly. You are suggesting killing our MVP.
Also, MW is Mafia.
I don't know or care who he hinted at, I do know that he made votes to counter a dawn lynch and a Cal lynch, and the one he actually tried to lynch was the best bus option. Our town core is huge and if one is mafia, it's probably TorB. If not, then we won anyway. That's why it's a good play to shoot him.
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Would you rather have had me vote Calindu last day? Logically speaking, what would have been the benifit? Calindu was already getting lynched, nothing could change that. Even MasterWalks realized and went with the bandwagon, just to bandwagon. I mean, really? He's my next guess, so he must be maf :sillyspin:
I would much rather pressure other people some to try and expose the final mafia, than just dump another vote on Calindu and kill discussion. It is illogical to waste an opportunity to learn more about the final mafia member.
And for day 1, does that not include practically everyone? My scum read was still weak at that point, so despite suspecting dawn N0 like I hinted at, I was easily convinced to vote no lynch since people I town read suggested it. I mean, I'm just some newb, what do I know? It wasn't until Mobian that I felt truly convinced on a scum read.
Assuming there is only one vigilante, the ability will be on cooldown this night regardless. Assuming MasterWalks is mafia as we suspect, you will not get the opportunity to kill me, regardless. But I will still defend any actions I have taken, due to my conviction of them being just and logical with the information given to me at that point in time. If you had more information and wanted me to act differently, you should have made a solid case with solid and sound arguments. The fact that Linkcat refuses to do so, pisses me off. For I cannot point out the logical fallicies a mafia would make if they tried to do so for an extended period of time. That's what all my suspicion was about. Is about.
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i assume you mean the derpclearing part?
TorB hinted towards all 3 mafia that we found in the span of 2 days. I understand why you think such a feat is only possible with inside-info, but its still a bad move to do it as mafia and TorB is smart enough to know it. Also he gave formiddable reasoning for all of them (way beyond what you would do for easy towncred as busser) and if you had followed more actively, you would have realized that the towncore is just generally extremely strong this time around, while mafia slips constantly. You are suggesting killing our MVP.
Also, MW is Mafia.
Aaaaa here’s the thing. I went after mob. Link went after dawn. And sub (to an extent) went after Cal. Torb just assumed those 3 would be dead regardless so bussed aaaaaaaaaaaa (not that I believe it that much, but a possibility just like you being a maf is still a possibility :^)
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Oh you voted no lynch Day 1? Yeah, you're town then. It's probably just Annele or vag. Could be MW too I guess, I'll just let you guys take care of the rest.
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I was wondering why I did not get a reply, but it turns out I did. I had to read back a bit.
I will use my ability in a way that's best for Town's interest.
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Link raises an excellent point. Are Annele and vagman more Town than others? Iirc, they both voted on Mobian, but that's it.
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vagman was on both votes that mattered at a good time to ultimately get them killed whilst Anneles vote was THE turning point (although Linkcat said it was a a good time to buss? Quite frankly this could have gone the same way as g11's infolynch ;D). They also give fair enough reasons (I like Annele better in this regard) and do seem to think it through although they do not necessarily read everything.
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This is from the lynchlog.
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
It does sound reasonable.
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It's also interesting that despite perfect town play would be to use weaponsmith on Sub to confirm a lie or town, MasterWalks did not just not check him for a weapon: he even proceeded to lynch vote Sub.
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While trying to tear apart everyone suspicious during the day, the people agreed to a shift system during the night. At any given time, at least 5 of them were awake so that a creature trying to kill someone would be caught immediately.
However, as much as the adrenaline pushed them day time, it drained their energy for the night much more than expected. The fact that they were just loosely organised did not help. At least, only one more victim needed to be counted for tonight... why is it just one at a time, anyway?
TheonlyrealBeef was silenced. He was a Town Policeman.
Day 4 started. There is no time left!
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Vote on MW
@Ginyu any chance we can get a shorter day if the votes are done early and are concrete?
