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Who played the best mafia?

iancudorinmarian
0 (0%)
Linkcat
9 (15.5%)
PlayerOa
0 (0%)
JonathanCrazyJ
0 (0%)
immortal_feud
0 (0%)
kaempfer13
9 (15.5%)
ddevans96
8 (13.8%)
dawn to dusk
0 (0%)
InsignificantWeeaboo
0 (0%)
Espithel
4 (6.9%)
MasterWalks
1 (1.7%)
Mobian
1 (1.7%)
mathman101
0 (0%)
RootRanger
6 (10.3%)
shockcannon
6 (10.3%)
Ginyu
9 (15.5%)
Calindu
5 (8.6%)
moehrpi
0 (0%)

Total Members Voted: 19

Voting closed: June 24, 2019, 11:12:55 am

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289680#msg1289680
« Reply #228 on: May 24, 2019, 12:22:16 pm »
Don't forget to post these, guys.

Spoiler for The rest of that chat discussion:
[17:25:54] ‹moehrpi› >.<
[17:26:02] ‹ddevans96› posting chat log, again
[17:26:06] ‹ddevans96› too much of this lol
[17:26:20] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› you underestimate me in everything
[17:26:34] ‹shockcannon› you're almost as funny as kaempf and ddevans
[17:26:59] ‹ddevans96› I know, I'm hilarious and charming
[17:27:02] ‹ddevans96› ty <3
[17:27:09] ‹shockcannon› btw
[17:27:13] ‹shockcannon› @Coffeeditto
[17:27:20] ‹Guest-Chrysaora-9ce35› link first reks ian now he reks sub
[17:27:20] ‹shockcannon› you're lucky af I got lynched day 2
[17:27:28] ‹shockcannon› I was planning to eat you from n0
[17:27:37] ‹shockcannon› you really gave yourself away as mafia on day 1 though
[17:28:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Always this post.
[17:28:55] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› he wasnt even mafia
[17:29:00] ‹kaempfer13› noone ever mentions my involvement when posting chatlog :D
[17:29:02] ‹MasterWalks› oh wait
[17:29:04] ‹MasterWalks› yea he was
[17:29:13] ‹MasterWalks› mb, i was thinking root
[17:29:15] ‹ddevans96› you initiated the conversation about me, tbf
[17:31:02] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› You gained so much info last game because you homie hopped everyone in PM's. Cant do that this round. I honestly dont think you will be able to come up with info by day 3 that we wouldnt already know. You could prove me wrong tho so we will see.
[17:31:46] ‹shockcannon› PMs were just to get people to talk
[17:31:58] ‹shockcannon› this game, everyone's already doing that because of increased player count
[17:32:05] ‹shockcannon› there's no need for PMs
[17:32:12] ‹kaempfer13› ok, perhaps my strategy of removing the people who seem to unwittingly help mafia isnt perfect
[17:32:32] ‹ddevans96› why use PMs to get people to talk when you can alternate between every technique in the book like I tried :silly:
[17:32:38] ‹Linkcat› Yeah, you never lynch someone you think is town.
[17:32:45] ‹ddevans96› (gotta give you credit, shock, you stick to your guns)
[17:32:48] ‹Linkcat› Always lynch who you think is mafia.
[17:33:32] ‹kaempfer13› but without nafialeads to go by i go for the nextbest thing
[17:34:15] ‹ddevans96› I'd rather lynch for information before lynching for rogue behavior
[17:34:20] ‹ddevans96› merits to both, that's just me
[17:35:07] ‹kaempfer13› and unless mw truly is gn i dont really see espi kill giveaway much either
[17:35:22] ‹shockcannon› ‹@MasterWalks› i'll say this only once
[17:35:27] ‹shockcannon› don't let mafia play you this game
[17:35:36] ‹kaempfer13› so what exactly happens when we lynch espi and heÜs town?
[17:35:38] ‹ddevans96› hm, I don't agree
[17:35:47] ‹ddevans96› I think MW being GN gives us the least information long term
[17:36:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Less reading. More doing.