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Officer, any chance you’ve info on MW Oa, or found the last mafia yet? q.q you’ve been so unhelpful :sillyspin: (don’t claim if you got nothing that’ll help us)
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MW is town
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Means that vaggy is mafia :sillyspin:
Vote on Oa my original hunch
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Lmao are you still tunneling me
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Yes, sadly for you ): I’ll go over thread tonight and see again
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With the evidence that piled up i find that hard to believe.
(I was going to make a post about my dumbblindness (automatically assuming that clueless=town) and that I should have seen MW mafia much sooner).
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Well in any case I think MW confirmed another town for sure?
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With the evidence that piled up i find that hard to believe.
(I was going to make a post about my dumbblindness (automatically assuming that clueless=town) and that I should have seen MW mafia much sooner).
A maf MW has no incentive to kill TorB imo, bit of a random one no?
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if Linkcat is not officer though, then it would make sense for him to be mafia, right?
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MW confirmed town for sure.
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if Linkcat is not officer though, then it would make sense for him to be mafia, right?
No. He doesn’t kill TorB either.
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Hm, since MW is gunsmith this is basically a full claim. I wonder if you should give your other result (might get them killed though and also tells if you were blocked at some point).
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N2 observed calindu which you proceeded to lynch anyway
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also doc, help plz next night :-[
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Linkcat does not carry a weapon.
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Such random bland accusations cast against an innocent do-gooder of justice will not be tolerated.
That would be me, of course.
In N0, I targeted dawn.
If I am officer, my continued investigation from N1 has led me to learn dawn is town. If I am not officer, then this statement only means I suspected dawn N0. No more, no less.
Nice. Guess my streak of nightly guesses continues with a perfect streak.
Therefore, it is only logical to conclude that I am...TheonlyrealBeef was silenced. He was a Town Policeman.
...dead? Nooo! My work is not yet finished, nooo... *returns to the void*
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Linkcat does not carry a weapon.
Ofc he doesn’t.
Let’s kill off Oa and win this thing already.
Also doc, mafia know you’re gonna target vag so they’ll nk me but you’re smart enough to bluff them and protect me so ty :sillyspin:
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Linkcat has drawn a lot of unnecessary attention which I think speaks more for his townside? Also mw confirms him
I'm inclined to believe vag, so that excludes both him and MW.
w3 would be a real madman. same for Sub.
PlayerOa I just dont see it.
ian I still feel somewhat uneasy about, but he joined the Calindutrain, hm, just about when Calindu wanted to use the excuse that the train grew too fast. But he also has an unarmed claim.
An IW team should have killed me sooner. (I believe I had everyone but Calindu at the bottom at all times).
Annele did turn the game in its current direction and I like her way of thinking, but I suppose we need to look into her again; votewise she was only on target when it didnt look too bad for mafia yet.
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I see MW still does whatever the hell he wants, but i guess I have to accept him on the team now.
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Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
The arguments for lynching ww3 seem to be that it'll implicate the people who voted for him last round if he's town. But wouldn't whoever we lynch this round also implicate the people who voted for them, if the lynch still flips town? And that way we can focus on someone who is more likely to be mafia rather than someone who reads town (at least to me). I think that lynching ww3 kinda overlaps info we got last round, especially since half the people voting for him this round are the same as last round, while voting for someone else gives us new connections and a completely different flip as well. (Am I using 'flip' right?)
I know voting Mobian right now might be unnecessary if he's killed anyway, but in case he's not. Mobian did seem rather suspicious, especially his recent turnaround on ww3, and as someone who hasn't seen him play before, the Espi post still seemed way over the top. No idea if that means anything now he's asking to be killed. Is it possibly just a rather dramatic form of reverse psychology? If so, I refuse to fall for it.
I'm also voting to keep the lead off ww3 right now. If we have to choose someone else, and no one has any better scumreads, maybe one of the ones voting for him. If Mobian is indeed mafia, then we're more likely to find others in the list on ww3. And that would still give us info regarding allegiances surrounding ww3 as well.
Him being the 2nd person to jump onto the No Lynch train is a little concerning. While I understand that there is a chance he did it to save his own life, I also feel like there were some other scummy reasons to vote No Lynch on the first night.
I dunno about the others who voted no lynch, but ww3 could have switched to shock to save himself, which seems much more helpful to mafia now we know shock was town. It could be trying to avoid suspicion, but seeing as people were already piling on him, I doubt it. I don't really buy this reasoning, sorry.
I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
Another thing: maybe mobian did ask to be modkilled and knowing that, Anelle bussed mob. Who knows lol.
Can you explain why?
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Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
The arguments for lynching ww3 seem to be that it'll implicate the people who voted for him last round if he's town. But wouldn't whoever we lynch this round also implicate the people who voted for them, if the lynch still flips town? And that way we can focus on someone who is more likely to be mafia rather than someone who reads town (at least to me). I think that lynching ww3 kinda overlaps info we got last round, especially since half the people voting for him this round are the same as last round, while voting for someone else gives us new connections and a completely different flip as well. (Am I using 'flip' right?)
I know voting Mobian right now might be unnecessary if he's killed anyway, but in case he's not. Mobian did seem rather suspicious, especially his recent turnaround on ww3, and as someone who hasn't seen him play before, the Espi post still seemed way over the top. No idea if that means anything now he's asking to be killed. Is it possibly just a rather dramatic form of reverse psychology? If so, I refuse to fall for it.
I'm also voting to keep the lead off ww3 right now. If we have to choose someone else, and no one has any better scumreads, maybe one of the ones voting for him. If Mobian is indeed mafia, then we're more likely to find others in the list on ww3. And that would still give us info regarding allegiances surrounding ww3 as well.
Him being the 2nd person to jump onto the No Lynch train is a little concerning. While I understand that there is a chance he did it to save his own life, I also feel like there were some other scummy reasons to vote No Lynch on the first night.
I dunno about the others who voted no lynch, but ww3 could have switched to shock to save himself, which seems much more helpful to mafia now we know shock was town. It could be trying to avoid suspicion, but seeing as people were already piling on him, I doubt it. I don't really buy this reasoning, sorry.
I never really stated my read on Mobian.
For the record, I don't scumread him.
Interpret that as you wish.
Another thing: maybe mobian did ask to be modkilled and knowing that, Anelle bussed mob. Who knows lol.
Can you explain why?
I put it on quote
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just in case , n3 target was IW, pretty decent secondary.
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Obviously vag speaks the truth unless we get a counterclaim.
And if we somehow get a counterclaim game is won anyway. Ie vag, MW and kaempf are confirmed town
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Ebwop so is Linkcat
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Aaaaaaaa this just got fun
Not for Oa tho :^)
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Also wtf is ians list, it was meant to be here last day phase.
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Lol w3, I’m completely calm about this, where does even your suspicion stem from? Afaik you’re the only one scumreading me, a scumread you appearently are incredibly confident about.
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*grabs popcorn*
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Lol w3, I’m completely calm about this, where does even your suspicion stem from? Afaik you’re the only one scumreading me, a scumread you appearently are incredibly confident about.
Afaik, your voting pattern.
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Alright guess I can’t convince you otherwise.
Was among the first on both d2d and cal, but yh I was convinced Mobian was town for reasons already explained. I can’t be the only one
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You took attention away from d2d too after.
As I said, I’ll read thread in a bit then see if I change my mind.
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Also wtf is ians list, it was meant to be here last day phase.
You can find my list here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/music/song-of-the-day/
:sillyspin:
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Lynchlog accounting for mechclears:
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (5) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (6) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef,
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
People currently suspected marked with dodgyblue:
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (5) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13
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Oops, cut off the bottom off suslog:
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat (should i count this one?)