[17:36:13] ‹ddevans96› statistically, he probably is town. we don't have a better option, in that sense
[17:36:19] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› i learned my lesson last game
[17:36:42] ‹ddevans96› Espi was involved in, in my eyes, the first major event of the game - MW's vote on him
[17:36:54] ‹ddevans96› things like that start a chain reaction of interactions
[17:37:30] ‹kaempfer13› hm, but all of the reactions so far just directly go back to that vote
[17:37:36] ‹ddevans96› do they?
[17:37:46] ‹Coffeeditto› ‹@shockcannon› oh ok
[17:38:01] ‹Espithel› The first major event of the game was me owoing
[17:38:01] ‹kaempfer13› well linkcat doesnt like uwu
[17:38:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Linkcat in Forum Games. Can you find Waldo?
[17:38:08] ‹Espithel› If I didn't you'd be lynching mk
[17:38:10] ‹Espithel› :^)
[17:38:10] ‹ddevans96› you can learn a lot from voting patterns
[17:38:27] ‹MasterWalks› I think insig can vouch that i dont like uwu either
[17:38:41] ‹shockcannon› want my two cents
[17:38:48] ‹ddevans96› and there were some offshoots of that conversation that were pretty interesting
[17:38:52] ‹ddevans96› it all ties together in the end
[17:38:56] ‹ddevans96› just a matter of figuring it out in time
[17:40:33] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@shockcannon› whats your two cents. enlighten us
[17:41:34] ‹shockcannon› my two cents
[17:41:40] ‹shockcannon› MW and esp are both town
[17:41:47] ‹shockcannon› but it really doesn't matter if we lynch either of them or not
[17:41:59] ‹Espithel› So, daddy shock
[17:42:00] ‹Espithel› owo
[17:42:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Good to the last word.
[17:42:03] ‹Espithel› who should we lynch?
[17:42:05] ‹ddevans96› they are probably both town, yes
[17:42:38] ‹shockcannon› fine
[17:42:39] ‹ddevans96› we already established that like two chat logs ago
[17:43:09] ‹shockcannon› i'll do something I really shouldn't do
[17:43:21] ‹shockcannon› before this day ends
[17:43:30] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› oh yeah, forgot to mention that I'm mafia
[17:43:35] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› everyone lynch me
[17:43:36] ‹shockcannon› i'll put an actual vote on something I think is pretty definitely mafia
[17:43:42] ‹shockcannon› *someone
[17:43:47] ‹shockcannon› feel free to join suit if you want
[17:43:50] ‹Linkcat› Oh, thanks Insig.
[17:44:01] ‹Linkcat› Can't believe you almost forgot.
[17:44:02] ‹ddevans96› hm, okay, fair play
[17:44:09] ‹InsignificantWeeaboo› No problem
[17:44:33] ‹MasterWalks› insig would be a terrible phoenix so dont lynch him
[17:44:50] ‹ddevans96› btw - timer is on pg10
[17:52:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from InsignificantWeeaboo in Forum Games. Check it out!
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[17:59:24] ‹shockcannon› "I don't like Shock. That's not a scumread."
[17:59:29] ‹shockcannon› Espithel the tsundere
[17:59:31] ‹shockcannon› 0w0
[17:59:58] ‹shockcannon› vote me kiddo
[17:59:59] ‹shockcannon› you won't
[18:00:02] ‹Espithel› BAKA!
[18:00:12] ‹Espithel› Mate, if you want me to vote for you, I will
[18:00:34] ‹shockcannon› you only vote off feelings anyways
[18:00:35] ‹shockcannon› do it
[18:00:38] ‹shockcannon› you don't have the guts
[18:00:42] ‹Espithel› K
[18:00:55] ‹Espithel› I know you're trying to manipulate me into something. I'll take it.
[18:01:30] ‹shockcannon› nah this is for my own personal enjoyment
[18:01:40] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Shockcannon the Justaburd reincarnation