Submachine (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
Linkcat (1) - iancudorinmarian
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
Submachine (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwidenoob3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - iancudorinmarian, Mobian
Submachine(1) MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - Linkcat
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Submachine(1) - MasterWalks
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
shockcannon (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (3) - Mobian, Linkcat, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (2) - Mobian, dawn to dusk
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) -worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, Calindu
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (1) - Annele
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele , vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Espithel (1) - Mobian
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
PlayerOa (1) - Linkcat
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Submachine, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (1) - MasterWalks
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Calindu, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (2) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef
TheonlyrealBeef (1) - Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (3) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
Mobian (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5)- Annele, vagman13, Mobian, PlayerOa, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, kaempfer13, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Calindu
shockcannon (8) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13, shockcannon
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu
shockcannon (7) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine, kaempfer13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon
shockcannon (6) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3, Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (7) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, shockcannon, kaempfer13
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian,
dawn to dusk (4) - Linkcat, Submachine, worldwideweb3, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (3) - Linkcat, Submachine, shockcannon
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
shockcannon (5) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian, worldwideweb3
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (1) - shockcannon
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (2) - Linkcat, Submachine
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (2) shockcannon, worldwideweb3
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, TheonlyrealBeef, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (3) - shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (4) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef
shockcannon (4) - PlayerOa, Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (4) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
shockcannon (3) - Annele, vagman13, Mobian
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (5) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, Espithel
too late:
shockcannon (2) - Annele, vagman13
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (6) - MasterWalks, iancudorinmarian, Calindu, kaempfer13, PlayerOa, Mobian
no lynch (5) shockcannon, worldwideweb3, Submachine, TheonlyrealBeef, EspithelMobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (1) - iancudorinmarian
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - PlayerOa
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (2) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (2) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
dawn to dusk (1) - Linkcat
Mobian (3) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (4) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3
worldwideweb3 (3) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (4) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (5) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
Mobian (6) - TheonlyrealBeef, kaempfer13, Linkcat, worldwideweb3, vagman13, Annele
worldwideweb3 (5) - iancudorinmarian, PlayerOa, dawn to dusk, Calindu, InsignificantWeeaboo
vagman13 (1) - Submachine
Submachine (1) - MasterWalks
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, iancudorinmarian
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (1) - PlayerOa
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (2) - PlayerOa, Linkcat
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (3) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine
PlayerOa (1) - TheonlyrealBeef
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (4) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, InsignificantWeeaboo
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (5) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (3) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef, MasterWalks
Calindu (6) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (2) - Annele, TheonlyrealBeef,
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (7) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks
MasterWalks (1) - worldwideweb3
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
MasterWalks (2) - worldwideweb3, kaempfer13
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - Annele
Calindu (8) - PlayerOa, Linkcat, Submachine, iancudorinmarian, vagman13, InsignificantWeeaboo, MasterWalks, Calindu
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Also wtf is ians list, it was meant to be here last day phase.
You can find my list here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/music/song-of-the-day/
:sillyspin:
Alright can we have a readlist now? I believe you're one of 2 people that could be it, so if you could just narrow that down for me a little bit we've got the win (pls serious reads on everyone (alive, may skip the mechclears, so thats just 5 people for you anyway), not just a guess on who that other person is and everyone else town :silly:)
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Sorry for being afk during night phase, am at orchestra camp atm.
I still think IW is a little sus, do we have any confirmation on him?
Otherwise, I really doubt Oa started the lynch trains on two other mafia. Although, he did switch from dawn when there was plausible deniability in round 1, and didn't have any one to jump on to in round 3, so maybe it was bad luck that vigil also struck dawn? It seems like a very long play to start out questioning a fellow mafia though, just in case they all die in quick succession and you're one of the last few unconfirmed. I don't think how well we've done with killing mafia could have been predicted, and our streak is probably in part due to Oa fuelling suspicion. If that's the only thing making him sus I doubt he's the mafia. Was there other evidence against him I missed?
Now, looking at the lynchlogs, ian did jump on dawn for a while, but backed off to train ww3 in both round 1 and round 2. He only jumped on cal when three others had and a lot of people were scumreading cal. If either voting pattern seems suspicious, ian's certainly looks a lot more like bussing and plausible deniability than Oa. He also doesn't seem to be very cooperative, as far as I can tell from his posts. (Although, since all three killed mafia went on long tirades in defence of themselves this is probably a good move.)
As for me, I don't really have a good defence - my ability's not the best right now (it would have been perfect if mafia had been a bit more competent lol), and my voting pattern hasn't really been that helpful, just me finding someone I think is suspicious and then not returning until after day phase is over, since that happen at 6am for me. I'll answer any questions you have though.
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Sorry for being afk during night phase, am at orchestra camp atm.
O R C H E S T R A T E
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Oa is town
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Oa is town
Do you want to call everyone a town?
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Just read claims, it's Annele or a longshot iancu.
MW, what a useless check lol.
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Aw man, if mw had chosen the clearly superior target we wouldnt have to secondguess now. But I suppose vig just shoots the other one and its still gg.
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Right, it's daytime.
PlayerOa (1) - worldwideweb3
Annele (1) - Linkcat
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Honestly, I don't have any reads. Literally anyone could be the last mafia at this point. And since there's no real rush, I'm not all that concerned if we mislynch. So I'm going with the guy who seems to know what he's doing.
PlayerOa (1) - worldwideweb3
Annele (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
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blarg, dont make me vote you. Mechanically it kinda has to be Annele, but your posts and votes are such a dissappointment that it physically hurts to vote Annele over you.
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Honestly, I don't have any reads. Literally anyone could be the last mafia at this point. And since there's no real rush, I'm not all that concerned if we mislynch. So I'm going with the guy who seems to know what he's doing.
PlayerOa (1) - worldwideweb3
Annele (2) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian
If you're trying to pocket me, you're doing a good job. Still lynching you if Annele flips town though.
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We need to vote. Don’t be inactive now town.
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PlayerOa (1) - worldwideweb3
Annele (3) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian , vagman13
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As I've said before, I have a useless role and I have no information whatsoever. If lynching me helps you reduce the potential scum list, then I'm happy to oblige.
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I'm slowly getting lost, so I need to put this together again. So, it is currently Day 4.
MW claims Gunsmith.
N0: nobody
N1: kaempfer (no weapon)
N2: nobody
N3: Linkcat (no weapon)
Do kaempfer and Linkcat confirm to have a role without weapon?
Vagman claims Officer.
N0: rolecheck MW
N1: confirm MW
N2: rolecheck Calindu
N3: rolecheck InsigW
He says MW is Town. Insig is one more Night away from being confirmed.
Nobody counterclaimed the Officer claim, so vaggy is also confirmed.
Linkcat admitted that he's just telling reads, so his posts are not as relevant in the matter.
Players alive:
1.Linkcat (confirmed)
3.MasterWalks (confirmed)
5.InsignificantWeeaboo (to be confirmed next)
6.iancudorinmarian
7.kaempfer13 (confirmed)
8.vagman13 (confirmed)
10.PlayerOa
14.worldwideweb3 (town driven)
15.Annele
16.Submachine
So this helped to globally narrow down the possible lynch targets to the following people:
- iancudorinmarian
- PlayerOa
- Annele
- Submachine
Out of these people, it's gotta be Annele.
PlayerOa (1) - worldwideweb3
Annele (4) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian , vagman13, Submachine
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It feels wrong to just pile on one person everyday, but 90% of the time this is correct.
PlayerOa (1) - worldwideweb3
Annele (5) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian , vagman13, Submachine, kaempfer13
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PlayerOa (1) - worldwideweb3
Annele (6) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian , vagman13, Submachine, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
Welp gotta start somewhere
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this helped to globally narrow down the possible lynch targets to the following people:
- iancudorinmarian
- PlayerOa
- Annele
- Submachine
The list above excludes Insig. If we counted Insig too, my lynch priority would be as follows:
- Annele/Insig
- PlayerOa
- iancu
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PlayerOa (2) - worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Annele (6) - Linkcat, iancudorinmarian , vagman13, Submachine, kaempfer13, PlayerOa
I actually think Oa is more scummy than Ann. Oa has looked like scum after the mobian vote and after the d2d vote. He has some very light defenses and he does seem a bit more worried right now than he did at the start of the game and there is no real reason for a town to be worried. (this part can be a little superstitious)
Either way I think its either oa or Ann and rn im leaning more to Oa.