[18:01:45] ‹MasterWalks› Hey Linkcat. Is it still a thing to keep posting to extend a deadline?
[18:01:52] ‹Espithel› I enjoy being manipulated and abused
[18:02:00] ‹Linkcat› I never got to play with justa.
[18:02:02] ‹Espithel› For the enjoyment of others
[18:02:03] ‹Linkcat› Yes.
[18:02:16] ‹MasterWalks› So can phoenix do that after they die?
[18:02:30] ‹Linkcat› Only votes extend.
[18:02:44] ‹MasterWalks› ohhhh that makes more sense
[18:02:47] ‹MasterWalks› thnks
[18:04:01] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I did, but I was new and didn't know any better
[18:04:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from Espithel in Forum Games. Oh, what a read!
[18:04:05] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Hey you know what would be fun
[18:05:22] ‹shockcannon› if i shared coffeeditto's primary role?
[18:05:54] ‹ddevans96› it's either false god or elemental
[18:05:57] ‹ddevans96› easy
[18:06:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from dawn to dusk in Forum Games. It feels like I'm stuck in a loop...
[18:08:04] ‹Linkcat› Which one though?
[18:08:09] ‹Linkcat› I would like to know.
[18:08:14] ‹Espithel› You forgot the third possibility.
[18:08:16] ‹Espithel› Sub's bastard.
[18:08:46] ‹ddevans96› I mean, true, that is a possibility
[18:08:50] ‹shockcannon› oh shizzle
[18:08:58] ‹shockcannon› i missed maybe the most important post so far
[18:09:00] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm down for a bastard mafia
[18:09:00] ‹moehrpi› ‹@shockcannon› Save it for day 3.
[18:09:06] ‹shockcannon› I can't believe I never read that
[18:09:20] ‹shockcannon› looks like 4 relevant posts now
[18:09:36] ‹ddevans96› which one?
[18:09:45] ‹shockcannon› going to have to reevaulate some stuff now
[18:09:53] ‹shockcannon› not telling
[18:10:05] ‹ddevans96› you told us the first three, what makes this one so special?
[18:10:18] ‹MasterWalks› It has to be d2d's post rolerevealing as phoenix or vulture
[18:10:37] ‹MasterWalks› ‹@ddevans96› what were the first 3?
[18:11:14] ‹ddevans96› iancu's vote on dawn, your statement that you used an ability, and his post claiming Flayer
[18:11:26] ‹ddevans96› (which he has since basically said is a fakeclaim)
[18:12:01] ‹MasterWalks› shock needs to reevaluate this whole thing if he thinks any of those hold some secret meaning
[18:12:01] ‹shockcannon› i never said it was a fakeclaim
[18:12:03] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› na dude I'm a bird lol
[18:12:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Chirp chirrup
[18:12:32] ‹MasterWalks› right. So is a Phoenix and a Vulture
[18:12:54] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Also yo ian voted for me I gotta catch up
[18:13:06] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@MasterWalks› Na a Phoenix is a Phoenix and a Vulture is a Vulture
[18:13:10] ‹shockcannon› chirp is def fate egg you noob
[18:13:13] ‹dawn_to_dusk› I'm a bird
[18:14:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. It's okay, I guess.
[18:20:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from ddevans96 in Forum Games. Be sure to give them a raise!
[18:20:40] ‹moehrpi› I expect two unmasked mafia when I come back. Goodnight!
[18:20:48] ‹moehrpi› toodeloo
[18:20:49] ‹Espithel› We'll try!
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289681#msg1289681
« Reply #229 on: May 24, 2019, 12:26:00 pm »
no context: shock will lose.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289683#msg1289683
« Reply #230 on: May 24, 2019, 01:25:20 pm »
Okay, lets add it up:

Espithel vs. MasterWalks was basically a claim with no real evidence, mostly to provoke a statement. However, as there was nothing really in the first place, Espi couldn't really defend himself. In the meantime, MW claims he knows more, which could be a good first lead even if he is lying.

Now, the problem is (from what I read) bussing getting rather popular, so even if Espi is mafia, we cannot really trust MW still. We wouldn't gain any real information, but a dead mafia. Great outcome. However, if Espi is town, we have a dead town and MW looks shady, so some information at least. As MW is on the lynch train as well, claiming to know more might also simply be a lie to defend himself. Also, checking through the ability list, I cannot really see any ability except for Golden Nymph that could give him even a tiny lead after just one night. As we agreed for Golden Nymph to not come out too early, I highly doubt he is one, or he isn't following our concept, or he is an aggressive mafia - all of which does not help us.

If there is any additional information in the chatlogs, please post them, because I couldn't bother reading through such an amount of text (I read the entire topic, however). I will hold my vote back in the meantime to cover burrowed players, which I think is a good idea. I am overall leaning to kill either Espi or MW though.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289684#msg1289684
« Reply #231 on: May 24, 2019, 02:34:48 pm »
Spoiler for chat:
[05:11:36] immortal_feud joined.
[05:11:39] ‹immortal_feud› someone help me
[05:11:47] ‹immortal_feud› whats the next deadlinefor mafia
[05:12:01] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from immortal feud in Forum Games. Save this for bedtime reading.
[05:12:03] ‹Linkcat› About 30 hours.
[05:12:07] ‹Linkcat› It's on page 10.
[05:13:09] ‹immortal_feud› hmm
[05:13:20] ‹immortal_feud› w/o giving away my role
[05:13:27] ‹immortal_feud› which i also dont know
[05:13:40] ‹immortal_feud› what do i need to have done in 30 hrs time?
[05:15:06] ‹immortal_feud› it has been a busy week for me
[05:15:26] ‹immortal_feud› next week is also busy asf but then i canput more time into stuff
[05:17:12] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@immortal_feud› Decide if you want to vote for any of the people who are currently getting voted for
[05:17:25] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Or you could also not vote and protect Graboid
[05:17:50] ‹immortal_feud› wait what role do people think i am?
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[05:21:08] ‹dawn_to_dusk› ‹@immortal_feud› Afaik? They don
[05:21:14] ‹dawn_to_dusk› 't
[05:21:28] ‹dawn_to_dusk› But if you haven't voted, neither have 5 other people
[05:21:32] ‹immortal_feud› ok nice that makes all of us
[05:21:45] ‹immortal_feud› will sort it out tomorrow
[05:21:49] ‹dawn_to_dusk› If everyone votes, then everyone knows who the Graboid is because Graboid can't vote
[05:22:18] ‹immortal_feud› oh? no not voting if you can vote is kina a tactic
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[05:25:15] ‹dawn_to_dusk› Yeah it can be
[05:25:46] ‹Linkcat› I would recommend you vote for whoever you think is mafia.
[05:26:02] ‹AveragePotato› The latest forum post is Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine from immortal feud in Forum Games. Post of the day, for sure.
[05:26:08] ‹Linkcat› Especially if that happens to be the same person that I think is mafia.
[05:26:17] ‹Linkcat› Which I should probably figure out now.
[05:26:28] ‹Linkcat› But it's 5:30 AM and I want to sleep.

Now that I've finally had a chance to take a closer look at the thread, we've reached that part of Day 1 where I stop voting randomly and find an actual scumread. There's more stuff worth responding to, but these are the most important.  Here we go.

First off, the idea that "town agreed to not roleblock" is silly. A majority advised against it, a minority was in favor of it, but these are just individual opinions, not a democratic vote or a binding contract. Each player makes their own decisions about when and how to use their role.

Always lynch Day 1.

Espi bringing up /who is obviously just taking something meta that was not known to everyone and making it known to everyone. This is always good for the game and you can't really read him one way or the other for it.

I disagree that lynching one of Espi/MW will give us any information. Espi always does weird shit as town or mafia so lynching him won't give us anything useful. MW thought that something weird that Espi did was weird and got on his case. He seems pretty town to me, and lynching him will just confirm that he was a town that pushed on something weird. Not really valuable information. I don't see why dd even calls this a feud, since Espi hasn't even given a proper response to MW.

Shock is intentionally being even more inflammatory than normal, like with his obvious lie about being Flayer, and is probably town again. I would expect a different style of chaotic play from him as mafia.

Revealing when you're the leading lynch at EOD is almost always good if you have information to share.

I really don't like the way dd focused the thread on Espi/MW. Instead of putting down a vote like normal, he frames it as an option between two people, which makes it fairly likely that one of those two options will be lynched at the end of the day, especially when one of them is Espi, who has always been easy to lynch. As mafia, this is a great strategy for controlling the lynch and making sure it lands on a town, since it's easy for a mafia to get lynched on Day 1 with all the random votes. And since he's only doing this for "information", he won't even get a bad look for it. Right now this is where I want to lynch.

Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
InsignificantWeeaboo (1) - InsignificantWeeaboo
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (1) - Linkcat

Other people that jump out to me are Coffee for being quiet, kaempfer for not playing how I expected him to, and Root for giving me weird vibes.