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Ok, I'm just gonna go ahead and abuse my status as confirmed town and say the following thing about insig without actually explaining shit:
There is more to IWs roleclaim than I am saying. You probably noticed that i did a complete 180 on him after that kinda meh claim.
There is a reason for it. YoU CaN TrUsT mE ;)
I can roleclaim if its absolutely necessary, but I dont think so.
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I dont get the people that find Oa more suspicious than ian.
Both are unlikely though due to the gunsmith risk.
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I find ian to be more proactive than Oa, plus he was faster to come out with the weaponless claim.
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Ok, I'm just gonna go ahead and abuse my status as confirmed town and say the following thing about insig without actually explaining shit:
There is more to IWs roleclaim than I am saying. You probably noticed that i did a complete 180 on him after that kinda meh claim.
There is a reason for it. YoU CaN TrUsT mE ;)
I can roleclaim if its absolutely necessary, but I dont think so.
We know insig is town anyways. No one was going after him.
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I would like to request role and targets of Anne in case it’s not her. >_>
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Birds are singing, wind is whistling. It was just now that everyone realizes these sounds have been away for years. Now that they are back, everyone suddenly feels better, the anger is replaced by relief, the fanaticism by rest. After today, there was nothing more to be frightened of.
In front of them lies the last of these things. They still don't really know who they are or where they came from, but they don't care. Not anymore. They are gone, that's all. They lost some of their neighbours within the last days, but now they can at least trust each other again, and get some healthy sleep during the upcoming night.
Annele was lynched. She was a Whisperer Grave Robber.
The Civilians won Mafia 72. Congratulations!
(https://up.picr.de/36221324nw.gif)
Any feedback is welcome!
One thing I noticed is how easy it was to avoid noise without a real drawback for town. That needs to be adressed if this is rerun at some point. For instance, an Agent performing an action two nights in a row could generate some, and other roles could be reworked similarly. Giving a role around two uses to perform their ability quietly, and otherwise with noise, may also work well. If many beneficial abilities create noise (always or only if used often), refusing to use them will result in less payout for town, but if done well, give the Whisperers an easier time to stay hidden when making noise themselves. Further, making noise might actually get slight townread, which might or might not be good, depending on the reworked overall setup.
I hope you all had fun playing this mafia, and that I will see you again in my future setups. I am actually working on some new ideas, but do not intend to host for at least the next game. See you, and thanks for playing!
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Kae, did you ever protect me q.q
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ez
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Nope, lol. Alternated between Torb and I, then protected Torbs murderer on that night (either officer or mafia, I made the wrong guess)
With how loud you screamed for it you were never gonna get killed anyway.
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Yeah, when I found out kae targeted himself I figured he was one of the doctors. I should probably have realized he would have targeted himself again N2.
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I’m sad that we ended it without making noise.
@vag: How was your first game?
On phone, so this is all I post now.
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I still have questions regarding MWs playstyle. I get that he might struggle to understand his role and that he might have put in extra-effort into reading IW (or it simply seemed that way for once to me, as I was actually agreeing). What I don't get is why he repeatedly ignored advice for his role (even after claiming and having it explained in detail), stood out of the discussion for it, even though it was evident that not everyone involved was gunsmith so participating in it was by no means a giveaway and then voted to lynch the person he was expected to have confirmed as civ by then.
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I still have questions regarding MWs playstyle. I get that he might struggle to understand his role and that he might have put in extra-effort into reading IW (or it simply seemed that way for once to me, as I was actually agreeing). What I don't get is why he repeatedly ignored advice for his role (even after claiming and having it explained in detail), stood out of the discussion for it, even though it was evident that not everyone involved was gunsmith so participating in it was by no means a giveaway and then voted to lynch the person he was expected to have confirmed as civ by then.
I played terrible this game. No denying that.
When it came to the plan around what gunsmith should do i was busy irl around that time. Also, what i kept seeing was "Gunsmith check me! I dont carry a weapon" which is super unhelpful, easily to imitate, and didnt prove anything. All i did was check people that i had no read on. Thats it.
I checked you because last game you were an innocent kid playing mafia for the first time. This game you were high and mighty as if you were a veteran mafia player... and its your second game.
I checked Link simply because he wasnt a confirmed town at the time and he was being very dodgy about questions and explaining himself.
If i am going to be super honest, if i got gunsmith again, i probably wouldnt play any differently, just be a bit more active.
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MasterWalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
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iancudorinmarian (1) - vagman13
Dont forget that I joined just to lynch you :P
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iancudorinmarian (2) - vagman13, worldwideweb3
Masterwalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
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iancudorinmarian (2) - vagman13, worldwideweb3, MasterWalks
Masterwalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
We're lynching MasterWalks 100%
Hah!
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I see the game hasn't ended and we still suspect people...
Let's vote.
iancudorinmarian (4) - vagman13, worldwideweb3, MasterWalks, Naii_the_Baf
Masterwalks (1) - iancudorinmarian
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iancudorinmarian was lynched. He was UB40, the Secret Mafia Mastermind.
His ability was to disguise as the actor of the latest Song of the Day.
With his death, the Dead-Civ pad (http://pad.elementscommunity.org/p/Graves_of_Silence_29985) got revealed. Along with something... deeper.
It is... a questionnaire! Can you also beat that thing?
Feel free to answer as many questions as you like, no need to fill out everything.
1. While there were not enough noise making roles in this game, did you like the noise concept in general? Would you like to see similar concepts in future games?
2. What did you think of some of the new roles? Were they good additions, and if not, how could they be changed?
3. I had a rough idea of giving dead players abilities to still interact with the game to a lesser degree (but usually not chat). Assuming you die early, would you like such an addition or rather stay out of the game entirely / just watch?
4. Are there any rules that are more harmful than beneficial? Especially, what is your stance on allowing the chat, assuming the blab mafia chat works?
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I liked this mafia. I would keep dead people out completely, and keep the same rules as this mafia for blab/chat stuff personally. Idk if it was too easy for town tho, if mafia don’t kill gunsmith or cop, we have a few confirmed civs already.
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1. A bit too much random noise that wasnt worth going for in the end, too little meaningfull as you said. But I like it in theory.
2. Musician/drug dealer seem kinda useless for town (and kinda in general) even if sound mattered more. i was hoping to get friendly neighbor :). I like gunsmith, its mere theoretical presence is a powerfull tool for town to softconfirm themselves without gunsmith actually needing to exist. In so far mw not actually checking those people was a galaxy brain strategy; note that it only works if mafia has to fear getting checked though. parascience was useless (EoR single target? really? haunt would at most be used once in the game), so was policeman.
If it counts, I dont like the current workings of haunt. It permanently removing roles from the game entirely and being boosted big time by drug dealer makes it way too swingy, especially if the real officer has to claim early.
Security guard is also pretty useless as town (although i would have loved to see the strategy that I was briefly paranoid about, where you block your own teammate to prevent gunsmith check).
3. That kinda means dead pad cannot exist or a specific role will not be invited too it, otherwise the fullbrain power of all the dead village will be combined (and mafia might slip).
4. I like chat.
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Noise currently leans too much to being an automatic scumread, rendering the mechanic useless.
Just making noise abilities stronger or abundant won't fix that, though: You have to deal with the fact that everyone can just agree to keep silent to prevent the use of nefarious mafia abilities.
If you were going to do this setup again, you need to make noise very obfuscated, both by drastically increasing the amount of noise made and by being silent much harder to do.
My personal solution would be to start by giving each role two abilities, one a stronger version of the other. If you use the stronger version, you make noise, and you have a limited number of uses on the silent ability.
Another option is to make all noise abilities "towny" in appearance - Instead of noise looking scummy, have it look towny, meaning people actively want to make noise, both to prove how towny they are and so it gives mafia a chance to "blend in".
If you removed the noise ability entirely, this would be a pretty decent ruleset on its own. Haunt preventing mass roleclaims is a great natural deterrant if it didn't make noise - I would have haunt require exactly two non-mafia roles in order to function, though.