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289685#msg1289685
« Reply #232 on: May 24, 2019, 02:40:26 pm »
Espithel (2) - MasterWalks, ddevans96
MasterWalks (2) - kaempfer13, JonathanCrazyJ
dawn to dusk (2) - iancudorinmarian, mathman101
JonathanCrazyJ (2) - moehrpi, RootRanger
shockcannon (2) - Calindu, Espithel
iancudorinmarian (1) - shockcannon
ddevans96 (2) - Linkcat, InsignificantWeeaboo

Now that I look at it, it does seem weird how dd emphasizes Espi and MW as the only options for lynching...
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289686#msg1289686
« Reply #233 on: May 24, 2019, 03:04:34 pm »
I still really don't think lynching shock is the play this round. My choice is still Espi, but I would rather change my vote to MW or jcj if someone else joined me than lynch shock.

The question I now ask myself is: how useful/irrelevant is shock for town, one who does not necessarily conform to town strategies.

Above quote shows dd apparently is fine with lynching JCJ, instead of focussing on Espi/MW, but then again I don't see the benefit of that. It does not provide anything better than lynching shock?! It might be a bit scummy.

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289687#msg1289687
« Reply #234 on: May 24, 2019, 03:09:02 pm »
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I still really don't think lynching shock is the play this round. My choice is still Espi, but I would rather change my vote to MW or jcj if someone else joined me than lynch shock.

The question I now ask myself is: how useful/irrelevant is shock for mafia, one who does not necessarily conform to town strategies.

Above quote shows dd apparently is fine with lynching JCJ, instead of focussing on Espi/MW, but then again I don't see the benefit of that. It does not provide anything better than lynching shock?! It might be a bit scummy.

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289689#msg1289689
« Reply #235 on: May 24, 2019, 03:53:28 pm »
I was doing some random reflections and thoughts just for fun and I thought about what would happen if I were golden nymph. Obviously I wouldn't follow expectations of laying low and hiding in the shadows hoping not to get randomly caught. But I would also know that my unexpected play is the expected play in the eyes of the mafia. Yet, they would expect that play to deviate slightly if I were GN. But if I could mimic my "normal," non-GN townie, crazy playstyle, what would happen? Maybe it would look like me throwing out an early role claim even though that was specifically advised against. Maybe that would look like me coming close to bursting out but holding it in enough as to not completely die. Maybe that would look like me getting enough town suspicion that mafia would never even think to kill me because I "unwittingly help mafia" and I am "chaotic" and I offer nothing of value to the town. Maybe I would even throw out a :time mark at the end of one of my posts early on in the game seemingly as a joke after what happened in mafia 70 but as a way for town to catch on to me, because only shock would actually be stupid enough to post a :time mark and really mean it. Maybe I would even reveal the inner workings behind my ideas and strategies because that's the same way I mindgate in elements the game and it's never failed before?

I had another thought. What would I do if I wanted to help protect the person I knew was golden nymph? Would I pretend to be golden nymph to make mafia waste precious resources on someone who might have the most useless role in the game? How would I get mafia to actually believe me and waste time killing me? How would I do all this without getting lynched, because then mafia wouldn't have to waste any resources on me?

Anyways, all just fun thought experiments. Was I planning to share this from the start? Uh, obviously not. I speed-built this post.

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289690#msg1289690
« Reply #236 on: May 24, 2019, 04:57:20 pm »
I don't have any reads atm, but I firmly believe we shouldn't "no lynch".

Also, 48 hours night phases is super lame.

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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289693#msg1289693
« Reply #237 on: May 24, 2019, 05:53:42 pm »
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Can you elaborate on this? You seem to imply that there's no chance I can be the golden nymph.
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The odds of you being GN are the same 1-in-19 as they are for anyone else.

The odds of MW being GN are a lot higher because he made a fairly bold claim of someone being scummy. It could be that this is just a decoy breadcrumb that he's putting too much effort into justifying, or he's reading too much into insignificant details, but otherwise it means he's GN and has found a mafia. I think that option is fairly plausible.

So, between you and MW (again, this is still a dichotomy I disagree with), I think you're the better lynch candidate.
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289694#msg1289694
« Reply #238 on: May 24, 2019, 05:54:15 pm »
Oof, posting from my phone and messed up the quote rip
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Re: Elements Mafia 71 - by Submachine https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=67178.msg1289698#msg1289698
« Reply #239 on: May 24, 2019, 06:13:54 pm »

Other people that jump out to me are Coffee for being quiet, kaempfer for not playing how I expected him to, and Root for giving me weird vibes.


Could you elaborate on this a bit? To me, kaempfer is acting like his normal self.
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