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This game felt like a vanilla mafia. With the agreement of not using potentially harmful or noise-making roles, the following roles felt useless:
- Paranormal Scientist
- Policeman
- Drug Dealer
- Security Guard
- Musician
- Friendly Neighbour
- Mechanical Engineer
- Grave Robber: useless until a useful role dies, which rarely happens.
- Undertaker: with most roles being useless, this role rarely does anything useful.
With so many "vanilla" roles, we had the incentive to use reads more than roles, until of course the last phase. I did not find this a bad thing, but others may have.
I noticed how the game lacked the energy of the previous Mafias. Day 1 was sluggish to spark any discussion and even the dead pad was quiet throughout. I assume this was because of the lack of impactful roles, but it also could have been because of the burnout of Night 0, the thematic roleplay of
The Quiet City, the newness of Mafia wore off, the players had better things to do, or etc.
When the game started, I had a hidden agenda that failed from the get-go. This agenda was to draw in a Nightkill on me before the Officer dies to give more time for the Officer for his investigations. I went out the door immediately dishing out plans, encouraging activity, doing stuff that the Mafia wouldn't like. However, some people decided to WIFOM too hard into this, and this drew some scumreads on me. Sadly, the Mafia would never target anyone who Town considers to lynch, so this was immediately ruined. It also didn't help that Mafia seemed to actively hunt the Officer, which I had already claimed I couldn't be. At one point, I desperately tried to hint to the Mafia that I'm either the Undertaker or the Paranoid Doctor, - roles that might be useful enough that Mafia snipes them - but they ignored it.
With this result, I don't think I'll use this strategy again any time soon. It's also not really fun, as it requires a lot of effort, which becomes wasted if the strategy fails.
1. While there were not enough noise making roles in this game, did you like the noise concept in general? Would you like to see similar concepts in future games?
2. What did you think of some of the new roles? Were they good additions, and if not, how could they be changed?
3. I had a rough idea of giving dead players abilities to still interact with the game to a lesser degree (but usually not chat). Assuming you die early, would you like such an addition or rather stay out of the game entirely / just watch?
4. Are there any rules that are more harmful than beneficial? Especially, what is your stance on allowing the chat, assuming the blab mafia chat works?
1. This mechanic should be a tertiary thing rather than something primary or secondary. Having no more than 3 sound-based roles should be fine.
2. See my spoilers above. I think more roles should be added that are independently useful.
3. As long as it's a targeting mechanic instead of allowing the deads to communicate, and as long as it's perfectly balanced, I'm okay with it.
4. I have complaints about a few changes.
My biggest problem was that Limited Use (1U/2U) abilities were not refunded upon failure. It also bugs me that this is nowhere stated in the rules, only in a hard-to-find post (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/forum-games/elements-mafia-72-by-ginyu/msg1291406/#msg1291406). This is the opposite of how things have been, but Ginyu was acting like he's continuing a trend. Ginyu did not respond to my message when I said he's wrong about this, so I hope he addresses this before his next game.
The encryption rule did not draw a clear line, and when it almost did, the line was set too high. The problem is that breadcrumbing is allowed, but breadcrumbing is essentially encryption. The method of breadcrumbing can differ from horizontal, vertical and sporadic, but then grid breadcrumbing should be allowed too. What people wanted to be banned was hiding information with tools rather than text, but only some tools and not all (spoiler should be fine, even though it's also a tool that hides information. Table should also be fine, as it does not hide information).
"The Day will not end until both the timer has ended and 5 minutes have passed since the last vote. If any sort of endless voting loop occurs that affects the lynch, there will be No Lynch. The day will be ended at the host's discretion if there is any vote swapping trolling/juggling. In any way, 30 minutes past the regular deadline will always be final." - This is a mix between having a hammer and not having a hammer. Compared to this rule, I prefer an instant hammer right on the deadline.
I also didn't like that Security Guard lost the ability to learn the names of the blocked abilities, compared to Warden.
Interesting notes:
- Noone was mislynched. Only Nightkills and Modkills killed Town members.
- A No Lynch happened with zero Mafia involvement (and it was arguably the right choice).
- No sound was made.
- Noone's ability failed. (Even the Mafia warden knew not to block anyone.)